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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2021, 04:21:43 PM »
Oh and also, Wim Hof works pretty well!

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2021, 04:48:24 PM »
POIS is 99% gone  which is insane because no single suggested treatment on this forum apparently eliminated mental effects completely except for IBS-related treatments as far as I know. Additionally, my previous "clinical depression" is gone completely as well. And the best health indicator for physical effects: Hair loss, is also gone. This change got rid of my brain fog finally (even non-POIS related) and the overall adjustment is relatively minor (diet).

May I ask if you had bad physical symptoms (like bone pain when weaking up on next day, strong tiredness some hours later, ...) too?

If you go into re-introduction phase of FODMAP, can you pinpoint the problem to one of the specific letters of "FODMAP"?

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2021, 12:00:28 AM »
I'm curious about what antibiotics you took, lw?

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2021, 11:02:27 AM »
Yes sir,
I was tired and in strong pain for 5 days streak. I spoke differently and I couldn't feel things. Life was just a dream, bad, grey dream and I know how you feel.

Now,
I'm strongly sure it's anxiety + bad bacterias that stored trauma in the gut.
You need to clean from bacteria and treat your mental health.

For me, before I started healing my gut different things worked:
Fenugreek as it increases testosterone and lowers cortisol.
Poetry and spirituality because it helps with stress.
Anti-Histamines because most of medicaments have additional pain-easer that relieves the pain.

I don't think there are that many kinds of POIS as I have seen in many threads. Most of them are stress+ anxiety + bad bacteria.
I did experience neck pain after orgasm and I think it's related to vagus nerve. That nerve was mostly excited because of bacterial imbalance.

I took many kinds of antibiotics, rifaximin didn't work for me. I think the best one was amoxicillin.
But it must be decided by doctor.

Don't stress, and check in with gastroenterologist .

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2021, 11:02:24 AM »
Cold shower and cold water onto stomach and genitals and neck might ease your symptoms.

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2021, 02:05:36 PM »
Yes sir,
I was tired and in strong pain for 5 days streak. I spoke differently and I couldn't feel things. Life was just a dream, bad, grey dream and I know how you feel.

Now,
I'm strongly sure it's anxiety + bad bacterias that stored trauma in the gut.
You need to clean from bacteria and treat your mental health.

For me, before I started healing my gut different things worked:
Fenugreek as it increases testosterone and lowers cortisol.
Poetry and spirituality because it helps with stress.
Anti-Histamines because most of medicaments have additional pain-easer that relieves the pain.

I don't think there are that many kinds of POIS as I have seen in many threads. Most of them are stress+ anxiety + bad bacteria.
I did experience neck pain after orgasm and I think it's related to vagus nerve. That nerve was mostly excited because of bacterial imbalance.

I took many kinds of antibiotics, rifaximin didn't work for me. I think the best one was amoxicillin.
But it must be decided by doctor.

Don't stress, and check in with gastroenterologist .
Amoxicilin cured POIS for the John21

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2021, 05:22:08 PM »
And this guy said Amoxicillin plus Penicillin helped him https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2007.msg17459#msg17459 so thats three people who have gotten better with Amoxicillin. More of us should try it, I will order some myself next time I do an order from one of these foreign pharmacies.

I asked my POIS dr around two years ago for Amoxicillin when I had seen one of these posts and he wouldn't prescribe it as apparently its too strong and would wipe out my gut bacteria...

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2021, 07:35:28 AM »
please report back to us!

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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2021, 11:57:13 AM »
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2021, 01:32:27 PM »
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me
Did your POIS disappear afterwards?

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2021, 01:40:37 PM »
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me

Yes I agree with you I think for most people in here its not as simple as taking one magic pill to cure everything, especially those who have had POIS for much longer. A complementary therapy is also needed such as: a limbic system retraining programme: DNRS or Gupta, physiotherapy exercises to correct the spine, neck and pelvis, either The perrin technique or Alexander technique,  daily meditation practice and Yin yoga.

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2021, 01:53:25 PM »

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2021, 04:15:16 AM »
I don't think taking only amoxycilin is a good idea.
I repeat:
You need to heal your gut and also reduce stress!
I think you all might have some kind of neurosis which is upsetting your gut. That was certainly case for me
Did your POIS disappear afterwards?

It last for 2 hours currently.
Went from 5 days streak of hell to this. I think now it's case of psychiatrists cause I have some kind of PTSD on orgasm.

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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2021, 04:25:09 AM »
Hi guys,

sorry to post again. Like probably many "cures", my diet didn't heal me completely (shocker) but still (1) eased symptoms substantially (still >50%) - would recommend including all fruits and veggies to make it sustainable longterm (2) made me much more aware of where the problems are coming from.

So, while I would say this diet makes it possible to have a normal life with POIS, what seems to be the problem for me is psychologically; I never thought all this chemical talk makes sense anyway. In my opinion, O's are not even the big problem but, as often mentioned on this forum, we get rises in adrenaline and cortisol etc when O'ing.

Psychologically speaking, and I really think you should ponder whether this makes sense for you personally as well, I have so-called Amygdala hijacks upon arousal/masturbating/porn/O (completely unrelated to which type), basically a "typical flashback" that triggers and puts me into a "emotional flashback", which lasts several (<5) days. Background being because of my very stressful and abused childhood I (very) often turned to masturbate in order to exit this miserable reality and get a serotonin push. Now I think that this childhood trauma attached itself to my O's and brings back all this trauma with flashbacks everytime I O.

By accident I have been meditating and doing the Wim Hoff method a lot, which apparently give you more control over these Amygdala escalations and that's also why I have been improving lately. If I am right at all, the key to healing from these Amygdala hijacks is neuroplasticity, which is also the core of the DNRS program btw.
So besides Wim Hof & meditating, playing piano, juggling, "Dual N Back"-app, sudokus, reading, quizzes and similar (all tasks that increase neuroplasticity), all really increased my mental clarity and helped my gain more control over my psychological symptoms (amygdala basically).

As I am aging (23yo) POIS symptoms increasingly deteriorate my body, and I really think all these physical problems (pain, spasms etc. ) many Poisers describe here on the forum will be part of the package for me and everyone else here down the road as well.

Long story short:
Still recommend the low fodmap diet, reversed a lot of physical POIS effects, but I think Amygdala hijacks are causing symptoms for me not O's, because I basically get half a stroke upon arousal from adrenaline, cortisol etc which stresses the body and puts my brain into a coma for a few days ("emotional flashback").

Would really like to hear your feedback about this and whether you maybe also had "traumas" somewhere in your life that triggered POIS as you know it.

 
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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2021, 04:32:00 AM »
Hi guys,

sorry to post again. Like probably many "cures", my diet didn't heal me completely (shocker) but still (1) eased symptoms substantially (still >50%) - would recommend including all fruits and veggies to make it sustainable longterm (2) made me much more aware of where the problems are coming from.

So, while I would say this diet makes it possible to have a normal life with POIS, what seems to be the problem for me is psychologically; I never thought all this chemical talk makes sense anyway. In my opinion, O's are not even the big problem but, as often mentioned on this forum, we get rises in adrenaline and cortisol etc when O'ing.

Psychologically speaking, and I really think you should ponder whether this makes sense for you personally as well, I have so-called Amygdala hijacks upon arousal/masturbating/porn/O (completely unrelated to which type), basically a "typical flashback" that triggers and puts me into a "emotional flashback", which lasts several (<5) days. Background being because of my very stressful and abused childhood I (very) often turned to masturbate in order to exit this miserable reality and get a serotonin push. Now I think that this childhood trauma attached itself to my O's and brings back all this trauma with flashbacks everytime I O.

By accident I have been meditating and doing the Wim Hoff method a lot, which apparently give you more control over these Amygdala escalations and that's also why I have been improving lately. If I am right at all, the key to healing from these Amygdala hijacks is neuroplasticity, which is also the core of the DNRS program btw.
So besides Wim Hof & meditating, playing piano, juggling, "Dual N Back"-app, sudokus, reading, quizzes and similar (all tasks that increase neuroplasticity), all really increased my mental clarity and helped my gain more control over my psychological symptoms (amygdala basically).

As I am aging (23yo) POIS symptoms increasingly deteriorate my body, and I really think all these physical problems (pain, spasms etc. ) many Poisers describe here on the forum will be part of the package for me and everyone else here down the road as well.

Long story short:
Still recommend the low fodmap diet, reversed a lot of physical POIS effects, but I think Amygdala hijacks are causing symptoms for me not O's, because I basically get half a stroke upon arousal from adrenaline, cortisol etc which stresses the body and puts my brain into a coma for a few days ("emotional flashback").

Would really like to hear your feedback about this and whether you maybe also had "traumas" somewhere in your life that triggered POIS as you know it.

 

Hello kid,
still it's a good to hear that you're improving. Yes I agree I also think that POIS is triggered by trauma and it upsets guts.
Emotional traumas connected with Orgasm this must be investigated more.
CBT also helped me a lot I, must admit.
Good Luck!

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2021, 09:09:11 AM »
Also, Has anyone observed effect of PLACEBO on pois?
I mean I have seen many cases of "cures" that work at start but stop working afterwords.
Is is possible that POIS is largely psychological? This is what I've been thinking lately. (Healing gut still necessary)

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2021, 02:04:23 PM »
Dunno if anyone reads this but Wim Hoffing before and after eating and orgasm diminishes symptoms greatly.

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2021, 05:29:30 AM »
Yes sir,
I was tired and in strong pain for 5 days streak. I spoke differently and I couldn't feel things. Life was just a dream, bad, grey dream and I know how you feel.

Now,
I'm strongly sure it's anxiety + bad bacterias that stored trauma in the gut.
You need to clean from bacteria and treat your mental health.

For me, before I started healing my gut different things worked:
Fenugreek as it increases testosterone and lowers cortisol.
Poetry and spirituality because it helps with stress.
Anti-Histamines because most of medicaments have additional pain-easer that relieves the pain.

I don't think there are that many kinds of POIS as I have seen in many threads. Most of them are stress+ anxiety + bad bacteria.
I did experience neck pain after orgasm and I think it's related to vagus nerve. That nerve was mostly excited because of bacterial imbalance.

I took many kinds of antibiotics, rifaximin didn't work for me. I think the best one was amoxicillin.
But it must be decided by doctor.

Don't stress, and check in with gastroenterologist .
Amoxicilin cured POIS for the John21

This is incorrect. I took Azithromycin. Also as a reminder, there is no hard proof that taking this antibiotic was the cause of my POIS being eliminated.

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« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2021, 05:35:10 AM »
Congrats, John!
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Got Cured
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2021, 10:23:47 AM »
Buteyko breathing is also very helpful.
Wim Hof + Buteyko is gold combo for pois anxiety