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Hi guys, as you all know that i(we all do some more some less) trying to figure out what is the real cause of  ours  illnes.
After 3 years of researching from this forum and 15 years back looking for the cause of my illness, I have looked at the whole thing and I think I can relate what is the cause of our illness.

Mercury intolerance))leaky gut)) Mercury retention)) Immunity compromised))
Prone to Lyme disease)) Impaired central nervous system)) Impaired vagus nerve(mercury disbturbed acethylcholine pathways) ))Chronic fatigue(mitohondria impacted))Syastemic inflamation))Parcinson lyke symptoms))Prone to autoimune illness))


In short: Mercury intolerance))leaky gut))Mercury retention))POIS

(Pois with lyme is the worst type of pois)
(other types of pois is lighter versions of pois).
Pois types you can found of forum under Quantum profile.


Cruciall links info:
What is the funniest thing to me about this is that
everything I was exploring was also
mentioned the summary in this slide.
Scroll and learn:

https://www.slideshare.net/keithberndtson/detoxification

Could Mercury Toxicity Be Causing Your Symptoms?
Important, read comments of peoples on the botom.
https://chriskresser.com/could-mercury-toxicity-be-causing-your-symptoms/


For years i search reason for my condition, and i try to find solution
folowing my symptomes, the first thing i discovered that my symptomes
lead me to lyme disies, than later fit with mercury toxicity symptoms,
then that lead me to discover pois forums, wich lead me to a lot of info
an pois types on forum, then i reasarched imunity theory,   then i leaded virus
dicusion on forum(some mans healed from antivirals on forum from my sugestion)
, then i discovered that some of us are imunocompromised(like neutrophenia),
then i dicovered that mercury can supress dispturb imunity, then i dicovered
that lyme can disbturb imunity, than i disovered that  mercury and lyme connection
, (bugs love hawy metals, they use it for protection from imunity
-biofilms).
I was shocked when i discower hundreds of web pages of mercury
and lyme connection , mercury can disbturb imune system and many many
factorses in ours body, and we are prone to meny chronic conditions,
then i discovered leaky gut and this leaky gut isues fitt perfectly
in mercury retention and reabsorbtion cycle in body, that keep us in
chronicly toxic and chronicly ill vicious cycle.
Genetic factors and bad luck play big role here.


The moment we begin to have sexual arousal,
the body begins to prepare for ejaculation,
begins to withdraw nutrients from all places in the body,
start a major neurohormonal exchange,
in the process mercury is extracted from the organs,
fats and tissues and begin to circulate,
then we get mercury intolerance reaction))
this proces disbturb every single normall
pathway in our body. In the moment of ejculation ,
this proces is exsesive , ve get systemic inflamation
and  pois hitted hard like a storm from that .



In this theory here, we can put all the discusions we had on forum.

Start from the vagus nerve, to the neurotoxic
(neuro-autoimmune reaction, as many of us think),
to the lyme disease, virus theory,
symptoms like parkinson's (some poisers have developed
parcinson unfortunately), activation of mast cells,
testosterone deficiency, hi prolacitn, immunodeficiency,
immunocompromised, leaky gut, bowel problems, systemic inflammation,
autism spectrum, ocd spectrum, anxiety spectrum,
 everything just name it ???
Chronic mercury retention and intolerance (heavy metals),
is capable of causing all this !!! No medical marker for this ??
:) Thats why POIS has no marker!!!


Guys, I think hypersensitivity to mercury due to constant reabsorption and
retention of mercury and heavy metals is the root cause of POIS.


We have an intolerance to mercury and cannot get rid of it
of our body and we are always in a vicious circle.


I think in our ccase, intolerance to mercury
(and other heavy metals, but mercury is
main reason) they block all normal processes in our bodies,
especially our central nervous system CNS.


Mercury hipersensitivity
https://melisa.org/mercury/


How To Get This Lethal Poison Out Of Your Body
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mercury-how-to-get-this-l_b_469358




Mercury destroy gut leanings too,(vicious cycle again, leaky gut)


What did i noticed? I noticed that every single suplement who did
helped poisers, increse gluthatione or fight inflamation.

GLuthation is the main body detox pathway.


See here...toxicity of mercury  and his gut repair protocol and his pois
is better and better, he can O free of pois.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2894.msg31869;topicseen#msg31869
Not that easy unfortunatly for all of us, because all of us is afeceted
diferently(seee Quantum pois charts).



Look at here on a guy wich benefit from  methylation but not
100%, he did get cured 100% when he included this
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2831.msg25781#msg25781

NAC              ( incriese gluthation)
Selenomethionine (incriese gluthation, chelate the mercury from the body "safe")
Taurine          (incriese gluthation)
Zink             (incriese gluthation , chelator, help on gut yunktions repair
,leaky gut repair).

And he taked probiotics for guts, and had stoped his pois in 100%!!!



Any supplement that successfully aids here in the forum,
increases gluthation or acts on inflammation and interferes
with mercury from oxidation and thus helps us.

Some people (us poisers) need 20 years to exterminate mercury
from the brain ...

Mercury has a very negative effect on immunity
(which is why we compromise immunity)
Immunocompromised people have various chronic infections:
Lyme disease, bowel infections (candida, bacteria like metals).

Due to this negative impact of mercury,
many autoimmune diseases are created in humans.

That is why we are susceptible to infections.

Mercury lowers neutrophils.

Mercury itself destroys the gut wall, this is where the paradox resurfaces,
Mercury and other toxins are reabsorbed into the blood and then re-absorbed
they go to the brain, organs and tissues.

Mercury causes a decrease in testosterone. (because mercury in the brain has
 a negative effect on the pituitary gland)

Mercury are deposited in thyroid gland, dispturb normall work of gland,
it can couse hiden type of thayroid isues and
autioimunity.
Iif you ask me thyroid thype of pois chart exist like meber SWELL!!!)

Mercury interferes with the action of the gabba.

Mercury interferes with the action of dopamine.

Why are some here "cured" by methylation?

Increasing methylation increases gluthathion.

Why Vitamin B Helps - Increases Gluthation.
Why Vitamin D Helps - Enhances Gluthation.
Why Vitamin C Helps - Enhances Gluthation.
Why Zinc Help - Increases Gluthation.
Why NAC Helps - Greatly Increases Gluthathion.


Mercury interferes with acetacholine processes
and therefore interferes with the functioning of the vagus nerve.

Mercury induces the activation of mast cells.

Mercury irritates the adrenal glands (mercury deposits in the kidneys and
irritates the adrenal glands)

Mercury prevents mitochondria from working properly (causes chronic fatigue)


A vicious cycle of mercury retention and redistribution,
because of leaky gut and disbturbed proceses of gluthation.

But in leaky gut, mercury do reabsorbing again
on blood and go in the brain and other tissues.

Mercury be deposited in meny organs ,
like kidnes and in prostate and testicles too.

Mercury shold be exited from body with detox fazes(main glutation) in feces,
mercury love fat, from that reason mercury go
to the brain an be deposited there too.

 

Wery good study for infoo about topic:

Connections and links:

Mercury Toxicity and Treatment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253456/#!po=11.8750

mercury lyme connection.
https://drpompa.com/podcasts/143-back-to-life-after-lyme-and-mercury-poisoning/

So posible solution, if you asking me, i do not advice forced extration mercury and
hawy metals toxins from body, i advice naturall ways and naturall chelators.

1. Gut healing, leaky gut repair, this is the most important thing, and wery hard to repair
because we are in vicious cicle which from is wery hard to get out.
but we can se on our forum that some peoples are suscesifully repair theirs
guts and improved their healt and pois, some of them cured complitly.
With bad gut, leaky gut... mercury and odher toxins are allways reabsorbed back in
blod the redistributed in brain an all ower the body organs and tisiues again.

2.Get rid of your mercury sources and other toxins exposures.

3. After that follow some safe naturall mercury chelators protocols
First, clean mercury from body, after that use chilantro to clean
mercury from brain, because chorella cant cross BB barier.
It is wery imortant to use naturall binders like vitamince C and
aplle pectins powder etc....espheshaly for lyme poisers.
The same thing do NAC(chelate from body), ALA(chelate from brain)...
« Last Edit: January 25, 2021, 08:26:20 AM by Hopeoneday »
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Re: The root couse of POIS (under construction)
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2020, 12:39:29 PM »
Under construction!
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Re: The root couse of POIS (under construction)
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2020, 01:23:30 AM »
Thanks, HOD, looking forward to your POIS presentation!
« Last Edit: January 28, 2020, 04:26:05 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: The root couse of POIS (under construction)
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2020, 12:16:30 PM »
Guys, i will update this post, put more links reffereces and explanations.
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Adeed connections.
https://drpompa.com/podcasts/143-back-to-life-after-lyme-and-mercury-poisoning/

Mercury Leaky Gut and Mast Cell Histamine Release
https://www.mercurymadness.info/the-hidden-obstacle-to-your-recovery-from-mercury-poisoning-leaky-gut-and-mast-cell-histamine-release/

Cruciall links for info...
Could Mercury Toxicity Be Causing Your Symptoms?
Important, read comments of peoples on the botom.
https://chriskresser.com/could-mercury-toxicity-be-causing-your-symptoms/
Mercury 101: Three Forms of Mercury
Different Individuals, Different Rates of Mercury Detox
Mercury Detox Is Affected by Numerous Factors
Chronic Inflammation = Impaired Detoxification. And, Mercury = Chronic Inflammation. A Vicious Cycle.
Inflammation Makes Us More Susceptible to Mercury Toxicity
Mercury Affects Every Cell and System in Our Body
Our Nervous System Is Particularly Vulnerable to Mercury Toxicity
« Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 07:11:07 PM by Hopeoneday »
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I've tested positive for leaky gut, and negative for mercury and other heavy metals.  However, it's unclear what my root causes of leaky gut are... gluten and dairy are definitely one cause but suspect something else is an issue too.

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Thank you, HOD, for the extensive review. A Melisa test showed that I have a strong positive reaction (that is to say, hypersensitivity) to inorganic mercury. Here are some of my views on mercury:

1) One should distinguish between mercury toxicity (this is when mercury messes up the function of organs - possibly some gland, or the testicles, or the brain) and mercury hypersensitivity (allergy type IV). These are different things, with different symptoms. Interestingly, our symptoms include ones from both types.

2) If a test shows "mercury within normal range" -- this means absolutely nothing. It is well-established that for mercury, there is NO "safe range" for some people. In other words, an amount of mercury that can be tolerated by 99.9% of the population (and hence considered within lab range) may cause illness in the remaining 0.1%. It doesn't matter if you do a blood, urine, hair, or nails test (the latter two are most useful for chronic poisoning).   

3) A few more properties of mercury. Mercury is known to act as a vasoconstrictor on blood vessels. Many examples in this forum show that vasodilators (e.g. garlic or niacin) help for the symptoms. Also, people here report that they feel bad during wet and moist weather, and better during dry weather. Well, I've read about this one experiment in which they poison mice with mercury; one group is left in a dry place and the other in a wet place. The one in the wet place shows less mercury in a blood test (i.e., the mercury is absorbed more in the body), and the mice in the dry place live longer after being poisoned. So, moisture is bad for mercury toxicity. I've even read that people with mercury toxicity feel tired after a shower - this has been reported here in the forum as well. Lots of smoking gun.

4) Most importantly, to the point. There are tons of information on the internet, e.g. Andy Cutler chelation, other chelation protocols (e.g. http://www.toxaprevent.co.uk/ or Quicksilver Scientific, https://www.quicksilverscientific.com/) about how to chelate mercury. The problem is, each one says this is the only safe way, and all the others are bad and unsafe. I don't know which one to trust. I can't really find scientific articles in peer-reviewed journals that say: "this method was tested extensively and is considered safe." I am not convinced that chelation is a safe process, that's what I worry about. I don't know if these chelation protocols have been tested on lab animals - for example, for side effects. 

5) In any case, do not chelate until your amalgamas are out. Else, things may become worse. The literature is consistent on this.

But yes, I totally agree with you on the mercury toxicity/hypersensitivity hypothesis.

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Yes, this as Investigator explaned...Limejuice.
This theory so far fits all types of POISs.
The Investigator sees the whole picture, he reads and relates things.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 08:05:47 AM by Hopeoneday »
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What I miss however, is that it seems not everybody on this forum has had amalgam fillings. That's what makes me skeptical about this whole mercury toxicity/hypersensitivity hypothesis as a root cause for POIS. While it is true that there are other sources of mercury (like fish), I think the main one generally is amalgam fillings. It doesn't look like many people here have them (evidence: see that that mercury threads are not super active). There was an old poll about mercury, and several members have replied they've never had amalgamas.

So, thanks for the compliment, HOD, but the above paragraph is one piece I really am missing from this puzzle. I still believe in the mercury hypothesis, though, just trying to link this with everything else.

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I have never had amalgam fillings.

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There we go, here is precisely where the mercury theory breaks. Thanks for the answer, Mushnikk.

I also presume you haven't played with a broken thermometer when you were young or anything like that? And that POIS didn't start soon after a vaccine? Or you weren't eating loads of salmon over an extended period of time? If it's "none of the above," then the mercury theory has a serious gap that HOD and I have to address. 

Or it could be some other metal, like nickel. I also have hypersensitivity to nickel (though not as strong as to mercury), shown on a Melisa test. But this is more common, many people have allergy (type IV) to nickel. Do you have metal or metal-ceramics dental crowns, Mushnikk?


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People don't want to read to understand, to connect things.
People want 3-4 pills and they can be cured immediately.
But unfortunately, in our case, it is not so easy, only the lucky ones.
No-amalgam fillings are nothing to this theory, people can be toxic
from old colors , just one example.
The essence of this theory is toxicity, the buildup of toxins due to leaky gut, and the emphasis is on the sensitivity to mercury,
ie the emphasis on the vicious circle, that we are always chronically toxic and that is why some of us have chronic infections.

I never expected this tread to be active, due to misunderstanding.
And so with lyme didease, for a year and a half, I say some of us have layme disies, but no one believes,
because they do not know that a negative chronic lyme test means nothing.
And suddenly in the last half year 5 poisers are diagnosed with lyme disease.
You don't have to have lyme disies with POIS!
But POIS is a herxheimer reaction,
we will know in the future what.
(one fine sunny day).


Mobilization, redistibution, retention due leaky gut and felure of detox fases,
gluthationa as main.

When I say here that lyme disease and mercury are related, people here will say wha ???
Write on google (lyme mercury)


« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 05:24:24 PM by Hopeoneday »
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As a child I had amalgam filings but those have long ago fallen out.

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Aha, now I see what HOD suggests: the root cause could be deficiency in detoxification, and so the symptoms appear due to accumulation of toxins. It could be different toxins for different people. For some it could be one thing, for others - another thing. Hence the different types of POIS.

It could be, who knows. I've heard about "total toxic load" - the idea that you start having some symptoms once toxins of various types accumulate beyond a certain threshold. But if it's like that, why are our symptoms so similar?

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People don't want to read to understand, to connect things.
People want 3-4 pills and they can be cured immediately.
But unfortunately, in our case, it is not so easy, only the lucky ones.
No-amalgam fillings are nothing to this theory, people can be toxic
from old colors , just one example.
The essence of this theory is toxicity, the buildup of toxins due to leaky gut, and the emphasis is on the sensitivity to mercury,
ie the emphasis on the vicious circle, that we are always chronically toxic and that is why some of us have chronic infections.

I never expected this tread to be active, due to misunderstanding.
And so with lyme didease, for a year and a half, I say some of us have layme disies, but no one believes,
because they do not know that a negative chronic lyme test means nothing.
And suddenly in the last half year 5 poisers are diagnosed with lyme disease.
You don't have to have lyme disies with POIS!
But POIS is a herxheimer reaction,
we will know in the future what.
(one fine sunny day).


Mobilization, redistibution, retention due leaky gut and felure of detox fases,
gluthationa as main.

When I say here that lyme disease and mercury are related, people here will say wha ???
Write on google (lyme mercury)

Hi man,

I like your emphasis on a natural/journey approach to POIS. (if i didn’t misunderstand you) What are you currently doing to cure your gut and enhance detox?

So happy to be part of this community! Just a year ago, I was alone, nobody understood my “unreal” symptoms.
Digestion problems anyone? (I.e. using toilet every 3+ days) My POIS began as a teenager together with digest
POIS (13 or 7): photophobia, bloating, heavy brain fog, memory loss, muco

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People want 3-4 pills and they can be cured immediately.
But unfortunately, in our case, it is not so easy, only the lucky ones.

I completely agree.

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Thank you, HOD, for the extensive review. A Melisa test showed that I have a strong positive reaction (that is to say, hypersensitivity) to inorganic mercury. Here are some of my views on mercury:

4) Most importantly, to the point. There are tons of information on the internet, e.g. Andy Cutler chelation, other chelation protocols (e.g. http://www.toxaprevent.co.uk/ or Quicksilver Scientific, https://www.quicksilverscientific.com/) about how to chelate mercury. The problem is, each one says this is the only safe way, and all the others are bad and unsafe. I don't know which one to trust. I can't really find scientific articles in peer-reviewed journals that say: "this method was tested extensively and is considered safe." I am not convinced that chelation is a safe process, that's what I worry about. I don't know if these chelation protocols have been tested on lab animals - for example, for side effects. 



Quicksilver is a known multilevel marketing scheme which uses binders which do NOT have the chemical properties required to chelate. As far as am I am aware all known chelators of mercury are dithiols (ALA, DMSA, DMPS).

I have followed ACC for over a year now and my POIS is significantly improved, and I believe I will be 100% cured in another year. Understand that ACC was developed by people testing things on a forum in the 90s through trial and error, Andy just happened to partake and happened to have the scientific knowledge to piece together why it works, Andy also applied the half-life dosing idea used throughout the medical industry.

There are no "tests" which can accurately show mercury burden, this is only possible through autopsy. Andy thought the best way to test for mercury would be just to try his protocol, and any sort of reaction to the chelators confirms mercury (positive or negative).

What I miss however, is that it seems not everybody on this forum has had amalgam fillings. That's what makes me skeptical about this whole mercury toxicity/hypersensitivity hypothesis as a root cause for POIS. While it is true that there are other sources of mercury (like fish), I think the main one generally is amalgam fillings. It doesn't look like many people here have them (evidence: see that that mercury threads are not super active). There was an old poll about mercury, and several members have replied they've never had amalgamas.

So, thanks for the compliment, HOD, but the above paragraph is one piece I really am missing from this puzzle. I still believe in the mercury hypothesis, though, just trying to link this with everything else.

It doesn't matter if you never had amalgams, mercury can be passed from parent to child. So if your mother had amalgams, or your grandmother then it's still possible. Also, their are other exposures to mercury:- broken CFL lamps, vaccines (this is controversial but it is a scientific fact that many contain thimerasol which is used as a preservative), bulbs.. many more. Their are many people on the ACC forums whom have never had amalgams who have found significant improvements/been cured from similar autoimmune conditions to POIS. Even a trip to a conventional dentist office exposes you.


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Hi JohnJames, your post is quite promising!
Could you clarify what does “following ACC” means, please.
And secondly, as your POIS symptoms have improved, has your digestion improved (if you had leaky gut, or any digestion problem)?
So happy to be part of this community! Just a year ago, I was alone, nobody understood my “unreal” symptoms.
Digestion problems anyone? (I.e. using toilet every 3+ days) My POIS began as a teenager together with digest
POIS (13 or 7): photophobia, bloating, heavy brain fog, memory loss, muco

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Sorry but this is just pseudo science, dont go that way. I cant tell you how many times i thought i had found the root of my problems.

Lyme. Histamine intolerance. Leaky gut. Adrenal fatigue. You can go that way for years and you'll end up nowhere.

But in the end it doesnt work because its bullshit

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cn7, many of us understand your frustration. But please don’t give up. Personally, I’m just hoping for some useful POIS-antidote info - not necessarily an all-conquering cure -  that will come out of all this hypothetical searching. Something more than we had, say, one year ago.

Scientific progress is slow. Even for well-funded syndromes, e.g., CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome). Million$ spent, but very little progress.

I’ve been with the forum since 2007
(POIS’ Dark Ages :) ) and the progress I’ve seen has been impressive. Even with zero funding, this forum has advanced its thinking greatly in its attack on the POIS problem! If only 10% of what we find is ultimately useful (90% “useless”)...we’re still way ahead of the game.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 08:24:33 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business