Author Topic: The root couse of POIS Mercury intolerance))leaky gut))Mercury retention))POIS  (Read 23338 times)

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Hi JohnJames, your post is quite promising!
Could you clarify what does “following ACC” means, please.
And secondly, as your POIS symptoms have improved, has your digestion improved (if you had leaky gut, or any digestion problem)?

ACC = Andy Cutler Chelation, it's just a safe way to remove mercury from the body/brain based on the research into treating acute mercury poisoning.

Yes, the following has all improved gradually for me over the last year: insomnia, brain fog, tiredness/fatigue, digestion, social aptitude, depression, the feeling that you feel sort of numb and dead inside, dandruff, skin problems. I'm free to orgasm over the weekends if I please, the day after can be a little rough but it no longer takes me out for a week.

Most people with mercury issues tend to have gut problems.

Sorry but this is just pseudo science, dont go that way. I cant tell you how many times i thought i had found the root of my problems.

Lyme. Histamine intolerance. Leaky gut. Adrenal fatigue. You can go that way for years and you'll end up nowhere.

But in the end it doesnt work because its bullshit

I disagree. I don't think this is a genetic problem - it doesn't make evolutionary sense that some people are just ill and that's all there is to it. Which means it's likely to be something we have done or do in our modern lifestyle that wouldn't of been a problem for us during our evolutionary history. For example, grains are relatively new to the human diet, and it seems alot of people run into issues when they incorporate grains. Similarly, many medications, surgeries, environmental exposures, etc... are all relatively new, we haven't done studies over generations for many of the things we are exposed to and are generally considered safe.
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Hi JohnJames, your post is quite promising!
Could you clarify what does “following ACC” means, please.
And secondly, as your POIS symptoms have improved, has your digestion improved (if you had leaky gut, or any digestion problem)?

ACC = Andy Cutler Chelation, it's just a safe way to remove mercury from the body/brain based on the research into treating acute mercury poisoning.

Yes, the following has all improved gradually for me over the last year: insomnia, brain fog, tiredness/fatigue, digestion, social aptitude, depression, the feeling that you feel sort of numb and dead inside, dandruff, skin problems. I'm free to orgasm over the weekends if I please, the day after can be a little rough but it no longer takes me out for a week.

Most people with mercury issues tend to have gut problems.

Sorry but this is just pseudo science, dont go that way. I cant tell you how many times i thought i had found the root of my problems.

Lyme. Histamine intolerance. Leaky gut. Adrenal fatigue. You can go that way for years and you'll end up nowhere.

But in the end it doesnt work because its bullshit

I disagree. I don't think this is a genetic problem - it doesn't make evolutionary sense that some people are just ill and that's all there is to it. Which means it's likely to be something we have done or do in our modern lifestyle that wouldn't of been a problem for us during our evolutionary history. For example, grains are relatively new to the human diet, and it seems alot of people run into issues when they incorporate grains. Similarly, many medications, surgeries, environmental exposures, etc... are all relatively new, we haven't done studies over generations for many of the things we are exposed to and are generally considered safe.

Would you be so kind to share what ressource you used to do the particular chelation for something who wants to read up on it.

JohnJames

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Hi JohnJames, your post is quite promising!
Could you clarify what does “following ACC” means, please.
And secondly, as your POIS symptoms have improved, has your digestion improved (if you had leaky gut, or any digestion problem)?

ACC = Andy Cutler Chelation, it's just a safe way to remove mercury from the body/brain based on the research into treating acute mercury poisoning.

Yes, the following has all improved gradually for me over the last year: insomnia, brain fog, tiredness/fatigue, digestion, social aptitude, depression, the feeling that you feel sort of numb and dead inside, dandruff, skin problems. I'm free to orgasm over the weekends if I please, the day after can be a little rough but it no longer takes me out for a week.

Most people with mercury issues tend to have gut problems.

Sorry but this is just pseudo science, dont go that way. I cant tell you how many times i thought i had found the root of my problems.

Lyme. Histamine intolerance. Leaky gut. Adrenal fatigue. You can go that way for years and you'll end up nowhere.

But in the end it doesnt work because its bullshit

I disagree. I don't think this is a genetic problem - it doesn't make evolutionary sense that some people are just ill and that's all there is to it. Which means it's likely to be something we have done or do in our modern lifestyle that wouldn't of been a problem for us during our evolutionary history. For example, grains are relatively new to the human diet, and it seems alot of people run into issues when they incorporate grains. Similarly, many medications, surgeries, environmental exposures, etc... are all relatively new, we haven't done studies over generations for many of the things we are exposed to and are generally considered safe.

Would you be so kind to share what ressource you used to do the particular chelation for something who wants to read up on it.

Sure,

Andy has a book called "Amalgam Illness" which talks alot about the protocol and how it all works etc and the damage mercury causes and how it does it, there are some free pages on google books: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Amalgam_Illness.html?id=ZG9glNfif5YC&redir_esc=v

(apologies if this is against the rules I'm not advertising and don't stand to make any financial gain from this).

However, there are a number of places to read about how to chelate using ACC, you don't need the book to do the method but it is an interesting read nevertheless, apologies about some of the sites they aren't the prettiest:
https://thepowerofozone.com/chelate-andrew-cutler-protocol/
https://andy-cutler-chelation.com
https://nataliehanson.com/2018/02/04/acc-protocol/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/environmental-toxins/using-the-andy-cutler-protocol-to-address-mercury-poisoning/
https://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/

The facebook group is probably the best place, there are 60000 members, many of whom are chelating or have found success with chelation and are willing to help others start, including a number of volunteer dentists who can check to make sure your amalgams were properly removed (very very important!).

Also the following link is super helpful and I think helps illustrate the sort of character Andy was before passing:
http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol.html

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JohnJames, please keep us updated on how the chelation is going, your experience is really important to share. My dental situation is so complicated that it will take another at least half year until I clean my mouth from the amalgamas (they are under crowns). Then I will be ready for ACC. 

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Thank you! @johnjames

Is mercury poising something that I can get a test? Like a blood test?

So happy to be part of this community! Just a year ago, I was alone, nobody understood my “unreal” symptoms.
Digestion problems anyone? (I.e. using toilet every 3+ days) My POIS began as a teenager together with digest
POIS (13 or 7): photophobia, bloating, heavy brain fog, memory loss, muco

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Sorry but this is just pseudo science, dont go that way. I cant tell you how many times i thought i had found the root of my problems.

Lyme. Histamine intolerance. Leaky gut. Adrenal fatigue. You can go that way for years and you'll end up nowhere.

But in the end it doesnt work because its bullshit

Hi, thanks cn7 for keeping me down to earth and demografx for your persistence—two essential qualities.
 I wouldn’t want to discard anything just because it’s “pseudoscience”. In this kind of illness, laypersons’ knowledge is fundamental. And this is what

The contribution of laypersons to science is something that works, especially for rare illnesses. It is very well explained in Michael Callon’s book: acting in an uncertain world.
If you start reading the book, you’ll notice that This forum is very very similar to the French Muscular Dystrophy Association (AFM) cited in the book—not bcs of the illness, but because of our common situation as a rare illness which has not yet been mapped out by the “scientific” community. In these situations, laypersons who are affected by the disease are essential for mapping out the causes of the illness—together with experts. The AFM has had huge succés for mapping out the different types of Muscular dystrophy and generating research and treatment.
Experts alone are of little use. They tend to treat cases like this one as isolated and provide quick fixes which do not solve the problem, e.g. the patient lacks testosterone, therefore we need to increase the patient’s testosterone. Instead, the question is, why does the patient lack testosterone?
In this COMMUNITY we are generating first-hand information from POIS affected ppl; plus there are very engaged laypersons in here who have gained a lot of expertise and try to collect the dots; and ultimately, we are reaching out to the scientific community. It’s the perfect cycle.

However, we might need more VISIBILITY as a group, so that more (unidentidied) POIS ppl can identify it; and hence get more support. In the case of the AFM they organise a parade every year to generate visibility and get funding. https://www.telethon7.com/telethon-weekend/

Callon’s book is a very good read, you can look at the summary here: https://books.google.es/books/about/Acting_in_an_Uncertain_World.html?id=i_bwmgEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
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So happy to be part of this community! Just a year ago, I was alone, nobody understood my “unreal” symptoms.
Digestion problems anyone? (I.e. using toilet every 3+ days) My POIS began as a teenager together with digest
POIS (13 or 7): photophobia, bloating, heavy brain fog, memory loss, muco

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In this case, JohnJames has suggested that mercury intoxication might be at the root of the problem and has relieved some symptoms already.
The mercury hypotheses would make so much sense to me: because my mum has had lots of fillings and issues with her sexual organs (ovary) as well; also, my sister’s left breast didn’t develop, and my little brother was born with a cardiopathy.
So, this is no coincidence. Also, my mum has got a very explosive character, has lots of anger and anxiety, which is similar to POIS symptoms.
Now, The question for me is how do I know if I have mercury poisoning, is there any way to test this?
-Which of the testing methods did you do JohnJames?
« Last Edit: February 18, 2020, 09:43:19 AM by marrtintintin »
So happy to be part of this community! Just a year ago, I was alone, nobody understood my “unreal” symptoms.
Digestion problems anyone? (I.e. using toilet every 3+ days) My POIS began as a teenager together with digest
POIS (13 or 7): photophobia, bloating, heavy brain fog, memory loss, muco

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Marrtintintin, the controversy is that there is no way really to test for mercury. Blood and urine tests are meant for acute mercury poisoning and show mercury that got into the body just recently (these are for people working in a factory, for example, if something wrong happens). Don't do these, they are not useful - they will surely show low levels. The standard is to use a hair test (or a nails test). However, they say (and this makes sense, but is not scientifically proven) that it is possible that the hair test shows mercury within normal range, while actually you have lots of mercury in the body (inside organs), just not so much in the hair. Others also say that even if the hair test shows a low level, for some people there is no "safe zone," so some people may get mercury mess up their organs even within what the lab may refer to as "safe limits." There is also a possibility for mercury allergy (which I have for sure), different from mercury poisoning. These make sense. Mercury is not good, one way or the other. 

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In this case, JohnJames has suggested that mercury intoxication might be at the root of the problem and has relieved some symptoms already.
The mercury hypotheses would make so much sense to me: because my mum has had lots of fillings and issues with her sexual organs (ovary) as well; also, my sister’s left breast didn’t develop, and my little brother was born with a cardiopathy.
So, this is no coincidence. Also, my mum has got a very explosive character, has lots of anger and anxiety, which is similar to POIS symptoms.
Now, The question for me is how do I know if I have mercury poisoning, is there any way to test this?
-Which of the testing methods did you do JohnJames?

I'm sorry to hear that, my mother also had amalgams, as did my grandmother, and both of them suffer from mental health issues. Also there is a correlation between Restless Legs Syndrome and presence of dental amalgam in elderly people in the scientific literature, me, my grandmother, and my mother all have RLS.

There are no real test methods, your best bet is to just try the protocol with a low dose (please read up on it before you start and absolutely make sure you have no amalgam in your mouth, ask questions on the ACC forum they are all very useful). However, given your issues and background I would guess that it is likely that mercury is an issue for you.

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I'm sorry to hear that, my mother also had amalgams, as did my grandmother, and both of them suffer from mental health issues. Also there is a correlation between Restless Legs Syndrome and presence of dental amalgam in elderly people in the scientific literature, me, my grandmother, and my mother all have RLS.

Table 4 Mercury

Restless legs syndrome is associated with mast cell activation syndrome

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Muon, under a hypothesis that mast cell activation is triggered by mercury, do you think getting rid of the mercury would also stop the mast cell activation?

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Muon, under a hypothesis that mast cell activation is triggered by mercury, do you think getting rid of the mercury would also stop the mast cell activation?
Depends on whether this is a major trigger. It's theoretically possible mast cell activation tones down when removing this trigger. It's a potential trigger but the question is whether this is a major trigger of mast cell activation in yourself. You could remove fillings and still end up in the same state. There is no way to tell. And keep in mind that this is different from toxicity.

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Thanks. What an immunologist explained to me once was that a combination of mercury and other things can make you allergic/hypersensitive to one of the other things that it interacts with, and then even without the mercury, the allergy stays, as your immune system remembers the irritation it received once.

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Investigator, please see my PM
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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On the ACC forums Mast Cell Activation syndrome is extremely extremely common and seems to disappear with chelation.

I'm sorry to hear that, my mother also had amalgams, as did my grandmother, and both of them suffer from mental health issues. Also there is a correlation between Restless Legs Syndrome and presence of dental amalgam in elderly people in the scientific literature, me, my grandmother, and my mother all have RLS.

Table 4 Mercury

Restless legs syndrome is associated with mast cell activation syndrome

Interesting, this is what I was referring to if you wanted to take a look: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1389945713018984

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Thanks JohnaJames for contributing, you understend the mater wery well.
Dr-pois.

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This isnt a pseudoscience, this is all pure science studies.

Natural Phytotherapeutic Antioxidants in the Treatment of Mercury Intoxication-A Review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6156483/

Under findings.
As you can see, mercury is highly imunotoxic.


I noticed in poisers(including me) elevated bleedeng oral mucosa in pois.

Inflammation findings: Inflammation caused by the influence of heavy inorganic mercury causes the tendency to bleed in gingiva and oral mucosa. It increases the salivary secretion, causing sensation of metallic taste in the mouth. Gingiva, a gray line is formed, especially when the oral hygiene is bad.29

Endocrine findings: Thyroid function tests (TFTs) are thought to change levels. (Free-T3 and Free-T4). The most affected hormones by mercury are insulin, estrogen, testosterone and adrenaline.40-43


Neurological system findings: In humans, adverse neurological effects have been reported following high concentration acute mercury vapor inhalation. Generally, perceptual, personal, conceptual, and motor confusion are reported. The most important symptoms are tremor, emotional tenderness, insomnia, memory loss, neuromuscular changes (weakness, muscle atrophy and muscle withdrawal), headache and polyneuropathy.23,31-35 Exposure to mercury compounds at an early stage causes long-lasting and permanent neurobehavioral and neurochemical irregularities. Like Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.36

The elimination of mercury from the body is very difficult...

And meny meny more in thils link...

Dr-pois.

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The pseudoscience:
Mercury is considered by WHO as one of the top ten chemicals or groups of chemicals of major public health concern. .
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mercury-and-health

Mercury is contained in many products, including:

    batteries
    measuring devices, such as thermometers and barometers
    electric switches and relays in equipment
    lamps (including some types of light bulbs)
    dental amalgam (for dental fillings)
    skin-lightening products and other cosmetics
    pharmaceuticals.
Dr-pois.

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Try liposomal glutathione there are many studies which show the chronically ill or even people with autism have very low glutathione stores. So supplementing with NAC isn't good I've tried NAC and liposomal glutathione is a million times better than that is supposed to have 1000x more glutathione than NAC

https://thesupermandiet.com/glutathione/ - good info and read
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28853742

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781167

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Thanks Iwillbeatthis , eny usefull info is gold for us.
Keep reporting.
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