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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2017, 07:18:39 AM »
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2017, 12:32:17 PM »
Hi Romies,
I haven't tried more than just the Thorne choline - it seemed a good first cut given the form that it is in. I have found that I've had to cut back on the b vitamins other than choline as they make my heart race and beat harder. I now do 1/3 of a capsule every other day.
I haven't had much muscle tension though I have found more active chest muscle pains as a result of the b vitamins and choline. I try to limit dosage so I think I've only experienced the higher choline levels once. It was just that once I also experienced sudden onset of nose drainage. Thanks for the recommendation though - will look into it if that comes up again.

Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2017, 11:31:07 AM »
Hello guys
Wanted to give an update....i have been eating eggs daily for 2 yrs 8.5 months... still POIS duration remains the same (1-2 days). i think POIS is an 'all or none phenomenon'.. that is as long as pois is initiated it stays for a particular duration... but if the conditions favoring its initiation is stopped then pois would also be stopped... that is as i get better pois duration doesnt reduce... it remains the same but as days go by the probability of POIS initiation may get culminated eventually....
I am feeling better.. as days go my depression is getting better.. i am starting to understand people and their suggestions which was very difficult for me in the past... feeling very optimistic....but during POIS i still feel agitated and aggressive .... like i said as long as POIS is initiated symptoms persist... this initiation must stop in order to get permanent relief...
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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2017, 12:46:13 PM »
Hi ThisType,

My guess on the icreased heart rate may be due to elevated peripheral epinephrine, which can occur with Methyl-B12 and methyl-folate supplementation, since overmethylation helps to convert dopamine to epinephrine. If this hypothesis is true, you should also see blood pressure increase as well.

What is your 23andme results on your COMT SNPs, particularly rs4680 (Val158Met)? That is the one that could slow down epinephrine breakdown. Also any non-wildtype variant you see in your MAOA, MAOB gene?

I very much agree with you that high Ach level can cause runny nose. Is your choline intakes spaced out through the day, e.g. Eggs for breakfast and dinner, and PC (thrones) for lunch?

Romies

Hi Romies,
Thanks for the insights.  I wil check against blood pressure, but I suspect you're correct.  I have for the moment just cut back on total B complex intake but may look at relative amounts of each vitamin to reduce the stronger heart beat effects.  Since exercise also helps me (intense 15 minutes, gets the heart pumping), that makes me wonder if there is a connection between those effects and those of the faster heart beat / possible epinephrine increase.  They both effect the mental fog directly, though the b vitamins have been even more effective.
rs4680 appears fine as does MAOB, though I do see double mutation on rs909525 for MAOA.  In experimenting with timing on choline, I've seen runny nose again. I'm working on timing, but on days post O, I need 1 choline pill in the morning, 1 at night to keep from feeling the effects in my lips and tongue.

TT 

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2017, 06:20:17 PM »
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
For now only heathier diet gave me minor fatigue relief, I am still unable to think, to work, to enjoy and to socialise during POIS.

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« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2017, 08:03:36 PM »
Eggs generally are not POIS friendly food in my case, but they don't affect me that much.
I eat them quite often because since I quite sugars,it became harder to find better ideas for fast meal.
I think eggs take a long time for having its effect.... my pois was a type where brain fog never resolves even after 6 days.... now it has become 1-2 days with eggs...it surely helps me

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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2017, 03:45:30 AM »
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?

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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2017, 02:40:43 PM »
Good question, Unvers.
10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2017, 09:11:18 PM »
Sorry guys if already said but the topic is long, what is precisely the substance contained in eggs that helps with POIS? Histamine?
Eggs are a good source of choline, which I find has similar rrloef effects as eggs for me

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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2017, 09:08:16 AM »
Hello guys.... i hv been searching on the net for any testimony about eggs helping against depression..... and i found this article.... i dont know whether this is 100% true but i really wish it to be true
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/comments/2f6eeu/how_i_cured_16_years_of_severe_depression_and/
I felt i should share it
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2018, 06:10:56 AM »
Hello everyone.... my update after eating 2 eggs daily...
It has been 3 years 1 month since i have started to eat eggs daily.....i was a normal , energetic happy kid since 6th grade.... then all of a sudden.... i talked very less, felt tired and not interested in any thing....as my parents recall...i started noticing pois when i was 18 years old...
Eggs are helping me against my crippling depression... they have not completely stopped it.... but my way of thinking is becoming more and more like a normal person... still i have pois...i think pois is an all or none phenomenon so that its duration can not be decreased... i think if at all anything cures pois it must stop us from entering pois state of feeling brain fog , tiresness, flu after an o....

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« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2018, 01:46:09 AM »
Weird that I tried pure oven baked eggs yesterday as a test to a sort of egg allergy I have (I tolerate eggs in oven baked goods as opposed to fried eggs).  I did get some pain and a mouth ulcer from eating just 4 plain eggs, but I slept very very well.  I believe this is from my B12 deficiency from my GI condition and diet, I believe u guys spoke about it previously.  I have a known B12 and D deficiency.  Eggs have a lot of B12, maybe that could be it?  I found a B12 supplement and am taking a microscopic amount and going to see if it improves sleep.

Crazy how one pill is like 16667% or so of daily recommended value...jeez.
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My POIS 100% managed with modified Paleo Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O and stimulation = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut. Can O freely. Current supplements: tolerase g at times.

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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2018, 12:01:01 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation and increased frquency of micturition in POIS has also reduced to near normal frequency
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving
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Re: Eggs for POIS
« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2018, 03:35:43 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.

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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2018, 08:57:18 PM »
Hello everyone... i am posting my progress with consuming eggs daily..
Its been 3 years 3 months since i started eating eggs daily... now adays i eat 2 eggs daily...Pois duration remains the same... it may be 1 day or 2 or 3 days.... but some of the improvements i noticed during this dietary change was.....
1) by nearly 1 yr after starting on eggs  i dont get pois after nocturnal emission..
2) i used to shit 3 times a day before this dietary change... but after 2.5 yrs on eating eggs daily then i shit only once in a day
3) the most recent improvemwent i noticed after 3 yrs and 3 months is that now a days i dont get flu symptoms upon ejaculation
4) My level of thinking before starting eggs was very low.... i was very depressed with suicidal thoughts and angry outbursts... after starting to eat eggs daily my way of thinking is getting better ...my memory and cognition is improving

That’s interesting, Bulbo. I don’t get POIS after NE also. I have never experienced POIS after NE.I happen to be an egg-eater too. I eat 6 eggs weekly on average. I never considered these two to be related.

Hi julius
I think our pois is a very severe form of depression.... there are studies which show low blood cholesterol levels in patients with depression... our neurons are made of proteins and cholesterol.
We with pois are at a different level on the pois scale.... i used to be on the low and severe level of pois scale and used to hv pois after noctutnal emission and also frequent angry outbursts with my parents and brain fog doesnt go away even after pois
Episode stops ....those high on the scale had very few problems in pois for example .... no cognitive involvement...this is just my opinion
   How long hv u been eating eggs julius ??
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