Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)

[bletzer]

I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"

Although sugar has bad effects on health, it really has zero effects on my POIS.  I can eat a whole batch of GF brownies (tons of sugar), orgasm a couple times that same night, and have no POIS.

For a long time I realized my POIS has to do with food sensitivities/allergies, not blood glucose levels.  Again, eating loads of sugar will not help you feel good in anyway for anybody.  I avoid aspartame like the plague though.

If anyone remembers a long time ago I had a pois free month or two and always wondered how or why that happened.  I remembered I used to drink almond milk, as well as.being GF that helped.  So I again went completely gluten free and than dairy free again (sub with almond milk), and POIS was drastically reduced.  Further investigation revealed I had to avoid more grains and some additional sensitivities to get to 99-100%.  These literal bubbles I get in my mouth are a good indication for me if I have a problem with a food or not. 

The good news is I "seem" to be able to tolerate some foods better.  I have been eating Mexican food (hard corn tacos, yellow rice) without reaction from a restaurant and felt decent afterwards.  So, if this crazy sh*t is correct, my gut "may" be healing.

So bjim, I think the correlation with sugar is that it causes bodily inflammation in everybody, but, and take this with a grain of salt, if the intestinal lining is compromised (as believed like I had and possibly still have) and you add inflammatory sugars into the mix, you will probably feel this inflammation more than if your intestinal lining was in good shape and dealing with these sugars.

So for me, gluten and dairy were the biggest culprits followed by brown rice and corn... I literally get gut pain and feel absolutely like sh*t from these grains.  Dairy really just effected my mood and brain fog.  You never know if food is the problem until you try (like I have).  But from what I see I don't think this works for everyone with POIS as a symptom.

And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?

Well said, also Bjim you do not have to necessarily test positive for celiac disease in order for you to have sensitivity to gluten.Many people suffer from Non celiac gluten sensitivity, where blood markers for celiac are absent but they still have very bad sensitivity to gluten and patients generally complain about intestinal pain and POIS like symptoms.

Take this clip for example ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XVwpL7mZ0 ) many patients come in with POIS like symptoms and as soon as the doctor puts them on a gluten free diet they recover comfortably. A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Also just wanted to add that since being POIS free with the diet, right after orgasm I get a sharp pain in my intestines that I never felt when ingesting gluten or carbs. It was more pronounced when I was in Ketosis.

[Quantum]

I didn't look this point since some years but it seems there is a scientific argument :
https://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/is-something-in-your-diet-causing-diarrhea

Sugar. Sugars stimulate the gut to put out water and electrolytes, which loosen bowel movements. If you ingest a lot of sugar, you may develop diarrhea. One of the biggest offenders is fructose, which is found naturally in fruits (such as peaches, pears, cherries, and apples) or added to foods and drinks, such as applesauce, soda, and juice beverages. "Seventy-five percent of people who ingest more than 40 to 80 grams of fructose per day will get diarrhea," says gastroenterologist Dr. Norton Greenberger, a Harvard Medical School professor. Another offender: artificial sweeteners such as sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol (found in sugar-free gum, candy, and medications).

Maybe the secret is here. Avoiding sugar or gluten to save electrolytes in competition.

In my case, fructose don"t increase the Pois and the diarreahas symptoms. So, the culprit must be glucose and Na+ electrolyte.

Other electrolyte : Ca++ (explaining muscle tremors in Pois ?)
                           Iron
                            Bicarbonate
                             k

Maybe we should test electrolytes before and after orgasm and follow a diet balancing them

Interesting thoughts, b_jim. 

POIS is a complex puzzle with many pieces.  Electrolytes seem to be a part for me, since I have potassium, and magnesium, in my pre-pack, and both are clearly useful for me in POIS.  Magnesium for anxiety and energy level, and potassium for hypotension, and hard-pounding heart related to extreme fatigue, and for fatigue level itself.  I also use potassium after sport for the same reason ( I probably lose too much potassium when sweating, or through muscle activity, since muscle contraction throws potassium out of the muscular cells... I may have a genetic defect of the sodium/potassium ions pump ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%2B/K%2B-ATPase ), at cellular level, so my potassium goes back too slowly in the cells.....just another hypothesis...)

[Hopeoneday]

Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

[Going less Crazy]

Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

Lectins are basically the irritating content in food. I do see some similarities, for example: grains, uncooked beans, dairy and nightshades, chickpeas, avacados, bananas,etc... But not carrots, salmon or sweet potatoes.  Perhaps a day i can look into it more, or maybe somebody can for me by what's listed on the first post on this thread.  I found another good site:

https://www.superfoodly.com/foods-high-in-lectins/

I'm not sure if my diet so far is exactly like a lectin avoidance diet, but it looks quite similar...on second look it looks very similar.  Garlic, casein, a lot of the stuff on their I avoid.  But it makes sense that not everyone would have a problem with every lectin.

A promising thing for me is the enzyme i am taking is supposed to cut proline-rich molecules to essentially make it non-immunogenic before it enters the small intestine (not 100%, but close to 90 and it continues working from there).  It just so happens that lectins (I'm not sure if all?) are rich in proline!  While it's too early to report on this enzyme yet, I seem to be doing okay so far on it (been using it for 2 days).

[Rinat]

Hii all I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.

[Going less Crazy]

Hii all I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.

What is this?

[Rinat]

Hii all I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.

What is this?

It is red berry. https://www.inmoment.ru/beauty/health-body/useful-properties-products-k1.html

[Going less Crazy]

Just an update on an enzyme i am taking that breaks down prolamines (in grains).

Pros:

-Haven't had any mouth ulcers/bubbles inside mouth since every time I took it right before problematic food
-no real identifiable pain yet in gut

Cons:

- causes insomnia
- causes heart palpitations
- does not prevent my mood reaction to nightshades so far (tomato sauce tried)

So every time I took it with grains it seems to have worked (tried corn and rice), however, the insomnia is the hard part.  This is where I combined it with olive leaf extract to get a better sleep, but it was not the best sleep.  I do not like taking ole more than one day a week.

This is where I am at now.

[Muon]

A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Interesting, IL-8 is elevated in those patients.
Aside from that I wonder if people feel better by the core idea of a diet or the potential avoidance of mast cell triggers in that diet regarding POIS symptoms. For example do people feel better on a gluten free diet because they avoid gluten, is another molecule responsible for improvements or is it a random mast cell trigger which they avoid.

[b_jim]

Indeed, few people have real gluten allergy (celliac disease) but most of us have small allergic reaction with gluten, called gluten sensivity.

[positivethoughts]

Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.

[Going less Crazy]

Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.

That's very good.  I've actually improved to the point where I have been eating Mexican food a lot lately, like 2x week, (gluten free) containing a lot of yellow rice and corn chips safely and without pois if I "O" that day.  I feel gluten and dairy are the main culprits so far (certain nightshades as well for me).

Abdominal pain is a symptom I've never had until adjusting my diet.  I believe it is some sign you are "healing" to a point where you will actually feel the affects of food you are sensitive/intolerant to.  I've had abdominal pain from vitamins/herbs/supplements where the smallest amount taken and I can really notice it.  This is also likely because these markets, especially herbs, are not regulated and could have some gluten or who knows what in the ingredients.

It is extremely good that you are getting a colonoscopy and it is something I've really wanted to get done.  Let us know the results because for all we know many of us could have similar problems.

[bletzer]

Quick update

I took up the GLC diet, however I quickly realized I was reacting to beans and foods in the legume family (Return of POIS and abdominal pain). Since then I've reverted back to a Keto AIP Lectin free diet and POIS has vanished once again.

0 fatigue
10x better focus
no social phobia
no pois
no joint pain
perfect regulation of mood
bags of energy
7kg weight loss in 2 months

I feel like I've got my life back in some way. Its clear to me, some people react to certain lectins whilst others are intolerant to others.The lectins in grains however cause me the most problem, I can get POIS symptoms from just eating a sandwich. I think my version of POIS really does stem from inflammatory foods, I didn't notice until I took gluten and all other grains/lectins out of my diet and then reintroduced them and had terrible brain fog and joint pain.

I think taking Omeprazol(Anti acid) for years followed by chronic gastritis, stress, a diet full of grains and antibiotics all contributed to my intestinal permeability(Leaky gut) . This permeability allowed for undigested lectins through my gut and into my blood stream with the help of Lipopolysaccharides. Once in my blood, these lectins cause severe inflammation, which is responsible for my joint pain and fatigue, but more importantly Lipopolysaccharides molecules also cause my body to attack my own thyroid gland and autoimmunity occurs through molecular mimicry. Contemporary evidence also shows that the blood brain barrier is highly permeable by default, so the inflammation caused by these lectins travel through the brain barrier and causes brain inflammation, which is the cause of my brain fog and depressed mood.

So the question I ask myself is, why are my reactions to food intolerance much more severe after ejaculation?.  I want to say that I don't have a medical background and the bulk of what I think comes from months of research and my personal experience.

My theory goes as follows

90% of Seretonin is created in the gut and after ejaculation the brain is flooded with serotonin.
Once ejaculation occurs the body needs to create much more serotonin in order to cope with this demand and will pass directly from the gut to the brain, in the process of this transfer, many more lectins are also let through the gut barrier which causes a worsening of symptoms.

Healing the gut will take time, a high dose of vitamin D, regular exercise ,major lectin free diet and multivitamins are what im currently on. A gluten free diet is not enough as all other grains have variants of gluten which cause inflammation. Gluten free products are usually filled with rye,barely and a number of other substitutes, which may initially help with your symptoms as they dont contain gluten found in wheat which is highly disruptive, however over time symptoms will return due to ingestion of barley, rye and oats.

As suggested by GLC, eliminate all grains and I would say eliminate legumes and nuts for a 3-4 days strictly. Then O and see if you have POIS, it could be the case that this type of POIS is exclusive to me and a few others but I guess you have nothing to loose by having a go. I believe that your reaction to particular lectins is determined by a combination of genes and gut microbiome

Others have discussed similar

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=299.msg14252#msg14252

https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/35rh8o/kurtosis_explains_to_the_best_of_his_knowledge/

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2608.msg22670#msg22670


Once again, im not experience in any medical field and these are just my collective thoughts for the past year and my personal experience.

[Muon]

I also have this scenario in mind:
Dysbiose--->LPS--->Toll-like receptor activation--->activation of mast cells.
Bacterial, Viral or fungal products can all act on the same toll-like receptor type. Even if you suspect one of those 3, blocking certain toll-like receptor types (by TLR antagonists) might be an idea. Lectins are TLR agonists in general especially wheat lectins. If the gut is already disrupted at a certain location via TLR activation (by bacterial, fungal or viral) then lectins might exacerbate this situation.

I already avoid some of these lectin rich foods naturally and it might be worth a try to follow a strict lectin avoidance diet in the near future. The intensity of my POIS symptoms did build up gradually over the years and I wonder why that is. Is there some substance that has been depleted slowly over the years or is it the progression of a disruptive proces of the gut, like a dybiose spreading out. Serotonin might be lower in POIS patients because serotonin producing cells are perhaps being decreased by SIBO/SIFO. I'm also interested in testing for Lipopolysaccharide binding protein.

Perhaps POIS stems from a breach of the gut and we all share the same location but maybe the mechanism of disruption is different, even if there is SIBO one patient can have a different shift in microbiome than others and thus reacting positive to different medicine.

Carbohydrates in general may also exacerbate proliferation of bad Microorganisms. Nuts and seeds are out of the question for me as well as whole grains (most grains that is), makes me wonder if fiber play a role here. Fiber and carbs are main food sources for bacteria. But then again an other theory might be that I'm avoiding mast cell triggers and that these cells are just instable. I don't know, all speculation.

[b_jim]

bletzer, Good post.

[Hopeoneday]

I am hapy to make you resarsh in hard mode
lets fight this fuxxing ilnes hard.

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/assigning-inflammation-scores-foods/#7_Most_Inflammatory

I am real madrid fun , but that game should go in extra time( no penality)

[Going less Crazy]

Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.

[Hopeoneday]

GLC, i agree , if we hawe gut problems, anything else in body wil not work properly!
Delayed food sensitiwity is wery hard to notice!
Since i was a kid, i remeber that i allways be bloated a litle, i didnt pay atention to that. My diet was, chokolade , snaks, candy, chips, dry chease brad sendwichies with cethup and mayonese, icekream, cakes all kindes , white brad, shugary yucies, soda yucies, this was my diet ewry day..., my intake of fat was mostly hidrogenazed herb oil, fried food, big amount of sugar, small amount of helty fats, list of bad food i did eat is endles... sevral times i try to change diets to help my self and eat helty food, but i newer giwe up from bad foods in that period of timees.

[bletzer]

Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.

Yes GLC,Soaking and pressure cooking foods will remove 95% of lectins and do not become problematic. The problem is im not a fan of beans at all.Given that I am intolerant to MOST grains including rice and especially wheat, it is beneficial for me to be grain free and in a state of ketosis as im not constantly craving food. This will also give my gut time to heal and the fact that im not ingesting carbs means that IF I do have a bacterial infection in my gut, then a carb free diet is used to starve the bacteria.

As for whether or not you will be able to tolerate foods after a being on an AIP diet for a while, I really am not sure. I think that food triggers will vary amongst us and that it is heavily dependent on you genetics. I personally believe that years and years of not eating to your cellular predisposition causes leaky gut which leads to autoimmunity. My cholinergic Urticaria is GONE and that was classified as an auto-immune condition, I think its the same reason why if we share the same diet of a parent which has an autoimmune condition it makes your likelihood to be diagnosed SKYROCKET.

More research needs to be done on the role of nutrition on autoimmunity but this abstract of a presentation will be published in the future  ( https://lectinfreemama.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/304-305.pdf ) . If you navigate to the second study you'll  see 95/102 patients with signs of autoimmunity reached resolution. The researcher himself has claimed to put at least 800 patients in remission with auto-immune conditions.

BAD FOOD---Leaky gut---Auto-immunity---POIS

Regards
Bletz

[Muon]

You also minimize the amount of allergens with this diet. Everyone is talking about their gut (myself included) but I don't know, reactions are starting in my mouth the moment they make contact. I wonder if there is a non-IgE mediated allergy at play here. Also cooking food by boiling water doesn't help that much but baking them at high temperatures helps significantly. It's like you are destroying specific molecules here that are responsible for triggering symptoms.