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Title: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on January 16, 2016, 10:02:44 AM
Hello everyone
     I am very happy to tell you guys how well eggs are helping me against POIS. I started eating eggs after reading Gcrisp post in the naked scientists forum. Gcrisp got POIS in his 40s or 50s after he was put on statin drugs for cholesterol control. Later Gcrisp realised that the cause was the statins, he then stopped the statins and started to eat eggs daily for POIS. He claims that he got cured of POIS eventually.
     But i am in my 20s and dont take statins.But  i started eating eggs for POIS. I ate 2 eggs daily. My POIS was of a type where my mind never clears , everyday i had brain fog. Only after starting the eggs i realised my POIS duration lasts for 5 or 6 days. It will be 5 days if stimulation was more, and the duration was 6 days if stimulation was very less. After the 5th or 6th day my brain fog cleared. it was the first time in my life, after my childhood, i was able to think clearly, but brain fog used to set in after mild stimulation.
     So i ate 2 eggs daily. By 5th month of starting eggs, i had a strange experience. On a normal day without POIS, i woke up to the brain fog of POIS, i was so desperate and thought that eggs are failing, this brain fog lasted for 6 days. then on the 7th day the brain fog cleared. In that week i realised that my POIS duration has reduced from 5 or 6 days (depending upon stimulation) to 4 or 5 days (depending upon stimulation). I was so happy, at last something has started to work for me.
     Then by 9 months and 10 days of eating eggs my pois duration reduced from 4 or 5 days to 3 or 4 days. Before the POIS duration reduced i did experience brain fog for 6 days which was not due to POIS.
     After 12 months and 29 days my POIS duration reduced from 3 or 4 days to 2 or 3 days.Before the POIS duration reduced i did experience brain fog for 6 days which was not due to POIS.
     By the next three months pois duration should have reduced to 1 or 2 days, but it didnt happen. But unfortunately by 14 month 25 days, every time i o my pois lasted for 6 days. This 6 day POIS lasted everytime i o from 14 month 25 days onwards. I was very desperate. Those days were very tough.
       But by 17 months 22 days my POIS duration all of a sudden became 1 day. But afterwards pois would last for 6 days.
       But by July 8, 2016 (1 year 6 months 24 days) whenever i o pois never exceeded 2 days. My nocturnal emissions have reduced very much. Now i get more confidence, and i feel like i can face any hardships and now i dont wish to end my life anymore.
    Its been 2 yrs and 4 months....my pois still lasts for 2 days .... But one major improvement is nocturnal emissions have stopped..... i used to have 4 nocturnal emissions in a week in the past
     I once tried increasing the no. of eggs to three a day so that POIS duration reduction may be hastened, but it didnt work out. i think my body takes this much time to make changes.
     I eat only home grown hen's eggs because for more than 13 months i had been eating eggs from stores. During that period i had common cold and fever every month. Before i started eating these eggs from shops i used to have cold and fever only twice in a year. So i switched to home grown hen's eggs and now i dont get cold or fever often.
 
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: b_jim on January 27, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
Congratulations !
Some guys here think Pois may have to do with acetylcholin receptors.
One the oldest theory with eggs for Pois is that eggs are rich on cholin (300mg per egg if I remember). And this cholin may help to boost acetylcholin synthesis.

I ate 1 or 2 eggs a day during long time but it never improved my Pois. Now, I take taurine and it helps a lot. I wonder if taurine might help to absorb/synthetize fats and choline.


Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on January 28, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
Thanks b_jim
I think its about the cholesterol in the egg rather than choline( i may be wrong). Gcrisp got POIS after he was put on statin drugs. Statin inhibit the enzyme that synthesize cholesterol.
      Can u tell me how long you ate egg. It took me atleast 5.5 months of eating eggs to notice a difference in my POIS duration. My POIS was of a type where the brain fog never goes away. On the second month this constant brain fog went away and i found out that my pois duration was 5 or 6 days. So i never gave up and i ate the eggs daily
        Can u describe your pois symptoms and duration
Thanks
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: b_jim on January 28, 2016, 05:33:44 PM
I ate eggs since many years. My total cholesterol is just under low limit.
Before 2008, I had Pois during 3-4 days with hot flashes after meals, diarrheas, muscle weakness and cognitive trouble, loss of concentration.

I have just learn today that 90% seems to have choline deficiency. Indeed, insuffisant in diet.

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/21/6/LB46-c

Quote
Results: Mean choline usual intakes exceed the AI for young children. For older children, men, women and pregnant women, mean usual intakes are far below the AI; 10% or less had usual intakes above the AI.

- Choline is poor in our diet.
- Choline is quiet rich in semen.
- Choline is cofactor of acetylcholin and a deficiency of this can cause symptoms close to Pois.

It smells good :)

Choline is fat-soluble and I suspect Taurine to improbe absorbtion/synthesis of choline.

Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on January 29, 2016, 01:13:18 AM
hello b_jim
    alas, nothing works for everyone.....
    i read that article...
    i read this from a biochemistry book.... The major lipids in mammalian membranes are Phospholipids, Glycosphingolipids and cholesterol....Phospholipids include two classes, they are phosphoglycerides and sphingomyelin.....phosphoglycerides contain choline and other alcohols.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 06, 2016, 11:55:19 PM
Hi guys
I am going to post my progress. I have been eating 2 backyard hen's eggs a day for 1 year 5 months and 23 days. My pois was of a type where brain fog does not go away after an o meaning it was present always. After starting eggs i found my pois duration was 5 or 6 days. By Jan 14, 2016 POIS duration became 2 or 3 days. By the next three months pois duration should have reduced to 1 or 2 days, but it didnt happen. But unfortunately by March 10, 2016 every time i o my pois lasted for 6 days. This 6 day POIS lasted everytime i o from march 10, 2016 onwards. I was very desperate. Those days were very tough. But by June 6, 2016 my POIS duration all of a sudden became 1 day. I am so happy guys. At last POIS duration became 1 day.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Quantum on June 07, 2016, 06:55:01 AM
Thanks Bulbo for your detailed report. 

Do you have any idea about what could have triggered the drawback you have experienced from early March to last week?   Any change in lifestyle ? Any stressful event ?

Hopefully, your POIS will stay shorter.  I wish you so, though :)

Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 07, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Hello quantum
     I don't consider this drawback to be a bad thing.There wasn't any trigger. I think it is a process in our brain during which the brain makes changes to itself. I hope it doesnt happen again.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: DEANNX on June 09, 2016, 04:03:05 AM
hi, what else do you experience during pois?can you also give us an update on your situation??


Thanks
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 09, 2016, 09:15:08 PM
Hi Deannx
I have typical POIS symptoms like intense brain fog, mental and physical fatigue, reduced appetite, highly irritated with people
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on September 12, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
Hi guys
I am going to post my progress. For the first time my pois duration became 1 day from 6 days on June 6, 2016 (1 year 6 months of eating eggs). But after that pois would last for 6 days. But by July 8, 2016 (1 year 7 months) whenever i o pois never exceeded 2 days. Until today my pois lasts for 2 days and never exceeds 2 days...I am very sure pois will reduce... My nocturnal emissions have reduced very much. Now i get more confidence, and i feel like i can face any hardships and now i dont wish to end my life anymore.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Quantum on September 13, 2016, 05:09:46 PM
Great news, Bulbo,  I am glad that you now have more confidence and that you enjoy your life, it is a great achievement. 

Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Mr Raba on September 14, 2016, 11:06:19 PM
Thanks b_jim
I think its about the cholesterol in the egg rather than choline( i may be wrong). Gcrisp got POIS after he was put on statin drugs. Statin inhibit the enzyme that synthesize cholesterol.
      Can u tell me how long you ate egg. It took me atleast 5.5 months of eating eggs to notice a difference in my POIS duration. My POIS was of a type where the brain fog never goes away. On the second month this constant brain fog went away and i found out that my pois duration was 5 or 6 days. So i never gave up and i ate the eggs daily
        Can u describe your pois symptoms and duration
Thanks


Wow!!!!!!


My POIS started after several months of high dose (4 grams) of slow niacin to reduce my cholesterol.

Furthermore my cholesterol was only 260.  My Doctor kept on increasing the dose because my cholesterol was not budging .

The day of my sudden onset, i took 6 grams. I felt horrible. Then had sex and that was it.  I got CFS at the same time too.

For years i tried to find the link. Now when eat more than 2 eggs while in a crash  i get very intolerant and irritable.

I think the niacin did something to my metabolic balance. It still makes me sick if I take a 100 mg dose.

I stpped the niacin suddenly when I first got sick. I got pale an severe stomach flu like.

My lipids went crazy for years after that. My cholesterol was 400 or 600. My triglycerides went up to 3000.

It was so bad that my blood samples were yellowish and labs could not process tests  due to high lipid content.


Eventually my  lipids returned to  close but higher than normal after 5  years or so

What  a puzzle.  I wonder what the niacin did to my system.   I read recently that statins clump down the mitochondria.

I wonder if high dose slow niacin does something similar.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 08, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
Hi Mr.Raba
Sorry for replying late... were u normal without pois before taking niacin....and at what age did u develop pois....do you still have pois
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 08, 2016, 11:51:09 PM
Hi guys .... it is a long time since i have posted in this forum....its been 23 months 24 days since i started eating eggs daily... i have been eating 2 eggs daily.... but for the past 20 days i reduced it to one egg per day....Still POIS lasts for 2 days.... but day by day i am becoming more calm, understanding my strengths and weakness, very optimistic in life, no angry outbursts, increasing energy levels.....i hope pois goes away... will keep u updated about my experiences
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Quantum on December 09, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
Thanks for the update, Bulbo.  Keep on updating us on your results.

Do you cook your eggs?  I often eat eggs, almost one a day, but eat raw, organic eggs, mixed in organic soy drink.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: demografx on December 09, 2016, 05:02:06 PM
Not every day, but when I do it's 3 hard boiled eggs. Anyone think that's excessive? (My wife does :) )


Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 09, 2016, 07:32:12 PM
Hello quantum....
I cook the eggs. Do you eat eggs everday and how long have you been doing it ?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 09, 2016, 07:39:26 PM
Hi demografx
There are some studies mentioning dietary cholesterol doesnt raise your blood cholesterol.. But on the other hand there are numerous studies showing cholestserol is bad for health.... But eggs are helping me ...they have reduced my 6 day pois to 2 days and also revealed how stupid i am and that i have wasted my entire life because of pois
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Quantum on December 09, 2016, 09:46:34 PM
Hello quantum....
I cook the eggs. Do you eat eggs everday and how long have you been doing it ?

Hi Bulbo,

I do not keep track of it, but I think I eat an egg 5 days out of 7, approx.  I have been doing this for a few years now, as part of my healthy diet.  I eat less meat, and more eggs.  They are rich in many vitamins, and a good source of proteins, and of lecithin, and of antioxidants like lutein and zeaxanthin. 

Due to my genetics and to my healthy diet, I have absolutely no cholesterol problems - it is quite low, with no medication.   

My lunch is often a raw egg in soy drink,  plus a few crude vegetables ( I really enjoy bell peppers, yellow, orange and red), and a healthy, organic crunchy bar.

About the fact that I eat eggs raw,  I wouldn't eat industrial farming eggs as raw - my eggs come from free-run, healthy hens fed with organic food.  The awful conditions in industrial farms are very likely to promote bacterial contamination, and industrial eggs are far more prone to cause salmonellosis if not cooked, in my opinion.  I wouldn't recommend anyone to eat industrial, "regular" supermarket eggs without cooking them.

For sure, reading about eggs on this forum have helped me becoming more regular at my habit of eating eggs.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 09, 2016, 11:46:50 PM
Hello quantum
I also dont eat industrial farming eggs.....i hope this POIS goes away
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Mr Raba on December 10, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
Hi Mr.Raba
Sorry for replying late... were u normal without pois before taking niacin....and at what age did u develop pois....do you still have pois

Before the sudden onset I had no POIS. I had Os every day. Sometimes 2 per day. Was 27 and married. Nothing at all. Thiugh if I had too much sex I would get cranky.   

Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on December 11, 2016, 11:48:34 PM
Hi Mr.Raba
Sorry for replying late... were u normal without pois before taking niacin....and at what age did u develop pois....do you still have pois

Before the sudden onset I had no POIS. I had Os every day. Sometimes 2 per day. Was 27 and married. Nothing at all. Thiugh if I had too much sex I would get cranky.
Hi Mr. Raba
It was unfortunate for you to acquire pois.... Maybe niacin did affect your system...can u tell us your pois duration and symptoms
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: romies on December 16, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
This case looks like choline deficiency to me as well. If both of the following tests are true to you, I would really suspect choline deficiency

1. Is egg yolk more important than egg white? Egg white has little choline in it.
2. Does Huperzine A or Galantamine have similar benefits to you?

Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: demografx on December 17, 2016, 03:20:00 AM
Hi demografx
There are some studies mentioning dietary cholesterol doesnt raise your blood cholesterol.. But on the other hand there are numerous studies showing cholestserol is bad for health.... But eggs are helping me ...they have reduced my 6 day pois to 2 days and also revealed how stupid i am and that i have wasted my entire life because of pois
POIS is not your fault! And intelligence/stupidity have nothing to do with POIS! It is a physiological disorder in which many people - regardless of intelligence - will NEVER understand the connection between sex and POIS symptoms. Many POISers - including myself - had no idea what was terribly wrong healthwise in their lives.


Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on April 25, 2017, 09:51:22 AM
Hello guys, i wanted to give an update
I have been eating eggs daily for 2 yrs 4 months, my pois was reduced from 6 days to 2 days.... one significant improvement i attained now is my nocturnal emissions have stopped... i used to have nocturnal emissions 4 times in a week in the past.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on May 19, 2017, 06:37:57 AM
Hello everyone..
I have been eating eggs daily for 2 year 5 months.... my pois used to last for 6 days , now my pois lasts for 1 -2 days..... without an o mild erection will cause brain fog for nearly a day but now  after 2 years and 5 months, my mind becomes clear at three times in a day... 9 am, 3 pm and 7 pm irrespective of mild erection...
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on June 04, 2017, 04:54:34 PM
Hi Bulbo,
thanks for posting - I'm working trying eggs. I already use short intense exercise every other day to reduce symptoms (brain fog).

I'm fairly clearly in the cluster 1 symptoms: brain fog, slurred speech, memory and recall issues, irritability, emotional withdrawal for ~3 days post o.

I am eating 2 cooked eggs most days a week (starting two weeks ago). 
So far the results have been promising, but I will hold off for another few months to post status / end results. 
Best,
TT
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 06, 2017, 04:40:10 AM
Hi ThisType..
It will take time to see benefits with eggs.... but whatever benefit you get it remains.... do continue taking eggs...
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 06, 2017, 07:02:58 AM
Hello guys....
Another change i noticed after starting eggs is
I used to defeceate 3 times in a day before starting eggs. After starting eggs defeceation reduced to 2 times a day in 2 yrs and now it has become only once in the morning.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: paradoxx on June 06, 2017, 11:43:51 AM
Hi Bulbo, maybe I'm overthinking it but what kind of eggs do you use, do you always cook them the same way and do you eat them always in the morning/evening or doesnt matter?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 06, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Hi paradoxx
It doesnt matter when u eat the eggs.... i eat 1 egg everyday and add another egg on alternate days...i mostly eat boiled eggs...it is better to eat backyard hens eggs rather than eggs from stores
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: paradoxx on June 06, 2017, 03:44:28 PM
Hi paradoxx
It doesnt matter when u eat the eggs.... i eat 1 egg everyday and add another egg on alternate days...i mostly eat boiled eggs...it is better to eat backyard hens eggs rather than eggs from stores

Thanks, will start tomorrow with one steam-cooked free-range egg per day and report back in 30 days.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on June 10, 2017, 05:15:22 PM
Check-in #1 (3 weeks): I've been eating two cooked eggs (usually over-easy) with cheese each morning. This is on top of my usual every-other day 15-minute morning workout to battle brain fog.

First time I've been able to smile easily in years (especially in days 1 and 2)!  About and 50%-90% reduction in symptoms. I still feel it a bit in my lips but my speech, memory, emotional withdrawal, brain fog is much improved with the exception of one morning o). Hopefully this continues.

Bulbo, thank you for posting - this truly has been great
I will continue and will report in again in a few weeks
TT
(Edit: I found this nih page on choline interesting - we do not produce enough choline each day. eggs and beef liver are the two top sources. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Choline-HealthProfessional/)
(Edit 2: hit a low after this post after a morning o and am revising the lower limit. Still better than it was by far)
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 14, 2017, 08:33:32 PM
Hi ThisType
Happy to hear about your progress.. do continue taking the eggs. It will take time
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: DEANNX on June 18, 2017, 12:41:28 AM
Hi Bulbo

do you have symptoms of sagging skins especially around face and poor blood circulation???does eating eggs improve these symptoms??

thanks
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 19, 2017, 02:14:01 AM
Hi Deanxx
In the past, after an o my face do swell up a bit and i look tired.... but now after being on eggs for 2 yrs 6 months, my face swells just a bit but i dont look tired
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: DEANNX on June 22, 2017, 09:42:51 AM
Hi Deanxx
In the past, after an o my face do swell up a bit and i look tired.... but now after being on eggs for 2 yrs 6 months, my face swells just a bit but i dont look tired

Thanks for the reply. How long before you seen any improvement on your face, I am also having trouble gain weight I hope egg will help too
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 22, 2017, 08:32:52 PM
This has nothing to do with eggs as I avoid them but on the topic of weight. I have been gaining weight the past couple months simply by eating foods my body can handle.  I give a big credit to Goya beans (I eat black and red 1 can each a day =650 calories) and 4 yams a day.  I've been slowly gaining weight and have been noticing it.  Gained around 7-10 lbs so far and haven't measured in 2 weeks.

So for me it was eating a great deal of tolerable foods which I mainly credit to beans and yams.  Chicken might have also had something to do with it.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on June 23, 2017, 10:06:36 AM
Hi Deanxx
I am also lean and dont gain weight.. After starting eggs, i started to go to gym... now i have gained muscle.... but my weight has not increased... My father was also lean... i think i am like my father
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: certainlypois2 on June 23, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
This has nothing to do with eggs as I avoid them but on the topic of weight. I have been gaining weight the past couple months simply by eating foods my body can handle.  I give a big credit to Goya beans (I eat black and red 1 can each a day =650 calories) and 4 yams a day.  I've been slowly gaining weight and have been noticing it.  Gained around 7-10 lbs so far and haven't measured in 2 weeks.

So for me it was eating a great deal of tolerable foods which I mainly credit to beans and yams.  Chicken might have also had something to do with it.
when you say yams are you saying sweet potatoes
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 24, 2017, 09:00:27 AM
This has nothing to do with eggs as I avoid them but on the topic of weight. I have been gaining weight the past couple months simply by eating foods my body can handle.  I give a big credit to Goya beans (I eat black and red 1 can each a day =650 calories) and 4 yams a day.  I've been slowly gaining weight and have been noticing it.  Gained around 7-10 lbs so far and haven't measured in 2 weeks.

So for me it was eating a great deal of tolerable foods which I mainly credit to beans and yams.  Chicken might have also had something to do with it.
when you say yams are you saying sweet potatoes

Lol the place I shop at calls them yams but I think they are sweet potatoes.  They have brown skin and an orange interior.

Good thing is it's cheap calories.  I mix the sweet potatoes into the beans and chow down.  Microwave the sweet potatoes and just rinse the beans.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: certainlypois2 on June 24, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
This has nothing to do with eggs as I avoid them but on the topic of weight. I have been gaining weight the past couple months simply by eating foods my body can handle.  I give a big credit to Goya beans (I eat black and red 1 can each a day =650 calories) and 4 yams a day.  I've been slowly gaining weight and have been noticing it.  Gained around 7-10 lbs so far and haven't measured in 2 weeks.

So for me it was eating a great deal of tolerable foods which I mainly credit to beans and yams.  Chicken might have also had something to do with it.
when you say yams are you saying sweet potatoes

Lol the place I shop at calls them yams but I think they are sweet potatoes.  They have brown skin and an orange interior.

Good thing is it's cheap calories.  I mix the sweet potatoes into the beans and chow down.  Microwave the sweet potatoes and just rinse the beans.
I am going to have to include those beans right away the next time i try AIP diet. I couldn't get  past the hunger,because my job requires a lot walking, even with sweet potatoes.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: demografx on June 24, 2017, 05:31:28 PM
As of today (now), this thread has been read 3,063 times :)
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 26, 2017, 02:05:51 AM
This has nothing to do with eggs as I avoid them but on the topic of weight. I have been gaining weight the past couple months simply by eating foods my body can handle.  I give a big credit to Goya beans (I eat black and red 1 can each a day =650 calories) and 4 yams a day.  I've been slowly gaining weight and have been noticing it.  Gained around 7-10 lbs so far and haven't measured in 2 weeks.

So for me it was eating a great deal of tolerable foods which I mainly credit to beans and yams.  Chicken might have also had something to do with it.
when you say yams are you saying sweet potatoes

Lol the place I shop at calls them yams but I think they are sweet potatoes.  They have brown skin and an orange interior.

Good thing is it's cheap calories.  I mix the sweet potatoes into the beans and chow down.  Microwave the sweet potatoes and just rinse the beans.
I am going to have to include those beans right away the next time i try AIP diet. I couldn't get  past the hunger,because my job requires a lot walking, even with sweet potatoes.

Yeah I honestly don't know what I'd do without Goya black or red kidney beans.  I'd probably be laying in an alley somewhere thinking about POIS 24/7.  $1 here can get you 315 calories of goya canned beans, which is very good.

It's great not having to worry about O anymore but that worry has switched to diet which is hard.  But at least I have more control over what I eat as opposed to having an O.  I'm basically trading food for O's at this point.

It's also nice to see my body "filling up" healthily and noticeably.  I'm sure most of us are aware of that skinny look.

They say not to eat beans on AIP for confusing reasons (phytic? acid and hard digestion) but I find them to be very helpful and fulfilling.  I think it's best to ignore that thought although beans aren't the easiest to digest.  My digestion is perfect with them and I get no cramps/gas.  However, if I get painfully glutened, the beans will cause pain because of longer/harder digestion in a compromised intestine.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: paradoxx on June 26, 2017, 09:53:44 PM
Hi Going less crazy. Also like and tolerate red kidney beans well, will also try the black ones if I find them at the store. At first I thought you were referring to a kind of beans called 'goya beans' but only now I'm realizing you are probably talking about a brand called goya. Is there something special about beans from that brand vs. others? So you just rinse and eat them without heating/cooking? Thanks for sharing.

I like red kidney beans and will also try the black ones. Easy to prepare yet not unhealthy and tasty at the same time. Just like eggs, they have been a tolerable and nice extension to my diet so far.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 26, 2017, 11:00:25 PM
Hi Going less crazy. Also like and tolerate red kidney beans well, will also try the black ones if I find them at the store. At first I thought you were referring to a kind of beans called 'goya beans' but only now I'm realizing you are probably talking about a brand called goya. Is there something special about beans from that brand vs. others? So you just rinse and eat them without heating/cooking? Thanks for sharing.

I like red kidney beans and will also try the black ones. Easy to prepare yet not unhealthy and tasty at the same time. Just like eggs, they have been a tolerable and nice extension to my diet so far.

Goya and Bush's beans are good and very well tolerated by myself.  Other unpopular brands have caused problems in me before maybe because of some additive or whatever.  For example, shop rite brand beans caused me pain before.  So the brand Goya and Bush beans are good.

They come canned in water.  All I do is get a colander and throw em in there and rinse with hot water for about 30 seconds.  Trust me the colander helps a lot.  So it's like a minute to prepare and very cheap and easy to eat.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: paradoxx on July 06, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Short update: have been eating about 40-50 eggs during the last 30 days, at least 1 daily. So far there are no noticeable differences but as Bulbo suggested it takes time so I'll continue in the same way and report back after another 30 days.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on July 20, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Update #2 (2 months): I've been eating two overeasy eggs each day plus or minus a handful of days. I'll try to break down my observations:
1) my physical speech symptoms and and dysarthria (speech muscle or lip/tongue related) have become significantly less of an issue.
2) my brain fog and some of the dysphasia still exist ( finding words, memory) but are mostly reduced with 12 laps in a pool at high exertion (15 min) every other day. This part is critical. It also improves tiredness.
3) other physical symptoms have noticeably improved in general.

For those interested, I've started pulling together a thread relating choline (eggs), betaine (beets and a choline derivative), and the methyl cycle into a hypothesis to be tested. (http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2486.0)



Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: demografx on July 21, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
My intake is about 80 per month. Hard to tell, because TRT has been my personal wonder-drug since 2009, so it's hard for me to measure what the high egg consumption rate is doing for me. But it's certainly not hurting my POIS! Glad to see this thread's popularity -- 3,569 I mean  3,579 views. But who's counting?


Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Unvers on July 29, 2017, 09:19:51 AM
I ate two eggs after orgasm and felt good for an hour or two, now symptoms are slowly coming back, today are particularly strong because I am aslo sleep deprived.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: DEANNX on August 05, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
What do you think is the science behind eggs
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on August 05, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
I think eggs are a good source for cholesterol and proteins... Neuron are made of cholesterol derivatives and proteins.
I started eating eggs after reading Gcrisp's post on naked scientists forum....He acquired pois at 50 yrs of age after being put on statins which lower blood cholesterol.He reported that he felt better after starting eggs. Therefore i think cholesterol supplementation is the mechanism behind eggs.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Unvers on August 09, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
I tried last week eggs for POIS but their effect lasted few hours while I have POIS for days, better than nothing however.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on August 09, 2017, 11:11:04 PM
Hi Unvers
Eggs cant be taken to stop a POIS episode. Eggs slowly removes depression, improves cognition, it reduces pois duration, it stopped nocturnal emission for me....I have been taking eggs for 2 yrs 8 months. It takes lot of time, but from my personal opinion i think eggs are the best option
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Unvers on August 10, 2017, 07:26:30 AM
Hi Unvers
Eggs cant be taken to stop a POIS episode. Eggs slowly removes depression, improves cognition, it reduces pois duration, it stopped nocturnal emission for me....I have been taking eggs for 2 yrs 8 months. It takes lot of time, but from my personal opinion i think eggs are the best option

Ok, I prefer to abstain to avoid POIS but the few times I will have an orgasm I will choose eggs to have a relief, eating many eggs every day can be harmful to health I think.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on August 20, 2017, 01:58:30 PM
Update #3:  I've declared sufficient success with eggs (choline source) to move on with the next steps as of a week or so ago.  General observations:
1) Choline appears to clear speech and muscle/tongue and lip swelling-like issues around the mouth as well as irritability as a function of pois. 

2) I have several of the genes that limit choline and folate absorption.  these seem likely to play a roll in my pois. (23&me + promethease)

3) I tried adding beets (betaine, which is a derivative of choline) into the diet.  Without choline, beets addressed the brain fog side of things, but not the items that choline addressed.

4) when I had too much choline supplement in one day, I appeared to see nose drainage and some of the symptoms that other pois suffers see.  They may have the opposite issue, which is too much rather than too little choline.  Benedryl seems to help some people though I haven't tried- I would bet that the anticholergenic effects of Benedryl could address those with that type of issue.  Just a guess though with very little proof.

5) I've started taking 1/day simple B Complex vitamins (with methylfolate - Thorne brand) and adding in 1/day choline (also Thorne). I add a second choline the evening after O as I take the others in the morning.  For the last week, I have had clear (read almost no noticeable) symptoms.  I will report back in a few weeks to indicate if this is still the case (since one week is not sufficient time to judge and some people have crushing fatigue after 1 week on B vitamins).  See this chain for more info (http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1059.msg9571#msg9571)
 
thanks,
TT
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on August 22, 2017, 09:41:06 PM
Hello guys
I have been searching for relation between serum cholesterol level and depression and i found these articles in google scholar... I felt that i should share these
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/62/1/1.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0447.1997.tb09622.x/full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0140673693925569
There are many other similar articles in google scholar
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Unvers on September 02, 2017, 06:38:20 AM
I am eating a thing called here in Italy "zabaione" that contains eggs, flour and sugar, it's helping me with recovering from yesterday.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: romies on September 02, 2017, 10:02:29 PM
Update #3:  I've declared sufficient success with eggs (choline source) to move on with the next steps as of a week or so ago.  General observations:
1) Choline appears to clear speech and muscle/tongue and lip swelling-like issues around the mouth as well as irritability as a function of pois. 

2) I have several of the genes that limit choline and folate absorption.  these seem likely to play a roll in my pois. (23&me + promethease)

3) I tried adding beets (betaine, which is a derivative of choline) into the diet.  Without choline, beets addressed the brain fog side of things, but not the items that choline addressed.

4) when I had too much choline supplement in one day, I appeared to see nose drainage and some of the symptoms that other pois suffers see.  They may have the opposite issue, which is too much rather than too little choline.  Benedryl seems to help some - I would bet that the anticholergenic effects of Benedryl could address those with that type of issue.  Just a guess though with very little proof.

5) I've started taking 1/day simple B Complex vitamins (with methylfolate - Thorne brand) and adding in 1/day choline (also Thorne). I add a second choline the evening after O as I take the others in the morning.  For the last week, I have had clear (read almost no noticeable) symptoms.  I will report back in a few weeks to indicate if this is still the case (since one week is not sufficient time to judge and some people have crushing fatigue after 1 week on B vitamins).  See this chain for more info (http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1059.msg9571#msg9571)
 
thanks,
TT

Very interesting results, TT. A couple of questions:
1) Have you experienced any difference between eggs, CDP-Choline, Alpha-GPC, or other choline sources.

4) Do you feel any muscle tension when you have too much choline. too much choline can usually be compensated very quickly by taking a small dose of racetame, such as piracetame or aniracetame.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on September 03, 2017, 07:18:39 AM
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: romies on September 03, 2017, 12:32:17 PM
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.

Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on September 10, 2017, 11:31:07 AM
Hello guys
Wanted to give an update....i have been eating eggs daily for 2 yrs 8.5 months... still POIS duration remains the same (1-2 days). i think POIS is an 'all or none phenomenon'.. that is as long as pois is initiated it stays for a particular duration... but if the conditions favoring its initiation is stopped then pois would also be stopped... that is as i get better pois duration doesnt reduce... it remains the same but as days go by the probability of POIS initiation may get culminated eventually....
I am feeling better.. as days go my depression is getting better.. i am starting to understand people and their suggestions which was very difficult for me in the past... feeling very optimistic....but during POIS i still feel agitated and aggressive .... like i said as long as POIS is initiated symptoms persist... this initiation must stop in order to get permanent relief...
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on September 10, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies

Hi Romies,
Thanks for the insights.  I wil check against blood pressure, but I suspect you're correct.  I have for the moment just cut back on total B complex intake but may look at relative amounts of each vitamin to reduce the stronger heart beat effects.  Since exercise also helps me (intense 15 minutes, gets the heart pumping), that makes me wonder if there is a connection between those effects and those of the faster heart beat / possible epinephrine increase.  They both effect the mental fog directly, though the b vitamins have been even more effective.
rs4680 appears fine as does MAOB, though I do see double mutation on rs909525 for MAOA.  In experimenting with timing on choline, I've seen runny nose again. I'm working on timing, but on days post O, I need 1 choline pill in the morning, 1 at night to keep from feeling the effects in my lips and tongue.

TT 
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Spartak on September 10, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on September 11, 2017, 08:03:36 PM
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
I think eggs take a long time for having its effect.... my pois was a type where brain fog never resolves even after 6 days.... now it has become 1-2 days with eggs...it surely helps me
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Unvers on September 12, 2017, 03:45:30 AM
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: demografx on September 12, 2017, 02:40:43 PM
Good question, Unvers.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: ThisType on September 12, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?
Eggs are a good source of choline, which I find has similar rrloef effects as eggs for me
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on October 14, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
Hello guys.... i hv been searching on the net for any testimony about eggs helping against depression..... and i found this article.... i dont know whether this is 100% true but i really wish it to be true
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/comments/2f6eeu/how_i_cured_16_years_of_severe_depression_and/
I felt i should share it
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on January 21, 2018, 06:10:56 AM
Hello everyone.... my update after eating 2 eggs daily...
It has been 3 years 1 month since i have started to eat eggs daily.....i was a normal , energetic happy kid since 6th grade.... then all of a sudden.... i talked very less, felt tired and not interested in any thing....as my parents recall...i started noticing pois when i was 18 years old...
Eggs are helping me against my crippling depression... they have not completely stopped it.... but my way of thinking is becoming more and more like a normal person... still i have pois...i think pois is an all or none phenomenon so that its duration can not be decreased... i think if at all anything cures pois it must stop us from entering pois state of feeling brain fog , tiresness, flu after an o....
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 03, 2018, 01:46:09 AM
Weird that I tried pure oven baked eggs yesterday as a test to a sort of egg allergy I have (I tolerate eggs in oven baked goods as opposed to fried eggs).  I did get some pain and a mouth ulcer from eating just 4 plain eggs, but I slept very very well.  I believe this is from my B12 deficiency from my GI condition and diet, I believe u guys spoke about it previously.  I have a known B12 and D deficiency.  Eggs have a lot of B12, maybe that could be it?  I found a B12 supplement and am taking a microscopic amount and going to see if it improves sleep.

Crazy how one pill is like 16667% or so of daily recommended value...jeez.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on April 08, 2018, 12:01:01 PM
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation and increased frquency of micturition in POIS has also reduced to near normal frequency
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: julius on April 08, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on April 08, 2018, 08:57:18 PM
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.

Hi julius
I think our pois is a very severe form of depression.... there are studies which show low blood cholesterol levels in patients with depression... our neurons are made of proteins and cholesterol.
We with pois are at a different level on the pois scale.... i used to be on the low and severe level of pois scale and used to hv pois after noctutnal emission and also frequent angry outbursts with my parents and brain fog doesnt go away even after pois
Episode stops ....those high on the scale had very few problems in pois for example .... no cognitive involvement...this is just my opinion
   How long hv u been eating eggs julius ??
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: julius on April 09, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
Hello Bulbo,

I don’t remember exactly when I ate eggs for the first time (which is not what you mean ofcourse). I ahave lways liked eggs and have been eating eggs frequently (2 eggs on every other day). This has ever been the case since elementary school. However, I never did it in order to reduce or improve POIS symptoms. I don’t think this egg-eating approach will work for everybody (nothing actually does), but it seems to work for some.

Now that I read your first post a bit more carefully, I see that your POIS-duration has been reduced from 6 days to 1 day over time. You also mention that the POIS-duration depends upon stimulation:

     So i ate 2 eggs daily. By 5th month of starting eggs, i had a strange experience. On a normal day without POIS, i woke up to the brain fog of POIS, i was so desperate and thought that eggs are failing, this brain fog lasted for 6 days. then on the 7th day the brain fog cleared. In that week i realised that my POIS duration has reduced from 5 or 6 days (depending upon stimulation) to 4 or 5 days (depending upon stimulation). I was so happy, at last something has started to work for me.

Can you explain that?

Furthermore, you also say that you experienced brain fog that lasted 6 days without being on POIS. Did you get this more often? What would have caused that? Do you have any idea? I also like to mention that I started a thread in the poll-section about POIS-duration. Since you were able to shorten the duration by 5/6, your case is an interesting one. Maybe you can find it in your heart to fill out the survey:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2663.msg23560#new
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on April 09, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
Becore starting eggs i had brain fog on all days even without ejaculation or stimulation.... after eating eggs the brain fog on non pois days went away.....after starting to eat eggs daily by 5 th month my pois duration reduced from 6 to 5 days...everytime my pois duration got reduced by one day the prior orgasm pois would last for 7 or 6 days. This is the case when  the duration reduced from 6 to 5 or from 5 to 4 or from 4 to 3 days... but in the mean time my pois duration sometimes would reach 5 days.... what i was trying to say that this was the first time in my life my pois duration reduced from 6 days to 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day

Even if my pois duration reached 1 day for the first time in my life.... somedays it may increase to 3 or 2 days.... that why i say that pois is an all or none phenomenon.... meaning however much we progress to a healthy side pois duration doesnt decrease progressively but fluctuates... meaning as long a stimuli for pois is present the duration of pois cannot be predicted
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on May 12, 2018, 08:16:22 AM
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 5 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation and increased frquency of micturition in POIS has also reduced to near normal frequency
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving
5) after 3 yrs 5 months of eating eggs daily i dont get nocturnal emissions now....before starting on eggs i used to hv 3 noocturnal emissions in a week.... now it has hopefully stopped
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: BoneBroth on November 09, 2018, 02:15:26 AM
Eggs contains cholesterol which is the major raw material for hormones. During stress all cholesterol is used to making cortisol and there is no left for making for example testosterone and estrogen. This is called "The Cortisol Steal". Google it or read about it here: https://nicolejardim.com/pregnenolone-steal-great-hormonal-heist/

Maybe the balance of pro- and noninflammatory hormones has become better after eating eggs! Theoretical supplementing with DHEA would also help.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: dizzy on November 09, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
Problem could also be malabsorption of proteins. Some people (including me) benefit from certain amino acids, e.g. taurine, which is present in eggs.

An experiment would be to eat only the egg-whites, and see if that makes a difference.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: b_jim on November 09, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
I don't think taurine is present in eggs. Maybe methionine ?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on November 10, 2018, 12:42:48 AM
Hello guys... my updates of eating eggs for pois
Its been 3 yrs 11 months since i started to eat 2 eggs daily. My depression is getting better... i now realize different levels of thinking as days go by... i also realize how depression makes the brain to not think normally.. my pois still lasts for 2 days 12 hrs.... but my depression and way of thinking, memory, analysing is getting better as months go by... my social anxiety is almost nil
The improvements occur very slowly... its like these changes going on very slowly in my brain.. i have had depression for the past 15 yrs. And pois for tge past 10 yrs...
I now realize that the symptoms vary among us with the severity of depression in our brain... thr are some who get brain fog only with o and others get brain fog even with erection.. this depends upon the severity of depression we have....
Still waiting for the day when pois goes away... will it happen!!!
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Muon on November 10, 2018, 08:59:19 PM
My cholesterol (L) (1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4xrrst7qpg7078/Muon%205-5%20Cholesterol%20glucose%20p1.pdf?dl=0), 2 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zn5i9v3s6my8dcd/Muon%205-8%20Cholesterol.pdf?dl=0))
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on November 11, 2018, 08:08:48 AM
My cholesterol (L) (1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4xrrst7qpg7078/Muon%205-5%20Cholesterol%20glucose%20p1.pdf?dl=0), 2 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zn5i9v3s6my8dcd/Muon%205-8%20Cholesterol.pdf?dl=0))

Hello muon... ur 2008 blood reports show that total cholesterol is 2.2 whr normal range starts from 4.2.... cholesterol is needed for neurons and   for synthesizing steroid hormones... moreover thr is the blood brain barrier which allows only negligible amount of blood cholesterol into brain...normally in the brain cholesterol synthesis occurs.. i suspect for pois patients and people with depression thr is reduced cholesterol synthesis in the brain
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Muon on November 11, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
Doctors always told me the lower your cholesterol the better so they never bothered with it. I don't think it's the core problem of POIS though since there are others on this forum who have elevated cholesterol levels plus elevated stress hormones like cortisol. Maybe it contributes to aggravation of symptoms or creates extra symptoms. Here are some causes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocholesterolemia

I'm leaning more towards malabsorption. Inflammation, altered cytokine levels, and a viral pathogen eating cholesterol are contenders as well. Chronic abnormal levels of cholesterol is also seen in MCAS patients indepedent of their diet. My mother on the other hand has elevated levels despite being skinny just like the pattern Simon66 shows here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2684.msg24995#msg24995

Perhaps I should increase cholesterol intake.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on November 11, 2018, 01:03:37 PM
My cholesterol is a bit too high. But since that blood test I eat less choclat and stopped eating candy. I lost a few poinds since then.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Nas on November 11, 2018, 02:14:32 PM
Doctors always told me the lower your cholesterol the better so they never bothered with it. I don't think it's the core problem of POIS though since there are others on this forum who have elevated cholesterol levels plus elevated stress hormones like cortisol. Maybe it contributes to aggravation of symptoms or creates extra symptoms. Here are some causes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocholesterolemia

I'm leaning more towards malabsorption. Inflammation, altered cytokine levels, and a viral pathogen eating cholesterol are contenders as well. Chronic abnormal levels of cholesterol is also seen in MCAS patients indepedent of their diet. My mother on the other hand has elevated levels despite being skinny just like the pattern Simon66 shows here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2684.msg24995#msg24995

Perhaps I should increase cholesterol intake.

Cholesterol is very important to heal injured cells and tissues. The lack of Cholesterol could be a problem in that it will take longer to heal the indothelium after inflammation ( which could contribute more semen entering the blood stream and thus more systematic symptoms, this is a theory though I can't be sure ).
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on November 12, 2018, 12:20:16 AM
Doctors always told me the lower your cholesterol the better so they never bothered with it. I don't think it's the core problem of POIS though since there are others on this forum who have elevated cholesterol levels plus elevated stress hormones like cortisol. Maybe it contributes to aggravation of symptoms or creates extra symptoms. Here are some causes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocholesterolemia

I'm leaning more towards malabsorption. Inflammation, altered cytokine levels, and a viral pathogen eating cholesterol are contenders as well. Chronic abnormal levels of cholesterol is also seen in MCAS patients indepedent of their diet. My mother on the other hand has elevated levels despite being skinny just like the pattern Simon66 shows here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2684.msg24995#msg24995

Perhaps I should increase cholesterol intake.

You may be right.... but increasing cholesterol alone helps with my symptoms.... so i am left with no other options
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: BoneBroth on November 12, 2018, 07:11:49 AM
You may be right.... but increasing cholesterol alone helps with my symptoms.... so i am left with no other options

Have you experienced any other health improvments after starting eating eggs? Symtoms of low testosterone might be hair loss, skin disorders, fatigue, loss of muscle mass, muscle weakness, man boobs, fat belly. Any improvments here?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Muon on November 12, 2018, 07:31:57 AM
Cholesterol is very important to heal injured cells and tissues. The lack of Cholesterol could be a problem in that it will take longer to heal the indothelium after inflammation.

Yes the lack could be an indication of more demand due to membrane destruction in general. ''One of these is the extremely cytotoxic eosinophil cationic protein (membrane destruction) '' https://www.imd-berlin.de/en/subject-information/diagnostics-information/ecp-eosinophil-cationic-protein.html
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on November 12, 2018, 10:45:00 PM
You may be right.... but increasing cholesterol alone helps with my symptoms.... so i am left with no other options

Have you experienced any other health improvments after starting eating eggs? Symtoms of low testosterone might be hair loss, skin disorders, fatigue, loss of muscle mass, muscle weakness, man boobs, fat belly. Any improvments here?
I hv a lean body... i hv always been lean. I used to have irritable bowel with bowel frequency of 3 per day, frequent urination, extreme muscle weakness after an o,pois lasts for 6 days, thin skin over the face. I used to get tired with brainfog after eating any tablets including antibiotics, vitamins

After starting eggs i have now gained 3 kilogram. My bowel movement hv become normal of 1 per day.No frequent urination. Only negligible physical weakness after o. But brain fog and mental tiredness still present. Pois reduced from 6 days to 2.5 days.proteins in egg have helped me very much for hair growth but it could be also due to limiting the no. Of orgasms. Now i dont get tiredness and brain fog with antibiotics, vitamins, cetrizine
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: BoneBroth on November 14, 2018, 04:01:31 AM
Keep up with eggs! But be sure they comes from organic farming. Who knows what they feed the chickens in industrial farms.

Thin skin is a sign of collagen break down in the dermis. Something in the POIS cascade seems to be breaking down the collagen. I had a QRMA analyse that confirmed that I am low in collagen too and its visible in my face. Its probably happening in the whole body but is more visible in the face since the dermis is already thin there.

However, the dermis could be rebulit with the right internal and external strategies. Those include exfoliation (skin exercise), skin nutrition topically (most important vitamins are vitamin A and C) and nutrtition internally.

Se all skin care videos by pharmacist Ben Fuchs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQbotlx50k
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Muon on January 04, 2019, 09:14:14 AM
Take a look at the topic below, it may be relevant for this thread or at least giving some food for thought:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2877.0
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on January 13, 2019, 01:14:20 AM
Hi guys... i hv been not using internet for the past 3 months.... had an exam approaching.... i would say that when i started eating 2 eggs a day, i used to hv a type of pois whr brain fog never goes away (i.e) no clear demarcation between pois and normal days...after eating eggs for 4 months, only then i could differentiate normal from pois days.... and initially my pois used to last 6 to 7 days and depression was terrible to the point whr i actually tried to commit suicide....
Now i hv been eating eggs daily for the past 4 yrs... with eggs it takes a lot of time. But now i hv become a lot functional and my depression has got better significantly...I do not know the mechanism how eggs work... but judging by its slow action i predict that it has to do something with neurons because neurons grow at a slow rate... thr is also the theory that neurons stop growing after 2 to 3 yrs of birth... but recent research do show that even in adults some neurons do indeed multiply and grow...or it could do with establishing new synapses... and moreover thr is the blood brain barrier which allows only 1% of body fat to enter brain which is needed for neurons growth, multiplication and function
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Wolf berry on January 13, 2019, 02:34:03 AM
Eggs make my POIS symptoms worse during pois. I though it helps my pois symptoms LOL!!
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: BoneBroth on January 15, 2019, 08:27:07 AM
During POIS the gut might be inflamed and leak substances that can cause allergic reactions and brain fog. Proteins, specifically from eggs, grains and beans are known allergens. Avoid any protein rich food during POIS. Best thing should be to just water fast two days and drink Aloe Vera to heal the inflammation of the gut. Add liquid vitamin C and perhaps calcium bentonite clay.

During a non-POIS phase eggs could on the contrary be a very good thing. It isone of the bets the raw material to build hormones.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Muon on February 03, 2019, 01:12:33 PM
Bulbo have you ever tried pyridostigmine?
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on February 04, 2019, 02:56:01 AM
Bulbo have you ever tried pyridostigmine?
Hello muon... i hv never tried pyridostigmine.. I think pyridostigmine is used in myasthenia gravis and alzheimers disease
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: dizzy on February 04, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Could it be that low stomach acid is the problem here, causing malabsorption of proteins? There are tons of stories on the web about how hypochlorhydria can mess people up. Not sure what to believe, but perhaps we should take it into account.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Hopeoneday on February 04, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
Yeah, malapsorbtion teory is always hanging here.
We hawe wery suscesfull storyes with foods and vitamins suplements.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: dizzy on February 04, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
The strange thing is that often stuff like Betaine HCl and bile acid factors make me feel better ... for a day; then they stop working. Therefore, I've dismissed the whole stomach acid theory, but perhaps somehow there is still a truth behind it.

Anyway, I've been increasing my intake of protein shakes and bars lately, and I do feel better overall, but it's only a small improvement and could be caused by other things.
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Wolf berry on February 09, 2019, 08:56:01 PM
Hi guys .... it is a long time since i have posted in this forum....its been 23 months 24 days since i started eating eggs daily... i have been eating 2 eggs daily.... but for the past 20 days i reduced it to one egg per day....Still POIS lasts for 2 days.... but day by day i am becoming more calm, understanding my strengths and weakness, very optimistic in life, no angry outbursts, increasing energy levels.....i hope pois goes away... will keep u updated about my experiences

If eating eggs help your pois symptons i suggested you to try Lamb meat, Beef, Crickets , chicken, Crab, lobster, oyster, Prawn basically Heavy protein diet..

All the best, Wolf berry
Title: Re: Eggs for POIS
Post by: Bulbo on February 14, 2019, 01:35:56 AM
Thanks wolf berry.... i will try ur suggestions