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Warrior's Journal (My POIS Solution, Experiments, & Theories)
« on: August 19, 2021, 02:40:41 AM »
    Warrior's (r/tteezzkk) POIS Solution, Experiments, & Theories

    Warrior's Release Protocol (Click here for detailed video):
    • Animal-Based Diet by Paul Saladino: The most effective diet for my POIS. If you can't do Animal-Based, the next best would be the Perfect Health Diet by Paul and Shou-Ching Jaminet. Diet is the most important aspect of my POIS solution, mostly to do with taking away plant foods that exacerbate my POIS.
    • Fenugreek "Nature's Own dry seed extract pill 1000mg": Take 30-50 min before and immediately after. Take it every morning & on POIS recovery days take it 2-3x - once in the morning, once at noon, & another in the evening especially if socialising.
    • Fresh raw minced garlic: Let it sit for 5-10 min before consuming, take 30-50 min before and immediately after. Garlic should be nice and wet when minced, if not it's probably old and dry, discard and get fresh garlic. Take it every morning & on POIS recovery days take it 2-3x - once in the morning, once at noon, & another in the evening especially if socialising.
    • 200-300g+ red meat & 2-3 eggs, ideally 1-2 servings throughout the day: Nutritional powerhouses. You'd be having these anyway following an Animal-Based or Perfect Health Diet.
    • Vitamin B Complex "Nature's Own Ultra B 150 Forte": Amazing for the mind. POIS seems to drain my B vitamins like hell, and this brand/complex work perfectly for me, most likely because of the choline. I've tested other brands, even more active complexes and they don't work as well as this one personally. This had an absolutely potent effect on me when I first began taking it. I take every 2nd day or so.
    • Ideally release at night-time: Doing it during the day generally fucks it up, take 100mg magnesium citrate & deep sleep the recovery away

    BEST to WORST diets in ascending order for my POIS:
    1. Animal-Based (optimal - emphasises nutrient rich animal-based foods while cutting out inflammatory foods. Very mild POIS symptoms - No social apathy.)
    2. Perfect Health Diet (step up from #3, as cuts out ALL grains, legumes, etc - which are def inflammatory for my POIS, but still includes vegetables/plants/roots. Mild-moderate POIS symptoms - more prone to social apathy.)
    3. Gluten-Free Wholefoods (same as #4, but extra nutrition emphasising wholefoods is obz better. Moderate POIS symptoms)
    4. Gluten-Free (big step up from gluten, but still eating foods triggering inflammation - most likely veggies, gluten-free grains, etc. Moderate POIS symptoms)
    5. Normal diet that includes gluten (by far the most inflammatory/chaotic/drives my POIS symptoms to their MAX)


    Generally speaking, the more plant foods I eat, the worst my condition is. Gluten being the worst, probably followed by gluten-free grains & legumes, which is why animal-based is superior.

    My POIS solution works in 3 main ways:
    1) Elimination of plant foods that worsen my POIS (theory: leaky gut & dysfunctional immune system associated with my POIS type, sensitive to lectins found in plants)
    2) Incorporation of medicinal plants that have a potent effect of neutralising existing inflammation (raw garlic & fenugreek)
    3) Inclusion of nutrient-dense foods (red meat & eggs)

    Warning: Remain vigilant for spontaneous light POIS. Most likely triggered through unconscious retrograde releases and/or strong arousal:

    I basically take fenugreek & raw garlic daily. Sometimes twice. This acts as a "security" measure against this. I have spoken to a herbalist and functional medicine specialist, and they have no concerns taking raw garlic & fenugreek in the amounts I am taking them daily. About 1/3 clove of garlic and 1g fenugreek seed.

    Currently following a diet that's basically split autoimmune protocol (AIP) and animal-based (AB).

    Even on this, I sometimes experience spontaneous POIS from either an unknown retrograde release or sexual stimulation. It catches you off guard. I haven't released in days, and then out of nowhere I'm feeling POISY but I don't put it down to POIS because I haven't released in over a few days at least. It's not until I take some fenugreek and garlic that I realize it was POIS. Mind you it's no where near as intense as what my old POIS was, but it's still annoying enough to take a dose of fenugreek and garlic. It's for these reasons that I am interested in healing/reversing the condition at the root cause.
    Retrograde ejaculations are sneaky buggers. They can occur anytime with strong arousal and can sneak under the radar by giving you a very light POIS. Has happened to me a few times now. Manifests as maybe 10-30% of normal POIS intensity of symptoms, without the fatigue. Mild brain fog, feeling lazy and unmotivated, feeling a tad more anxious than usual, but nowhere near as anxious as a full blown POIS episode.

    Things I need to test & experiment with:
    • Other nutrients, vitamins, minerals, herbs, plants, supplements, nootropics, etc. Magnesium citrate, zinc, PERQUE potent C guard, iron, when taken together seemed to improve POIS state. On multiple occasions, I've noticed magnesium & zinc supplementation when taken together improve mood in POIS state. So much more to experiment with.
    • Nanna1s protocols
    • Niacin/nicotinamide (vitamin b3) & green tea combo.

    Additional Protocol Info:
    • Apply the same protocol to retrograde release and/or strong arousal (even though the resulting POIS is not as intense)
    • After dicing/mincing raw garlic, wait 5-10 minutes for the optimal amount of allicin to form. Coat it in a generous amount of honey to swallow with milk or apple cider vinegar (removes the unpleasant taste of garlic from your mouth)
    • If the clove is very large, cut half or 1/3 of it to ingest, and toss the rest. A big full clove is unnecessary and will probably make you stink
    • Be careful of consuming too much garlic, as it will leak out of your pours and stink. Wear nice natural deodorant/cologne
    • Garlic pills suck compared to fresh raw minced garlic. Use raw minced garlic as a minimum when testing this
    • Garlic and fenugreek work the same if taken before OR after release, but it's probably ideal if taken beforehand AND after
    • Live natural lifestyle as much as possible - sunlight, nutrient dense foods, exercise, take in the fresh air, live stress-free, etc.
    • Get yo self one of these bad boys



    Old Notes, Links, & Posts
    Effectiveness of animal-based diet versus autoimmune protocol diet on POIS
    Latest update on my POIS, a new hypothesis to how/why my solution works
    Initial overwhelming success with fenugreek & garlic
    My POIS story & journey
    Appointment with Dr. Michael Lowy (POIS specialist)
    Great post on functional medicine & factors to check in regards to healing POIS from the root cause

    Currently seeing Oscar Sierra at Sierra Collaborative Medicine: https://www.sierracollaborativemed.com/
    He's honestly been amazing and would highly recommend.

    NAC, Quercetin + Choline Experiment
    15/01/23
    Tested NAC, Quercetin, + Choline: didn't notice much difference tbh to garlic + fenugreek. Potentially something to these, especially the choline + eggs (eggs are high in choline).

    A note on B-Complex's: Nature's Own 150 B Forte (mostly non-active B vitamins) works a lot more effectively for my POIS. LifeExtension's BioActive B Complex (active B vitamins) solved my afternoon brainfog and mood issues. Probably better to rotate between the two brands in general, but use the Nature's Own 150 B Forte for POIS.

    First tested fenugreek & garlic with a gluten-free diet on the 07/07/21. Started a gluten-free diet a few weeks/month prior. ;D

    My old POIS symptoms (thankfully a thing of the past!):
    POIS began when I was around 17-18ish (never had it before then). Symptoms included generalised anxiety (which created & intensified social anxiety), intense physical fatigue, brain fog, agitation, light body aches, for at least 3-5 days depending on how many releases. Severe body aches/pressures in first hour. These became exponentially worst the more I ejaculated in a short period of time. I would need to do 20 days of abstinence in order to ejaculate and not experience POIS. More recently, I have noticed frequent urination, diarrhea (inability to absorb fats it seems), and appetite suppression as additional symptoms to my POIS.

    Raw freshly minced garlic is a lot more effective than garlic pills
    Garlic pills do not work as well as freshly minced garlic which has been sat for 5 minutes before swallowing. Tested using Thompson's Garlic Perles & Australian NaturalCare Garlic Pills with fenugreek dry seed exact and experienced significant reduction of POIS by 70% however raw garlic remains to be much more reliable and potent. Raw garlic gives me insane levels of clarity and energy (a reality where I am thriving) compared to garlic pills, albeit the garlic pills are still effective to some extent (they definitely reduce the dread of POIS, anxiousness, and severe fatigue). However I still experience a low level brain fog and lower energy levels compared to raw garlic - my body feels "full" and alive after eating raw garlic and my clarity is amazing.[/list]
    Would be interesting trying these: https://au.iherb.com/pr/allimax-100-allicin-powder-capsules-180-mg-30-vegetarian-capsules/3418, raw garlic is a lot cheaper anyway.
    « Last Edit: July 15, 2023, 04:23:35 AM by Warrior »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2021, 05:31:05 AM »
    Thanks for posting. Lots of interesting stuff in your reddit post especially, thanks for that.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2021, 10:53:08 PM »
    Some updates.

    Got covid 4-5 days ago. Symptoms have been rather mild - just a flemmy throat and some minor body aches. I am double vaccinated with pfizer. 99% sure I got it from a nightclub in Sydney. Following day I nutted twice. POIS solution still holding up very well. I am now experimenting with a ketogenic diet.

    Edit: Been about a week since I broke self isolation. My sense of taste/smell has certainly suffered (long-covid symptom I believe). Apart from that everything was sweet!

    Edit 2: Been just under a month since contracting covid. Sense of taste/smell came back a week or two ago.  :)
    « Last Edit: January 20, 2022, 05:30:12 PM by warrioronthetrot »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2022, 03:12:21 AM »
    Bought a garlic mincer, and oh man.

    This bad boy. https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/koncis-garlic-press-stainless-steel-60173564/

    Recommend to those who take garlic for POIS  ;D

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #4 on: January 15, 2022, 09:23:21 AM »
    warrioronthetrot: I've used that bad boy for years. Wonder if the allicin is forming as much when you squeeze the garlic as when you are cutting it.
    Do you take the raw garlic every day as maintenance or just before and after O?
    « Last Edit: January 15, 2022, 09:29:58 AM by BoneBroth »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 04:37:25 PM »
    warrioronthetrot: I've used that bad boy for years. Wonder if the allicin is forming as much when you squeeze the garlic as when you are cutting it.
    Do you take the raw garlic every day as maintenance or just before and after O?
    I think it would form just as much allicin. It minces it very thoroughly. I also still let it sit there (as a ball of minced garlic) for 5-10 minutes.

    I take garlic and fenugreek on days I O, whether that be after or beforehand. Beforehand is always ideal but it still works if I just take it afterwards.

    I will also take it on days I experience what I call POIS residue, which only happens when I ingest lectins.
    « Last Edit: January 20, 2022, 05:31:48 PM by warrioronthetrot »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2022, 05:13:49 AM »
    No longer on lectin-free diet. Garlic & fenugreek solution still holding up. Proof of the significance of fenugreek and garlic for my POIS 'solution'.

    Found a fix to my afternoon brain fog and mood disturbances: B-complex. Works like an absolute charm -- improved symptoms by 90%. Must of been deficient in some kind of B-vitamin. I eat a pretty diverse whole food diet so I am pretty surprised I am deficient in B-vitamins.

    What's interesting is that this same afternoon brain fog and mood issues which were improved from fenugreek, garlic, and not eating lectins has now been solved through B-vitamins. The body is very complex. Updating main post to reflect changes.
    « Last Edit: January 16, 2023, 02:51:15 AM by Warrior »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2022, 09:41:24 AM »
    No longer on lectin-free diet. Garlic & fenugreek solution still holding up. Proof that fenugreek and garlic is the root solution to my POIS 'fix', not a gluten free diet.

    Found a fix to my afternoon brain fog and mood disturbances: B-complex. Works like an absolute charm -- improved symptoms by 90%. Must of been deficient in some kind of B-vitamin. I eat a pretty diverse whole food diet so I am pretty surprised I am deficient in B-vitamins.

    What's interesting is that this same afternoon brain fog and mood issues which were improved from fenugreek, garlic, and not eating lectins has now been solved through B-vitamins. The body is very complex. Updating main post to reflect changes.
    Thanks for the update, WOTT, I have updated accordingly in section 3 of the POIS Types Chart :)

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    Re: Warrior's Diary
    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2022, 09:56:39 PM »
    No longer on lectin-free diet. Garlic & fenugreek solution still holding up. Proof that fenugreek and garlic is the root solution to my POIS 'fix', not a gluten free diet.

    Found a fix to my afternoon brain fog and mood disturbances: B-complex. Works like an absolute charm -- improved symptoms by 90%. Must of been deficient in some kind of B-vitamin. I eat a pretty diverse whole food diet so I am pretty surprised I am deficient in B-vitamins.

    What's interesting is that this same afternoon brain fog and mood issues which were improved from fenugreek, garlic, and not eating lectins has now been solved through B-vitamins. The body is very complex. Updating main post to reflect changes.
    Thanks for the update, WOTT, I have updated accordingly in section 3 of the POIS Types Chart :)
    thank you, the POISers all over the world should thank you
    all Chinese can send me a personal message, I have a wechat group. There are doctors researching POIS in Guangzhou, Beijing, Harbin.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2022, 03:31:44 AM »
    Ran an experiment today.

    Hadn't ejaculated for approximately 12 days. Wanted to test the power of fenugreek standing on it's own without the raw garlic.
    Also consumed about 2oz of beef liver, 1.5ish oz beef kidney, and 1oz of beef heart beforehand.

    Ejaculated 3 times in the span of about 2 hours. Took 2 1000mg fenugreek pills after each orgasm.
    Fenugreek did well. The 3 o's did take it out of me energetically, but as far as mental clarity, the mind is feeling sharp (aided by the beef organs as well imo) and good. Energy came back around too.

    Noticed too that the body was 'primed' for the 2nd and 3rd orgasm. The 1st orgam definitely triggered immediate light POIS reaction, but once the fenugreek was absorbed (I took it afterwards) it all settled down very quickly. Which means that it is certainly ideal to take the fenugreek before orgasm, but it is still effective if taken only afterwards. If you take it afterwards you will experience a light POIS come up until the body absorbs the fenugreek and gets to work fixing it.
    « Last Edit: April 20, 2022, 03:56:07 AM by warrioronthetrot »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2022, 02:05:48 PM »
    Ran an experiment today.

    Hadn't ejaculated for approximately 12 days. Wanted to test the power of fenugreek standing on it's own without the raw garlic.
    Also consumed about 2oz of beef liver, 1.5ish oz beef kidney, and 1oz of beef heart beforehand.

    Ejaculated 3 times in the span of about 2 hours. Took 2 1000mg fenugreek pills after each orgasm.
    Fenugreek did well. The 3 o's did take it out of me energetically, but as far as mental clarity, the mind is feeling sharp (aided by the beef organs as well imo) and good. Energy came back around too.

    Noticed too that the body was 'primed' for the 2nd and 3rd orgasm. The 1st orgam definitely triggered immediate light POIS reaction, but once the fenugreek was absorbed (I took it afterwards) it all settled down very quickly. Which means that it is certainly ideal to take the fenugreek before orgasm, but it is still effective if taken only afterwards. If you take it afterwards you will experience a light POIS come up until the body absorbs the fenugreek and gets to work fixing it.

    Fenugreek gave me a lot of help when I used it, glad to hear you find it useful too. I also had a meaty meal before O as part of my routine.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #11 on: April 21, 2022, 05:55:05 PM »
    Fenugreek gave me a lot of help when I used it, glad to hear you find it useful too. I also had a meaty meal before O as part of my routine.
    Yes, I?ve been using fenugreek with garlic for quite some time. Extremely effective for me. But was hesitant to try it on its own because to be honest I wasn?t sure whether it was the raw garlic or fenugreek doing the hard yards of fixing the POIS.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #12 on: April 21, 2022, 05:56:28 PM »
    Seeing as POIS is an issue pertaining to the balls, at least in some fashion, maybe it is logical ancestrally to eat some beef testicle.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #13 on: April 23, 2022, 05:00:20 PM »
    Ran another experiment to double check fenugreek on its own without the help of garlic or any notorious foods i.e. beef organs. My hypothesis was that the fenugreek fixes my POIS mental symptoms, while the raw garlic improves my POIS physical symptoms which is fatigue.

    Ejaculated once last night, primed the body with 2g fenugreek before and after ejaculating. Woke up the next morning, zero POIS mental symptoms, though my body was notably tired (kinda like still waking up tired even though I nice deep sleep). My POIS mental symptoms were debilitating anxiety, brainfog, depression, etc.

    That morning I took some raw garlic with milk to see if any notable change occurs in my energy levels. Definitely felt improvement to physical energy after taking the raw garlic.

    So from now I on I characterise each ingredient as this:
    1) 2g Fenugreek - fixes POIS mental symptoms
    2) Raw garlic crushed - improves POIS physical symptoms of fatigue

    The mental symptoms of my POIS were by far the most debilitating part of my POIS so in a sense, I can get away with not having the raw garlic but the fenugreek is an absolute must for me.

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #14 on: April 23, 2022, 06:42:31 PM »
    Ran another experiment to double check fenugreek on its own without the help of garlic or any notorious foods i.e. beef organs. My hypothesis was that the fenugreek fixes my POIS mental symptoms, while the raw garlic improves my POIS physical symptoms which is fatigue.

    Ejaculated once last night, primed the body with 2g fenugreek before and after ejaculating. Woke up the next morning, zero POIS mental symptoms, though my body was notably tired (kinda like still waking up tired even though I nice deep sleep). My POIS mental symptoms were debilitating anxiety, brainfog, depression, etc.

    That morning I took some raw garlic with milk to see if any notable change occurs in my energy levels. Definitely felt improvement to physical energy after taking the raw garlic.

    So from now I on I characterise each ingredient as this:
    1) 2g Fenugreek - fixes POIS mental symptoms
    2) Raw garlic crushed - improves POIS physical symptoms of fatigue

    The mental symptoms of my POIS were by far the most debilitating part of my POIS so in a sense, I can get away with not having the raw garlic but the fenugreek is an absolute must for me.
    Thanks for this detailed information, WOTT !   I have added a link to this experiment results post in the Fenugreek/Garlic section of the POIS Types Chart :)
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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #15 on: May 04, 2022, 09:30:55 PM »
    Vitamin B complex + methyl b12... can't be said enough. Improves my mental health significantly.

    Fenugreek - prevents chronic mental POIS symptoms ie. anxiety, brainfog, etc
    Garlic - improves physical energy
    Vitamin B complex + Vitamin methyl B12 - significantly improves dopamine/motivation, gives me superior mental health

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #16 on: June 26, 2022, 10:11:55 PM »
    Almost been an entire year since discovering fenugreek & garlic. They both still hold up very well to this day & completely changed my life really, eliminating all the chronic symptoms I used to experience (chronic brainfog, anxiety, fatigue, etc).

    Though I do want to explicitly mention I still do feel subtle (yet very significant) symptoms. Whether they are 'natural' from orgasm, I honestly don't know. Lot's of eastern traditions emphasis how too frequent ejaculations weaken men. Some of them even give ideal ejaculation frequencies. I can ejaculate as much as I please with the fenugreek, garlic, and B-vitamins, however I do lose the extra "edge" that I can only experience when abstaining over a week or two (this extra edge is what I believe these eastern traditions are referring to). This extra edge makes me more loving, more energetic, more "masculine", more confident, overall. While my existence when experiencing frequent ejaculation is a lot more mundane generally speaking. I am more prone to instant gratification activities, less likely to engage in delayed gratification purposeful things, less passionate overall.


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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #17 on: June 28, 2022, 01:15:01 AM »
    Almost been an entire year since discovering fenugreek & garlic. They both still hold up very well to this day & completely changed my life really, eliminating all the chronic symptoms I used to experience (chronic brainfog, anxiety, fatigue, etc).

    Though I do want to explicitly mention I still do feel subtle (yet very significant) symptoms. Whether they are 'natural' from orgasm, I honestly don't know. Lot's of eastern traditions emphasis how too frequent ejaculations weaken men. Some of them even give ideal ejaculation frequencies. I can ejaculate as much as I please with the fenugreek, garlic, and B-vitamins, however I do lose the extra "edge" that I can only experience when abstaining over a week or two (this extra edge is what I believe these eastern traditions are referring to). This extra edge makes me more loving, more energetic, more "masculine", more confident, overall. While my existence when experiencing frequent ejaculation is a lot more mundane generally speaking. I am more prone to instant gratification activities, less likely to engage in delayed gratification purposeful things, less passionate overall.

    any fodmap would not work for me
    union and garlic are massive fodmaps, cant eat any at all

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #18 on: July 02, 2022, 07:42:45 AM »
    Might test going gluten-free again to see if it has any effect on my POIS. When I first tried this stack, I was gluten-free. Pretty sure my energy levels were more sustained back then.

    This is my current POIS stack:
    - Fenugreek
    - Raw garlic
    - Active B complex

    It completely removes all of my chronic symptoms, but I still feel relatively drained overall. I want to see if there are any improvements to my drive and energy on a gluten-free diet. Might also test matcha green tea & nictoinamide again, to see if I notice any difference.
    « Last Edit: July 02, 2022, 07:35:55 PM by warrioronthetrot »

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    Re: Warrior's Diary (POIS solution & general info)
    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2022, 09:42:25 PM »
    Testing

    Raw crushed garlic
    Fenugreek
    B complex

    Higher dose B vitamins (both ACTIVE/METHYL & non-active types, double dosing 1 of each) & sublingual methyl B12 twice.

    Want to see if I can improve my motivation and "thrust" for life after O.

    TESTED EDIT:
    Tested the Active B Complex + Methyl B12. Didn't really notice much of a difference apart from the general improvement I always experience from them. Haven't tested non-active forms yet.
    « Last Edit: July 18, 2022, 03:07:19 AM by warrioronthetrot »