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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2017, 07:18:39 AM »
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.

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« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2017, 12:32:17 PM »
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.

Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies

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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2017, 11:31:07 AM »
Hello guys
Wanted to give an update....i have been eating eggs daily for 2 yrs 8.5 months... still POIS duration remains the same (1-2 days). i think POIS is an 'all or none phenomenon'.. that is as long as pois is initiated it stays for a particular duration... but if the conditions favoring its initiation is stopped then pois would also be stopped... that is as i get better pois duration doesnt reduce... it remains the same but as days go by the probability of POIS initiation may get culminated eventually....
I am feeling better.. as days go my depression is getting better.. i am starting to understand people and their suggestions which was very difficult for me in the past... feeling very optimistic....but during POIS i still feel agitated and aggressive .... like i said as long as POIS is initiated symptoms persist... this initiation must stop in order to get permanent relief...
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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2017, 12:46:13 PM »
Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies

Hi Romies,
Thanks for the insights.  I wil check against blood pressure, but I suspect you're correct.  I have for the moment just cut back on total B complex intake but may look at relative amounts of each vitamin to reduce the stronger heart beat effects.  Since exercise also helps me (intense 15 minutes, gets the heart pumping), that makes me wonder if there is a connection between those effects and those of the faster heart beat / possible epinephrine increase.  They both effect the mental fog directly, though the b vitamins have been even more effective.
rs4680 appears fine as does MAOB, though I do see double mutation on rs909525 for MAOA.  In experimenting with timing on choline, I've seen runny nose again. I'm working on timing, but on days post O, I need 1 choline pill in the morning, 1 at night to keep from feeling the effects in my lips and tongue.

TT 

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2017, 06:20:17 PM »
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
no sugar diet helps me a tiny bit, also makes my mind much calmer in general. Sugar is definitely something my body does not handle well. Also I noticed that other inflammations like a hangover are better since I quit sugar. I avoid sweet fruits as well.

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« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2017, 08:03:36 PM »
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
I think eggs take a long time for having its effect.... my pois was a type where brain fog never resolves even after 6 days.... now it has become 1-2 days with eggs...it surely helps me

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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2017, 03:45:30 AM »
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?

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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2017, 02:40:43 PM »
Good question, Unvers.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2017, 09:11:18 PM »
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?
Eggs are a good source of choline, which I find has similar rrloef effects as eggs for me

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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2017, 09:08:16 AM »
Hello guys.... i hv been searching on the net for any testimony about eggs helping against depression..... and i found this article.... i dont know whether this is 100% true but i really wish it to be true
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/comments/2f6eeu/how_i_cured_16_years_of_severe_depression_and/
I felt i should share it
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2018, 06:10:56 AM »
Hello everyone.... my update after eating 2 eggs daily...
It has been 3 years 1 month since i have started to eat eggs daily.....i was a normal , energetic happy kid since 6th grade.... then all of a sudden.... i talked very less, felt tired and not interested in any thing....as my parents recall...i started noticing pois when i was 18 years old...
Eggs are helping me against my crippling depression... they have not completely stopped it.... but my way of thinking is becoming more and more like a normal person... still i have pois...i think pois is an all or none phenomenon so that its duration can not be decreased... i think if at all anything cures pois it must stop us from entering pois state of feeling brain fog , tiresness, flu after an o....

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« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2018, 01:46:09 AM »
Weird that I tried pure oven baked eggs yesterday as a test to a sort of egg allergy I have (I tolerate eggs in oven baked goods as opposed to fried eggs).  I did get some pain and a mouth ulcer from eating just 4 plain eggs, but I slept very very well.  I believe this is from my B12 deficiency from my GI condition and diet, I believe u guys spoke about it previously.  I have a known B12 and D deficiency.  Eggs have a lot of B12, maybe that could be it?  I found a B12 supplement and am taking a microscopic amount and going to see if it improves sleep.

Crazy how one pill is like 16667% or so of daily recommended value...jeez.
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My POIS managed with Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut

Current supps: microdose of zyrtec and gaia liquid olive leaf extract for sleep. Micro astragalus and 1tsp ev olive oil for energy .

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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2018, 12:01:01 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation and increased frquency of micturition in POIS has also reduced to near normal frequency
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving
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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2018, 03:35:43 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.

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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2018, 08:57:18 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.

Hi julius
I think our pois is a very severe form of depression.... there are studies which show low blood cholesterol levels in patients with depression... our neurons are made of proteins and cholesterol.
We with pois are at a different level on the pois scale.... i used to be on the low and severe level of pois scale and used to hv pois after noctutnal emission and also frequent angry outbursts with my parents and brain fog doesnt go away even after pois
Episode stops ....those high on the scale had very few problems in pois for example .... no cognitive involvement...this is just my opinion
   How long hv u been eating eggs julius ??
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« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2018, 11:20:36 AM »
Hello Bulbo,

I don’t remember exactly when I ate eggs for the first time (which is not what you mean ofcourse). I ahave lways liked eggs and have been eating eggs frequently (2 eggs on every other day). This has ever been the case since elementary school. However, I never did it in order to reduce or improve POIS symptoms. I don’t think this egg-eating approach will work for everybody (nothing actually does), but it seems to work for some.

Now that I read your first post a bit more carefully, I see that your POIS-duration has been reduced from 6 days to 1 day over time. You also mention that the POIS-duration depends upon stimulation:

     So i ate 2 eggs daily. By 5th month of starting eggs, i had a strange experience. On a normal day without POIS, i woke up to the brain fog of POIS, i was so desperate and thought that eggs are failing, this brain fog lasted for 6 days. then on the 7th day the brain fog cleared. In that week i realised that my POIS duration has reduced from 5 or 6 days (depending upon stimulation) to 4 or 5 days (depending upon stimulation). I was so happy, at last something has started to work for me.

Can you explain that?

Furthermore, you also say that you experienced brain fog that lasted 6 days without being on POIS. Did you get this more often? What would have caused that? Do you have any idea? I also like to mention that I started a thread in the poll-section about POIS-duration. Since you were able to shorten the duration by 5/6, your case is an interesting one. Maybe you can find it in your heart to fill out the survey:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2663.msg23560#new

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« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2018, 09:25:39 PM »
Becore starting eggs i had brain fog on all days even without ejaculation or stimulation.... after eating eggs the brain fog on non pois days went away.....after starting to eat eggs daily by 5 th month my pois duration reduced from 6 to 5 days...everytime my pois duration got reduced by one day the prior orgasm pois would last for 7 or 6 days. This is the case when  the duration reduced from 6 to 5 or from 5 to 4 or from 4 to 3 days... but in the mean time my pois duration sometimes would reach 5 days.... what i was trying to say that this was the first time in my life my pois duration reduced from 6 days to 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day

Even if my pois duration reached 1 day for the first time in my life.... somedays it may increase to 3 or 2 days.... that why i say that pois is an all or none phenomenon.... meaning however much we progress to a healthy side pois duration doesnt decrease progressively but fluctuates... meaning as long a stimuli for pois is present the duration of pois cannot be predicted

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« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2018, 08:16:22 AM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 5 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation and increased frquency of micturition in POIS has also reduced to near normal frequency
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving
5) after 3 yrs 5 months of eating eggs daily i dont get nocturnal emissions now....before starting on eggs i used to hv 3 noocturnal emissions in a week.... now it has hopefully stopped

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« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2018, 02:15:26 AM »
Eggs contains cholesterol which is the major raw material for hormones. During stress all cholesterol is used to making cortisol and there is no left for making for example testosterone and estrogen. This is called "The Cortisol Steal". Google it or read about it here: https://nicolejardim.com/pregnenolone-steal-great-hormonal-heist/

Maybe the balance of pro- and noninflammatory hormones has become better after eating eggs! Theoretical supplementing with DHEA would also help.

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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2018, 10:26:39 AM »
Problem could also be malabsorption of proteins. Some people (including me) benefit from certain amino acids, e.g. taurine, which is present in eggs.

An experiment would be to eat only the egg-whites, and see if that makes a difference.
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