Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => General Alternative Causes and Treatments of POIS => Topic started by: lw on April 14, 2019, 01:27:20 PM

Title: Got Cured
Post by: lw on April 14, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
Hello,
I was suffering from pois for a long time and have been diagnosed with IBS. I been treating it last 4 months and significantly improved my symptoms.
Symptoms included
- Lose of weight.
After orgasm:
- Bloating and constipation.
- Depression and inability be social.
- Brain fog   

What I would suggest is checking with gastroenterologist.
How I treated pois:
- low FODMAP diet.
- Yoga and stress control.
- I also took antidepresants but I it didn't help me much.
- Probiotics (Necessary!)
- Get enough sleep!
- Work out.

But most of all, I repeat, you should check with gastroenterologist!
You will see changes yourself.
Good Luck!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Nas on April 14, 2019, 01:55:31 PM
If only curing POIS was that simple.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on April 15, 2019, 10:23:00 AM
Yup, that's what I think too now  ;D
Trust me I was on the edge of suicide.
I think for most of the cases, it's IBS.
That's why diet helped Going Less Crazy
or Yoga others, or some thought it was just in our heads.

IBS is connected to stress (which is "cured" by yoga) and Gut flora.
I have read 'Leaky Gut' theories on this forum but IBS is more close to symptoms of pois.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Nas on April 15, 2019, 10:48:05 AM
Stress sounds like a cortisol issue. Maybe the reason why testosterone works for some is that it reduces cortisol levels? Interesting theory.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: demografx on April 15, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
Yes. That’s interesting, Nas.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Hopeoneday on April 15, 2019, 03:54:35 PM
What I would suggest is checking with gastroenterologist.

Hi Iw.
So yours gastro... recomended yoga , probiotics and lowfodmap , or???
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: IWontGiveUp on April 16, 2019, 12:54:03 AM
Stress sounds like a cortisol issue. Maybe the reason why testosterone works for some is that it reduces cortisol levels? Interesting theory.

Thats exactly what I was thinking the last couple of days, I am almost certain that my cortisol levels are high from this lifestyle so TRT would probably ease that but I will try some other cortisol reducing methods soon.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on April 16, 2019, 07:36:14 AM
What I would suggest is checking with gastroenterologist.

Hi Iw.
So yours gastro... recomended yoga , probiotics and lowfodmap , or???

For gut flora he suggested lowfodmap and probiotics
For stress and anxiety(He told me that IBS is called "gut neuroisis") he suggested antidepresants and checking with therapists, which I didn't do sadly.
If I had gone to the therapist, I would have cured my POIS (which turned out to be IBS) faster.
Stress messes with your gut, and yoga is one of the best things which you can do to reduce it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhSJy1gVSAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJbRpHZr_d0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvAx7q2LKqk

Here are some yoga  videos I suggest watching and doing yourself.
IBS explains bloating sounds in your stomach after orgasm too.

I am sure that for most of the cases it's IBS. You can check it yourself:
After orgasm check your stomach and if your gut feels hardened or if eating garlic/onion causes brain fog (not necessarily) than IBS is very likely.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/irritable-bowel-syndrome-ibs/symptoms/ Here is some info about it.
I forgot to mention constant feeling of tiredness and lack of energy which is also symptom of both IBS and POIS and it's what gave some members of the forum "Adrenaline fatigue" idea.

For others I've heard "Sibo theory" which is also partly correct. When there is imbalance in your gut, it's likely that you will have 'bad bacterias' in your gut. Probiotics will solve that problem.

I'm pretty sure I know how to cure pois. I could have started calling myself a doctor, create pseudo-cure-your-pois-website and gain profit, but I'm telling you it's just IBS and it's perfectly manageable  :)


Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Hopeoneday on April 16, 2019, 08:35:27 AM
Are you aware how many people on the planet have ibs? How many people are under constant stress?
Only one orgasm after 20 days of abstinence, cut me to half, cut me into the pelvis, can hardly stand on my feet from weakness, my face is changing, my breath lowers, I get heavy migraine, the nervous system barely holds my body standing, so much weakens.
I've been drinking probiotics for a year, many species tried.
light exercise stretching and yoga I do my whole life.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Nas on April 16, 2019, 02:23:49 PM
Concerning the topic of Cortisol, I'm doing a 600mg Ketoconazole trial. Ketoconazole is used as an anti-androgen for cushings syndrome and prostate cancer. This way cortisol is physiologically inhibited. Ketoconazole is also interesting because it's an anti-fungal medication. So it is also a trial for the Candida theory. Regarding the testosterone theory, it's also inserting because if it made me worst then it can also confirm the testosterone involvement in my case. 
Will update you soon.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Hopeoneday on April 16, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
This is wery good idea to test. I did allways want to try antifungals, because my cronic sinuses problems,
so there is always actiwe inflamation, alergic to fungals i supose,
also elevated cortisol could be  sign that body is constant under inflamation.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: kingfisher on April 17, 2019, 01:54:16 PM
Both IBS and POIS are disorders related to immune system dysfunction. Moreover regarding IBS many studies have confirmed it as a low-grade inflammation of the intestinal mucosa. So it's not a surprise that whatever helps IBS helps POIS as well. And vice-versa too.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: fernab on April 17, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
I also have problems with my gut. In my case, some antibodies against gluten are raising on my body since I began with POIS. Antibodies against gluten. But not all the usual for a celiac desease. Indeed gastroenterologists confirmed me I am not celiac but my inmune system has developed sensitivity to gluten. So I am doing a free gluten diet. But It is true that although I have improved, I keep noticing problems in my gut.... Maybe this FODMAP diet is better than just gluten free diet. But I need to find a professional who knows about it....
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Nas on April 18, 2019, 09:48:49 AM
Alright so I tried ketoconazole for 3 days in a row. Today I tried an 800mg does. Overall it did not help with anything and it made me really low in energy. It's not going to be evidence that cortisol is not involved but it's promising so far.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on April 18, 2019, 12:07:30 PM
I am doing a free gluten diet. But It is true that although I have improved, I keep noticing problems in my gut.... Maybe this FODMAP diet is better than just gluten free diet. But I need to find a professional who knows about it....

This is so relatable. I also started with gluten free diet without noticing any difference. Go full FODMAP (But diet solely won't cure you).

For anxiety and stress, I repeat, yoga is the best choice. I have no idea about cortisol thing, I never took any pills for that.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: demografx on April 18, 2019, 12:57:01 PM
I am doing a free gluten diet. But It is true that although I have improved, I keep noticing problems in my gut.... Maybe this FODMAP diet is better than just gluten free diet. But I need to find a professional who knows about it....

This is so relatable. I also started with gluten free diet without noticing any difference. Go full FODMAP (But diet solely won't cure you).

For anxiety and stress, I repeat, yoga is the best choice. I have no idea about cortisol thing, I never took any pills for that.

Thanks, lw and fernab!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Wolf berry on April 22, 2019, 01:12:21 PM
Hello,
I was suffering from pois for a long time and have been diagnosed with IBS. I been treating it last 4 months and significantly improved my symptoms.
Symptoms included
- Lose of weight.
After orgasm:
- Bloating and constipation.
- Depression and inability be social.
- Brain fog

What I would suggest is checking with gastroenterologist.
How I treated pois:
- low FODMAP diet.
- Yoga and stress control.
- I also took antidepresants but I it didn't help me much.
- Probiotics (Necessary!)
- Get enough sleep!
- Work out.

But most of all, I repeat, you should check with gastroenterologist!
You will see changes yourself.
Good Luck!

If your POIS ( Autoimmune ) is related to gut than change your diet ( eliminates anything that hurt your gut)  the POIS symptoms will subside.. but will come back if you introduce those stuff back.. that?s not cure.. am I wrong??
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: swell on May 02, 2019, 11:04:10 PM
Guys it makes total sense, why are you all stary eyed shocked ::) :o   "Stress" is the culprit, we know that, you all should know that.  Stress, combined with environmental factors, combined with your biological predilections (genetics) is what auto-immune diseases are.  Stress is the "trigger".  That is how we developed POIS.   Now everyone has a different appetite for tolerating stress before we succumb to an auto-immune illness.  'lw' has cured his stress through yoga, I believe it.  'lw' through his very nic demonstrates that he is not very complex (good trait), I mean how simple a nic can be than just 'lw'?, and guess what taking yoga, fixed his chronic stress, which fixed his gut, and that fixed his POIS.  That makes sense.  Now for me, I'm overly complicated person, you put me in yoga or you put in the mouth of a shark (or whale) it aint gonna budge my stress, and I guess for most of you :)     


I am doing a free gluten diet. But It is true that although I have improved, I keep noticing problems in my gut.... Maybe this FODMAP diet is better than just gluten free diet. But I need to find a professional who knows about it....

This is so relatable. I also started with gluten free diet without noticing any difference. Go full FODMAP (But diet solely won't cure you).

For anxiety and stress, I repeat, yoga is the best choice. I have no idea about cortisol thing, I never took any pills for that.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: demografx on May 03, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
Stress is the "trigger".  That is how we developed POIS.
You think stress causes POIS? Interesting.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on May 04, 2019, 06:46:01 AM
Stress is the "trigger".  That is how we developed POIS.
You think stress causes POIS? Interesting.

I agree. Stress is main reason for IBS. No matter how hard you work, try to be mindful, meditate, do yoga, socialize, hug more, stay away from internet (even if you work as a programmer, including myself).  I would suggest also keeping a diary to control your cognitive life.

One thing that interests me is - have you had problems with gaining weight recently? Please respond  :)
There are some questions I would like to ask members of this forum, what do you suggest, where and how should I do that?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on May 04, 2019, 06:50:40 AM
Hello,
I was suffering from pois for a long time and have been diagnosed with IBS. I been treating it last 4 months and significantly improved my symptoms.
Symptoms included
- Lose of weight.
After orgasm:
- Bloating and constipation.
- Depression and inability be social.
- Brain fog

What I would suggest is checking with gastroenterologist.
How I treated pois:
- low FODMAP diet.
- Yoga and stress control.
- I also took antidepresants but I it didn't help me much.
- Probiotics (Necessary!)
- Get enough sleep!
- Work out.

But most of all, I repeat, you should check with gastroenterologist!
You will see changes yourself.
Good Luck!

If your POIS ( Autoimmune ) is related to gut than change your diet ( eliminates anything that hurt your gut)  the POIS symptoms will subside.. but will come back if you introduce those stuff back.. that?s not cure.. am I wrong??

Yes you are. After you gut is healed (which will take some time) you can reintroduce your food confidently. Symptoms will be vanished. That's how IBS is treated.

Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: thesuffering on May 09, 2019, 03:11:30 AM
Yup, that's what I think too now  ;D
Trust me I was on the edge of suicide.
I think for most of the cases, it's IBS.
That's why diet helped Going Less Crazy
or Yoga others, or some thought it was just in our heads.

IBS is connected to stress (which is "cured" by yoga) and Gut flora.
I have read 'Leaky Gut' theories on this forum but IBS is more close to symptoms of pois.

I just posted a similar cure I found a week ago using Apple Cider Vinegar along with Coconut Oil.  Like you I pretty much gave up hope of ever getting my health back but I'm still in shock how radical the change has been for me.  I had chronic IBS-C and I used Psyllium Husk daily with marginal relief and now bam..no more bloat and a big change in my bowel habits too.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: aswinpras06 on May 09, 2019, 03:37:48 AM
Yup, that's what I think too now  ;D
Trust me I was on the edge of suicide.
I think for most of the cases, it's IBS.
That's why diet helped Going Less Crazy
or Yoga others, or some thought it was just in our heads.

IBS is connected to stress (which is "cured" by yoga) and Gut flora.
I have read 'Leaky Gut' theories on this forum but IBS is more close to symptoms of pois.

I just posted a similar cure I found a week ago using Apple Cider Vinegar along with Coconut Oil.  Like you I pretty much gave up hope of ever getting my health back but I'm still in shock how radical the change has been for me.  I had chronic IBS-C and I used Psyllium Husk daily with marginal relief and now bam..no more bloat and a big change in my bowel habits too.

Hi
Thesuffering

Very nice to hear that you've found a cure.  Congrats!!

Can you explain about your acv ,coconut oil treatment method.  Like how many times you had them daily, before food or after food etc.  It will be very helpful for many of our members.  Also unlike medicines these are actually good for our overall health also.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: thesuffering on May 09, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
I started by taking 2 tablespoons of coconut oil one Friday morning.  I noticed the following day that it caused an odd kind of bowel movement, soft oddly shaped.  I then started feeling the herxheimer effect.  Luckily I read that I can expect to feel off if I was indeed overrun with bacteria.  That whole weekend I felt severe flu-like symptoms.  Body aches, fatigue, ringing in my ears, no sinus symptoms though.  I then decided to get hold of some more natural antimicrobial concoctions.  I downed a tablespoon of ACV before having a light lunch on the Sunday.  Shortly after taking that I felt the worst I've felt in years.  Felt like I was gonna convulse and have a panic attack.  It was hard, but I managed to drink some water and started feeling better.  I then DRASTICALLY started feeling better by the evening.  Felt mental clarity of the scope I haven't felt in 7 years.  Didn't sleep much that night though but from the research I did it can happen as your body is dealing with its new microbiome(sleep is still a bit of a problem to this day).
Come Monday I noticed a feeling of calm and vitality and this was when I experimented to see what my POIS symptoms are like.  They were GONE.  Same thing on Tuesday.

This all happened not long ago and I'm still using Coconut Oil, ACV and I introduced Origanum Oil,Garlic Oil too.  I don't get such a strong herx effect no more, but I still get spouts of inflammation attacks.  I used to rely solely on Pharmaceuticals for any ailments and a year back I would grab a NSAID to deal with the inflammation.  I gave it all up and went all naturelle.  Turmeric is as good of an anti-inflammatory as any decent pill I've tried before.  The plan is to keep on doing this for about 2 months and then lessen the amounts of antimicrobials I'm taking, then only I'll introduce some Probiotics to my diet.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: joelawerence on May 23, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
Is this still working for you? Most treatments initially work for a month and then wear off. How long has this cure been for and is it as effective as it was at your peak?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: demografx on May 23, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
joelawerence, excellent point.

We’ve all seen the “placebo effect” take place with POIS treatments!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on May 29, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
Is this still working for you? Most treatments initially work for a month and then wear off. How long has this cure been for and is it as effective as it was at your peak?

If you're asking me, yes it still works and symptoms have been reduced even more.
One thing I would like to point out is you have to stop worrying about anything, ease yourself, calm your mind. This will ease your harden gut and it'll stop producing toxics.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on March 01, 2020, 01:15:47 PM
I should also add an apple vinegar to the list of cures.
It basically removes bad microbes from your gut and improves your fungus nerves.   
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on November 22, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
Okay,
I'm 100% cured.
I will write about it someday.
Only problem is no one is listening to me  ;D

I should clarify that you'll need to stay away from vinegar

Here's a quick tip to find out if you can be cured with similar cure like me.

Eat only boiled potato/meat for 3 days.
Than buy and start drinking "Aloe Vera Juice for IBS"
And do IBS yoga.
If that helps you with your symptoms than I know the cure. You have the similar story :)

Three Things:

Stay away from porn for your whole life. Masturbate once in a week and and use only imagination
Go to bed early and stay away from computer/phone before sleep
Start exercising


Also you guys really need to see a therapist cause It's deeply connected with Anxiety/Depression
(But don't worry it will be cured)


And here comes the MAIN CURE
SEE GASTROENTEROLOGIST
you need antibiotic therapy for removing bad microbes.
Also you need to fix your gut.

I managed to cure my shit in Third World Country, it might be easier in yours

And last, be grateful for life, everything will be alright :)

Peace.

P.S. Here's my discord
enqidu
#9904

Find me and ask questions.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Muon on November 22, 2020, 03:36:20 PM
Reminds me of MCAS patients where some of them only have to avoid stress triggers.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: drop247 on November 22, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
What antibiotic did you use?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: BoneBroth on November 22, 2020, 05:54:56 PM
I'm working hard on my gut with the help of a FODMAP-Therapist. I have been diagnosed with SIBO.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on November 29, 2020, 01:01:20 AM
I didn't just take antibiotics - It would blow my gut. I was on heavy medication-filled diet, taking more than 15-types of pills. - Antibiotics, Probiotics, pills for protecting gut, liver,
Ferments, Bismuth subcitrate, esomeprazole etc.

For anxiety and depression which I suspect all of you guys have I would recommend:
Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy: David D. Burns
https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New-Mood-Therapy/dp/0380810336



 
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on November 29, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
I have one question for you guys.
Do you fart a lot?
I'm serious. IBS and gut anxiety is connected to farting. I felt IBS symptoms when by gut was filled with gas.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: BoneBroth on November 29, 2020, 03:15:43 PM
:) Not alot, but the smell is really bad if I eat alot. I'm on a stage in my SIBO plan now where I supplement with probiotics. Are you bloating and does your belly sound like hollow if you clap it with your hands? Then there is probably air in the small intestine that does not get out. And the gas is produces by bad bacteria.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: kid_ on December 30, 2020, 05:45:23 AM
Hi there,

low fodmap seems to work for me too.

My background
22yo and pretty stressful last 10y at least with a gaslighting/bullying brother and high academic pressure. Physically speaking I was also long term sleep deprived. Similar to most I think POIS fully developed at least during puberty, with symptoms mainly cognitive (depression, anxiety, brain fog). Physically, periods of hair loss are well correlated with O's. Im balding with 22yo even though I am currently stress-free, work out and sleep pretty normally for the last couple months.
Unsuccessfully tried many supplements here on this forum, but only ginger made a big difference.

My theory
Someone here hit home describing POIS as O causing "tryptophan breakdown". While many here overthink the process down to a nuclear level, the main thing to understand is the following: tryptophan -> serotonin -> melatonin
Basically, my stress-damaged gut tolerates less stress (which O's are to some extent) and with every O tryptophan is not digested properly/destroyed in mythe gut. See these links:
http://www.balancedgrub.com/constipation-motility/slow-gut-and-unhappy-you
http://whole9life.com/2014/11/food-mood-fodmaps/

With missing tryptophan, serotonin and melatonin aren't produced properly leading to depression and sleep troubles. You also can't just take tryptophan supplements because it's broken down again/"eliminated" in your body with every O.
Why am I so sure of the theory and of this in general? Just take collagen. (Collagen is popular with "leaky gut" people even though the science behind it is lacking) Nevertheless, collagen is used in science to clinically simulate depression (its effect on the brain). How? Well, collagen/gelating causes tryptophan depletion(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15084421/). Having taken collagen once, the immediate effects/impact on my body/brain felt EXACTLY like POIS, like if I had just had an O (which I hadn't for 2 weeks though)... Got depressed, anxious and foggy again with bad sleep.

My FODMAP experience
After ginger, the gut-relation seemed pretty prominent so I started no/low FODMAP diet for 6 weeks (week 5 now) just for fun and the change is tremendous (with ups and downs though normally). I am doing a strict elimination diet basically just eating eggs, meat, fish, greens, carrots, and paprika (rarely ginger) disallowing for any other foods diluting the diets effects (nuts, fruit).

POIS is 99% gone  which is insane because no single suggested treatment on this forum apparently eliminated mental effects completely except for IBS-related treatments as far as I know. Additionally, my previous "clinical depression" is gone completely as well. And the best health indicator for physical effects: Hair loss, is also gone. This change got rid of my brain fog finally (even non-POIS related) and the overall adjustment is relatively minor (diet).
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Hopeoneday on December 30, 2020, 06:31:31 AM
Intresting, keto diet is bad for me.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Mushnikk on December 30, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Hi there,

low fodmap seems to work for me too.

My background
22yo and pretty stressful last 10y at least with a gaslighting/bullying brother and high academic pressure. Physically speaking I was also long term sleep deprived. Similar to most I think POIS fully developed at least during puberty, with symptoms mainly cognitive (depression, anxiety, brain fog). Physically, periods of hair loss are well correlated with O's. Im balding with 22yo even though I am currently stress-free, work out and sleep pretty normally for the last couple months.
Unsuccessfully tried many supplements here on this forum, but only ginger made a big difference.

My theory
Someone here hit home describing POIS as O causing "tryptophan breakdown". While many here overthink the process down to a nuclear level, the main thing to understand is the following: tryptophan -> serotonin -> melatonin
Basically, my stress-damaged gut tolerates less stress (which O's are to some extent) and with every O tryptophan is not digested properly/destroyed in mythe gut. See these links:
http://www.balancedgrub.com/constipation-motility/slow-gut-and-unhappy-you
http://whole9life.com/2014/11/food-mood-fodmaps/

With missing tryptophan, serotonin and melatonin aren't produced properly leading to depression and sleep troubles. You also can't just take tryptophan supplements because it's broken down again/"eliminated" in your body with every O.
Why am I so sure of the theory and of this in general? Just take collagen. (Collagen is popular with "leaky gut" people even though the science behind it is lacking) Nevertheless, collagen is used in science to clinically simulate depression (its effect on the brain). How? Well, collagen/gelating causes tryptophan depletion(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15084421/). Having taken collagen once, the immediate effects/impact on my body/brain felt EXACTLY like POIS, like if I had just had an O (which I hadn't for 2 weeks though)... Got depressed, anxious and foggy again with bad sleep.

My FODMAP experience
After ginger, the gut-relation seemed pretty prominent so I started no/low FODMAP diet for 6 weeks (week 5 now) just for fun and the change is tremendous (with ups and downs though normally). I am doing a strict elimination diet basically just eating eggs, meat, fish, greens, carrots, and paprika (rarely ginger) disallowing for any other foods diluting the diets effects (nuts, fruit).

POIS is 99% gone  which is insane because no single suggested treatment on this forum apparently eliminated mental effects completely except for IBS-related treatments as far as I know. Additionally, my previous "clinical depression" is gone completely as well. And the best health indicator for physical effects: Hair loss, is also gone. This change got rid of my brain fog finally (even non-POIS related) and the overall adjustment is relatively minor (diet).

So, you basically are doing a low-carb-high-fat (ketogenic) diet?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Quantum on December 30, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Hi there,

low fodmap seems to work for me too.

My background
22yo and pretty stressful last 10y at least with a gaslighting/bullying brother and high academic pressure. Physically speaking I was also long term sleep deprived. Similar to most I think POIS fully developed at least during puberty, with symptoms mainly cognitive (depression, anxiety, brain fog). Physically, periods of hair loss are well correlated with O's. Im balding with 22yo even though I am currently stress-free, work out and sleep pretty normally for the last couple months.
Unsuccessfully tried many supplements here on this forum, but only ginger made a big difference.

My theory
Someone here hit home describing POIS as O causing "tryptophan breakdown". While many here overthink the process down to a nuclear level, the main thing to understand is the following: tryptophan -> serotonin -> melatonin
Basically, my stress-damaged gut tolerates less stress (which O's are to some extent) and with every O tryptophan is not digested properly/destroyed in mythe gut. See these links:
http://www.balancedgrub.com/constipation-motility/slow-gut-and-unhappy-you (http://www.balancedgrub.com/constipation-motility/slow-gut-and-unhappy-you)
http://whole9life.com/2014/11/food-mood-fodmaps/ (http://whole9life.com/2014/11/food-mood-fodmaps/)

With missing tryptophan, serotonin and melatonin aren't produced properly leading to depression and sleep troubles. You also can't just take tryptophan supplements because it's broken down again/"eliminated" in your body with every O.
Why am I so sure of the theory and of this in general? Just take collagen. (Collagen is popular with "leaky gut" people even though the science behind it is lacking) Nevertheless, collagen is used in science to clinically simulate depression (its effect on the brain). How? Well, collagen/gelating causes tryptophan depletion(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15084421/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15084421/)). Having taken collagen once, the immediate effects/impact on my body/brain felt EXACTLY like POIS, like if I had just had an O (which I hadn't for 2 weeks though)... Got depressed, anxious and foggy again with bad sleep.

My FODMAP experience
After ginger, the gut-relation seemed pretty prominent so I started no/low FODMAP diet for 6 weeks (week 5 now) just for fun and the change is tremendous (with ups and downs though normally). I am doing a strict elimination diet basically just eating eggs, meat, fish, greens, carrots, and paprika (rarely ginger) disallowing for any other foods diluting the diets effects (nuts, fruit).

POIS is 99% gone  which is insane because no single suggested treatment on this forum apparently eliminated mental effects completely except for IBS-related treatments as far as I know. Additionally, my previous "clinical depression" is gone completely as well. And the best health indicator for physical effects: Hair loss, is also gone. This change got rid of my brain fog finally (even non-POIS related) and the overall adjustment is relatively minor (diet).
Hi Kid, thanks for sharing.  Let me know in a couple of months if you are still POIS-free ( or almost POIS-free), I would like to add your diet in the diet section of my chart of POIS Types ( at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 ).  It would be interesting to underline that you had POIS-like symptoms when taking collagen, which could be a hint to predict if someone else could benefit or not from this diet.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 08, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
I'm happy for you kid, good luck!

Another question, I'm deadly serious:
Did you guys worry about things in early years after you orgasmed? Like "I smell bad, I'm bad dirty wanker" etc. Did you suffer from humiliations?
I think there are connections.

You guys need to treat stress and anxiety and heal your gut. That worked for me
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 08, 2021, 04:21:43 PM
Oh and also, Wim Hof works pretty well!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: berlin1984 on January 08, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
POIS is 99% gone  which is insane because no single suggested treatment on this forum apparently eliminated mental effects completely except for IBS-related treatments as far as I know. Additionally, my previous "clinical depression" is gone completely as well. And the best health indicator for physical effects: Hair loss, is also gone. This change got rid of my brain fog finally (even non-POIS related) and the overall adjustment is relatively minor (diet).

May I ask if you had bad physical symptoms (like bone pain when weaking up on next day, strong tiredness some hours later, ...) too?

If you go into re-introduction phase of FODMAP, can you pinpoint the problem to one of the specific letters of "FODMAP"?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: drop247 on January 09, 2021, 12:00:28 AM
I'm curious about what antibiotics you took, lw?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 09, 2021, 11:02:27 AM
Yes sir,
I was tired and in strong pain for 5 days streak. I spoke differently and I couldn't feel things. Life was just a dream, bad, grey dream and I know how you feel.

Now,
I'm strongly sure it's anxiety + bad bacterias that stored trauma in the gut.
You need to clean from bacteria and treat your mental health.

For me, before I started healing my gut different things worked:
Fenugreek as it increases testosterone and lowers cortisol.
Poetry and spirituality because it helps with stress.
Anti-Histamines because most of medicaments have additional pain-easer that relieves the pain.

I don't think there are that many kinds of POIS as I have seen in many threads. Most of them are stress+ anxiety + bad bacteria.
I did experience neck pain after orgasm and I think it's related to vagus nerve. That nerve was mostly excited because of bacterial imbalance.

I took many kinds of antibiotics, rifaximin didn't work for me. I think the best one was amoxicillin.
But it must be decided by doctor.

Don't stress, and check in with gastroenterologist .
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 13, 2021, 11:02:24 AM
Cold shower and cold water onto stomach and genitals and neck might ease your symptoms.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Journey on January 13, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
Yes sir,
I was tired and in strong pain for 5 days streak. I spoke differently and I couldn't feel things. Life was just a dream, bad, grey dream and I know how you feel.

Now,
I'm strongly sure it's anxiety + bad bacterias that stored trauma in the gut.
You need to clean from bacteria and treat your mental health.

For me, before I started healing my gut different things worked:
Fenugreek as it increases testosterone and lowers cortisol.
Poetry and spirituality because it helps with stress.
Anti-Histamines because most of medicaments have additional pain-easer that relieves the pain.

I don't think there are that many kinds of POIS as I have seen in many threads. Most of them are stress+ anxiety + bad bacteria.
I did experience neck pain after orgasm and I think it's related to vagus nerve. That nerve was mostly excited because of bacterial imbalance.

I took many kinds of antibiotics, rifaximin didn't work for me. I think the best one was amoxicillin.
But it must be decided by doctor.

Don't stress, and check in with gastroenterologist .
Amoxicilin cured POIS for the John21
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 13, 2021, 05:22:08 PM
And this guy said Amoxicillin plus Penicillin helped him https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2007.msg17459#msg17459 so thats three people who have gotten better with Amoxicillin. More of us should try it, I will order some myself next time I do an order from one of these foreign pharmacies.

I asked my POIS dr around two years ago for Amoxicillin when I had seen one of these posts and he wouldn't prescribe it as apparently its too strong and would wipe out my gut bacteria...
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Aladin on January 14, 2021, 07:35:28 AM
please report back to us!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 14, 2021, 11:57:13 AM
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Journey on January 14, 2021, 01:32:27 PM
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me
Did your POIS disappear afterwards?
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 14, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me

Yes I agree with you I think for most people in here its not as simple as taking one magic pill to cure everything, especially those who have had POIS for much longer. A complementary therapy is also needed such as: a limbic system retraining programme: DNRS or Gupta, physiotherapy exercises to correct the spine, neck and pelvis, either The perrin technique or Alexander technique,  daily meditation practice and Yin yoga.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: Muon on January 14, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.

Antibacterial Activity of Magnolol and Honokiol in Combination with Antibiotics (https://www.koreascience.or.kr/article/JAKO200003041288227.page)

Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 15, 2021, 04:15:16 AM
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me
Did your POIS disappear afterwards?

It last for 2 hours currently.
Went from 5 days streak of hell to this. I think now it's case of psychiatrists cause I have some kind of PTSD on orgasm.
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: kid_ on January 15, 2021, 04:25:09 AM
Hi guys,

sorry to post again. Like probably many "cures", my diet didn't heal me completely (shocker) but still (1) eased symptoms substantially (still >50%) - would recommend including all fruits and veggies to make it sustainable longterm (2) made me much more aware of where the problems are coming from.

So, while I would say this diet makes it possible to have a normal life with POIS, what seems to be the problem for me is psychologically; I never thought all this chemical talk makes sense anyway. In my opinion, O's are not even the big problem but, as often mentioned on this forum, we get rises in adrenaline and cortisol etc when O'ing.

Psychologically speaking, and I really think you should ponder whether this makes sense for you personally as well, I have so-called Amygdala hijacks upon arousal/masturbating/porn/O (completely unrelated to which type), basically a "typical flashback" that triggers and puts me into a "emotional flashback", which lasts several (<5) days. Background being because of my very stressful and abused childhood I (very) often turned to masturbate in order to exit this miserable reality and get a serotonin push. Now I think that this childhood trauma attached itself to my O's and brings back all this trauma with flashbacks everytime I O.

By accident I have been meditating and doing the Wim Hoff method a lot, which apparently give you more control over these Amygdala escalations and that's also why I have been improving lately. If I am right at all, the key to healing from these Amygdala hijacks is neuroplasticity, which is also the core of the DNRS program btw.
So besides Wim Hof & meditating, playing piano, juggling, "Dual N Back"-app, sudokus, reading, quizzes and similar (all tasks that increase neuroplasticity), all really increased my mental clarity and helped my gain more control over my psychological symptoms (amygdala basically).

As I am aging (23yo) POIS symptoms increasingly deteriorate my body, and I really think all these physical problems (pain, spasms etc. ) many Poisers describe here on the forum will be part of the package for me and everyone else here down the road as well.

Long story short:
Still recommend the low fodmap diet, reversed a lot of physical POIS effects, but I think Amygdala hijacks are causing symptoms for me not O's, because I basically get half a stroke upon arousal from adrenaline, cortisol etc which stresses the body and puts my brain into a coma for a few days ("emotional flashback").

Would really like to hear your feedback about this and whether you maybe also had "traumas" somewhere in your life that triggered POIS as you know it.

 
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 15, 2021, 04:32:00 AM
Hi guys,

sorry to post again. Like probably many "cures", my diet didn't heal me completely (shocker) but still (1) eased symptoms substantially (still >50%) - would recommend including all fruits and veggies to make it sustainable longterm (2) made me much more aware of where the problems are coming from.

So, while I would say this diet makes it possible to have a normal life with POIS, what seems to be the problem for me is psychologically; I never thought all this chemical talk makes sense anyway. In my opinion, O's are not even the big problem but, as often mentioned on this forum, we get rises in adrenaline and cortisol etc when O'ing.

Psychologically speaking, and I really think you should ponder whether this makes sense for you personally as well, I have so-called Amygdala hijacks upon arousal/masturbating/porn/O (completely unrelated to which type), basically a "typical flashback" that triggers and puts me into a "emotional flashback", which lasts several (<5) days. Background being because of my very stressful and abused childhood I (very) often turned to masturbate in order to exit this miserable reality and get a serotonin push. Now I think that this childhood trauma attached itself to my O's and brings back all this trauma with flashbacks everytime I O.

By accident I have been meditating and doing the Wim Hoff method a lot, which apparently give you more control over these Amygdala escalations and that's also why I have been improving lately. If I am right at all, the key to healing from these Amygdala hijacks is neuroplasticity, which is also the core of the DNRS program btw.
So besides Wim Hof & meditating, playing piano, juggling, "Dual N Back"-app, sudokus, reading, quizzes and similar (all tasks that increase neuroplasticity), all really increased my mental clarity and helped my gain more control over my psychological symptoms (amygdala basically).

As I am aging (23yo) POIS symptoms increasingly deteriorate my body, and I really think all these physical problems (pain, spasms etc. ) many Poisers describe here on the forum will be part of the package for me and everyone else here down the road as well.

Long story short:
Still recommend the low fodmap diet, reversed a lot of physical POIS effects, but I think Amygdala hijacks are causing symptoms for me not O's, because I basically get half a stroke upon arousal from adrenaline, cortisol etc which stresses the body and puts my brain into a coma for a few days ("emotional flashback").

Would really like to hear your feedback about this and whether you maybe also had "traumas" somewhere in your life that triggered POIS as you know it.

 

Hello kid,
still it's a good to hear that you're improving. Yes I agree I also think that POIS is triggered by trauma and it upsets guts.
Emotional traumas connected with Orgasm this must be investigated more.
CBT also helped me a lot I, must admit.
Good Luck!
Title: Re: Got Cured
Post by: lw on January 15, 2021, 09:09:11 AM
Also, Has anyone observed effect of PLACEBO on pois?
I mean I have seen many cases of "cures" that work at start but stop working afterwords.
Is is possible that POIS is largely psychological? This is what I've been thinking lately. (Healing gut still necessary)