Eggs for POIS

[demografx]

I think POIS is related to Cholesterol…

Nightly, I have been taking Crestor for years for cholesterol, haven’t seen any POIS correlation, before/after Crestor-years.

Also, I’ve always been an everyday
egg-lover (2-3 daily).

Not sure if this is helpful…

[Progecitor]

Hello progecitor
I think POIS is related to Cholesterol and its derivatives. Biotin deficiency has many systemic manifestations which is not seen in POIS

I haven't stated that biotin deficiency is the root of POIS. I only wanted to say that biotin is most likely involved in the disease. In my case taking a biotin capsule actually makes me really ill as if I just had an O. This would mean that I have an excess of the stuff. However other supplements also make me more ill, so biotin can't be the only culprit either. We also can't prove anything by eating eggs alone. If we suspect a reason at least we should verify it with a supplement like biotin or choline.

As for the matter of cholesterol my blood tests usually showed normal cholesterol levels even during acute POIS. It is true that sometimes total cholesterol was a little elevated and the ratio for LDL was higher, but it probably only reflected a dietary habit at the time. Nonetheless lipid metabolism is probably quite disturbed and likely plays a role in disease pathology. This also doesn't necessarily mean that it is the root of POIS. As far as I know it could be a downstream effect of the original cause.

[Bulbo]

Hello progecitor
I think POIS is related to Cholesterol and its derivatives. Biotin deficiency has many systemic manifestations which is not seen in POIS

I haven't stated that biotin deficiency is the root of POIS. I only wanted to say that biotin is most likely involved in the disease. In my case taking a biotin capsule actually makes me really ill as if I just had an O. This would mean that I have an excess of the stuff. However other supplements also make me more ill, so biotin can't be the only culprit either. We also can't prove anything by eating eggs alone. If we suspect a reason at least we should verify it with a supplement like biotin or choline.

As for the matter of cholesterol my blood tests usually showed normal cholesterol levels even during acute POIS. It is true that sometimes total cholesterol was a little elevated and the ratio for LDL was higher, but it probably only reflected a dietary habit at the time. Nonetheless lipid metabolism is probably quite disturbed and likely plays a role in disease pathology. This also doesn't necessarily mean that it is the root of POIS. As far as I know it could be a downstream effect of the original cause.

Yeah... You may be right

[Rollo]

For me eggs make POIS Symptoms worse...and also make me quite horny causing NEs.
Cholin might just be one of multiple factors required for sperm production and while it helps some people that lack it to replenish sperm after orgasm it exhausts the reserves of something else even more by increasing sperm production for others

[ozmoses]

I've discovered the exact opposite. Anything with choline (food or supplementwise) causes problems for me as I have low AChE (acetylcholinesterase) which actually may be a common cause of POIS.  Low AChE is much less common that normal/high AChE is the general population. 

[BoneBroth]

ozmoses: AChe is important for nerves to transmit signals to muscles. Do you experience any issues in that area? Have you checked your B12 levels, or tryed to step up on B12 by taking supplements? I think egg is basically good, but for those with histamine intolerance or leaky gut anything with proteins in it might cause a wide spectrum of autoimmune reactions as the body treats animal proteins as alien intrudors if they get into the blood stream. When your intestinal chain is restored, egg (free range, non antibiotic) is one of the best sources for building blocks for the hormonal system. Many users on poicecenter has reported improvements when eating eggs. Those who has not, might also do when their gut has improved. For those with cortisol or adrenaline excess, eggs would first provide you with more cortisol/adrenaline, but when saturated, the body would start using the cholesterol to fix other shortages like making antiinflammatory hormones like testosterone and oxytocin. If you experience increased NE after eating eggs, I would try the tips for stopping NE's somewhare here on the forum - mindcontrol, cooler bedroom etcetera. But cutting down on cholesterol is a risky business.

[berlin1984]

Another egg fan:

Reintroduced eggs recently and they've honestly been amazing for my POIS recovery. I basically feel like I've been abstaining for weeks (in terms of energy, confidence, etc) after a day or two post release (taken along with raw garlic, fenugreek, and animal-based/gaps diet). Without them, I still feel POIS-free, but do feel a lot more drained (especially in energy).

They are a nutrition powerhouse.

It may also explain why I prefer Natures Own 150 B Forte over other popular active B-complexes. The one that I take has choline/inositol in it. I think the choline may be whats having a significant impact (both in the Natures Own B complex & in eggs).

For German speakers or Bayern München Fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JriQQkxWI9o

[Muon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_Y

"Immunoglobulin Y (abbreviated as IgY) is a type of immunoglobulin which is the major antibody in bird, reptile, and lungfish blood. It is also found in high concentrations in chicken egg yolk."

IgY: A promising antibody for use in immunodiagnostic and in immunotherapy

https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/list-of-me-cfs-recovery-and-improvement-stories.80502/

Consuming IgY Immunoglobulins From Chicken Eggs

"ME/CFS patient (Maj-Britt) a Swedish women cured her Chlamydia pneumoniae-associated ME/CFS with a simple home treatment consisting of orally consuming IgY antibodies from a chicken egg yolk. She injected the chicken with her blood, so the chicken started making antibodies against the infections in her blood. Those chicken antibodies are naturally produced in large quantities in the eggs the chicken lays."

[berlin1984]

Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/114o11q/please_read_this_i_believe_i_have_found_a_cure/

"*TLDR: Eating 2-3 eggs 2-3 hours before an orgasm and 1-2 the day after has essentially eliminated all of my symptoms, and may do the same for everyone else, however, I encourage you to read the rest of this to understand my reasoning."

[Warrior]

Forwarding this here. I believe eggs combined with red meat is a potent combination for my POIS.

I believe I have made a significant breakthrough in my POIS recovery.

COMBINING RED MEAT & EGGS

19/02/23 Food Diary:
Breaky:
- big bowel of wholegrain oats with raw milk (cold pressed raw milk)
- 3 eggs
- approx 200g of beef mince, carrots, and onions sauted with extra virgin olive oil, garlic powder, onion powder, and parsley flakes
- 1 cup of home-made coffee with honey & cold pressed raw milk

Lunch snack:
- 2 bananas
- handful of walnuts

Late lunch coffee:
- 1 cafe flat white on reg full cream milk

Early evening snack:
- 2 plums

Dinner:
- another decent serving size of beef mince dish made this morning
- 2 eggs
- fruit smoothie with 2 bananas, handful of mixed fruit (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, & raspberries), and small handful of walnuts

I believe that red meat & eggs are a potent combination for restoring my body back to its non-POIS state and into the thriving state that would normally only be achieved through abstience (3-9+ days). I have recorded what I have eaten today incase other foods are responsible for a recognizable shift in recovery.

Yesterday I released once at night-time, and day before released twice at night-time for histamine experiment. Today I was noticably depleted and abiding in what I call a depleted POIS state. My experience comprises of the symptoms described in "frequent releases" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. Today in the late afternoon/early evening, I experienced a distinct shift into a state that I only seemingly experience after 3-6+ days of abstience, experience is described in "abstience" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. I believe the potent combination of eggs & red meat is responsible.

When I added eggs back into my diet after a long exclusion, I noticed an enormous improvement in energy levels & POIS recovery - I was still eating red meat at the time & that wasnt enough for my energy levels. I noticed the exact same phenomena happen with red meat. I excluded red meat (and meat in general really) for a few weeks, mostly due to a histamine experiment (many meats are aged) I was undertaking, and when I reintroduced it, I noticed another significant improvement in energy levels and libido. Just eating eggs on their own don't seem as potent when eating them with red meat, and the same can be said for eating red meat on its own - its a lot better when combining it with eggs.

So, I believe that many who experience improvement in their POIS from eggs, should consider combining it with red meat. I believe the nutrients are significantly synergistic, and play a key role in my POIS recovery. I believe I have now nailed my POIS recovery down to 1 day, where my symptoms on day 1 are still relatively low, described in "frequent releases" part of that post linked earlier.

The big picture lesson here is how important nutrition is for POIS recovery. Ultimately food is medicine. I no longer prescribe to any diet ideology or restrictions apart from gluten-free. Gluten/wheat-free is an absolute must for my POIS. Apart from that, I follow the principle of "just eat real food (JERF)" focusing on quality, variety, and intuitive eating. Red meat & eggs seem to be especially effective for my POIS recovery. Also, there would be many nutrients within the red meat and eggs that rely on other nutrients to work, another reason why JERF / an incredibly nutritious diet is important for POIS recovery.

[Bulbo]

Forwarding this here. I believe eggs combined with red meat is a potent combination for my POIS.

I believe I have made a significant breakthrough in my POIS recovery.

COMBINING RED MEAT & EGGS

19/02/23 Food Diary:
Breaky:
- big bowel of wholegrain oats with raw milk (cold pressed raw milk)
- 3 eggs
- approx 200g of beef mince, carrots, and onions sauted with extra virgin olive oil, garlic powder, onion powder, and parsley flakes
- 1 cup of home-made coffee with honey & cold pressed raw milk

Lunch snack:
- 2 bananas
- handful of walnuts

Late lunch coffee:
- 1 cafe flat white on reg full cream milk

Early evening snack:
- 2 plums

Dinner:
- another decent serving size of beef mince dish made this morning
- 2 eggs
- fruit smoothie with 2 bananas, handful of mixed fruit (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, & raspberries), and small handful of walnuts

I believe that red meat & eggs are a potent combination for restoring my body back to its non-POIS state and into the thriving state that would normally only be achieved through abstience (3-9+ days). I have recorded what I have eaten today incase other foods are responsible for a recognizable shift in recovery.

Yesterday I released once at night-time, and day before released twice at night-time for histamine experiment. Today I was noticably depleted and abiding in what I call a depleted POIS state. My experience comprises of the symptoms described in "frequent releases" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. Today in the late afternoon/early evening, I experienced a distinct shift into a state that I only seemingly experience after 3-6+ days of abstience, experience is described in "abstience" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. I believe the potent combination of eggs & red meat is responsible.

When I added eggs back into my diet after a long exclusion, I noticed an enormous improvement in energy levels & POIS recovery - I was still eating red meat at the time & that wasnt enough for my energy levels. I noticed the exact same phenomena happen with red meat. I excluded red meat (and meat in general really) for a few weeks, mostly due to a histamine experiment (many meats are aged) I was undertaking, and when I reintroduced it, I noticed another significant improvement in energy levels and libido. Just eating eggs on their own don't seem as potent when eating them with red meat, and the same can be said for eating red meat on its own - its a lot better when combining it with eggs.

So, I believe that many who experience improvement in their POIS from eggs, should consider combining it with red meat. I believe the nutrients are significantly synergistic, and play a key role in my POIS recovery. I believe I have now nailed my POIS recovery down to 1 day, where my symptoms on day 1 are still relatively low, described in "frequent releases" part of that post linked earlier.

The big picture lesson here is how important nutrition is for POIS recovery. Ultimately food is medicine. I no longer prescribe to any diet ideology or restrictions apart from gluten-free. Gluten/wheat-free is an absolute must for my POIS. Apart from that, I follow the principle of "just eat real food (JERF)" focusing on quality, variety, and intuitive eating. Red meat & eggs seem to be especially effective for my POIS recovery. Also, there would be many nutrients within the red meat and eggs that rely on other nutrients to work, another reason why JERF / an incredibly nutritious diet is important for POIS recovery.

Its possible.. do you still feel those improvements ??

[Warrior]

Forwarding this here. I believe eggs combined with red meat is a potent combination for my POIS.

I believe I have made a significant breakthrough in my POIS recovery.

COMBINING RED MEAT & EGGS

19/02/23 Food Diary:
Breaky:
- big bowel of wholegrain oats with raw milk (cold pressed raw milk)
- 3 eggs
- approx 200g of beef mince, carrots, and onions sauted with extra virgin olive oil, garlic powder, onion powder, and parsley flakes
- 1 cup of home-made coffee with honey & cold pressed raw milk

Lunch snack:
- 2 bananas
- handful of walnuts

Late lunch coffee:
- 1 cafe flat white on reg full cream milk

Early evening snack:
- 2 plums

Dinner:
- another decent serving size of beef mince dish made this morning
- 2 eggs
- fruit smoothie with 2 bananas, handful of mixed fruit (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, & raspberries), and small handful of walnuts

I believe that red meat & eggs are a potent combination for restoring my body back to its non-POIS state and into the thriving state that would normally only be achieved through abstience (3-9+ days). I have recorded what I have eaten today incase other foods are responsible for a recognizable shift in recovery.

Yesterday I released once at night-time, and day before released twice at night-time for histamine experiment. Today I was noticably depleted and abiding in what I call a depleted POIS state. My experience comprises of the symptoms described in "frequent releases" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. Today in the late afternoon/early evening, I experienced a distinct shift into a state that I only seemingly experience after 3-6+ days of abstience, experience is described in "abstience" part of https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg46195#msg46195. I believe the potent combination of eggs & red meat is responsible.

When I added eggs back into my diet after a long exclusion, I noticed an enormous improvement in energy levels & POIS recovery - I was still eating red meat at the time & that wasnt enough for my energy levels. I noticed the exact same phenomena happen with red meat. I excluded red meat (and meat in general really) for a few weeks, mostly due to a histamine experiment (many meats are aged) I was undertaking, and when I reintroduced it, I noticed another significant improvement in energy levels and libido. Just eating eggs on their own don't seem as potent when eating them with red meat, and the same can be said for eating red meat on its own - its a lot better when combining it with eggs.

So, I believe that many who experience improvement in their POIS from eggs, should consider combining it with red meat. I believe the nutrients are significantly synergistic, and play a key role in my POIS recovery. I believe I have now nailed my POIS recovery down to 1 day, where my symptoms on day 1 are still relatively low, described in "frequent releases" part of that post linked earlier.

The big picture lesson here is how important nutrition is for POIS recovery. Ultimately food is medicine. I no longer prescribe to any diet ideology or restrictions apart from gluten-free. Gluten/wheat-free is an absolute must for my POIS. Apart from that, I follow the principle of "just eat real food (JERF)" focusing on quality, variety, and intuitive eating. Red meat & eggs seem to be especially effective for my POIS recovery. Also, there would be many nutrients within the red meat and eggs that rely on other nutrients to work, another reason why JERF / an incredibly nutritious diet is important for POIS recovery.

Its possible.. do you still feel those improvements ??

Absolutely. Red meat & eggs are now staples. They definitely improve my POIS overall. Night & day difference without them.

[Hopeoneday]

Iron???

[berlin1984]

Looks like eggs are making me tired recently. I will stop eating them for a while. Google for "eggs make me tired".

Is it only in hay fever season? Normally eggs are good for me.

Sulfur Intolerance?

I loved reading this book: The Devil In The Garlic

EDIT: or the copper? https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg47053#msg47053

[Bellini]

I hv a lean body... i hv always been lean. I used to have irritable bowel with bowel frequency of 3 per day, frequent urination, extreme muscle weakness after an o,pois lasts for 6 days, thin skin over the face. I used to get tired with brainfog after eating any tablets including antibiotics, vitamins

After starting eggs i have now gained 3 kilogram. My bowel movement hv become normal of 1 per day.No frequent urination. Only negligible physical weakness after o. But brain fog and mental tiredness still present. Pois reduced from 6 days to 2.5 days.proteins in egg have helped me very much for hair growth but it could be also due to limiting the no. Of orgasms. Now i dont get tiredness and brain fog with antibiotics, vitamins, cetrizine

Very interesting to find another person who've had cured his polyuria by eating eggs. That has always been a very visible 'marker' that I was on POIS, also easily measurable. Any researcher can see that Pois is not just an anxiety disorder by this symptom alone, how the hell could I decide how much I would urinate on a single day? With just the power of my mind?

With eggs: normal; no eggs: every 30 minutes.

But if we analyze the composition of a single large egg, it's not that remarkable:

- Protein: 6.3g
- Fat: 4.8g
- Carbohydrate: 0.6g
- Vitamin A: 82.5 micrograms (mcg)
- Vitamin D: 0.87 mcg
- Vitamin E: 0.49 mg
- Vitamin K: 0.09 mcg
- Vitamin B1 (Thiamin): 0.03 mg
- Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin): 0.27 mg
- Vitamin B3 (Niacin): Approximately 0.1 mg
- Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic acid): 0.68 mg
- Vitamin B6: 0.06 mg
- Vitamin B7 (Biotin): 5.4 mcg
- Vitamin B9 (Folate): 24.6 mcg
- Vitamin B12: 0.56 mcg
- Choline: 126 mg

Well, I was already taking all of that through food or capsules, with the exception of ... choline. Every 5 eggs have 630 mg of choline, that was definitely a new thing.

And if you research a bit about choline and hormonal imbalance (polyuria), you will find things like this:

Some research also suggests that acetylcholine activity has an influence on the production or secretion of various hormones throughout the body and brain.
For example, some studies have reported that acetylcholine levels are correlated with the secretion of hormones such as prolactin and growth hormone from the pituitary gland. Although the full mechanisms are not known yet, some researchers believe that a significant amount of acetylcholine’s effects on hormones may come from its ability to influence neural activity in the hypothalamus, a brain region that is widely believed to be heavily involved in hormone regulation. https://selfhacked.com/blog/acetylcholine/

This article above has lots of other relevant aspects of choline, on how it affects the guts and blood flow, por example.

And if we ponder on the recommended choline daily intake, which is the incredible high number of 550 mg for an adult male, we can understand how we can easily end up being chronically low on this nutrient for years, possibly decades. If you grew up in the 80's, 90's, and even in the early 00's you probably remember that eggs were seen as poison, I remember my mother telling me: "Only one per day, more will be bad for you." And given that the other great source of choline is, well, beef liver, which most kids (and adults) hate it, it's not that hard to understand how one could reach an adult age with a choline deficiency.

[Bulbo]

I think POIS is related to Cholesterol…

Nightly, I have been taking Crestor for years for cholesterol, haven’t seen any POIS correlation, before/after Crestor-years.

Also, I’ve always been an everyday
egg-lover (2-3 daily).

Not sure if this is helpful…

Hmm.. once we have reached a certain age , doctors start us on statins. They do this to prevent further Heart attack and stroke. I think we should continue statins at older age but also improve our cholesterol intake

[Bulbo]

I've discovered the exact opposite. Anything with choline (food or supplementwise) causes problems for me as I have low AChE (acetylcholinesterase) which actually may be a common cause of POIS.  Low AChE is much less common that normal/high AChE is the general population.

Hello... I have experienced that supplements aggravate brain fog. I think this is not because of the supplements, rather its because of POIS. Our nerves are highly reactive to supplements. Initally i used to experience brain fog with simple medicines like cetrizine, CPM. But now i dont get brain fog with above drugs.

[Bulbo]

Hello everyone.
Now i days i eat 4 eggs a day but i dont eat meat. I frequently check my cholesterol levels. Total cholesterol is between 190 to 200 mg/dl. I am feeling significant improvement from POIS. Cure takes time. But i think eggs and cholesterol is the solution.

[berlin1984]

Congrats :-) They are definitely yummy and nutritious.
I recommend putting soy sauce instead of salt, makes the taste even nicer.

[Quack]

Unfortunately, I am highly allergic to eggs. Could this somehow be related to POIS?