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[Journey]

Buteyko breathing is also very helpful.
Wim Hof + Buteyko is gold combo for pois anxiety

I wonder if increasing the CO2 sensitivity could treat the POIS completely the idea is that by practicing Buteyko whole body cells are more oxygenated due to better CO2 sensitivity and this in turn improves immunity functioning, hormonal functioning, brain functioning, neurological functioning, metabolical functioning, digestion functioning, reproductive functioning, etc.

[lw]

Third day of using Rexepi Combi.
Mood elevated, social anxieties gone.

I strongly advice checking in with Psychiatrists!


I've come to the conclusion that pois can be cured consulting Psychiatrist and Gastroenterologist.

A little question btw: do you have OCD like symptoms? or Maniac episodes?

[lw]

Y'all need Psychiatrist

[Journey]

Y'all need Psychiatrist

Is there any evidence about POIS being a psychological thing? How do you explain that when I was sick with a cold POIS disappeared completely? What about other POISers having it disappear while being sick? And why many cured POIS with antibiotics and probiotics?

[hapl]

I've also noticed that when I'm sick, some of my POIS and CFS symptoms actually improve. When my fever and illness recedes, the symptoms intensify.

And to answer - I have no OCD symptoms, no manic episodes (I assume you meant manic and not maniac), etc. If you found something that works for you - whether it's physiological or psychiatric - that's fantastic. It's a bit dangerous to assume if something works for you, that you have solved POIS for everyone else - and POIS might be 20 different disorders with similar symptoms.

[demografx]

Y'all need [a] Psychiatrist

I strongly advice [sic] checking in with Psychiatrists!

In the 14 years of this forum’s existence, with multiple tens of thousands of forum posts, the conclusion of both POISers and researchers has been *overwhelmingly* a firm rejection of this psychiatric suggestion.  And most often the conclusion of clueless doctors who are simply stumped by POIS symptoms (not taught in Medical School) and can only think of recommending psychiatry, due to a lack of knowledge and imagination.

But I do understand your sentiment, lw. Many of us (including me) have spent countless hours in psychotherapy/psychiatry to no avail. Thanks for your contributions.

[Journey]

I've also noticed that when I'm sick, some of my POIS and CFS symptoms actually improve. When my fever and illness recedes, the symptoms intensify.

And to answer - I have no OCD symptoms, no manic episodes (I assume you meant manic and not maniac), etc. If you found something that works for you - whether it's physiological or psychiatric - that's fantastic. It's a bit dangerous to assume if something works for you, that you have solved POIS for everyone else - and POIS might be 20 different disorders with similar symptoms.

Same for me my POIS improved when I was sick with a cold and as it got healed the POIS reappeared instantly however during that time I had 2 orgasms and 1 nocturnal emission and I literally had none of that mental speed slowdown and other cognitive symptoms like the brain fog I felt very fast in terms of thinking, reaction times, reflexes etc. meanwhile all other times except that one time I do not ever recall being POIS free and having as much mental clarity as I did back then.

[lw]

"sometimes harder to look in eyes"

Hello Journey, It doesn't matter what caused pois, don't you see that low confidence is 100% psychological? Even if you had some kind of strange parasite and no testosterone the fact that you can't look in people's eyes is only psychological.

[Iwillbeatthis]

"sometimes harder to look in eyes"

Hello Journey, It doesn't matter what caused pois, don't you see that low confidence is 100% psychological? Even if you had some kind of strange parasite and no testosterone the fact that you can't look in people's eyes is only psychological.

Actually you are completely wrong, trouble with eye contact is one of the main symptoms of autism, many people in this group have aspergers or display autistic symptoms. The autism could be from mast cell issues or oxidative stress.

[lw]

Autism is also treated by Psychiatrists.

[Iwillbeatthis]

Autism is also treated by Psychiatrists.

A lot of us feel worse on antidepressants or react badly to them, a lot of us have been to psychiatrists including myself with no improvement at all. I think you're on your high horse right now because you've started a new antidepressant a few days ago.

Antidepressants are a trap; you get stuck on them and then you get to a point where you don't know if you feel worse on them or worse if you stop taking them. But I've tried lots of them and I definitely feel much better when I'm off them

[Clues]

lw, I'm gonna assume you're not trolling here.

I've had POIS for 20+ years. At least half my life so far. I've been through a vast range of emotional and psychological states during those years, including a period of depression, during which I took Cipralex. I've also had long periods of happiness and contentment. POIS was present all the way regardless of my overall state of mind.

Additionally, like a lot of other people here, I get cognitive problems as part of my symptom set after triggers such as orgasms and exercise. These include OCD and autism-like symptoms like aversion to eye contact, diminished social skills and noise sensitivity.

Now, imagine going to a psychiatrist and saying: "Hey, I'm autistic and I have OCD, but only some days. Other days I feel normal and function perfectly well." That is way out of scope for them AFAIK, if they even believe you.

Another thing to consider: A lot of people are having aftereffects of Covid-19 that resemble POIS. Would you recommend those people go to a psychiatrist as well?

IMO this is clearly a complex multi-system issue with no easy answers, especially as each case is different. However lw, if you're having success with a psychiatric approach, I'm genuinely happy for you and wish you continued success.

[lw]

lw, I'm gonna assume you're not trolling here.


Now, imagine going to a psychiatrist and saying: "Hey, I'm autistic and I have OCD, but only some days. Other days I feel normal and function perfectly well." That is way out of scope for them AFAIK, if they even believe you.

Another thing to consider: A lot of people are having aftereffects of Covid-19 that resemble POIS. Would you recommend those people go to a psychiatrist as well?

IMO this is clearly a complex multi-system issue with no easy answers, especially as each case is different. However lw, if you're having success with a psychiatric approach, I'm genuinely happy for you and wish you continued success.

Thank you, wish you all the best sir.
Well, OCD/Traumas can be triggered by many unusual things and orgasm can be one of them. I assure you a psychiatrist won't be amazed by much.
I'm not saying that POISers are imagining things. Far from it! but whole brain fog and anxiety affair can be managed by Psychiartic intervention.

Regards, lw

[berlin1984]

but whole brain fog and anxiety affair can be managed by Psychiartic intervention.

Please don't generalize that something that helped for you works for everyone. 

Example: Only yesterday someone posted that his brain fog is from onion FODMAP.
Just google for "probiotic brain fog".
This can be cured by psychiatric intervention, right? The psychiatrist will tell you to not eat onion, that's what Freud and SSRIs are about (sarcasm)

After one day of dropping onions and garlic and only eating low fodmap amounts of certain foods I see a massive reduction in brain fog, social anxiety and autistic symptoms, its like it sorted out a neurotransmitter imbalance and now music is much more enjoyable for me also. I was eating a whole cooked onion with every meal before this diet.

[kid_]

Hi folks,

just wanted to update you a little bit. Mid-January I thought "how much worse can it get" and just started taking 20g Collagen daily. Now two weeks in I miraculously O'd every second day the past week and actually feel very normal. Like no anxiety and depression, no brain fog, normal energy levels and overall I feel pretty normal. With collagen the science doesn't really prove benefits from it but anecdotal evidence of people whom it helped is all over the internet.

The day after O I go grocery shopping or for a run just because I feel like it and not because I have to force myself to do it anymore. Can study and talk very normally all day long. Only the POIS-induced hair loss weirdly hasn't slowed down. Can make normal eye contact now and anyone I encounter doesn't seem to notice a problem with me anymore.

I will continue to take it and keep you posted in another month and long-term when I have stopped taking it. Maybe someone else has taken it for a couple weeks or wants to try it?

Before I took it EMDR really took the depression and flashbacks away as well but now I stopped doing EMDR, Wim Hof and meditating altogether because I feel pretty normal.
 

[Muon]

just started taking 20g Collagen daily. Now two weeks in I miraculously O'd every second day the past week and actually feel very normal. Like no anxiety and depression, no brain fog, normal energy levels and overall I feel pretty normal.

I thought it gave you symptoms? Is the amount correct 20g? What product did you buy and what type(s) of collagen does it contain?

[kid_]

It did and the first week (of 2 now) were pretty POISy - non-stop brain fog, no energy and the vivid-to-nightmarish dreams. But a) my hair loss stopped shortly and b) I've read online that it should be taken 4-6 weeks for it to work. Recommended daily amount is probably 10-15g.


This one
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B071L1MJ9C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You should probably research it yourself beforehand as well
Types 1,2,3

[Muon]

The main ingredient is Glycine which is a NMDA receptor co-agonist. Glutamic acid ---> glutamate which is an NMDA agonist. Other receptors can be involved as well like AMPA and Kainate receptors. You can test this by taking Guaifenisine (Does anyone know how to get this? Let me know). If you react bad to it then it may be the glycine/NMDA interaction that plays a role in your POIS. The diagram below puts glycine in the NMDA antagonism box, I'm confused.

https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/dr-jay-goldsteins-rapid-remission-me-cfs-treatments.34516/page-6#post-582561

[berlin1984]

If you search the forum for "amino acids" or "eggs", you see people having helped by that.

One of my annoying problems is (in POIS) that waking up on next day I have pain everywhere. Did you have this symptom and was it fixed by collagen?

[kid_]

Been eating eggs regularly for breakfast, they dont seem to make a difference
No, sorry. Minimal headaches and joint-clicking only but they went away with collagen. With respect to your age, and as I mentioned before, I would expect more physical pain down the road for myself as well in 5-10y maybe. Physically, dark rings under the eyes and facial changes are gone now though