Author Topic: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)  (Read 48347 times)

Quantum

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« on: August 07, 2016, 08:11:36 PM »
This thread is intended the be a work in progress, with progressive updating of the chart.

SEE THE COMPLETE POIS TYPES CHART IN THE POST JUST AFTER THIS ONE , at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448

 ( following is an intro to the chart itself)

POIS is not exactly the same for every POIS sufferers, and it is clearer now that POIS is a group of similar syndromes having a common trigger ( ejaculation), a common pattern, but may cause different physiological events, thus different symptoms, even if similar, from one POIS sufferer to another .  As a sign that POIS is not fully identical in every case, something helping one POISer can worsen the symptoms of another, or have no effect at all, pointing clearly to the fact that POIS is not a unique and identical syndrome in all sufferers.  Niacin can help one, and have no effects for another.  Like in diabetes, where you have Type I and Type II, it seems to me that there is more than just one type of POIS.

Since one of the best kind of information obtained from the forum is from members who have found something efficient for the relief of their symptoms, then I have chosen to base my POIS types on relief method.  The rational behind this choice is that if two POIS sufferers get consistent relief for a long enough period of time from the same method or product, then at the physiological level, chances are their POIS are similar, even if their symptoms are not exactly the same.  If two members that are both relieved by niacin, chances are they have the same type of POIS.  Methods have to be effective for at least some months, and bring 70% to 100% relief, to be included in my chart.

From there, I hope to detect some patterns, so it would become possible, for example, to make some predictions, like if one has this kind of symptoms and his POIS is worsen by so and so, than this type of relief method could be efficient for him.  I know this will take time to reach this, and will never be 100% accurate, but I sure want to give a shot at it. 

Each type is named after the method or product that brought the relief ( Example: POIS type responding to niacin, meaning that this type of POIS is relieved when using the niacin protocol detialed in that section).  For each type, I hope to identify some possible mechanism about how it brings relief, identify some reference members ( at least one, of course !), level of relief obtained, and so on.  Than,  if there is more than one known member for a particular POIS type, it will be interesting to try and see what they have specifically in common, like things that worsen their POIS, or their type of symptoms.  Needless to say this will be a long process.

I know there will be numerous types of POIS at the start, but some may reveal later to be the same type and be fused.

All input from all members will be welcomed.  For example, if you think you are a member of a type and wish to be listed as reference member, and add useful comments for that type, that go ahead.  But this will imply that you had at least 2 to 3 months of consistent relief with the specific substance or method.  If you find some common points with some other members of your type, something that is not common to all POISers, than that would be very, very interesting, and could become a predictive factor.  For example, if members of a particular type have their symptoms worsen by a hot shower, and not the other types of POIS, that would be a specific parameter.  I can make up some hypothesis here, to illustrate the potential usefulness of the chart:  if all POISers who have their symptoms worsen by a hot shower have no relief with, let's say, niacin, and have relief with let's say, magnesium ( I made that up), than a new member having his symptoms worsen by a hot shower could think he is of this same type, and try magnesium ( after checking with a health professional, as usual).  This will be no guarantee, but with time, this chart may become useful.

Of course, if you do not want to be listed as a reference member for a type of POIS, let me know by PM and I will remove your member name of the chart.

If you want another type to be added, let me know as well.

I will post the current version of the chart just after this post, and will update on that same post, rather than re-posting multiple versions of the chart.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2020, 07:16:08 PM by Quantum »
You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

Quantum

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2016, 08:22:31 PM »
POIS Types Chart

Pois types in this chart are named and classified according to the treatment or method they are positively responding to.   If symptoms of two different members are relieved by the same method or treatment, they are considered, in this chart, to have the same POIS type.

1- POIS type: Responding to treatment with Niacin
Reference member(s)   Daveman, Limejuice, Observer, Poisperson, Bluesbrother, victor.kons,...
Relief method description: Niacin taken on empty stomach, waiting for the flush to happen before ejaculation.  Usually doses from 100mg to 300mg, but varies. 
Effect on severity and duration of POIS: 50% to 90%
Possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly):   brain fog (difficulty thinking and slow response time), impaired memory, headache, physical fatigue (low energy level), runny nose, insomnia, stiffness and pain in muscles and joints
POIS worsen by: hot showers, starches and simple carbs, long sleeping time, active physical training,  Any ingestion, food, alcohol, anything but water, closer than 8 hours from orgasm, multivitamins daily (cancelling the niacin effect). smoking marijuana before O.  (all these not confirmed by all ref. members, but by one at least ).
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information: Some members had success with non-flush type ( niacinamide).  Also used: Xantinol Nicotinate in tablets 450 mg. 


2 - POIS type: Responding to TRT
Reference member(s)   Demografx, Green
relief method description   Testosterone Replacement Therapy  ( warning, needs medical supervision)
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 70% to 90%
possible reason for effectiveness:  TRT possibly offsets severe drop in testosterone [depletion?]
POIS symptoms ( mainly): after ejaculation/at POIS onset.severe fatigue: emotional, physical, cognitive -- plus, all 10 fingertips dry up, feel like they're "burning", yet simultaneously "drained", and there persists a strange sensation/high anxiety about this weird short-term (4 days) dermatitis condition -- resulting in much inexplicable psychic pain/anguish ( Demo).
POIS worsen by: hot showers ( to confirmed with other members of this POIS type)
No relief with : progesterone
Other comments and information: TRT can cause infertility, killing sperm; major family planning implications. Medical supervision - especially for young POISers - is critical.

Alternate, personalized, regimen ( member: Green):
Testosterone 83mg per week
Fexafenodine on the day of orgasm
Paroxitine daily (20mg - 40mg)
Tramadol  4 caps (50mg)
Niacin 1000mg an hour prior to sex/O


3 - POIS type: Responding to fenugreek and garlic
Reference member(s) Vincent M, hurray, Vanker, Observer, others...
relief method description: fenugreek, one or two 550mg capsules just before or just after ejaculation, garlic daily (?). Some take Fenugreek on a daliy basis.  Some take Fenugreek with tea rather than with garlic.
effect on severity and duration of POIS: up to 90% in some cases
possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): very dry skin and straw hair seems to be more common in this group than others.  Brain fog seems severe,in general , in this group, and social anxiety too.
POIS worsen by: hot showers ? ( to be confirmed)
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information: this method has been developed some years ago ( 2011 and before) , so not much current members talking about it currently.  Also, it is possible that this type is similar to the Mytelase/Lecithin type, because fenugreek is a good source of choline, and some members having relief with fenugreek ( ex: hurray) have also their symptoms worsen by hot shower.   Also, fenugreek seems to be useful even if taken way after ejaculation, like 2 days after ( still provides some relief).


4 - POIS type: Responding to cholinergic supplements/drugs
Reference member(s) POISse, Outsider, Floppy Banana , ( For eggs:  Bulbo), ThisType
relief method description: for Floppy Banana, Outsider :  Mytelase ( 20mg) and lecithine, just before or after orgasm ( warning: taking Mytelase needs medical supervision), or Lecithine/choline/eggs intake before and during POIS.  Also, see ThisType regimen at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2486.msg22620#msg22620 ( no Mytelase)
effect on severity and duration of POIS: up to 90% relief
possible reason for effectiveness: In this POIS type, main physiological effect would be a cholinergic deficit, corrected by cholinergic agents like Mytelase, or sources of choline like lecithin, choline itself, eggs, fenugreek, or else.
POIS symptoms ( mainly): fatigue, brain fog, insomnia, cognitive problems, speech problems
POIS worsen by: Hot showers ( confirmed by 3 members), and, depending of members: sports (increased insomnia, fatigue, brain-fog - POIse), milk and wheat products (POISse)
No relief with : claritin, zyrtec, niacin, fenugreek ( POISse)
Other comments and information: Could be included in this type the relief obtained in the long term by eating eggs daily, if we consider eggs as a good source of lecithin ( reference member: Bulbo).  Also, there is a possible link between this type and the fenugreek type, because fenugreek is a good source of choline. 


5 - POIS type: Responding to Taurine
Reference member(s) b_jim
relief method description: 600mg taurine each day ( and no sugar in diet )
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 90% relief on severity, duration reduced to 1/3 or less of usual duration ( if no sugar in diet)
possible reason for effectiveness: possible correction of a Gaba or Dopamine imbalance ?  Support of taurine hepatic detoxification pathway ?
POIS symptoms ( mainly): brain fog, muscle weakness, muscle twitching, fatigue, ...
POIS worsen by: refined sugar ( increased duration and severity)
No relief with : B3 (niacin), garlic, fenugreek, olive oil, gluten free diet, anti-histaminics
Other comments and information: associated with skinny type, general anxiety, premature ejaculation, bad alcohol resistance, sluggish liver.   
Note: for pattern detection, more than one reference member would be needed


6 - POIS type name: Responding to pre-pack with  IDO/TDO/NMDAr blockers+ anti-oxidants
Reference member(s) Quantum, G-man, romies, fsol, Michael218
relief method description: pre-pack taken 20 to 75 minutes before ejaculation, composed of IDO and TDO inhibitors  ( Rosemary extract, peppered curcuma, quercetin ) , NMDAr blockers ( L-theanine, magnesium), Antioxydants ( lycopene, green tea extract, flaxseed oil), and some others ( for complete description of the pre-pack and the dosage of each element in it, see in this thread: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.msg16604#msg16604 ).  Some members have customized their pre-pack and have a different composition  ( Michael218 pre-pack based on Complex-B vitamins and other components like antioxidants such as Vit C and E, see at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg21433#msg21433 and http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg21438#msg21438  for complete composition of his pre-pack )
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 80% to 100% relief
possible reason for effectiveness: block of kynurenine production, and block of pro-inflammatory cytokines
POIS symptoms ( mainly): Fatigue, hypotension and exercise intolerance, marked emotional symptoms - irritability, anxiety, mood swings, ... (Quantum). Brain fog, fatigue, physical and emotional symptoms ( romies, fsol), Physical and cognitive symptoms ( G-man) 
POIS worsen by: too much exercise/sports before or after ejaculation ( Quantum, romies ) ;   caffeine crash after effect ends (fsol); refined sugars in diet/unhealthy diet
No relief with : level of relief not high enough if only some elements of the pack taken and not the whole.
Other comments and information: No worsening with hot showers; recovery after sport or physical training is longer than normal, regardless of POIS or any sexual activity, and seems to trigger symptoms similar to POIS but milder and for a shorter duration ( Quantum, romies, fsol )
more detailed information about this method at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.msg16604#msg16604 
simplified pre-pack with post-pack ( romies):  http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.msg19833#msg19833


7 - POIS type : Responding to gluten-free diet  ( and other diets)
Reference member(s) Going less crazy, jacksonsean, Vincent M  (wheat-free diet), bbd2501 ( AIP diet ), bletzer ( AIP diet ) mike_sweden ( paleo), BuckarooBanzai88 ( gluten-free and nightshades-free diet )
relief method description: strict gluten free diet, dairy also avoided for GoingLessCrazy (
jacksonsean still have non-pasteurized dairies), or AIP diet
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 80% and more relief
possible reason for effectiveness: reduce inflammatory reaction in the body due to food intolerance (?)
POIS symptoms ( mainly): Brain fog, fatigue, irritability, redness in the eyes,inability to communicate effectively or to concentrate ( presence of bloating in the bowels is more present in this type than other types of POIS )
POIS worsen by: anything with gluten in it ( or simply any grain, for GoingLessCrazy), additives like Carrageenan , eggs, dairies, or else, depending on the diet.
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information:For more info about the complete Going Less Crazy method and food list, see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2275.msg18450#msg18450  ;   for more info about complete jacksonsean method: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1240.msg11486#msg11486.  About bbd2501 diet: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2275.msg21620#msg21620 ; For more info on BuckarooBenzai88 diet: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2805.msg26099#msg26099 and https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2805.msg25371#msg25371 .



8 - POIS type: Responding to antihistamines
Reference member(s) Happy2, Certainlypois2, Nico, Wolf, eccentricbipois
relief method description: Zyrtec ( cetirizine) 10mg daily ( 6 pm), and Benadryl ( diphenydramine)  just before or just after ejaculation ( 2 x 25mg ). Two other Benadryl 25mg capsules if another ejaculation later the same day   Alternate method: Claritin ( 10mg of loratadine) daily, and Benadryl ( diphenydramine)  just before or just after ejaculation ( member happy2 notes that Zyrtec/Benadryl combo far more effective for him than Claritin/Benadryl combo).  For eccentricbipois :  25mg of hydroxyzine, 30 mins to 1 hour before orgasm, just before going to sleep.
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 70% to 100% , but possible drowsiness/hangover from Benadryl/diphenhydramine or hydroxyzine the following day
possible reason for effectiveness: Blocks the effects of a massive histamine release ? Neurological effects in the brain, like brain fog, caused by histamine ?
POIS symptoms ( mainly): brain fog, fatigue, concentration/attention occasional symptoms; flu like symptoms, burning sensation in lower back, physical fatigue, insomnia, bad mood, isolation from other people, depression
POIS worsen by: coming down from caffeine high ( would need confirmation by more than one member), mental or physical exertion on first days of POIS ( POIS symptoms will last a few more days), carbohydrates/sugars ( Happy2)
No relief with : Niacin, L-Tyrosine, Zinc, Acupuncture (eccentribipois)
Other comments and information: more info on antihistamines use in POIS at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1060.msg9574#msg9574.
For eccentricbipois use of hydrozyzine, see https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3317

9- POIS type: Responding to methylation support and diet
Reference member(s) Kurtosis, nanna1, CuriousCharacter
relief method description: use of methylation support supplement, and healthy diet ( lots of fruits and veggies, and so on)
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 100% relief
possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): data to be added
POIS worsen by: data to be added
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information: Member Kurtosis no longer active on the forum
Note: for pattern detection, more than one reference member would be needed.
for nanna1 method see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2502.msg21497#msg21497 .  For CuriousCharacter daily stack and pre-pack descriptions, see https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2831.msg27282#msg27282 ( a modified version is also described later in the thread.  Note:  note clear if diet changes are part of his method ) 



10 - POIS type: Responding to Beta-blockers/ Propranolol
Reference member(s) Arun
relief method description: 10mg of propranolol just before or after ejaculation (warning, taking this medication needs medical supervision)
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 75% relief
possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): Faster and stronger heartbeat, muscles stiffness and pain, and others
POIS worsen by:   Niacin, Antihisthamines, sometimes made POIS worse  ( pattern to be confirmed with other members)
No relief with : Niacin, Garlic, fenugreek, Antihistamines ) Saw Palmetto, Relora
Other comments and information: data to be added
Note: for pattern detection, more than one reference member would be needed



11- POIS: Responding to NSAID ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs)
Reference member(s) Dirkstar, Suppertime, and other members
Relief method description: 400-800mg Ibuprofen 20 minutes before significant arousal (much earlier if not on an empty stomach).  Suppertime protocol:  400mf of Ibuprofen just after orgasm, with lots of water ( see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2358.msg19679#msg19679 )
Effect on severity and duration of POIS: 80-90% on severity, unclear effect on duration
Possible reason for effectiveness: Decreased synthesis of prostaglandins by prostate which bind to spinal neurons causing hypersensitivity and non-focal CNS stress ( hypothesis of prostaglandins production by prostate irritating spinal nerves comes from the neurologist who prescribed the NSAIDs to Dirkstar ).  COX inhibition in the whole body, as an alternative explanation.
POIS symptoms ( mainly): Severe brain fog including short and long term amnesia, slurring of speech, hypersensitivity particularly to sound, thrumming of middle ear muscles, headache, nausea, head "stuffiiness", fatigue, light sleep, sleeplessness, vivid dreams, scalp pimples w/in one day of orgasm then disappearing, crawling sensations on scalp and face; onset noticed w/in 30 minutes of orgasm or limited ejaculation near orgasm (though to a lesser degree), gradual increases in severity over 3 days then gradually disappears over next 5-7 days
POIS worsen by: Effects are cumulative with each ejaculation, intensity of orgasms
No relief with :  Antihistamines, Niacin (need to revisit), B-12, Vitamin C, multi-vitamins, Tylenol before orgasm, good diet, exercise, alcohol
Other comments and information: Tylenol helps with hypersensitivity and sleep if taken before bedtime; Dirkstar also has developed early onset Parkinson's Disease possibly secondary to POIS via excitotoxicity of dopaminergic neurons; Dirkstar also had (self-diagnosed) hypoglycemia when younger and possibly lessened with fitness when older possibly contributing to excitotoxicity aspect of PD; Coffee might decrease duration of symptoms (but may have further stressed CNS leading to PD); May be related to hypersexuality and/or lengthy periods of arousal (intense dopaminergic stress); Dirkstar also seems to be prone to inflammatory disorders such as tendonitis, bursitis, and sinusitis; Dirkstar also has non-pattern hair loss since 15 yrs old implying a hormonal or auto-immune problem linked to puberty/sexual activity; Dirkstar diagnosed with restless legs syndrome which seems to correlate with POIS symptoms

_

12 - POIS type: Responding to psychotherapy/sex therapy
Reference member(s) carmack97
Relief method description: 1 year and a half of consulting a sexologist ( see more details at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2627.msg23025#msg23025 )
Effect on severity and duration of POIS: 100% relief
Possible reason for effectiveness: strong psycho-somatic cause / psychologic blockage have been treated/re-programmed
POIS symptoms ( mainly): lasted 4 days every times: depression (feeling low, people hating me, feeling like having no friends, loosing interest in life, low self esteem, suicidal fought), fatigue (especially on the first 3 days , feeling tired during the afternoon usually), brain fog, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, increased shyness
POIS worsen by: data to be added
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information: data to be added


--
13 - POIS type: Responding to CBD oil  ( Cannabidiol hemp oil)
Reference member(s) : Vandemolen, Olaf
Relief method description: purified 20% cbd oil. Started with 1 drop before going to sleep. The next morning 1 drop and at night 1 drop. The next morning 2 drops and the at night 2 drops. The cbd oil worked after 2 weeks.  For Olaf, 2 drops of 5% CBD oil at bedtime ( see https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3283.msg34098#msg34098 )
Effect on severity and duration of POIS: 100% POIS-free
Possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): flu like symptoms, feeling cold, extreme fatigue, exhausted, palpitations, problems finding words, incoherent speech, dysarthria, concentration difficulties, quickly irritated, can not stand noice, photophobia, depressed mood, headache, itching eyes, painful eye, congestion nose, watery, runny nose, sneezing, white tongue, dirty taste in mouth, dry mouth, sore throat, muscle tenstion in back and neck, muscle weakness, pain muscles, stiffness muscles. Symptoms for 1 day, used to be 4 days.  Also:  No NE, no PE.
POIS worsen by: Symptoms worse if don’t ejaculate after sexual activity.
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information: comment from Vandemolen : "There is a guy who has been successfully treated by over the counter 3,5% cbd oil, but it didn’t help me"

Also, Vandemolen developed an allergy to CBD oil and had to stop using it .  His comment on it: "after 2 months I was out of CBD oil. A few months later I get new cbd oil. But when I started I used 4 drops in just a few hours. I got allergic and got sick. After 6 months (last week) I started with 1 drop. It went well. Two days later again 1 drop. But I got sick again. So my allergy for cbd oil isn’t still over."

IMPORTANT NOTICE:  CBD oil is not legal everywhere in the world, and, in fact, is still illegal in many countries.



14 - POIS type: Responding to Physalis/groundcherries
Reference member(s) : Physi  ( see https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3306.msg34401#msg34401 )
Relief method description:   Eating 25 Physalis ( berries, also called groundcherries or Inca berries), 40 minutes to 1 hour before O  ( if taken after O, not wroking)
Effect on severity and duration of POIS: 100% POIS-free
Possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): strong brain fog, fatigue, memory loss, difficulties to concentrate, lack of social skills, lack of confidence linked to not being in a normal state, lack of tact and humour.  Symptoms lasts for 3 days when not taking the berries.
POIS worsen by: data to be added
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information:
1)   It seems that the more dried the berries are, the more effective they are (you need less berries to get their effect, but member Physi not 100% sure of that hypothesis.)

2)   There may be a peak of efficacy at 45-50 minutes after O, and then a decrease, depending on the amount of berries you took. For example, a quantity of n berries may be effective at 45 minutes after O and not after 1 hour, whereas a quantity of n+10 berries may be effective at 1 hour after O. This, again, is just an hypothesis.

3)   Before reaching the point at which berries start working (around 40 min), physalis are not effective

4)   It doesn't work at all to take them after O. Once you are under POIS, berries are useless. They only work as a preventive treatment.



--


( note: as information gathers, it may become possible to fuse some of those POIS types together as it may turn out that they are one and the same, but for now, they seems exclusive in their relief method, suggesting they have some psychophysiological specificity as well. )

-
some other types to eventually add ( not enough information for now):

Responding to tadalafil:  see member wolf post, at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2369.msg19814#msg19814 ).  Some more info would be needed

Responding to oral corticosteroids ( prednisone or dexamethasone):  from posts on another forum.  Not enough information for now, but some success reported when taking some dexamethasone at onset of POIS symptoms.  There is also a post from another forum about successful use of 2.5mg prednisone 1 hour before release, and after ( see at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2488.msg21324#msg21324 )

--

Note about Desensitization:  I didn't include a "POIS type responding to desensitization with sub-cutaneous injection of own semen".  I am not supportive at all of this method, which has been abandoned, anyway, by its creator, Dr Marcel Waldinger, and is not supported anymore by any other doctor.  There will be no future data for this treatment (which, in my opinion, is controversial for many reasons, that I will not detail here), and there are very few known successes with this method even after 10 years of experimentations, so it will not be useful for merging or comparison with other types in this chart.

= = = =
  • POIS types chart, version 1.0 ( 2016/08/07):  Just a start up version, so don't expect too much. Your input is welcomed for adding to this chart ( adding reference members, adding types, adding any relevant information )
  • POIS types chart version 1.01 ( 2016/08/11):  update on Taurine Type and Niacin Type, and other minor changes
  • version 1.02 ( 2016/08/19):  update of Fenugreek Type
  • version 1.03 ( 2016/09/11):  update of different types according to information provided by members
  • version 1.04 ( 2016/09/21):  update of different types according to information provided by members
  • version 1.05 ( 2016/10/18):  update of different types according to information provided by members
  • version 1.06 ( 2016/11/19):  NSAID type added
  • version 1.07 ( 2017/02/11):  update of Gluten-free diet type
  • version 1.08 ( 2017/06/21):  update of oral corticosteroids type and other minor updates
  • version 1.09 ( 2017/07/14):  update of pre-pack type
  • version 1.10 ( 2018/01/03): Cholinergic Deficit Type update
  • version 1.11 ( 2018/02/15): renaming of POIS types; addition of POIS type responding to psychotherapy/sex therapy, and to CBD oil
  • version 1.12 ( 2018/12/02): updates in section 7 ( gluten-free diets and other diets)
  • version 1.13 ( 2020/05/26): section 14 added (POIS responding to Physalis )
« Last Edit: July 24, 2020, 07:41:24 AM by Quantum »
You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

Limejuice

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2016, 10:21:47 PM »
Thanks for compiling this!  No doubt a large step forward to have this information in one place. Feel free to delete this msg if it muddys the thread.

POISse

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 31
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2016, 07:08:23 AM »
Hi everyone,

Quantum amazing work here. I am 100% sure people will find it easier to find their pois type and relief with your chart.

As I am mentioned in the chart, I want to add some informations that FloppyB and Outsider may want to comment:

POIS type name: Mytelase and lecithin type

Relief method description: 10mg mythelase + lecithin right after orgasm (within the first minute is the best). Then repeat once a day (during lunch because eating trigger pois symptoms).

Symptoms :
- psychological: concentration, vision problems and insomina (always), memory (3-4 days), social skills (4-5days), bad mood (3-4 days), stress (3)
- physical: red eyes (4-5days), intense fatigue (3-6days), easily fatigue at sport (2 days)

Possible reasons for effectiveness: the vagus nerve is involved for sure but Outsider can probably answer this better than me.

POIS worsen by: hot shower, porn

No relief with: saw palmetto, homeotherapy

Other comment: If you have chrnoicle concentration, vision problems and insomina mytelase might help. Fasting delay the symptoms.

Which everyone a good week,

POISse

Quantum

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2016, 09:40:34 AM »
Thanks POISse for your added information !   ( Thanks to Limejuice too for his comment)

POISse, I will try to see if that fits with FB experience, and see if there is some pattern for your small group... but unfortunately, Outsider have been inactive here for some months now.  Maybe FB could comment directly here if he sees some common point with your experience.  In the meantime, I will try to search on forum posts to see what can be confimred from past posts.

I have already done so for the "hot shower" worsening, and it is interesting to note that both Outsider and FB have reported the same as you !  It is not 100% specific, as other POIS sufferers has the same problem, but all have not tried Mytelase and lecithin neither, so let's assume for now, there is a tendency that shows that those who are relieved by Mytelase seems to have their symptoms worsened by hot showers, especially on head and neck region ( as written by Outsider).  This is not the case for all POISers, others have their symptoms worsened by cold showers instead ( ref: Mishlen), or no effect from neither hot or cold ( like myself).  Is that the first pattern my chart would have help to find? Maybe!  Unless some member who has relief with Mytelase share that he never had problems with hot showers.

This hot shower search have helped me to find a possible link between two groups.  Another member, hurray, who has the hot shower problem, says he is relieved by fenugreek, which is a good source of choline.... Choline, lecithin, Mytelase, vagus nerve stimulation, all goes in the direction of increasing the cholinergic side of the nervous system, and for sure is linked to helping muscle functions and cognitive functions.  This would maybe show that the fenugreek group and the Mytelase/lecithin group is the same type of POIS, where the main physiological effect is a cholinergic deficit... more confirmations by members would be needed, but this is possible.  .  I would for sure like to receive feedbacks from members who have relief with fenugreek, that would help to clarify if this could be seen as the same type.

As a counter-example, I have no problem with hot showers, and no cognitive symptoms at all.  I am not part of this type for sure.

Thanks again POISse for your dynamic contribution !
You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

demografx

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5226
  • All of us working together to defeat POIS!
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2016, 06:00:44 PM »
I would for sure like to receive feedbacks from members who have relief with fenugreek, that would help to clarify if this could be seen as the same type.

For fenugreek archived posts @ POISCenter & NSF, put these 2 (separate searches)  in your Google search box:

• fenugreek pois site:http://poiscenter.com

• fenugreek pois site:http://thenakedscientists.com

•• Keep the above spacing intact


« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 08:16:30 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

demografx

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5226
  • All of us working together to defeat POIS!
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2016, 06:58:46 PM »
Thanks for compiling this!  No doubt a large step forward to have this information in one place. Feel free to delete this msg if it muddys the thread.
Muddy??? It  M A K E S  the thread! :)
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

b_jim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1020
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 01:54:19 AM »
Amazing job Quantum!



Quote
POIS type name: Taurine Type
Reference member(s) b_jim
relief method description: 600mg taurine each day
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 90% (from 3 to 0/1 day if zero sugar)
possible reason for effectiveness: Gaba?Dopamine?
POIS symptoms ( mainly): brain fog, muscle weakness, muscle twitching
POIS worsen by: sugar! (triple duration and severity)
No relief with : B3, garlic, fenugreek, olive oil, gluten free diet, anti-hista…
Other comments and information: type : skinny, general anxiety, premature ejaculation, 0 drugs, no smoke, bad alcohol resistance (only drink few red wine).
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 02:15:33 AM by b_jim »
Taurine = Anti-Pois
Suffering from lyme disease

demografx

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5226
  • All of us working together to defeat POIS!
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 06:30:33 PM »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

Quantum

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2016, 08:30:42 PM »
Amazing job Quantum!

Quote
POIS type name: Taurine Type
Reference member(s) b_jim
relief method description: 600mg taurine each day
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 90% (from 3 to 0/1 day if zero sugar)
possible reason for effectiveness: Gaba?Dopamine?
POIS symptoms ( mainly): brain fog, muscle weakness, muscle twitching
POIS worsen by: sugar! (triple duration and severity)
No relief with : B3, garlic, fenugreek, olive oil, gluten free diet, anti-hista…
Other comments and information: type : skinny, general anxiety, premature ejaculation, 0 drugs, no smoke, bad alcohol resistance (only drink few red wine).

Thanks for your kind words, b_jim !

Thanks also for the added data for your POIS type !  I will update my chart accordingly.

I hope that other members cited as reference for a specific type will do the same as you and provide more information on their particular type.

I hope that other members or even non-members reading the forum, that have success with taurine or any other of these type, will share their data so we can refine the chart.

For sure, it is hard to define any trend or pattern if there is only one member in a particular type, but we have to start somewhere, 

« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 09:24:15 PM by Quantum »
You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

Limejuice

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2016, 10:01:42 PM »
Here is my information:

POIS type name: Niacin type
Reference member(s)   Limejuice
relief method description: Niacin taken on empty stomach, waiting for the flush to happen before ejaculation.  Usually doses from 100mg to 300mg, but varies. 
effect on severity and duration of POIS: 50%
possible reason for effectiveness: data to be added
POIS symptoms ( mainly): brain fog (difficulty thinking and slow response time), impaired memory, headache, physical fatigue (low energy level), runny nose, insomnia
POIS worsen by: hot showers, starches and simple carbs
No relief with : data to be added
Other comments and information:

Quantum

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2016, 06:52:46 AM »
Thank you for your input, Limejuice ! I will add you as a reference member in the Niacin type and mix you information with what is already there.  I will try to see if Daveman share some of these, like the hot shower problem, and the sugar effect, and try to see if it is a "group" effect, present in all those who are relieved by Niacin.

Interesting to note that the worsening by refined sugar is present in more than one type of POIS ( for now, at least in the Niacin type and Taurine type).  It may be common to all types, some more input by members would be needed in order to clarify that.

Considering that Daveman has stiffness and pain in muscles and joints has a major symptom, I would be interested to know, Limejuice, if you have these as well ?

It may happen that the specific symptoms to a particular group may shrink down to a few ones.  For now, I leave more information, and will try to make it more specific if possible.



« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 07:05:05 AM by Quantum »
You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

Limejuice

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2016, 05:31:55 PM »

Considering that Daveman has stiffness and pain in muscles and joints has a major symptom, I would be interested to know, Limejuice, if you have these as well ?

It may happen that the specific symptoms to a particular group may shrink down to a few ones.  For now, I leave more information, and will try to make it more specific if possible.

Yes, I do experience joint cracking and mild muscle stiffness. It isn't as severe as the other symptoms but it does occur (as a slight nucence). Thanks!

Spartak

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 84
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2016, 01:45:11 AM »
Great topic!
Thank you Quantum
no sugar diet helps me a tiny bit, also makes my mind much calmer in general. Sugar is definitely something my body does not handle well. Also I noticed that other inflammations like a hangover are better since I quit sugar. I avoid sweet fruits as well.

certainlypois2

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 282
Re: Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2016, 12:52:29 PM »
for histamine type
my main symptoms; brain fog,fatigue,concentration/attention
occasional symptoms; flu like symptoms, burning sensation in lower back