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Gino

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B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« on: March 14, 2021, 08:01:05 AM »
Hi all,

Good news - I'm 2 months into this method and finding it to be very effective in preventing all usual symptoms and allowing for a very good sex life:

Method:
- Vitamin B3 (Dose: 1 x tablet of 500mg niacin nicotinamide; Timing: 2-to-6 hours before sex; Source: https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/21113/nature-s-own-vitamin-b3-500mg---vitamin-b---60-tablets)
- Matcha tea (Dose: 1 x glass as per usual strength for your caffeine sensitivity; Timing: Immediately before sex); Source: https://www.t2tea.com/en/au/tea/100-organic-matcha-T110AI012.html)

Results:
- No POIS symptoms noticed immediately after sex nor in the following days.
- Able to actively enjoy sex. E.g. a few times within Mon-Fri and a few times during the weekend.
- Able to concentrate on complex mental tasks and play sport to high intensity levels immediately after sex and in the following days.

Important notes:
- The matcha tea I took includes amino acid L-theanine: "...The combo of caffeine and amino acid L-theanine in matcha buddy up to give you a slower release of energy. This means no caffeine jitters, and also means you can power on for longer."
- Must have B3 tablet and matcha tea before sex. It seems to be a prevention mechanism rather than a treatment. It doesn't work if taken after sex.
- I avoided alcohol and heavy meals in the hours before sex.

Additional notes:
- Daily tablet of Echinacea with Vitamin C. This in itself doesn't prevent POIS symptoms but I believe it reduced my symptoms in the past to a much lesser extent. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/57027/cenovis-echinacea,-garlic,-zinc-c---contains-vitamin-c---125-tablets
- Diet: Gluten free, mostly vegetarian and some seafood.
- In the last two months I experienced one nasal cold sore. This was quickly resolved with a dose of Famciclovir https://www.yourdiscountchemist.com.au/apo-famciclovir-500mg-tablets-3-famvir-generic.html
- I previously had some success with B3 and green tea [i.e. not the matcha type]. I found it unreliable and often needed to rest for hours after sex.
- Coffee or other teas were also unreliable regardless of dosage and usually resulted in jitters.
- My usual full POIS symptoms were mental and physical types, including: immediate and continuous fatigue - mental, facial and body symptoms - all over muscle and joint tightness, weakness and aches, an all over feeling of inflammation similar to a cold or flu, chills and sweats, horrible mood swings such as agitation and anger, acute sensitivity to light, very poor decision making, short memory, inability to mentally process simple information or carry a conversation, inability to perform basic sequential tasks such as make cereal (e.g. I would often find myself putting away the spoon, bowl or milk before eating the cereal.. or pouring milk into the cereal box). These symptoms would usually last between 3-to-6 days at various intensities. My usual response was to just lie in bed in a dark room and avoid interaction with people.

Notes for additional enjoyment:
- I've found that I can enjoy sex for up to 3 hours using this matcha tea + B3 method in combination with a desensitizing gel/spray (e.g. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/7920/stud-100-desensitizing-spray-for-men-12g. No POIS symptoms noticed regardless of duration of sexual activity.
- Cardiovascular stamina definitely improves sex duration and enjoyment. Routine high intensity exercises like running, gym workouts and competitive sports have really helped me out.

Hoping to report on continued effectiveness in the coming months.
 

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2021, 08:29:45 AM »
Nicotinamide slow release 1500mg also helps me but I haven't tried for POIS yet, have you tried having the matcha at the same time as the nicotinamide?

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2021, 08:32:15 AM »
Possible reason why Nicotinamide works

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acschemneuro.0c00628
This suggests that downregulating Sirt1 results in upregulated MAO-A (which is what you want). Slow release NAM (nicotinamide)  in doses of 1-2g should do that for you.
Additionally I suggest NAC slow release 1200mg to balance glutamate and reduce catecholamines"

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2021, 09:08:02 AM »
Hi all,

Good news - I'm 2 months into this method and finding it to be very effective in preventing all usual symptoms and allowing for a very good sex life:

Method:
- Vitamin B3 (Dose: 1 x tablet of 500mg niacin nicotinamide; Timing: 2-to-6 hours before sex; Source: https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/21113/nature-s-own-vitamin-b3-500mg---vitamin-b---60-tablets)
- Matcha tea (Dose: 1 x glass as per usual strength for your caffeine sensitivity; Timing: Immediately before sex); Source: https://www.t2tea.com/en/au/tea/100-organic-matcha-T110AI012.html)

Results:
- No POIS symptoms noticed immediately after sex nor in the following days.
- Able to actively enjoy sex. E.g. a few times within Mon-Fri and a few times during the weekend.
- Able to concentrate on complex mental tasks and play sport to high intensity levels immediately after sex and in the following days.

Important notes:
- The matcha tea I took includes amino acid L-theanine: "...The combo of caffeine and amino acid L-theanine in matcha buddy up to give you a slower release of energy. This means no caffeine jitters, and also means you can power on for longer."
- Must have B3 tablet and matcha tea before sex. It seems to be a prevention mechanism rather than a treatment. It doesn't work if taken after sex.
- I avoided alcohol and heavy meals in the hours before sex.

Additional notes:
- Daily tablet of Echinacea with Vitamin C. This in itself doesn't prevent POIS symptoms but I believe it reduced my symptoms in the past to a much lesser extent. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/57027/cenovis-echinacea,-garlic,-zinc-c---contains-vitamin-c---125-tablets
- Diet: Gluten free, mostly vegetarian and some seafood.
- In the last two months I experienced one nasal cold sore. This was quickly resolved with a dose of Famciclovir https://www.yourdiscountchemist.com.au/apo-famciclovir-500mg-tablets-3-famvir-generic.html
- I previously had some success with B3 and green tea [i.e. not the matcha type]. I found it unreliable and often needed to rest for hours after sex.
- Coffee or other teas were also unreliable regardless of dosage and usually resulted in jitters.
- My usual full POIS symptoms were mental and physical types, including: immediate and continuous fatigue - mental, facial and body symptoms - all over muscle and joint tightness, weakness and aches, an all over feeling of inflammation similar to a cold or flu, chills and sweats, horrible mood swings such as agitation and anger, acute sensitivity to light, very poor decision making, short memory, inability to mentally process simple information or carry a conversation, inability to perform basic sequential tasks such as make cereal (e.g. I would often find myself putting away the spoon, bowl or milk before eating the cereal.. or pouring milk into the cereal box). These symptoms would usually last between 3-to-6 days at various intensities. My usual response was to just lie in bed in a dark room and avoid interaction with people.

Notes for additional enjoyment:
- I've found that I can enjoy sex for up to 3 hours using this matcha tea + B3 method in combination with a desensitizing gel/spray (e.g. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/7920/stud-100-desensitizing-spray-for-men-12g. No POIS symptoms noticed regardless of duration of sexual activity.
- Cardiovascular stamina definitely improves sex duration and enjoyment. Routine high intensity exercises like running, gym workouts and competitive sports have really helped me out.

Hoping to report on continued effectiveness in the coming months.

Thanks, Gino, for the detailed description of your successful method!   I hope you will keep us updated with your long-term results, I will like to include your method in the POIS Type Charts if they last another month or so. 

The use of matcha/green tea is interesting.  Macha tea is more and more present on the market - even my daughter adds matcha powder regularly in her smoothies.   Green tea has been one of the first things I found to help against POIS, years ago.

Thanks for having detailed your diet change and other daily habits that may have contributed to your overall method success.

My own method is similar to yours in many ways:  https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.msg16604#msg16604

I am happy for you that you have found significant relief for your POIS!


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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2021, 10:03:22 PM »
Special shout outs to Quantum (for the B3 and empty stomach method) and Nanna1 (for recommending green tea instead of coffee when I tired the stack method).

Perhaps the matcha powder is important because its allows me to consume the full physical leaf rather than just the caffeine from a grren tea bag?

Apparently one quarter tea spoon of matcha powder is equivalent to a full teaspoon of tea or coffee.

I've been taking a quarter tea spoon with a quarter glass of boiling water. Stirring thoroughly. I consume the powder residual if it accumulates at the bottom of the glass.

It's been so easy to follow so far. I just take one B3 tablet in the afternoon and follow up with a matcha tea before any sexual activity.

If I'm not seeing my partner then I don't consume the B3 nor the matcha on that day. This is because of other's reports of the body adjusting to tolerate regular dosages of vitamins and caffiene.

Additional note: I currently consume a coffee in the morning and a diet coke with dinner. However these caffiene sources are not sufficient. So if I missed the matcha tea dose the symptoms present as usual. If I substituted matcha with coffee just before sex then I get a maybe 30% of symptom severity.

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2021, 03:22:56 AM »
Nicotinamide slow release 1500mg also helps me but I haven't tried for POIS yet, have you tried having the matcha at the same time as the nicotinamide?

Hi @Iwillbeatthis - yes I've tried them together in two ways:

1. As per my method, the B3 tablet (500 mg niacin nicotinamide) at least 2-hours before sex. Referring to nanna1's research, its peak effectiveness is at the 6 hour mark. Hence I take it in the afternoon if I'm likely to be sexually active in the evening.

2. I've tried the B3 tablet with matcha tea immediately before sex and it's not as effective as waiting 2-6 hours - I still experience some POIS symptoms. I will experiment with this to see if how bearable this scenario is because sometimes its not practical to take B3 so many hours in advance.

I hope that answered your question!

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2021, 03:28:52 AM »
Possible reason why Nicotinamide works

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acschemneuro.0c00628
This suggests that downregulating Sirt1 results in upregulated MAO-A (which is what you want). Slow release NAM (nicotinamide)  in doses of 1-2g should do that for you.
Additionally I suggest NAC slow release 1200mg to balance glutamate and reduce catecholamines"

Are you suggesting that B3 tablet can be substituted with "Slow release NAM (nicotinamide) in doses of 1-2g" because it has less harmful?

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2021, 07:39:48 AM »
Does it help you from NE-POIS also? How do you take it then?

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2021, 08:03:01 AM »

Are you suggesting that B3 tablet can be substituted with "Slow release NAM (nicotinamide) in doses of 1-2g" because it has less harmful?

No it was just someone who suggested me that when I asked how to lower catecholamines with supplements. I actually want to try the normal version 500mg as the slow release doesn't work consistently and I have some issues with it.

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2021, 09:19:32 AM »
FYI, matcha also contains green tea catechins.

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2301.msg38757#msg38757

I wonder if he affects CD38 dependent NAD+ pathways with nicotinamide. The tea could function as ROS scavenger.

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2021, 04:40:06 PM »
Does it help you from NE-POIS also? How do you take it then?

Hi BoneBroth. I fortunately don't experience NE so I've not had to think about this scenario. Maybe experiment in taking B3 with matcha tea at various hour ranges before usual sleep time to gauge what works?
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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2021, 05:48:04 PM »
The reasons behind this are possibly explained here in this thread if you search for niacin, coffeine and l-theanine: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3151

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2021, 09:30:43 PM »
Perhaps it's time to re-examine POIS as a form of migraine. Recently I found that Niacin is used by migraine sufferers to abort a migraine before it really hits. Caffeine is also used as a remedy.

Other things that help are magnesium and taurine. It all sounds familiar.

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Re: B3 + Matcha tea with L-theanine
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2021, 07:51:12 AM »
Perhaps it's time to re-examine POIS as a form of migraine.
You may want to take a look at Heather's case in the women's thread. We had similar discussions in the blood flow/vessel and endothelial related threads.