Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Auto-Immune Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: Going less Crazy on March 15, 2016, 05:37:50 PM

Title: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 15, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
*****page continuously updated*****

*  My plans for the future: colonoscopy, continually test foods and expand diet.

I'd recommend for those who believe diet to be a cause to start off doing strict AIP at least for a  month and see if you do better.  After you can try reintroducing certain foods.  This diet is a bit of a modified aip diet.  It's my personal template of foods I can/can't eat.

Long story short... I am ALL GRAIN and DAIRY free with some additional sensitivities (nightshades).  Avoiding all of this I am 100%.  I continuously update this page to expand my diet.

*** Highlighted foods I eat a lot on a near daily basis

***The Eat/Avoid/Careful list is always up to date, contrary to some updates that may have changed (rarely)


https://www.thepaleomom.com/gluten-cross-reactivity-update-how-your-body-can-still-think-youre-eating-gluten-even-after-giving-it-up/

^ explains my problem with cross reactive foods and gluten sensitivity, however, not all bodies are the same.  One person can tolerate one food and another may not, both with a gluten sensitivity.  For example I can have potatoes with no problem.

http://www.immusant.com/clinical-development/celiac-disease-programs.php

^ some hope for a vaccine for those with celiac.  BTW diarrhea is not the norm for diagnosis anymore (I never had that symptom until removal/reintroduction of wheat and certain foods). I am NOT diagnosed celiac though it is highly suspected.

https://www.wellnessresources.com/news/gluten-intolerance-affects-mood-balance-methylation-and-brain-inflammation

^ food and mood

www.cronometer.com

^ add your diet into the website and figure out nutrients/calories.

So I definitely have some form of IBD at the source of this problem.  I don't know if it's celiac, crohns, or something else.  I don't have bloody stool, just very bad mood, gut pain and POIS if I eat bad foods.  I will get a colonoscopy or something along those lines in the future.

*** A change in flavor, size bag, brand could mean a change in tolerability.  Take note of EXACTLY what you eat.

Avoid in order of importance:
- gluten (pain, shit mood, insomnia)
- nightshades (crap mood mostly, insomnia, pois, some nightshades worse than others)
- corn (mainly insomnia)
- dairy
- brown rice (some pain, although no insomnia)
- any other known sensitivities
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UPDATES
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*** Wild salmon to eat, farm raised salmon to avoid (gut pain some damn reason) too lazy now to add to list

3/18/19*** removed Johnsonville sweet Italian sausage.  Added la consenta refried pinto beans. Old El paso refried pinto beans to avoid.

2/18/19*** Johnsonville sweet Italian sausage to eat

10/30*** twinnings camomile to avoid

9/23*** kinnikinnick chocolate chip cookies to eat, kinnikinnick biscuits to eat.  Almond breeze almond milk to eat... Nightshades will cause pois if eaten before orgasm (white potatoes are taboo... limit these)

8/19*** Sorgum to avoid (similar reaction to gluten)

7/2/18*** peaches to avoid for now (citrus)

6/13*** cumin to eat, curry to avoid, black pepper to eat, coconut oil to avoid, limit butter.

6/6 *** soy sauce to avoid (soy obviously),. Jasmine enriched long grain white rice to eat

4/24*** garden of eatin yellow corn chips to eat (minimal problems)

4/9/18*** removed due to possible other trigger.

4/7*** removed due to possible other trigger

3/19*** ShopRite premade GF chili to eat (limit...it has nightshades (tomato))  I think it's called heartland chili or something, in the premade soup section, tested 3x, I will update this later...it comes in plastic container.

2/21*** added oven-baked eggs to eat( in baked goods, not just pure eggs)(standard is eggs baked at 350 F for at least 30 minutes.  I tolerate eggs baked at 325 for 34 minutes in the brownie recipe, also tested on other GF betty crocker recipes.  Egg proteins break down in extensive heat, hence why 80% of egg-allergic people can tolerate oven-baked eggs.  For me, oven baked eggs is no problem.  However, fried eggs or stove-top cooked eggs I get symptoms.  I've been testing this for a while.)

2/20*** natural 100% Mott's apple juice to avoid (gut pain, bad mood... From sugar? The "cloud" in the juice?  I don't know)

2/16*** pure maple syrup to eat.  Blackberries to eat.

2/15**** jalapenos to eat, small amounts, not every day (help with energy and brain fog)

2/4**** cape cod regular chips and cape cod jalapeno chips to eat for now.  I remember trying these without reaction and I just ate both without reaction.  They are GF and made on dedicated lines.  They are good for now.  Get original size... Not sure if party size is made somewhere else.

2/3 **** I f**ked up.  Utz regular potato chips to avoid.  I was reacting to them all along and may have blamed the other flavors of almond milk on my symptoms.  Still looking for a good potato chip brand I can eat as I know I can eat white potatoes.  May be reacting to the utz either from the oil they use (cottonseed) or cross contamination as they have shared lines.  I will try cape cod chips made with dedicated lines and canola oil next. I'll update when I do.

1/31*** BBQ utz moved to avoid (gut pain/cloudy urine from additives)

1/25*** silk almond milk to avoid (pain for some reason), ShopRite kitchen original almond milk to eat, vanilla flavor also to avoid... general update.

1/23*** Fresh (not in microwaveable bag or anything that can add chemicals) Eastern white potatoes to eat, utz BBQ chips to careful.  Chia seeds to avoid.

1/18 *** ocean spray cranberries to avoid (very small amounts ok)

1/17**** utz wavy original potato chips to eat

1/16 **** lays sour cream and onion chips to avoid

*** 1/11/18 **** avoid all squash, Orville redenbacher popcorn (got away with eating regal Cinema popcorn tho without many symptoms) to avoid, BC pancakes to avoid, BC brownies to careful.

12/23*** butternut and spaghetti squash to avoid (causes bad mood)

12/7 *** Basil (herb) to avoid (causes bad mood, gut pain and brain fog, i may have some allergy to it). Also considering moving the Betty crocker foods to eat as they are causing no issues over multiple uses.

11/26 *** Betty crocker GF pancakes to eat/careful.  Betty crocker GF chocolate chip cookies to eat/careful.

11/11**** Betty crocker GF yellow cake to careful (no problems).  Bigelow tea to probably avoid (gut pain, ulcers... think it is caused by the Bigelow tea but not 100% sure)

10/30*** edited honey to eat... only the clear, non-raw kind to eat.

10/29**** Betty crocker gluten free brownies to careful.

10/20*** A2 milk to avoid (same reaction as regular milk), Celestial seasonings chamomile to drink/eat.  Farm Promise ground sausage to eat.  Perdue chicken breast and thighs to eat.

10/16*** Chicken of the sea canned salmon to avoid (cross contamination of something).  Spearmint Pur Gum to eat.

10/14*** It's highly possible a few foods listed to avoid (ex:green beans) I've only had trouble with because of how it was processed.  All grains and dairy are still definite sensitivities.  Added cooking oils to avoid.

9/22*** tapioca to avoid

9/13***. Avoid mayonnaise (eggs), caused pale mouth sores

9/11 *** added farm promise ground beef to eat


8/15 *** try to limit nightshades if you notice a problem with them (white potato, tomato...).  Cooler ranch Doritos to "careful".  Pat lafrieda sausage to eat.

8/13 *** premio sweet Italian sausage to eat

6/23 *** nectarines to avoid (mouth ulcers/gut pain...too acidic? Cauliflower to avoid (had very bad pain, funny I could eat this before the diet without noticeable intestinal pain. Watermelon to eat.  Cantaloupe to eat.  Snickers to careful.  Salmon/other fish to eat.

Update 6/17**** careful with too much olive oil, don't put tbsp after tbsp in food just for calories.  Too much oil can cause inflammation even though it is healthy.

Update 5/31and 6/2**** general update

Update 5/23*** added dum dum lollipops

Update 5/17*** added farm promise slow smoked applewood/hardwood uncured bacon

Update 5/3*** added gold's chicken (orange duck) sauce

Update 4/5*** celery to eat, mangos to avoid, tapioca and coconut flour possibly to eat

Update 3/13*** blueberries to avoid.  May have a personal intolerance to them.

Update 3/3 *** removed utz sweet potato chips (feels inflammatory and bad mood after). *** I'm going to give each food a month now, or a good amount of time before I add them in.*** Limit sugar intake (white sugar, honey), fruits seem to be OK for me tho

Update 2/28/17 *** added utz sweet potato chips and so delicious dairy free coconut milk ice cream

Update 2/23/17 *** added buckwheat to avoid list

Update 2/14/17 *** added sauerkraut and beets, got rid of kettle brand jalapeno chips

Update 1/27/17 *** added Frank's buffalo sauce and Wendy's chili.  White potatoes not so good and note added.

Update 1/25/17*** added Ken's honey mustard and Perdue ground chicken in 2% solution to avoid.

Update 1/18/17***. Beans no longer cause me brain fog or any problems in regard to pois.  I believe my gut has healed a good amount.  I also started drinking bone broth for gut health. Added tequila. Added Terra sweet potato chips.


 update*** eat Autoimmune Paleo Diet if you want to rid all pois symptoms. (If you think diet may be a cause... but I certain didn't know it was a cause until I changed my diet) My diet may have things like beans but they may cause some sort of inflammation.  If you really want mental relief eat an absolutely autoimmune Paleo diet.  Not sure how long you have to eat that way.  Either forever or until gut heals I do not know at this moment.

Some of these foods I now avoid.  To be specific, white potatoes and maybe beans.  I now follow the aip diet and the relief is 100%. 

HERE IS A GOOD LINK if you are really struggling:
http://www.phoenixhelix.com/2013/06/02/paleo-aip-grocery-list/

*** beans are okay to eat, however, they may exacerbate POIS symptoms from O.  I'd recommend either olive leaf extract if that works for you, or avoidance of beans the day you plan to orgasm.

 update**** added eggs to avoid list, added a good brand of white rice for those with white rice problems.  Added aspartame to avoid list

Update**** added sour jacks **** added Swedish fish.. added -garlic to avoid list

update**** removed reeses (dairy), added chickpeas to bad foods, added beans and kB jalapeno chips (careful), removed chocolate.

Update***  avoid all grains and all dairy and eggs

Update*** I believe I've had celiac or non celiac gluten sensitivity for about 10 years undiagnosed.  It may be ncgs because I did not show any nutrient deficiencies, which make me believe my villi are intact. However, I will have abdominal pain, mouth ulcers and bad brain fog/irritability from my diet.  I do not really have diarrhea which is a main celiac symptom (another reason I think it may be ncgs) This led me to react to many different things.  As I follow my diet, some sensitivities should clear up, leading to the diet of only gluten avoidance (I hope).  Read the next update.

 update*** If you feel better after fasting, something like this may be for you.  I can O freely now and the only pois symptoms I have revolve around my diet.  I may have celiac, or something similar, undiagnosed for a long long time resulting in pois symptoms.  I only realized this after taking foods away from my diet and reintroducing them, that's the first time I experienced pain in my abdomen.  This may also be for you if you feel significantly worse after eating pasta.  If you fast for 3 days or so (under medical supervision obviously) than O and experience no symptoms, I feel like your diet is the root cause.  The following is just my personal diet, yours will vary.  I'm probably repeating myself.  I feel the root problem is grains Including corn and soy, also other proinflammatory foods.  My suggestion would be start your own food list and add to that, avoiding grains first.  Reintroduce them and if you feel bad you'll know to keep them out.  Keep adding to the list.  I believe my undiagnosed "celiac" led to other food sensitivities which you'll see below.***

Let me start off by saying I had no idea my symptoms (mostly brain fog, irritability, craving for relief) were caused and relieved by my diet.  Of course, orgasm was the worst thing for me to do and caused all symptoms.  I can now O freely.  Over the course of many months I've developed a diet of foods I can eat and foods I can't eat and must avoid.  I have no gastrointestinal symptoms.  Only after reintroducing certain foods I will feel pain.  Right now I am literally 100% with no brain fog.  I can literally function and feel well even after little sleep.  One of the best things is that my eyes are finally clear and I no longer look and feel like an irritable zombie!  They say eyes say a lot about your state of health. Here's the whole food list so far.

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AVOID:
-All grains, especially wheat and corn, even gluten free substitutes...I haven't tested every single grain, but for now I avoid them
-All dairy
-stove-top cooked eggs, hard boiled eggs(heart palps...gut pain, canker sores)
-Carrageenan (gut irritant, gut pain)
-All chips with corn
-Lays potato chips
-Beer, alcohol, wine (obv alcohol should be avoided especially beer.  I may be able to get away with wine but for now I avoid)
-Bananas (definite brain fog)
-Soy
-raisins
-applesauce (some applesauce has weird additives, 100% apples is fine)
- chickpeas
- garlic
- Aspartame
- Ken's honey mustard dressing (something in it bothers me)
- Perdue ground chicken/turkey in some 2% rosemary solution (may be contaminated with gluten or something else (vinegar and rosemary solution))
- kettle brand jalapeno chips (cooking oils)
- buckwheat
-Utz sweet potato chips (oils)
-Blueberries
-mangos
- shop rite brand organic black beans (may have hidden wheat)
-mouthwash (haven't found one that hasn't bothered me yet, might be because of sucralose but not sure)
-nectarines
-mayonnaise (too much uncooked egg content)
-tapioca
-shoprite codfish? (Gluten?)
-portafino tuna(olive oil)
- cooking oils (heavy brain fog)
- Chicken of the sea canned salmon/tuna (cross contamination)
-A2 milk (same reaction as regular milk)
- Raw honey
- Bigelow tea
- Basil (gut pain, brain fog, irritability)
-spaghetti and butternut squash (caused bad mood)
- all squash
- Betty crocker GF pancakes (eggs not cooked well so I actually react, also reacted to it without eggs, rice not cooked high enough? Some other additive?)
- Orville redenbacher popcorn
-lays sour cream and onion chips
-ocean spray cranberries (very small amounts ok)
-chia seeds
-Silk almond milk
-shoprite vanilla flavor almond milk (not sure about this one)
-honey bbq utz chips
-utz wavy original chips (gut pain, red eyes)
-natural 100% Mott's apple juice (bad mood, gut pain)
-removed
- removed
-soy sauce (soy, gut pain)
-curry (weird mood)
-coconut oil (gut pain, pois)
- peaches (too acidic?)
- twinings camomile
-old El paso refried pinto beans
- Johnsonville sweet Italian sausage

So what is possible to eat??  Here is a detailed list of all foods you CAN eat if you follow this diet.  I do go into detail, because I literally test everything.  Forgive me of the order.

I highlighted foods green that I eat a lot and/or on a "daily" basis

EAT:
-Pears
-shoprite EMPIRE Apples
-Almond milk (without carrageenan) (drink the ShopRite ORIGINAL version, as silk brand causes pain for some reason)
-Turkey
-Roast Beef
-Tuna (without soy)
-gluten free Ground Beef
-Yams/sweet potato (eat this instead of white potato)
-white potato (limit if sensitive to nightshades)
-Spinach
-Broccoli
-Carrots
-Beets
-Lettuce
-Manhattan clam chowder soup (contains soy tho, but I haven't noticed a reaction, for now I will not eat it since it provides only 200 calories)
-vegetable juice
-carrot juice
-Green Beans
-Tomatoes (limit if nightshade sensitive)
-Asparagus
-GF chicken wings (grain free without carrageenan)
-Tomato sauce/paste (low amounts)(be careful of grain additives)
-plums
-honey (only the clear, non-raw honey without pollen grains)
-chick fil a French fries (make sure it's a dedicated fryer)
-chick fil a gluten free salads (never had a problem with the main grilled salad, I get the acv dressing and I don't eat the nuts or granola or blueberries)
-Kraft creamy Italian dressing
-balsamic vinaigrette
-French dressing (wishbone)
-pineapple (small amount)
-Ken's Apple cider vinaigrette (so good)
-strawberries
-black beans (GOYA or Bush's brand)
-olive oil (small amounts you would normally eat, don't put tbsp after tbsp, this will eventually cause inflammation I believe, just like any other fat.  I've had multiple problems with olive oil and I only put a dash in food during SOME meals now)
- Terra sweet potato chips
- Wendy's chili
- sauerkraut
-celery
-golds duck sauce
-coconut flour
- farm promise slow smoked applewood/hardwood uncured bacon
-Tyson chicken breast and thigh
-Pepsodent original toothpaste
- cantaloupe
- watermelon
-salmon, other fish without additives
- premio sweet Italian sausage
- Pat lafrieda sausage
- Farm Promise ground beef
- Pur Gum (I tried spearmint?)
-Celestial Seasonings Chamomile tea
-Farm promise ground sausage
-Perdue chicken breasts and chicken thighs
-Fresh Eastern white potatoes (limit (nightshades))
-cape cod regular chips (regular size) (limit)
-cape cod jalapeno infused chips (regular size) (limit)
- fresh jalapenos (small amount not every day)
- pure maple syrup
- blackberries
- oven-baked eggs in baked goods, not alone(look at 2/21 post update above)
-shoprite heartland chili (limit nightshades)
-apple country EMPIRE apples (actually all apples should be fine)
- garden of eatin YELLOW corn chips (will eventually mess your mood up but I eat these on a cheat day, no intestinal pain)
-jasmine enriched long grain white rice
-Cumin
-Black Pepper
-Salt
-kinnikinnick chocolate chip cookies
- almnof breeze almond milk
-la consenta refried pinto beans

Careful(keep low or none at all,some have hidden corn/wheat or just general sensitivity):
-so delicious dairy free ice cream
-Frank's buffalo sauce (I do tend to get mouth sores with this but I think it is related to it's acidity)
-Sour jacks (if you can tolerate it)
-swedish fish(if you can tolerate it)
- starburst (if you can tolerate it)
-100% agave tequila - maybe safe, maybe.
-veggie straws (EDIT: I can tolerate a little, it does have corn in it...(careful with these tho, I may have had gut pain with them, either from potatoes or corn additives)
--Chickpea pasta (careful, chickpeas can cross react with soy, if you react to this than avoid it)
-dum dum lollipops (I reacted to limited edition so I'm not so sure about this I MAY be able to eat the original version fine but am not so sure)
-Snickers (surprisingly I tolerate these pretty well, maybe a 2/10 in general pain, 0 being none at all.  I tolerate them better than reeses, snickers has actual peanuts instead of peanut butter which may be a reason.  They also have chocolate which has dairy obviously and a little bit of egg.  But I don't think they cross the threshold of me reacting to them with the small amount of egg and limited casein..?
-cooler ranch Doritos (surprisingly maybe a 2-3/10 reaction given my terrible reaction to corn.  Maybe the cooking does something to the corn protein?)
- Betty crocker gluten free brownies. (did not have a reaction to this but it does contain rice flour, for now it's in careful.  It also requires eggs, but I've yet to see a reaction from oven baked eggs)
-Betty crocker GF yellow cake.
- Betty crocker GF chocolate chip cookies
- blue bunny vanilla bean ice cream (no gut pains, however, causes brain fog/irritability, don't eat if you don't want pois symptoms, only eat on special occasions)
-butter (too much causes bad mood, may be trigger)
-kinninkinnick biscuits (added tapioca)

Testing:
-testing quinoa sometime in the future
- veggie chips without corn
- Limit butter
- Limit coconut oil
- Limit oils in general (pain or bad mood for some reason)

Additional questionable:

*GF = grain free
****also remember to look out for hidden additives... for example, carrageenan in Turkey or eggs in sauce.

Some of you may think this is hard especially for breakfast.  I find eating 2 romaine lettuce, turkey and Kraft creamy Italian dressing sandwiches (substituting the romaine lettuce leaves for the bread) to be easily made, along with a pear or Apple and some almond milk to be fulfilling for breakfast.  Eat goya beans every morning as well. Mashed potatoes with almond milk and turkey is also a personal preference.  Again, looking out for additives is a must.

Basically I would say this is a gut healing diet.  My theory is food sensitivities/intolerances cause inflammation in the body and when we O, the body and especially the brain is "breached", causing pois symptoms.  This diet relieved my 24/7 brain fog and all POIS symptoms.  I am able to O freely but still try to keep it for the weekend. I will update my food list whenever I feel appropriate and I have very high hopes the relief will continue as long as I stay on this diet.  GL to all.

-GLC
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on March 24, 2016, 08:27:06 AM
Like GLC also been concentrating further on continuing to improve suitable diet.  Significantly increased fruit portions even further, replaced full fat yogurt with low fat. Most important; reduced standard cheese consumption and replaced it with goat cheese. Fresh version seems best. It seems my general suffering has reduced once again quiet significantly.

Conclusion: Elimination of grains, particularly wheat greatly reduces brain fog.  Change of dairy especially cheese type greatly reduces inflammation (especially chest area for me).
Also tried diet with higher consumption of blue cheese containing loads of penicillin especially during POIS but did not seem to help me much.
Chocolate containing sugar is out of the question.
 
I see wrong diet as partly responsible for intensity of suffering during POIS period as well as Non-POIS period.

Regarless change of diet, supplements, sufficient sleep, exercise, etc. POIS stays present and need to continue homework including techniques to keep suffering under managable levels.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 27, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
Well I had a pretty nice reply and than my phone turned off so here's a short version.

My POIS is still good and can still O freely, again I still try just for the weekends because it does give me more energy when I restrain (practical for all men probably).  I don't take any supplements only one probiotic pill a week for gut health (my personal POIS theory).  Yes haha I'm sorry skittles I can't have because of some additive... And it's not sugar related.  I can have spoonfuls of honey and feel fine, than one mini bag of skittles and feel bad and its very noticeable.  But that's my POIS diet and ppl may react differently. 

Again, I may have some celiac related...gluten intolerance related problem at the core of it all.

Im hoping my pois is all diet related and maybe itll get to a point where i can reintroduce foods, but I will remain on this diet forever if i have to.  One question id like to know is if there is something else going on causing me to react to foods like this...but ill try not to worry about it since worrying isnt too healthy. And ty for the compliments you also.  GL less fogged, Prancer and others.  I will do a mini update of my diet now.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: COLM_2 on March 30, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
After 3 years of a continuing focus on nutritional approaches, aligned with healthy lifestyle (exercise, alcohol avoidance etc), I can say while this has helped me to feel healthier outside of a 3 day POIS cycle, I couldn't say it has had a dramatic effect for me when in a POIS cycle, which I happen to be now. Just ride it out, if that isn't an oxymoron !!!

Avoidance still the most helpful approach for me, but obvious downsides to that of course.

Regards,
Colm
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: POISrival on March 30, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
Thanks for your input GLC

for me, eggs are OK. actually eggs (only boiled) seem to helpful.

Here is my diet list that may be helpful in speeding up recovery of POIS
1- Olive oil (I can confirm it helps, it reduces irritablity)
2- Tuna
3- Vegetables
4- Slightly sweet fruits like apples.
5- Boiled eggs
6- cinnamon drink
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 AM
Interesting.  I didn't know eggs were a problem for me until I took them out of my diet and felt much better.  I was probably eating 3 eggs a day for 6 months before I found that out.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Prancer on April 06, 2016, 01:05:38 AM
I figure as long as I can eat nutella, waffles with a lot of syrup/butter and the occasional bacon strip, I'll be good. (Assuming diet does play a role)
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: notmythirdaccount on April 06, 2016, 10:54:48 AM
Thanks for your input GLC

for me, eggs are OK. actually eggs (only boiled) seem to helpful.

Here is my diet list that may be helpful in speeding up recovery of POIS
1- Olive oil (I can confirm it helps, it reduces irritablity)
2- Tuna
3- Vegetables
4- Slightly sweet fruits like apples.
5- Boiled eggs
6- cinnamon drink

How do you incorporate the olive oil to relieve irritability? Cook with it?
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 06, 2016, 10:59:55 PM
You can just drink a tablespoon or so with water or something.  I also add it to my chickpea pasta.

Prancer that sounds good.  I mean I was eating crap for years though still with pois but never associated it with pois.  So really you just need to eliminate a lot of stuff in your diet for a few weeks and see if you improve.  If not, diet probably doesn't play a role in your pois. But I eliminated things than reintroduced them and noticed mild gut pain right away along with the usual brain fog.

My diet should be somewhat of a guide.  Just tested Bananas (was skeptical) and I cant have them...very very bad brain fog.  I knew I might have had a problem with them before.  But you may tolerate them fine, again, assuming diet is an answer.

So my diet might serve as a template for your own if you choose to go this route.  But our sensitivities.may very.  But I finally found some true relief.

Gl

-GLC
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on April 07, 2016, 02:44:36 PM
When it comes to diet I think its also not only "WHAT" you eat but also "WHEN" and "HOW MUCH".
 
Especially after O, feelings of hunger often trigger for many of us (reported in previous posts). This causes tendency to eat more than usual. Several also reported to easily loose weight in days after O this increases tendency even further to eat larger food volume especially after O.
 
Typical example when you con yourself: have extra large portion of fatty foods like unhealthy french fries with mayo for evening meal (stomach will be nice and full); note that this is going to be a big job for digestion. Within next hour or 2 you have O. Most Poisers will have worsening difficulty to fall asleep due to this combination of bad food and O. Our bodies basically does not seem to cope with this situation. So if you would have had that same food rather for lunch time you would have less difficulty with falling asleep.  It's basically simillar as when going to bed while you have too much on your mind or are full of stress.

Being carefull of what, when and how much only reduces some of my suffering and so does not cure my POIS.

This type of bad fatty food can also be associated as inflamotory food.

It's always important to concentrate on program oneself to sleep as well as possible though I know it's not always easy.

Sometimes during POIS some of us sleep ok so there must be something behind this and this could partly explain it....
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on April 07, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
How do you incorporate the olive oil to relieve irritability? Cook with it?

You can just drink a tablespoon or so with water or something.

Tip: dont drink cold water after consuming oil; it hardens it inside digestion tract

I prefer cooking with coconut oil
and rather pour cold olive oil over food thereafter (not sure if true but heard cooked olive oil can contribute to cancer)

I managed to find avocado oil; apparently good for people with autoimmune issues.....will try it out soon
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on April 07, 2016, 03:10:56 PM
After 3 years of a continuing focus on nutritional approaches, aligned with healthy lifestyle (exercise, alcohol avoidance etc), I can say while this has helped me to feel healthier outside of a 3 day POIS cycle, I couldn't say it has had a dramatic effect for me when in a POIS cycle, which I happen to be now. Just ride it out, if that isn't an oxymoron !!!

Avoidance still the most helpful approach for me, but obvious downsides to that of course.

Regards,
Colm

I agree; avoidance is also my best remedie while it lasts and when possible. lol
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 07, 2016, 10:18:34 PM
Well, I mean I can still O whenever.  I feel like many of you may have at least one thing in your diet causing some sort of inflammation, whether you notice it after eating or not.  If you go this route ID recommend a leaky gut diet, like mine above.  Eggs, dairy, other additives are known causes of inflammation... Again, whether you notice it or not... If you take it out of your diet, you may and I hope that you feel better.

My 24/7 fog went away on this diet.  Before I felt fine eating eggs and it produced no immediate effect after consuming them, it wasn't until I started my diet and removed that and dairy that I found true relief from the fog and pois (grains removed obviously).  However our poises could be different.

I don't want to tell people to do this in order not to violate "rules" or whatever (For me which is not a concern, the internet is filled with all types of crap and you really have to be your own person and use your own judgement).  But if a poiser perhaps has used this diet above, maybe tweeked with there own sensitivities, i'd really like to know about its effect on there pois.  One week.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on April 08, 2016, 11:33:57 AM
It's really strange. Each time I eat SUGAR my Pois comes back. With taurine my symptoms are clearly decreased.
I had an ejaculation two days ago. I have worked the two with a medium/high intensity and i feel some fatigue. I have eaten SUGAR and some hours after these flu-like or hot fleshes symptoms. Strange...
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: demografx on April 08, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
...Now go have a nice big bowl of Manhattan clam chowder soup! :)
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Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on April 08, 2016, 12:40:08 PM
It's really strange. Each time I eat SUGAR my Pois comes back. With taurine my symptoms are clearly decreased.
I had an ejaculation two days ago. I have worked the two with a medium/high intensity and i feel some fatigue. I have eaten SUGAR and some hours after these flu-like or hot fleshes symptoms. Strange...

Hi b_jim

Not so strange, in my vision of what causes POIS.

http://www.lowcarbmonthly.com/general-health/the-relationship-between-sugar-and-inflammation.html  ( article with scientific references )

http://goodfoodeating.com/6624/sugar-and-inflammation/


That is part of the reasons why each and every healthy diet advice tells to avoid too much sugars, especially refined sugars.

For a message I have posted here more than a year ago about High Frustose Corn Syrup ( HFCS,or "glucose-frustose" on French labels), and what I think it has as effect in POIS, see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1235.msg15572#msg15572




Did those POIS symptoms occurred despite taking you taurine supplementation regularly ?

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: demografx on April 08, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
...That is part of the reasons why each and every healthy diet advice tells to avoid too much sugars, especially refined sugars...

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Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on April 09, 2016, 02:24:20 AM


Yes, with the taurine I can work after ejaculation.

Maybe you are right about Pois/inflammation. And what was i tought last years.
But I can't "feel" the inflammation. And i have no effects with anti-inflammatory meds or plants.

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on April 09, 2016, 06:30:26 AM
Yes, with the taurine I can work after ejaculation.

Maybe you are right about Pois/inflammation. And what was i tought last years.
But I can't "feel" the inflammation. And i have no effects with anti-inflammatory meds or plants.

Hi b_jim,

POIS symptoms are, for me, effects of the inflammation that we can "feel".  For example, fatigue, irritability, personality change, and cognitive symptoms, like brain fog and others, can all be signs of inflammation in the brain.  Flu-like symptoms, obviously, are signs of an immune reaction all over the body, just like in actual flu, except the production of the inflammatory mediators ( cytokines and others) are not triggered by the presence of a virus ( but in the end, it is the same pro-inflammatory messengers that are produced, so the effects are very similar).

From what you say, I guess that taurine controls part of your immune system over-reaction, but another or other branches of the (very) complex immune system are not blocked by taurine, in particular if triggered by the presence of sugar.  In my own case, I had to stack many supplements in order to get a higher  level of relief, and I do think it is because a high number of different domino effects are produced by numerous metabolic and immune events happening when POIS "unfolds' in our body. So, when I had a good relief with one substance, let's say like taurine, then I would search a second one to add to the first, in order to block another metabolic pathway affected by POIS.  And the fact that we have all the same kind of symptoms, but we each have a very specific presentation of how they "unfold" in our body, is a sign for me that a process with multiple branches is at play  ( hence my vision of "clusters" of symptoms).

Apart from limiting your sugar intake, I wish you to get still better relief by finding a second useful supplement that will add to the already good relief you have with taurine.

All supplements labeled as "antioxidants" are anti-inflammatory as well, at the metabolic level, because they neutralize free radicals, by definition, and the damage cause by free radicals is "inflammation".  So, not only those strictly called "anti-inflammatory" can be useful in POIS. Those who bear the anti-inflammatory label tend to be those useful in arthritis, for example, and works similar to classic AINS, like on the COX 1 or COX 2 pathway.  But in POIS, I believe it is a kind of disseminate, metabolic inflammation, and by blocking some specific pathways, you get relief ( mast cells stabilizing, NMDAR blockers, IDO and TDO inhibitors, antioxidant that have direct anti-inflammatory effects in tissues, espacially in the brain for emotionnal and cognitive symptoms, and so on.... ).




Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 10, 2016, 09:08:54 PM
Yeah sugar is not really going to help anybody.  I did think HFCS was really bad for me in the past.  Now I can handle it better.  It's usually when I eat an offending food than HFCS, the effects are very bad.  Think it may have to do something with my gut once I eat a bad food.  Maybe it is more "porous" or whatever but who knows.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on April 11, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Once again maybe you are right. And I have often talked about inflammation. All is possible.

Now, maybe I imagine something else. For example, I imagine the hot flashes are caused by hypothalamus. (because it's the center of body temp regulation, like during premenstrual symptoms for women).

If we could measure the activity of our hypothalamus activity during Pois, we might have surprises. I think dopamine/testosterone (and then sugar) fluctuations by orgasm might make the hypothalamus crazy.

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: POISrival on April 11, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
Thanks for your input GLC

for me, eggs are OK. actually eggs (only boiled) seem to helpful.

Here is my diet list that may be helpful in speeding up recovery of POIS
1- Olive oil (I can confirm it helps, it reduces irritablity)
2- Tuna
3- Vegetables
4- Slightly sweet fruits like apples.
5- Boiled eggs
6- cinnamon drink

How do you incorporate the olive oil to relieve irritability? Cook with it?

I drink 2-3 tea spoons of virgin olive oil, preferably when I have an empty stomach. I dont add water to it or cook with it, I just drink the oil the way it is
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 14, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
I'd be careful with the olive oil.  I've started drinking some straight, about a tbsp every night for weight gain and inflammation.  But I've noticed a good increase in brain fog/red eyes while on it.  Also night sweats?  I wonder why this would be.

I was using evoo before and now just extra light.  But I'll take a break from the olive oil now and focus on my diet w/o experimenting.

*update.  Did some searches on extra virgin olive oil... Some sites claim it's really healthy and antiinflammatory, and others say it can cause inflammation?  Isn't evoo a fat and wouldn't that lead to inflammation?

This is just a warning if you find an increase in brain fog when taking it.  It happened to me.

**update again, with that being said I had a bad reaction to soy, which is one of the main things Celiac's should avoid.  I'm not sure if I had this when trying the olive oil, but just in case if you feel foggy it might be the oo.  Apparently they put soy in tuna now.  I remember it being just tuna and water in the past.  I'll put that on the list.

What's good though is my pois doesn't correlate to orgasm any more, mainly the foods I eat.  Good luck prancer and others on your diet journey :)
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on April 22, 2016, 02:42:36 AM
I "drink" liters of oliver oil (cooking and salads dressing) and I don't think it helps my Pois or very very very smally.But anyway, if it helps to avoid cancers or others disease, it's nice :)

The MAIN question is :  Is INFLAMMATION a part of Pois, or not at all ?

I think we have no medical datas to prove inflammation is present during Pois (like C-Reactive Protein marker or other). Thats why I said maybe the 'flu-like' or 'hot flashes' symptoms are Inflammation but maybe it's just an unbalance of hypothalamaus, like women during PMS.

Anyway, if inflammation is present to explain Pois i have a good arguement : during Pois, high glycemic food and especially white sugar strongly increases my Pois. That's a fact, no placebo, I'm 100% sure of this.
And we have now the scientific proof that High Glycemic Index food increase inflammation.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/99/4/813.long





Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 23, 2016, 01:56:38 PM
As I write this, I can pretty much say with certainty that I have some "silent celiac-like" disorder.  Having just O'd three times without symptoms, my diet is in direct correlation with pois symptoms.  It's interesting how I correlated orgasm to my pois as I thought that to be the main cause, but that was merely a symptom of my celiac- like disorder.  Btw, you can have celiac without having any pains or diarrhea (like me).  All of my symptoms were extra intestinal brain inflammation of the like, sore joints, red eyes, shitty very shitty mood, etc.  All of the consequences that come from inflammation.

It'd be interesting to here from other poisers who have changed their diet.

I literally have to write down every food and brand to make sure I can eat it.  I am sensitive to a lot of stuff.  Hopefully I'll be able to reintroduce later.  For now, my diet is still a lifesaver for me and I finally feel like myself after all these years.

I feel like pois has to involve some silent inflammatory process.  And if I had to guess, that would MOST LIKELY come from diet.  Imagine how much stuff we put in our bodies over the course of a day to a week to a year.  There just has to be some other inflammatory promoting process.  For me it is my diet and I can finally do stuff as long as I stick to it, finally feel like myself.  Btw there are over 300 symptoms associated with celiac and if you search about it, many people are complaining about brain fog and a lot of weird symptoms.

And about sugar, honestly it's not supposed to be healthy for you, but if I am managing on my diet, I can have as much sugar as I want.  As I said before, for me, after I have a celiac-like reaction to food, if I eat sugar after that I definitely get worse... I believe my body is trying to heal from attacking my intestine (that I feel now ever since going on this diet and healing), otherwise if I am on the diet I can have spoonfuls of honey without a problem...Actually really anything bothers me after I eat something bad, and it takes a couple days to recover, than I can eat anything on my list without a problem.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Prancer on April 23, 2016, 10:50:52 PM
Thanks GLC, that's interesting. For me personally (and I speak only for myself), I don't seem to have very many symptoms that are associated with having celiac disease. For example, I don't have any: skin rash, digestive problems, joint/bone problems, seizures, tingling in the legs, ulcers and others that I see are quite common with celiac. For that reason I don't think celiac is my problem. I know symptoms can vary, and it seems that food plays a big part in causing your symptoms, from what you mentioned. Maybe some other poisers have a similar experience with altering diet (let us know). So yeah, for me at least, celiac is not high on my list of potential culprits.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 25, 2016, 09:47:44 PM
OK I understand.  For me, it's all food based, with definite reactions after eating.  Maybe that is relieving some other inflammatory process but I don't know.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: caveeater on May 01, 2016, 05:27:47 AM
Food really affects me too. I have histamine intolerance, so foods like eggs, nuts, avocado, banana and other high histamine foods make me feel bad, outside of pois. I cannot touch gluten, and am even sensitive to foods that contain glucose syrup (which is usually derived from wheat, or corn. it's found in a lot of foods like ice  cream, candy bars, sauces etc).
Sugar is very inflammatory too, I try to avoid it, but it's not half as bad for me as other foods I'm allergic to. That said it does seem to make my pois worse.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 01, 2016, 09:01:01 PM
Yeah I can't have Bananas either for some reason.  Glucose syrups bother you?  Shouldn't they have no wheat/corn protein in them?

I'm also baffled by why I can't have skittles but other sugar is fine, maybe corn?  Food coloring?  I have no idea.

Apart from just feeling bad, my mouth ulcers were a major physical sign of food/gluten sensitivity.  The only other question I have is if something else is causing this sensitivity like Lyme or something.
  I doubt it but still I am not sure.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 03, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
Another interesting thing I've noticed while on this diet.  I can now tolerate vitamin c much better.  Before I got so sensitive to it that I couldn't even take 200 mg without being up all night.  Now I've been taking 1000 mg the past couple days without much issue.  I do get a little "hyper" feeling but it is much better than before.  I read vitamin c is supposed to help convert dopamine into noradrenaline so that may be why.

Also I may not have celiac.  It more or less seems I just have special food intolerances, not necessarily just related to grains.  Although maybe celiac/ncgs caused other food intolerances I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: caveeater on May 05, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
Yeah I can't have Bananas either for some reason.  Glucose syrups bother you?  Shouldn't they have no wheat/corn protein in them?

I'm also baffled by why I can't have skittles but other sugar is fine, maybe corn?  Food coloring?  I have no idea.

Apart from just feeling bad, my mouth ulcers were a major physical sign of food/gluten sensitivity.  The only other question I have is if something else is causing this sensitivity like Lyme or something.
  I doubt it but still I am not sure.

Yes, but some people are still sensitive, I've read of bad reactions to glucose syrup from celiac sufferers. It may be more of an issue in the uk as we use wheat glucose syrup more, whereas I believe in the US they use corn glucose syrup.

Skittles contain maltodextrin, I believe? That's also often derived from wheat.

Personally my diet resembles an autoimmune paleo style diet, I avoid nuts, spices, cocoa, grains as much as I can, and it's improved things a lot for me.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: caveeater on May 05, 2016, 02:50:50 PM
Another interesting thing I've noticed while on this diet.  I can now tolerate vitamin c much better.  Before I got so sensitive to it that I couldn't even take 200 mg without being up all night.  Now I've been taking 1000 mg the past couple days without much issue.  I do get a little "hyper" feeling but it is much better than before.  I read vitamin c is supposed to help convert dopamine into noradrenaline so that may be why.

Also I may not have celiac.  It more or less seems I just have special food intolerances, not necessarily just related to grains.  Although maybe celiac/ncgs caused other food intolerances I'm not sure.

I had the same issues with vitamin c. It Used go make me really wired!
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on May 06, 2016, 01:48:14 PM
Also food intolerances here that traditionally probably don't get detected by standard food allergy tests. I'm talking about added food additives with my suspicion looking at glucose or corn syrup. Ready cooked meats from hypermarket such as ribs or chicken catch me out when naive.

After all, in one of Waldinger's papers as mentioned previously it's a known thing that the greater majority of POISers have allergy issues.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 06, 2016, 08:16:33 PM
Another interesting thing I've noticed while on this diet.  I can now tolerate vitamin c much better.  Before I got so sensitive to it that I couldn't even take 200 mg without being up all night.  Now I've been taking 1000 mg the past couple days without much issue.  I do get a little "hyper" feeling but it is much better than before.  I read vitamin c is supposed to help convert dopamine into noradrenaline so that may be why.

Also I may not have celiac.  It more or less seems I just have special food intolerances, not necessarily just related to grains.  Although maybe celiac/ncgs caused other food intolerances I'm not sure.

I had the same issues with vitamin c. It Used go make me really wired!

Same.  I actually ended up getting a mouth ulcer when I ate a vitamin c pill recently so I since have stopped.  I actually do feel a lot better not on any vitamins at all.  I simply don't need them now.

But my diet has to be super specific for me to be 100%.  It's great tho since pois is no longer a problem for me.  Still can o freely.  Just very specific foods can upset me, brain fog and all.  Seems like I have many many food intolerances or hypersensitivities that I have to be so strict in my diet, not to veer off the path of proven tolerable foods.  Still as long as I'm on this diet I am without pois.

Creating your own personal food list is very very helpful and it's been my lifesaver.

Again, if I am not feeling 100%, I know for a fact it is something I ate.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 06, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
Also food intolerances here that traditionally probably don't get detected by standard food allergy tests. I'm talking about added food additives with my suspicion looking at glucose or corn syrup. Ready cooked meats from hypermarket such as ribs or chicken catch me out when naive.

After all, in one of Waldinger's papers as mentioned previously it's a known thing that the greater majority of POISers have allergy issues.

Yes, I was tested for all food allergies.  The tests didn't show any allergies to anything.  Buy that is a totally different immune response they are measuring, like life threatening, actual allergy symptoms.  These food intolerances/sensitivities are a totally different aspect of the immune system, possibly even t-cell mediated responses as opposed to histamine related with completely different symptoms.

And there may be a specific protein in the syrups that you are intolerant to.  Gotta love maintaining a food list.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: COLM_2 on May 15, 2016, 02:50:09 AM
No gluten or LOW gluten.

Article to reflect on.
Gluten-free diet could damage health of people without coeliac disease, expert claims !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/13/gluten-free-diet-could-damage-health-of-people-without-coeliac-d/
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on May 17, 2016, 06:27:25 AM
I've also given it some thoughts of what might be long term effects living on a "wheat- gluten-free diet". I've come across articles mentioning that you'd be missing some vitamins... But at the end of the day I still feel much better off without it, as it partly cured most of my cognitive issues. I still find it strange there are only a % of people coming forward saying this technique has helped them.

According to a quote near the very bottom of this old article (2008) most "autoimmune specialists agree that patients should avoid wheat and gluten products and highly processed foods".

http://www.alternet.org/story/80129/the_autoimmune_epidemic%3A_bodies_gone_haywire_in_a_world_out_of_balance

This is still exactly what has helped me the most over time.
Title: Re: Diet that partly CURED my POIS!
Post by: less_fogged on May 17, 2016, 06:42:55 AM
Just to reply on a trial I did on avocado oil. It did not help me, even when having extra during POIS but it sure did not make me feel worse.

Note: I changed Subject title from: "Diet that Cured my POIS" too: "Diet that partly cured my POIS".....there is no official cure for pois

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on May 17, 2016, 08:45:55 AM
I've also given it some thoughts of what might be long term effects living on a "wheat- gluten-free diet". I've come across articles mentioning that you'd be missing some vitamins... But at the end of the day I still feel much better off without it, as it partly cured most of my cognitive issues. I still find it strange there are only a % of people coming forward saying this technique has helped them.

According to a quote near the very bottom of this old article (2008) most "autoimmune specialists agree that patients should avoid wheat and gluten products and highly processed foods".

http://www.alternet.org/story/80129/the_autoimmune_epidemic%3A_bodies_gone_haywire_in_a_world_out_of_balance

This is still exactly what has helped me the most over time.

Thanks for the link, LF, interesting article.  I like the way she expains auto-immune diseases both by external factors like toxins, and also by personal factors like genetic predisposition, emotional stress, and diet.

Last part of the article:
"Studies show that patients with an autoimmune disease also do better if they build a wellness plan that involves reducing stress hormones through a daily habit of meditation and whatever form of exercise they can tolerate. Studies show that autoimmune patients also do much better if they follow "the autoimmune diet," which means consuming foods that are anti-inflammatory. For example, most autoimmune specialists agree that patients should avoid wheat and gluten products and highly processed foods, which can be inflammatory or provoke the immune system to overreact. So one needs to work with a doctor who is open to treating you not just with drugs but also with dietary changes, including making sure you're receiving adequate amounts of the main supplements that have been shown in clinical studies to help autoimmune disease patients, such as omega fatty acids, Vitamin D, antioxidants, probiotics, and glucosamine."


I have already described my own method of reducing POIS, and it includes many elements of what she is listing:  regular meditation, regular exercise, healthy diet ( even if in my case, I do not avoid gluten and wheat completely, I have reduced them, but have eliminated more allergenic food for me, in particular, cow milk, replaced by organic soy beverage.  I have eliminated almost all processed food, and eat a lot of raw nuts and fruits, and other healthy food).  And through my 37 years of POIS, I have already discovered the benefits of almost all the supplements she is talking about.  I take Omega-3 for calm and for less inflammation, Vitamin D because I live up north where there is not much sun, antioxidants, probiotics.  Glucosamine is the only one I didn't take so far, but I have recently bought a particular form of glucosamine, N-Acetyl-Glucosamine ( N-A-G), which is reported by some to help with intestinal inflammation control, and have for some a calming effect  ( too soon to report anything on that one). 

About regular meditation, I point to the fact that its real benefit is to help in emotional control, and avoid the horrible effects of emotional stress/cortisol and adrenaline overproduction.  So, other methods that help at developing a stable, calm, and caring emotional life are as welcomed as meditation, be it psychotherapy, or cognitive behavioral therapy, silent walk in a forest, communication skills development, or anything similar.  Of interest is that studies shows that meditation where one centers his attention on the heart and on compassion and loving kindness for himself, people of his surrounding, and everybody, even those who are not that likeable, is the type of meditation that brings the most benefits.  This type of meditation is called Karuna meditation ( for some scientific results: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326204236.htm ;  for basic instructions for compassion meditation: http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Compassion-Meditation )

I can add however that I didn't do all that only for POIS, but also to improve my health in general, and, in particular, have more stamina and be able to practice sport more often and enjoy life by being able to participate in interesting activities more often, connecting better with others, being tired and "out of order" the less often possible.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 17, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
Just to reply on a trial I did on avocado oil. It did not help me, even when having extra during POIS but it sure did not make me feel worse.

Note: I changed Subject title from: "Diet that Cured my POIS" too: "Diet that partly cured my POIS".....there is no official cure for pois

Well maybe you're right.  It's not like I can go off this diet since I'm " cured".  It should be diet that 100% manages my pois.


Just recently I O'd 3 times without symptoms.  I actually took cats claw and vitamin c before in the day as well.  So this is evidence (my pois) that you can boost your immune system and still experience no pois symptoms.  Also supporting the "food sensitivity" theory.

I started taking cats claw again because of a weird thought that I have that I have some bacterial or viral problem, possibly Lyme.  It's not normal to have to eat like this to feel normal at 25yo.  It's weird that cats claw causes joint pain in me that I never have.  This indicated it's either killing something or I am reacting to the drug (probably the second part).  It's also stimulatory.  I wouldn't say I'm in the best mood while on it but it eases me in the sense that I am supporting my body in the case of a bacterial/viral infection (highly doubt but still possible).
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 18, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Just posting that those who do find improvement in POIS with eggs, it may be because egg yolks absorb and break down the gluten molecule.  They are even devising a pill for Celiac's that is just basically dried egg yolk in a pill to be taken before eating gluten.  By the way I am still "cured" as long as I follow my diet.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on July 19, 2016, 01:49:28 AM
I don't have celiac disease (negative bloodtest). I tried 0 gluten diet. it didn't improve my Pois but is seems it improves my gut health (for example I can't wear trousers, diahreas,
Tympanites...).

But anyway, i think you may be right with the link gut - Pois. I have sugar in digestive system (sugar eaten some hours or the day before orgasm) it increase my pois and especially hot flashes symptoms. I try to change the hours when i take taurine to see if it counters sugar effects.

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 19, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
Interesting, I'm not sure I have it either.  I actually made a docs appointment this week to test for it.  Although I know you are supposed to be on a gluten containing diet for six weeks before testing... I am not since I am unwilling to do that.  So I am trying to get both a blood test and a genetic test for it.  I am almost like a textbook case for it... thin, but not extremely thin, mouth ulcers, gut pain when I eat gluten now, loose stools, brain fog/migraines/bad mood, dental problems, bone spurs (one on wrist) that all seem to go away when I abstain from such foods.  POIS may have just been a symptom for me.  So I dont know if it'll be celiac or some kind of gluten sensitivity/ncgs.  I would encourage others to get a blood test for it also (if you think you fall into such a category).

Maybe it is a different food for you causing symptoms.  I believe i have to avoid all foods listed cause I had celiac (possibly) for so long it opened the way for other food sensitivities.  There is a study where those like me went on a Paleo type diet that I'm on and there other food sensitivities disappeared and they were able to revert back to just a gluten free diet.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Nico on July 21, 2016, 12:22:01 PM
Hi All,

I haven't posted in a while, but this thread resonates with my experience. My worst symptoms are both cognitive and physical: poor focus, irritability, general malaise followed by aches, fever, respiratory issues (increased sinus and chest congestion, etc.) Lately these have been much more mild. I've struggled with sinus and chest issues all my life and have taken a lot of antibiotics over the years. As with so many things, diet and exercise seem to be a great starting place for attacking POIS. Here's what I've been found to be the most helpful in managing my version of POIS:

- Regular exercise: soccer, cycling, jogging or other aerobic activity 2x/wk, weight training/anaerobic exercise 2-3x/wk
- Healthy diet: For me that means avoiding refined sugars, beer, wine, too much white flour, etc. - Focus on whole foods, clean meats and veg and don?t overeat
- Encourage healthy gut, take probiotics, yogurt, fermented foods
- Avoid antibiotics, treat mild infections with oregano oil, garlic, etc. and homeopathic remedies (probable placebo effect, but hey, it works for me)
- More saturated fat in diet - I have been starting my day with a cup of "bulletproof" coffee which is coffee blended with organic grass-fed butter and MCT (coconut) oil
- Reduce stress - meditation, time with friends, watching sports, exercise, massage, low dose marijuana tincture, etc.
- Finish shower with cold water for around 30 seconds
- Sex once per week, try to take Niacin before, best in morning otherwise sleep is restless
- For the past few weeks I?ve been able to O 3 times per week if I take two Benadryl right after. Sleep still restless, but other symptoms almost unnoticeable. I always feel a bit better in the summer.
- Accept POIS when it comes and try not to get too pissed off about it. I try to distract myself by listening to an interesting podcast, music, etc. Don't try to do too much while in POIS.
- Check this forum and remind myself I'm not alone

Cheers!,
Nico

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on July 21, 2016, 09:58:45 PM
Many thanks for your great input, Nico!

Whenever a member take the time to write about what works for himself, this give precious information and reference for the whole POIS community here, and for current and potential researchers as well.

It becomes clearer that for many POISers, a healthier diet along with a healthier lifestyle, including regular exercise, is positive and help reduce POIS severity.

Other things you have mentioned, like stress management techniques, probiotics, and so on, have also been proven useful for other POISers.

Your success with antihistaminic like Claritin or Zyrtec, and 2x25mg of Benadryl, is a point of interest too, since this has been proven very beneficial for at least 2 other members, if I remember it well.

The more members will share their success, the more it will help to understand POIS and know what help relieve POIS symptoms.  So if you have any success with something you heard about on this forum, or with something you have found by yourself, please take the time to share it with the poiscenter community.

 

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 21, 2016, 11:00:19 PM
I've noticed my symptoms, when I eat bad, are more focused on abdominal pain than neuro symptoms.  Perhaps I've healed to a point where it'll mainly effect my gut.

Btw bjim did you get an actual celiac blood panel or just allergies?
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on July 22, 2016, 01:11:10 AM
i have the 4 bloodtest specific and non-specific, I'm 100% sure to no be celiac.
Anyway, everybody has gluten sensitivity.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 24, 2016, 08:43:03 AM
Yes, I just got my test back, but since I wasn't eating gluten for a year, and you're supposed to eat it for 6 weeks prior, it unsurprisingly came out negative.  I was referred to a gi doctor.

For me, the two main things for pois and brain fog is avoiding all forms of gluten (I avoid all grains, I even react to brown rice, search prolamines) and dairy, and other cross reactive foods.

It's great I can O whenever, but my diet is so restricted.  Hardest thing is calories, but I'm always finding new foods to increase calories cheaply, such as black beans.

If I eat grains or dairy, I'm brain fogged for a couple days.  If I O during this time my pois only lasts until the grains/dairy are out of my system than I am perfectly fine with a clear head and good mood.  This suggests my pois is inflammatory in nature, with more access to the brain during O or stimulation. 
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: b_jim on July 29, 2016, 01:54:14 AM
It seems 6 to 10% of western people suffer from NCWS (Non Celiac Wheat Sensivity) (gluten) and the consequences is activation of immune system via intestine.
Nothing is said about white sugar which is the most catalysis of my pois.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on August 07, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
Lol thanks, how did you know it was my birthday? 

And bjim, in my case I'm almost definitely a celiac.  I was expecting a negative result from avoiding grains for a year.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: bbd2501 on January 22, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
GLC! I Have been doing a gluten free diet and it has worked! Thanks man for sharing this insight. God Bless You. I find it harder to sleep nowadays though, it's really strange...
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on January 23, 2017, 09:12:22 AM
Hi bbd2501,

Thanks for sharing your success at POIS relief. You mentioned in a post on January 11th that you will try a gluten-free diet.  Does this mean that you have positive results after just over a week?

As a follow-up, let us know in a month if your gluten free diet is still effective.  I sincerely wish you so.

For how long do you have POIS, and what are your main symptoms ?

Are all of your symptoms relieved by your diet ?

What is the level of relief you get ?  80%?  100%?

The more information we get, the more it is useful for other members.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on January 25, 2017, 05:04:07 AM
That's great bbd and I am also interested in more detail of how you are feeling better. 

I also remember for the first month or two that it was harder to sleep, I believe I even made some posts about this.  My sleep has normalized and for the most part I sleep well now.  I'm still quite not exactly sure why it was harder at first but either I think my body was adjusting to eating lower carb, or maybe I just wasn't eating enough carbs/getting enough nutrients.  My sleep wasn't good at all before my diet as well.

The only thing I'd recommend, but do so with your own judgement and the thought that this may have helped me, purely in theory, would be to eat sweet potatoes. Sweet potatoes are nutritious and are a good supply of carbs. 

Good luck and I hope you continue doing well.  If you start feeling worse, it may have something to do with an addition to your diet, that's why I'd recommend just making a food list of what you can eat, and add ever so slowly to that list.  Marking the culprits if you do find any.  A gluten free diet wasn't enough for me, but if it is for you that would be great.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on January 27, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
Hi GLC, and everyone,

I have written about monosodium glutamate (MSG)  lately.  Maybe you already know that gluten contains a lot of MSG.  Decades ago, MSG was extracted from gluten.  Now, it is not, but people sensitive to gluten may be also sensitive to MSG, even in gluten-free.  Personally, I have no noticeable issue with gluten, but I avoid eating too much anyway, in particular wheat gluten.  But I avoid any food with MSG or any ingredient with another name for MSG, because it is neurotoxic.   

More info on MSG vs gluten at https://www.verywell.com/is-msg-gluten-free-562822


It may be possible that it is the MSG part of gluten that can be a trigger for POIS symptoms like brain fog and anxiety on aother cognitive and emotional symptoms, knowing MSG is neurotoxic.  Only for that, I have completely eliminated MSG and its many, substitutes from my diet, which, anyway, will eliminate itself when you stop all processed, industrial food and turn toward a healthy diet with fresh food and natural, organic food, and brand known for their high standard of quality.  Unfortunately, all mainstream brand use a lot of MSG.


To see the many names under which MSG is hidden on labels, see my post at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2416.msg20374#msg20374


Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 04, 2017, 12:33:27 AM
That's good to note quantum.  However I have no serious issue with msg.  My issue solely relies on digesting and immune problems to the prolamines in grains (somewhat theoretical).  All grains have prolamines, gluten being the worst, and I am sensitive to all of them to varying degrees.  Also casein which is similar chemically to gluten.  I have plenty of other random sensitivities because my gut is messed up.  Leaky gut or celiac seems like the cause to me, and I'm still working to heal it.  Msg sure doesn't sound friendly though.

I also added coconut oil to my diet which seems beneficial as of now.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on February 04, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
Hi GLC,

I looked this up and, indeed, It seems that it is mainly the protamine called gliadin ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliadin ) that triggers the immune response in celiac disease.   

Well, I guess MSG is just an added nuisance in gluten for those who have celiac disease, as well as an undesirable ingredient for anyone.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Liyyamurr on February 08, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
Going Less Crazy, can you eatfood prepared with coconut milk? Can you eat green and red bell peppers
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Liyyamurr on February 08, 2017, 10:43:32 PM
I also forgot to ask, are you coordinating this with a naturopath or a nutrition, or is this your own experiment
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 11, 2017, 05:26:12 AM
I am doing this on my own though should probably have seen somebody.  Yes I can do those peppers and I would think I can do coconut milk as well.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on February 11, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
I am doing this on my own though should probably have seen somebody.  Yes I can do those peppers and I would think I can do coconut milk as well.


You have been very determined and motivated, GLC, in finding what works for you and what relieves your POIS symptoms, gratz!   And you always come back here to share your most recent results and answering questions, which is great for other POIS sufferers who want to try your diet method.

Thanks for these follow ups!
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Liyyamurr on February 12, 2017, 10:36:24 AM
Thanks GoingLessCrazy  :)
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Liyyamurr on February 12, 2017, 02:20:50 PM
How long do you intend to stay on this diet? I have read that people on AIP and Paleo diets GRADUALLY start reintroducing foods back into their system after 90 days or less. Then again, the point of AIP is to find the foods that cause irritation and eliminate them allowing your system to recover. You may have done this first step without having to go through the diet.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 14, 2017, 12:44:33 AM
Thanks guys.

I'm not sure how long I intend to stay on it as long as I feel good.  I still mess up every once and a while and manage to feel awful... If I have wheat or something.  So that's enough evidence for me that I need to stay on this diet.  I've tried reintroducing grains like rice and corn without much success yet, but I haven't tried any alternative grains like quinoa, buckwheat, etc.  This I may do in the future.  Grains are also particularly hard on the digestive system, this may be another reason why I should avoid them for now along with all the symptoms I get when I have grains.

I've also added real bone broth and fermented probiotic vegetables like sauerkraut into my diet, literally just yesterday, and I did have a noticeable increase in well-being.  So if it is a leaky gut thing this should be good for that.

So there's still no time limit on the diet, also because I may be a special case.  I most likely have some advanced form of celiac disease where all grains affect me.  But I still am not 100% sure on anything.

Later
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on February 14, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
Hi GLC,

Quinoa and buckwheat are good choices, since they are not cereals, so they do not have any gluten.  They are classified as "pseudocereals", because there seeds can be grounded and used as floor, and they are rich in complex carbohydrates.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocereal

Amaranth, like quinoa and buckwheat, is also a pseudocereal. 

They may be eaten by those having celiac disease  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat#Gluten_concerns ), because they have no gluten. 

But if you have problems with prolamins rather than gluten, quinoa contains prolamins  ( https://celiac.org/blog/2014/02/gluten-alternatives-effects-of-eating-quinoa-in-celiac-patients/ )   In this case, buckwheat is a better choice, the reference above -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat#Gluten_concerns  - states that buckwheat contains no gliadins/prolamin like wheat.  however, some have allergic reaction to another substance in buckwheat, called fagopyrin - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat#Negative_reactions.   Hehehe...nothing's perfect !  We have to find what works for ourself.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: demografx on February 14, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
I am doing this on my own though should probably have seen somebody.  Yes I can do those peppers and I would think I can do coconut milk as well.


You have been very determined and motivated, GLC, in finding what works for you and what relieves your POIS symptoms, gratz!   And you always come back here to share your most recent results and answering questions, which is great for other POIS sufferers who want to try your diet method.

Thanks for these follow ups!

GLC was even once "Going Crazy" (as in GC) in the pre-POISCenter years @ The Naked Scientists Forum!

We should start: The Founders' Circle.


Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 15, 2017, 06:41:48 PM
Hahah I don't even know why I did that name I guess it was a kind of spur of the moment type of thing but whatever.  That was back in the day when the real hardcore poisers were about.  Not a lot of today's poisers would have made it.  You have your pois center now and all that.

Kidding aside, thanks for the help.  Yes it is prolamines I am trying to avoid.  The thing is, nobody with straight celiac disease has this POIS problem, at least those online and in real life I know of.  So it would be a super strange symptom of celiac or perhaps something different entirely.

Makes me think that maybe pois is pois and maybe my diet just stops that autoimmune reaction instead of it being part of a celiac symptom... it may be a different autoimmune problem, along with celiac.

I'm not sure if I react to every prolamine but I guess I need to test more of those types of grains.  That's good info to know on buckwheat, however there are ppl with celiac that react to buckwheat so you are right, it is all what works for you, the individual.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on February 15, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
Makes me think that maybe pois is pois and maybe my diet just stops that autoimmune reaction instead of it being part of a celiac symptom... it may be a different autoimmune problem, along with celiac.


Hi GLC,

I agree with you that POIS is a specific auto-immune disease, and that there can be other auto-immune disorder as well present in the same individual.  There must be some specific predisposition in order to develop POIS specific symptoms, that are triggered by ejaculation.   But individuals prone to auto-immune diseases often have more than one, so it is not uncommon for an individual to have more than one specific auto-immune disease ( like in Lupus sufferers, who often have Sjogren syndrome too, and/or antiphospholipid syndrome, or others.

 I think that nost of those suffering POIS are prone to auto-immune dysfunctions.  That has been noted by Dr Waldinger, who have outlined the fact, in his 45 subject study, that more than 60% of the subjects were atopic , atopy being a predisposition toward developing certain allergic hypersensitivity reactions ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopy ). 

In my youth, I had very sever hay fever and various allergies.  I was sure prone to auto-immune disorders.


About the pseudocereals information, I am glad that it may prove helpful for you.

Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 23, 2017, 11:25:16 AM
So I did try buckwheat yesterday, and sadly it is a no go.  I had pain along with pois-like symptoms and definite insomnia which is most likely caused by inflammation within the body/brain.  The buckwheat was labeled gluten free as well.

Yet again maybe pois is just a symptom of my dietary problem / celiac or whatever.  I feel like I would always experience pois even if I was eating right.  It's not like my body would say "oh he's eating an aip like diet so let's not burden him with pois".  I'm almost convinced now my pois is not a separate autoimmune disease than my "celiac".  Even just the fact that if I do experience pois it always is due to the fact I ate something bad, combined with orgasm, which focuses the inflammation in my brain.  That's just my thoughts now.  Subject to change.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: caveeater on February 28, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
For anyone who has tried quercetin: I found the best product to be Neuroprotek which also includes Rutin and luteon in an oil base so it is well absorbed. It's expensive, but seems better to me than all the other quercetin supplements I've tried, which made me feel worse. I definitely feel the mast cell stabilising effects. Only way I can describe it is that it gives me some sense of objectivity over my symptoms (which are also caused by food allergies).
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: caveeater on February 28, 2017, 09:00:59 AM
So I did try buckwheat yesterday, and sadly it is a no go.  I had pain along with pois-like symptoms and definite insomnia which is most likely caused by inflammation within the body/brain.  The buckwheat was labeled gluten free as well.


Buckwheat affects me too, I believe it may be because of it feeding certain bacteria (possibly FODMAPS). I suspect I may have SIBO although am not sure. Most fermentable fibres affect me in some way. Including apples, onions, crucifers. So my diet is very limited.

If you have SIBO then food will cause a lot more inflammation which no doubt makes POIS symptoms worse. I avoided many foods dor s long time and I believe it reduced whatever bacterial overgrowth I had.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 28, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
Sibo is a possibility, though more likely celiac.  I also have a problem with cashews and some other nuts.  Buckwheat seemed more nut and seed like compared to a grain, but it definitely caused me a problem.  Seems like anything particularly hard to digest is not good for me.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Neutral on March 07, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
I'd like to start taking probiotics to see if it helps at all. But I'm very confused with all the different types and brands. Can anyone recommend a good brand and type? I have access to a Whole Foods near by. Or I guess I can order from Amazon.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Quantum on March 07, 2017, 10:48:16 PM
I'd like to start taking probiotics to see if it helps at all. But I'm very confused with all the different types and brands. Can anyone recommend a good brand and type? I have access to a Whole Foods near by. Or I guess I can order from Amazon.

Here are some guidelines to choose a good probiotics preparation:

-  be sure that there is both lactobacillus AND bifidus strains ( to cover both the small and large intestine)

- preferably many strains of each ( each strain present in the preparation will be listed on the label, like 'Lactobacillus acidophilus', and often a strain number at the end )

- a preparation that is lactose free

- a good concentration  ( more than 10 billions per capsule).  Taking 40 billions a day is not a problem, those bacteria won't cause infectious diseases.

- keep the open bottle in the fridge door, to preserve the strength of the preparation

- change of preparation from time to time , for one with other strains of lactobacillus and bifidus,  this will help build a more diversified gut flora,


The one I currently use is 20 B /caps and has 4 different strains of lactobacillus, and 2 of bifidus.



Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 08, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
I'd like to start taking probiotics to see if it helps at all. But I'm very confused with all the different types and brands. Can anyone recommend a good brand and type? I have access to a Whole Foods near by. Or I guess I can order from Amazon.

I don't have a brand to recommend because taking probiotics pills I feel weird and wired-like.  But you may tolerate them.  I'd recommend fermented sauerkraut you can pick up probably at your local health food store.  This is mainly because I can tolerate it.  I still only take about a spoonful once a week, after all it is trillions of bacteria compared to billions in probiotic pills.  So there are way more in sauerkraut according to research.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Neutral on March 13, 2017, 05:11:34 PM
I saw a urologist this morning. He was of course unfamiliar with POIS, I tried my best to explain it to him. He was kind enough to listen and examin me. I did a urine and blood sample. Will have to wait to see if anything comes back strange. But he prescribed me antibiotics. I'm picking them up from the pharmacy right now. I'm really hesitant to start taking them while I'm trying AIP diet. Because I know that with this diet antibiotics are a big NO NO. I explained all this to the urologist. He obviously recommended the antibiotics because he says I haven't tried any meds yet.
I'm planning on seeing a naturopath that I found in a few weeks. I feel like she's most definitely going to tell me to stay away from antibiotics. So I'm torn. I have no idea what to do :(
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 13, 2017, 06:52:56 PM
I saw a urologist this morning. He was of course unfamiliar with POIS, I tried my best to explain it to him. He was kind enough to listen and examin me. I did a urine and blood sample. Will have to wait to see if anything comes back strange. But he prescribed me antibiotics. I'm picking them up from the pharmacy right now. I'm really hesitant to start taking them while I'm trying AIP diet. Because I know that with this diet antibiotics are a big NO NO. I explained all this to the urologist. He obviously recommended the antibiotics because he says I haven't tried any meds yet.
I'm planning on seeing a naturopath that I found in a few weeks. I feel like she's most definitely going to tell me to stay away from antibiotics. So I'm torn. I have no idea what to do :(

Yeah that's probably a decision you have to make on your own.  Antibiotics have not been beneficial to me.  If I can make one suggestion it would be to not take antibiotics for 3 weeks like I did, maybe a week would be "ok".  Thats my experience. But that's a decision to make yourself.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Neutral on March 13, 2017, 07:23:02 PM
Thanks. I'll try them for a week or so and see how I feel.

I went to a whole foods today and found organic sauerkrout. But not fermented sauerkrout. I don't really understand the whole fermented thing. If I buy organic is that the same or good enough? I can't seem to find anything fermented where I live.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 13, 2017, 10:43:38 PM
They're usually in health food stores if you have any around you.  I'm not so sure... The sauerkraut I got is called bubbies or bubba's sauerkraut and it says it contains probiotics.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: notmythirdaccount on March 15, 2017, 01:45:58 AM
Organic sauerkraut is better than generic grocery brands. However, it may still have preservatives or pasteurization that kills the probiotic Flora you need. Fermented sauerkraut from home is the best option for the most Flora. Next best option is to ensure the product you're using doesn't use pasteurization or any odd ingredients.

Sauerkraut is just fermented lettuce after all. You can make it yourself but you need at least 3-4 weeks before it's ready.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Neutral on March 27, 2017, 01:11:03 AM
GLC,
I'm curious about something. You first found relief or a cure with olive leaf extract. Then you discovered AIP. If OLE was working, why switch to the diet? Is it not easier taking pills than a strict diet? And you described your diet at the time as giving you constant symptoms of inflammation or something. Would OLE help with those Symptoms or it strictly only helped pois symptoms?
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 28, 2017, 04:48:45 PM
 Ehh.  For me OLE was a symptom reliever, but I could not take it every day as it made me feel a bit sickly and down mentally.  I could take it about once a week.  But it only relieved me for the time it was in my system, and even than it wasn't a 100% symptom reliever.  Sometimes it may or may not have completely worked.  I get way more relief with diet and I don't have to take anything for pois.  And I can have sex as many times as I want really.  As long as I stick to my diet.  It did relived some 24/7 symptoms of fog and such but even than I knew it wasn't addressing the real problem.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: sameer7777 on March 29, 2017, 07:52:31 AM
Pls tell me what diet you taking pls help any medicine you taking pls help Thankyou
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 29, 2017, 12:17:22 PM
My diet is on the first post.  Currently my diet mostly consists of ground beef and chicken, lots of black and red kidney beans, gf diced tomatoes and tomato sauce, lots of sweet potatoes, olive oil, pears, apples, anything grain and dairy free that is healthy.  Limit sugar though I seem to be able to tolerate it more.

The only thing I take every morning is 1/4 teaspoon of organic virgin coconut oil.  I'm trying to maintain this dose and increase it once I maintain it for a while.  I did take coconut oil before but took too much in the beginning and felt a little weird, but now maintaining at quarter teaspoon and feel much better.  It helps with inflammation, sibo and all that.
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: sameer7777 on March 30, 2017, 05:17:26 AM
 Good information Thankyou patato OK???
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: demografx on March 30, 2017, 09:53:29 AM
I saw a urologist this morning. He was of course unfamiliar with POIS, I tried my best to explain it to him. He was kind enough to listen and examin me. I did a urine and blood sample. Will have to wait to see if anything comes back strange. But he prescribed me antibiotics. I'm picking them up from the pharmacy right now. I'm really hesitant to start taking them while I'm trying AIP diet. Because I know that with this diet antibiotics are a big NO NO. I explained all this to the urologist. He obviously recommended the antibiotics because he says I haven't tried any meds yet.
I'm planning on seeing a naturopath that I found in a few weeks. I feel like she's most definitely going to tell me to stay away from antibiotics. So I'm torn. I have no idea what to do :(

Maybe get a 2nd opinion from another urologist? Before you do, maybe send over (fax or email or snail mail) some info on POIS to see that he is comfortable with your rare disorder --

Example to send over to your 2nd urologist:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

ps - I didn't have much luck with my big-city urologists.


Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: sameer7777 on March 30, 2017, 10:12:51 AM
Hi he prescribed antibiotics for what and what is the name of the antibiotics pls tell????
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: demografx on March 30, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Sameer, I'm just curious why you want to know which antibiotic was prescribed? (It just might have been a bad idea...?)


Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: sameer7777 on March 30, 2017, 03:16:53 PM
I am just curious once doctor prescribed me augmentum but it did nothing.....
Title: Re: Diet that CURED my POIS!
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 30, 2017, 05:38:26 PM
Be careful with the antibiotics, took them for a month and they really set me back.  I had pain for about a month and a half after I took a months worth of antibiotics and I had to fast for 3 days and that finally relieved my pain problem.  Now I'm back to where I was before.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Neutral on April 12, 2017, 11:03:37 PM
So the organic fermented sauerkrout I ordered finally came in. I'm stoked. But I have no idea what to do with it haha. Do I refrigerate it or not? And how much and how often should I eat it? I also bought some goats milk kefir. Not sure how much and often of that either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 13, 2017, 01:30:57 AM
Yes you should definitely refrigerate it but look it up just to make sure.  My own experience with it is that I take a good spoonful or so just once a week, but this is mainly because I'm really sensitive to anything I put in my body.  Probiotics tend to make me feel a little uncomfortably sped up and brain fogged.  I believe this is because it gets through my gut pretty easily, where it is supposed to stay.  So I find once a week optimal for me right now but you may get away with more or less depending on how you feel after taking it.  So it's really up to you.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: VictorHugo on June 14, 2017, 01:19:08 PM
Thank you going less crazy for the email. I encountered your email about a month and a half back and now I am a big proponent of the Auto Immune Protocol (AIP). I hadn't heard about it. I am feeling more energetic and feel less fearful of an orgasm either in my sleep (night fall), or if I feel a need to mastrubate to relax myself.

Weather or not it has relieved my POIS symptoms is hard to say. I am going to start some highly recommended food (highly nutrient dense food) in the AIP such as bone broth and organ meat, which, I belive will be beneficial, if not in curing the POIS then my general health.

Since the leading hypothesis about POIS is that it is an auto immune disease, and the AIP diet reverses auto immune disease, it does not make sense to me that it will not cure POIS unless POIS is not an auto immune condition.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 17, 2017, 05:54:32 AM
Thank you going less crazy for the email. I encountered your email about a month and a half back and now I am a big proponent of the Auto Immune Protocol (AIP). I hadn't heard about it. I am feeling more energetic and feel less fearful of an orgasm either in my sleep (night fall), or if I feel a need to mastrubate to relax myself.

Weather or not it has relieved my POIS symptoms is hard to say. I am going to start some highly recommended food (highly nutrient dense food) in the AIP such as bone broth and organ meat, which, I belive will be beneficial, if not in curing the POIS then my general health.

Since the leading hypothesis about POIS is that it is an auto immune disease, and the AIP diet reverses auto immune disease, it does not make sense to me that it will not cure POIS unless POIS is not an auto immune condition.

Your welcome, don't really remember sending anything but okay lol, and that's good to hear you are doing better on it.  I'm not 100% AIP, as in I do eat a lot of beans and some sugary dressings, etc.  I'll eat a bag of swedish fish on Friday nights sometimes, you know.  I think your not really supposed to be 100% AIP for more than a couple months because it is hard to get calories.  I think AIP is mainly used to figure out what foods you have problems with, but if you have enough food to eat than that's good.  I neeeeed beans though because they are cheap calories and fill me up.  I preach yams and beans so much here.  I'm hoping the diet will relieve your pois symptoms.

Be careful with the bone broth, if it is true gelatinous bone broth.  At times it would make me feel Ill/nauseous.  There is something in it that does that and I can't think on the top of my head what it exactly is.  I don't do bone broth any more.  But your body, your reaction.

Not sure if cure is the right word but it definitely puts autoimmune issues in remission.  Not saying it's impossible to be cured by aip but id say highly unlikely.  However my symptoms now revolve around food only, and not orgasm.  I can't remember my last POIS episode having to do with orgasm, however I have felt POIS due to eating something unusual or that I am testing and react to.  So pois has improved in that respect.

So my POIS was probably just food reactions and than orgasm would completely throw me over the edge and dismantle my well being.  POISers who never reach 100% even after refraining for weeks without orgasm probably have something else as the root cause, like this problem.

Good luck
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bbd2501 on August 10, 2017, 06:32:27 AM
Thanks GLC for sharing. I tried the AIP diet a few months ago. After about 12 days, I could O without any symptoms! Then I started eating normal again and symptoms came back. I am now back on the diet and things are getting better.

I have done a lot of research on food sensitivities as they relate to auto immunity and I can tell you that if your problem is auto immune in nature you should be avoiding LECTINS at all cost.

Note that gluten is  a type of lectin but their are several other foods you must avoid (like the nightshades vegetable for instance, beans and nuts as those are super high in lectins)

If you want to know more, look up Dr Steven Gundry on YouTube. He has a book called the PLANT PARADOX which helps tremendously.

As Hippocrates said, "ALL DISEASE BEGINS IN THE GUT"
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on August 10, 2017, 11:49:36 PM
That's great you are having success bbd.  However I believe my problem to be celiac disease.  I do eat beans and I actually avoid them for 3 days when I have been glutened, or eat a food I'm sensitive to, since they are one of the foods that are more difficult to digest.

Celiac only affects your body when you have eaten "gluten", otherwise eating lectins in beans and such should be like a normal person handles it.  I personally do best on a low carb diet but I do need the carbs in beans and sweet potatoes. 

For an AI disease like celiac it would be nonsense to avoid lectins that you can tolerate.  Maybe for some other AI disease like MS it would be wise to avoid lectins, but not for this problem.  That is my personal opinion.  If you can tolerate and feel good eating something, than eat it!

-GLC
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: caveeater on August 22, 2017, 06:38:15 AM
Thank you going less crazy for the email. I encountered your email about a month and a half back and now I am a big proponent of the Auto Immune Protocol (AIP). I hadn't heard about it. I am feeling more energetic and feel less fearful of an orgasm either in my sleep (night fall), or if I feel a need to mastrubate to relax myself.

Weather or not it has relieved my POIS symptoms is hard to say. I am going to start some highly recommended food (highly nutrient dense food) in the AIP such as bone broth and organ meat, which, I belive will be beneficial, if not in curing the POIS then my general health.

Since the leading hypothesis about POIS is that it is an auto immune disease, and the AIP diet reverses auto immune disease, it does not make sense to me that it will not cure POIS unless POIS is not an auto immune condition.

Your welcome, don't really remember sending anything but okay lol, and that's good to hear you are doing better on it.  I'm not 100% AIP, as in I do eat a lot of beans and some sugary dressings, etc.  I'll eat a bag of swedish fish on Friday nights sometimes, you know.  I think your not really supposed to be 100% AIP for more than a couple months because it is hard to get calories.  I think AIP is mainly used to figure out what foods you have problems with, but if you have enough food to eat than that's good.  I neeeeed beans though because they are cheap calories and fill me up.  I preach yams and beans so much here.  I'm hoping the diet will relieve your pois symptoms.

Be careful with the bone broth, if it is true gelatinous bone broth.  At times it would make me feel Ill/nauseous.  There is something in it that does that and I can't think on the top of my head what it exactly is.  I don't do bone broth any more.  But your body, your reaction.

Not sure if cure is the right word but it definitely puts autoimmune issues in remission.  Not saying it's impossible to be cured by aip but id say highly unlikely.  However my symptoms now revolve around food only, and not orgasm.  I can't remember my last POIS episode having to do with orgasm, however I have felt POIS due to eating something unusual or that I am testing and react to.  So pois has improved in that respect.

So my POIS was probably just food reactions and than orgasm would completely throw me over the edge and dismantle my well being.  POISers who never reach 100% even after refraining for weeks without orgasm probably have something else as the root cause, like this problem.

Good luck

Ive found this to be true for myself. I follow an AIPish diet, I avoid grains, dairy, eggs, night shades...most things except cacao and occasionally spices. I feel a lot lot better, and my POIS brainfog is improved. I've noticed my food reactions tend to get worse when in POIS, but they're always there under the surface. I suspect I may have Candida...had to give up fruits for the time being.

I have histamine intolerance so, for me it's just another part of the puzzle that fits in with POIS. Orgasm causes histamine release...my body has trouble processing histamine on a genetic level (DAO enzyme deficiency).
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on August 22, 2017, 03:22:35 PM

Ive found this to be true for myself. I follow an AIPish diet, I avoid grains, dairy, eggs, night shades...most things except cacao and occasionally spices. I feel a lot lot better, and my POIS brainfog is improved. I've noticed my food reactions tend to get worse when in POIS, but they're always there under the surface. I suspect I may have Candida...had to give up fruits for the time being.

I have histamine intolerance so, for me it's just another part of the puzzle that fits in with POIS. Orgasm causes histamine release...my body has trouble processing histamine on a genetic level (DAO enzyme deficiency).

Hi caveeater,

Have you tried quercetin , and vitamin C, for your histamine issues, and if so, what results did you get ?

Have you tried DAO supplements ? 
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: caveeater on August 31, 2017, 11:06:56 AM

Ive found this to be true for myself. I follow an AIPish diet, I avoid grains, dairy, eggs, night shades...most things except cacao and occasionally spices. I feel a lot lot better, and my POIS brainfog is improved. I've noticed my food reactions tend to get worse when in POIS, but they're always there under the surface. I suspect I may have Candida...had to give up fruits for the time being.

I have histamine intolerance so, for me it's just another part of the puzzle that fits in with POIS. Orgasm causes histamine release...my body has trouble processing histamine on a genetic level (DAO enzyme deficiency).


Hi caveeater,

Have you tried quercetin , and vitamin C, for your histamine issues, and if so, what results did you get ?

Have you tried DAO supplements ?

Yes, I found vitamin C helped somewhat, and Quercetin also helps depending on the type I use. I've found Neuroprotek to be the best, although its expensive.

I haven't had much luck with DAO supplements (and it seems neither do many people with histamine issues). They contain pork which is ironically an allergen in itself for some people. Hopefully one day they'll bring out some sort of DAO increasing probiotic suppement.
I've also found that Curcumin, although a good supplement, reduces DAO levels so I have to be very careful of taking it. Alcohol also reduces DAO levels.

I also take Cromolyn, a mast cell stabilizer. It helps with food based histamine reactions (which are always more noticeable when in a POIS episode).
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2017, 10:00:40 AM
Hi GLC

Did you have gluten withdrawal symptoms when you started the diet ? I removed gluten for almost 3 days & I feel awful ( fatigue, depression and acute diarrhea).

Unfortunately, I have to stop it for now as I have tight work schedule  :'(

Thank you
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 10, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
Hi GLC

Did you have gluten withdrawal symptoms when you started the diet ? I removed gluten for almost 3 days & I feel awful ( fatigue, depression and acute diarrhea).

Unfortunately, I have to stop it for now as I have tight work schedule  :'(

Thank you

You might need to add more carbs.  I did go through some weird thing but I think it was because I wasn't getting enough carbs.  Goya black beans and yams/sweet potatoes help.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Spartak on September 10, 2017, 06:17:03 PM
Hello,
I am happy to read that diet prevented your POIS problems.
It sounds far from possible when it come to my case. Also it is amazing how some products can be completly POIS safe forone person and bas for a other. For me all fruits are POIS enemy, I presume due sugar they contain.
While you can eat apple for example.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 10, 2017, 09:14:58 PM
Hello,
I am happy to read that diet prevented your POIS problems.
It sounds far from possible when it come to my case. Also it is amazing how some products can be completly POIS safe forone person and bas for a other. For me all fruits are POIS enemy, I presume due sugar they contain.
While you can eat apple for example.

From what I have found, it is hard to verify what foods you have problems with if you are continuously eating say "gluten" or something that harms you.  I can and did have problems with apples in a certain way while I was eating a gluten containing diet.  Every food seemed to affect me some way before I gave up grains and continuously ate foods my body handled well.  It is when you feel good and are eating well when you find out what foods work for you, because than you can truly tell what harms you.

Again, I had no idea that food was my problem, causing all POIS symptoms that seemed to be orgasm triggered (I believe O, in my case, created some inflammational immune state in my brain where blood had rushed to after O.  The brain should normally be immune to the immune processes in the body, but I believe O created some bypass mechanism where inflamed blood crossed into the brain)

So all these residual POIS symptoms were really just caused by food.  Antiinflammatories help a lot.  And recently I discovered microdoses of Turmeric/curcumin which has made me feel incredible combined with my personal diet.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Spartak on September 11, 2017, 06:18:30 AM
@ Going less Crazy,
I've tried gluten free diet, no change.
Since I quit sugars, I notticed chnge in general well being, but also in POIS severity. But it's really minor improvment, I am still far from functional during POIS. And improvment is feelinbetter 1st day of pois, 2nd is pretty similar as before. At least for me there are clear differences between 1st and 2nd day symptoms.
I find your idea about Pois as vey interesting. I have no idea what is going on, but I am generally too sensitive.
Not just Pois-wise, so there might be somethig. But I am toobafraid to experimente(too much) and make any conclusions on my own. I  wait and hope that we will have soon enough somehing scientific to work on.
Tumeric I avoid, it caused me some burning inflamation inside, maybe in prostate but also in urehra, which resulted in buch of uncontroled no E mini Orgasms, I was unusual form of Pois-ed for a weeks.. Same even worse reaction I had/have from Magnessium supplementation, so I started to avoid food high in Magneasium as well.
I read here about anti-Inflammantores, but it is foreign term for me, I get confused a lot when I read yours or Quantums posts about it.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 11, 2017, 10:22:58 PM
@ Going less Crazy,
I've tried gluten free diet, no change.
Since I quit sugars, I notticed chnge in general well being, but also in POIS severity. But it's really minor improvment, I am still far from functional during POIS. And improvment is feelinbetter 1st day of pois, 2nd is pretty similar as before. At least for me there are clear differences between 1st and 2nd day symptoms.
I find your idea about Pois as vey interesting. I have no idea what is going on, but I am generally too sensitive.
Not just Pois-wise, so there might be somethig. But I am toobafraid to experimente(too much) and make any conclusions on my own. I  wait and hope that we will have soon enough somehing scientific to work on.
Tumeric I avoid, it caused me some burning inflamation inside, maybe in prostate but also in urehra, which resulted in buch of uncontroled no E mini Orgasms, I was unusual form of Pois-ed for a weeks.. Same even worse reaction I had/have from Magnessium supplementation, so I started to avoid food high in Magneasium as well.
I read here about anti-Inflammantores, but it is foreign term for me, I get confused a lot when I read yours or Quantums posts about it.

Okay.  Yes I tried a gluten free diet for a month a long time ago and it didn't help.  It wasn't until I avoided ALL GRAINS and DAIRY where I started feeling good.  Also several additives.  Don't take offense to the capitalized words I'm just making sure you understand.

For turmeric, I take it in very very small microdoses.  Like 5-10 mg every morning.  The pills I take now each contain 50mg curcumin.  I tried other turmeric pills that contained 400mg curcumin and I could not even handle a pinch, so the curcumin content matters a lot. Turmeric/curcumin pills, for me, are very strong stuff.  There is a special dose that really benefits me.  So if by chance you are like me maybe you can handle very small doses.

Interesting I also had problems with magnesium.  I don't know if it's a certain type of mg I'm sensitive to or not.  But for now I get my vitamins naturally from food, other than another dab of a b-complex vitamin that I microdose with too.

And removing added sugar is also beneficial.  Less sugar = less inflammation.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: radditz on September 14, 2017, 04:11:22 PM
Hello,
i started my own food journey a while ago. I stopped most sexual activity some time ago but on nights were i O'ed in the sleep i was still feeling a heavy fatique for the next 1-2 days.

I am also experiencing daytime fatique and fatique after eating. I had glucose checked, thyroid checked, blood checked without any results. I do have a dust mite allergy.

Because of all that i started a elimination diet. Started only with fresh meat and cauliflower. Started to feel really great after 2-3 days. Then added dairy and symptoms got worse again. Also added eggs then and i felt the very same fatique from the beginning. 
I started again with meat and cauliflower again and added corn, rice and wheat. Fatique again.

I repeated this process several times. Fresh meet and cauliflower is my healthy fallback were i safely can test things upon.

Long story short. It SEEMS that my own unfinished list is starting to look like the one from @Going Less Crazy. I do not believe, that this is a coincidence. I think he has done some really good researching here.
I am thrilled to try out sweet potatos as source for carbs, because my current diet does not contain any carbs at all.

edit: What about peanuts? I ate quite a lot last night without any problems this day.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 14, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Hello,
i started my own food journey a while ago. I stopped most sexual activity some time ago but on nights were i O'ed in the sleep i was still feeling a heavy fatique for the next 1-2 days.

I am also experiencing daytime fatique and fatique after eating. I had glucose checked, thyroid checked, blood checked without any results. I do have a dust mite allergy.

Because of all that i started a elimination diet. Started only with fresh meat and cauliflower. Started to feel really great after 2-3 days. Then added dairy and symptoms got worse again. Also added eggs then and i felt the very same fatique from the beginning. 
I started again with meat and cauliflower again and added corn, rice and wheat. Fatique again.

I repeated this process several times. Fresh meet and cauliflower is my healthy fallback were i safely can test things upon.

Long story short. It SEEMS that my own unfinished list is starting to look like the one from @Going Less Crazy. I do not believe, that this is a coincidence. I think he has done some really good researching here.
I am thrilled to try out sweet potatos as source for carbs, because my current diet does not contain any carbs at all.

edit: What about peanuts? I ate quite a lot last night without any problems this day.

That's good radditz.  I wonder if you will experience POIS after sex while maintaining a good diet, for a longer time, that you are not sensitive to.  I also have problems with eggs even though some POISers seem to be helped by them.  In my own experience, wheat is the worst.  If this is celiac related, I've read that wheat exposure can cause 300x normal inflammation of the intestines, while corn can cause 15x normal inflammation.  Both bad, but point is their are worse foods than others.

Interesting though is that I've been on the celiac forums and haven't come across anybody yet with POIS as a symptom of celiac disease.  But then again their are people here on this forum who also have celiac disease.  Perhaps POIS is one of over 200 or so symptoms that celiac can cause.  Some people who have celiac get dermatitis hepitaformis? (About 10%) and some do not, like myself.  Perhaps POIS is just another symptom.  I should state again that I'm not confirmed celiac, but it is very highly suspected.

I know you're feeling better, but make sure your meat is gluten free.  Also, what kind of cauliflower do you use?  I've had problems with pre-bagged cauliflower and I'm pretty sure it's the way it was processed that harmed me.

I've eaten peanuts before when I was probably 9 or so months into my diet (which is short if you're trying to completely heal the gut), and I had an increase in pain, probably a 2/10 in pain just because they are hard to digest.  Peanut butter the same way but I haven't really tried any lately.  On the other hand, I eat reeses once and a while currently (I know I shouldn't) but the peanut butter in them does not bother me.  I have no pain but I do notice an increase in overall inflammation either from the dairy or sugar.  So I got no problems digesting Reese's but it affects my blood (red eyes, some brain fog, etc.)

Cashews on the other hand killed me.  I don't know if it had gluten in them but it felt like I had eaten gluten.  So I'm afraid to try a different brand.

But good luck!

PS.  Make sure sweet potatoes are the "orange" kind.  I still don't know if they are called yams or sweet potatoes lol.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: radditz on September 15, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
Cauliflower just fresh from the shelve. It feels very good. I only eat fresh meat, so there should be no gluten in it.

I ate a good portion of sweet potatoes with carrots today. My bloodsugar spiked to 170 mg/dl which is pretty close to diabetic. This is another issue iam currently discovering. My blood sugar seems to rise pretty high as soon as i eat carbs or sugar. The fast rise and fast fall causes fatique. It is called reactive hypoclycemia and i might have it.

However, despite the high blood sugar, my fatique was not severe. I will limit the amount of potatoes and leave out carrots next time and see how iam going.

Phew, my current situation is difficult right now. I quit my job to have time to focus on my problems. With a full 9-10 hour workday, a disciplined diet approach was so hard for me. Due to heavy workload and lack of time for meal preparation, i skipped meals or relied on grain/carbs. Both are ruining my diet experiments.

However, its mentally difficult to challenge my problems directly. Its the uncertainty of not knowing if i will ever be better that troubles me. I had success in the past, but not a 100% cure yet and i hate to think about to be disabled for all my life (and without a proper diagnosis). This thought still feels weird and unreal (iam 28 years old).

But, on the other hand, i adopted a life philosphy (stoicism) because of my problems. I dived deeply into buddhism and learned some useful techniques. I managed to life celibate, which was unthinkable a few years ago (due to a strong sex drive). I actually manage problems in real life real well, because none of them are even remotely that hard as my inner health problems.

All in all, i feel like i made a lot of mental progress. I used to suffer from depression in my teenage years because of 'teenage problems'. Lol. Nowadays i know how a real depression with barely any hope does feel like (and i managed to survived it).

So yeah, that is it. But back to diet :)

@Going less Crazy: do you have had your blood sugar levels checked? especially after 8 hours not eating (in the morning) and then eating some sugars (your beloved reeses for example). If you are like me, then your blood sugar should rise pretty high from that. It may happen with or without noticable fatique.
Iam asking because your diet plan has cut out most sugary things too. So sugar in general could be a problem.

I will try a glucose drink tomorrow and monitor my blood sugar levels after it. It should indicate wheter iam diabetic/reactive hypoglycemic or normal.

Another point is, that iam always struggling to eat enough stuff with my current diet. As a result iam now underweight (used to be above physical average due to bodybuilding). It sucks. I wish i could add diary, because then i would just eat 40% curd and be done with it. I would like to gain weight, but it is so difficult without knowing for sure what i can eat.

I can talk about my fatique situation with my relatives and friends. But in the end, they dont get it. Because i look ok and dont behave weird in any way. It is only me that knows how heavily clouded my brain is. However, when it comes to POIS, i can not talk about it because i does embarass me. People around me wonder, why i dont have a girlfriend and in the past, i even had to reject offers because of good old POIS. I just cant think of being in a relation with a woman when i have POIS. no way. even my fatique problems somewhat rule out the possibility of a relationship.
Well, it is not as big of a problem as it was a couple of years ago, mainly because i adopted stoic and buddhism based philosophies which are questioning the purpose of romantic relationships.

Long story short: I will further work on diet stuff. Iam convinced that diet is the key to an 'ok' life. I may not lead to 100% cure, but we wont know for sure until we tried :)
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 15, 2017, 10:46:43 PM
A couple of things radditz, blood sugar should rise after eating and 170 might fall into normal range, depends when you read it (you probably know this).  I saw that a blood sugar reading of diabetes is over 200 an hour after eating and over 140 two hours after eating something.  You might want to check about that.

I've had a blood sugar reading test twice and both were where I was supposed to be fasting, however, I was not fasting for whatever many hours before the test and one test was within normal range for fasting, and one without, so I don't think blood sugar is a problem for me.

Perhaps you can try black beans as they digest slower and will provide more balance to your blood sugar levels.  Sweet potatoes digest quickly and will probably mess with your blood sugar levels a little more.  Beans will definitely add more calories.  I eat about 7-8 hundred calories of beans per day.

Be aware that I was having slight problems after eating store bought meat.  I would have slight pain and cloudy urine and I recently pin pointed it down to the meat.  I now get certified gluten free meat and do not have cloudy urine anymore.  Cloudy urine is one sign for me that I ate something I'm sensitive to.

When I eat sugar/candy, I feel pretty good.  But than I end up feeling pretty bad but I don't think it's a blood sugar thing.  I thing the sugar at first dampens my immune response to it, than once my immune system rebounds, it increases inflammation in my body.  So the rebound causes more inflammation.  I've found something similar with alcohol as well.  I feel really good during a hangover probably because my immune system is lowered the next day.

Microdosing turmeric has helped me immensely with any residual brain fog and fatigue as well.  I still have no O problems.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on September 16, 2017, 08:11:22 AM
Hi GLC, and Radditz,

Blood sugar values for diabetes diagnosis purpose, in a classic glucose tolerance test, is taken 2 hours after ingesting a glucose load of 75g .   After 2 hours of ingesting this 75g of glucose, if you are still above 140mg/dl ( = 11mmol/L), diabetes is diagnosed.   If you are sitll above 140 mg/dl ( = 7.8 mmol/L), you are considered to have glucose intolerance.   

(note: 75g of glucose is quite a lot.... but you find that amount in a regular 580ml/ 20 oz soda bottle... so now you know why so many people have overweight problems, and how unhealthy soda is.   And diet ones are no better, aspartame is neurotoxic )

140 mg/dl one hour after ingesting 75g of glucose is not considered a problem. A level of < 7.8 mmol/l (140 mg/dl) 90 minutes after a meal is normal (see in reference 3 below).

For complete information about fasting glucose level, glucose tolerance test, and diabetes diagnosis, see:

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus#Diagnosis

(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose_tolerance_test

(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose_test




Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: dwight_schrute on October 12, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
Not sure if someone has talked about this yet but I think the diet you are doing is low Omega 6 which I think is very good for us.

We want to have more Omega 3s than Omega 6s in our diet because Omega 3s are typically thought of as anti-inflammatory while Omega 6s are inflammatory.

A key point is that I think this relates to nanna1's POIS cascade. 

Quote
(3) AA production and incorporation into the phospholipid bilayer is blocked by the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) [4, 13]. Moreover, EPA directly competes with AA for access to enzymes LOX-(5, 9), COX-(1, 2) and the CYP450 group [4]. And unlike AA, the metabolic products of EPA interaction with these enzymes are anti-inflammatory.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2502.0



Omega 3s contain EPA and DHA which helps decrease my POIS symptoms (constant mouth watering, muscle twitches all over body, brain fog)
So yeah not a bad idea to drastically reduce Omega 6s from our diets, eat more foods with high Omega 3s, and take fish oil supplements. 


Here's a cool site to find out all the nutrition facts for all kinds of foods.  Omega 3s and Omega 6s are listed.
 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2556/2

Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on October 14, 2017, 01:36:20 AM
Not sure if someone has talked about this yet but I think the diet you are doing is low Omega 6 which I think is very good for us.

We want to have more Omega 3s than Omega 6s in our diet because Omega 3s are typically thought of as anti-inflammatory while Omega 6s are inflammatory.

A key point is that I think this relates to nanna1's POIS cascade. 

Quote
(3) AA production and incorporation into the phospholipid bilayer is blocked by the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) [4, 13]. Moreover, EPA directly competes with AA for access to enzymes LOX-(5, 9), COX-(1, 2) and the CYP450 group [4]. And unlike AA, the metabolic products of EPA interaction with these enzymes are anti-inflammatory.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2502.0



Omega 3s contain EPA and DHA which helps decrease my POIS symptoms (constant mouth watering, muscle twitches all over body, brain fog)
So yeah not a bad idea to drastically reduce Omega 6s from our diets, eat more foods with high Omega 3s, and take fish oil supplements. 


Here's a cool site to find out all the nutrition facts for all kinds of foods.  Omega 3s and Omega 6s are listed.
 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2556/2

Yes omega 3s definitely help in inflammation as per research.  This is why I include salmon.  Since I've actually been avoiding cooking oils, even olive oil seems to give me brain fog at this point, I came across a canned salmon "chicken of the sea" brand that only contains salmon and water if i'm not mistaken.  Usually they tell you to cook salmon with olive oil.  So this canned salmon I bought contains none and I will add that to my list once I eat it more extensively (I ate it before without Ill effects but like to eat items for a longer duration before adding it to the list).

I also added salmon into this site which provides the nutrient info of your diet:

Cronometer.com

And salmon really fills out what I was missing.  Adds vitamin D, B12, omega 3s, etc.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on October 14, 2017, 08:10:34 AM
Not sure if someone has talked about this yet but I think the diet you are doing is low Omega 6 which I think is very good for us.

We want to have more Omega 3s than Omega 6s in our diet because Omega 3s are typically thought of as anti-inflammatory while Omega 6s are inflammatory.

A key point is that I think this relates to nanna1's POIS cascade. 

Quote
(3) AA production and incorporation into the phospholipid bilayer is blocked by the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) [4, 13]. Moreover, EPA directly competes with AA for access to enzymes LOX-(5, 9), COX-(1, 2) and the CYP450 group [4]. And unlike AA, the metabolic products of EPA interaction with these enzymes are anti-inflammatory.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2502.0



Omega 3s contain EPA and DHA which helps decrease my POIS symptoms (constant mouth watering, muscle twitches all over body, brain fog)
So yeah not a bad idea to drastically reduce Omega 6s from our diets, eat more foods with high Omega 3s, and take fish oil supplements. 


Here's a cool site to find out all the nutrition facts for all kinds of foods.  Omega 3s and Omega 6s are listed.
 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2556/2


Hi Dwight, and welcome to the forum.

Thanks for underlining the importance of increasing Omega-3 fatty acids in the diet, and decreasing Omega-6.

For those not found of eating salmon, lake trout, mackerel, herring, sardines and tuna ( the best fish sources of Omega-3), you can look for enteric-coated omega-3 capsules.  It is best still to verify that the preparation you choose has high purity standard and has been treated to eliminate any unwanted level of mercury.   

Also, do not take supplements of "Omega 3-6-9", they contains Omega-6 as well, so go for Omega-3 supplements alone, with a good level of EPA and DHA  ( you can aim to total 1000mg a day, like 600 mg EPA and 400mg DHA, which is a good starting point).


There are no EPA and DHA in plant Omega-3 sources, they are rather source of ALA, alpha-linoleic acid, another omega-3 FA.  It is not as effective, so it is far better, if you are not vegan, to go for EPA/DHA.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on October 15, 2017, 03:53:43 AM
Believe it or not, I actually reacted to that chicken of the sea canned salmon.  Gut pain and aphthous stomatitis "mouth ulcers".  Now I checked on their website and it should be gluten free.  However, there are many points where cross contamination could happen and this is why I test each product.

I know for a fact I can eat salmon without problems so it was the way it was processed.  I'm going to try a different brand and perhaps the pouches this time.



***Edit*** Bumble Bee canned salmon to eat.  Chicken of the sea canned salmon/tuna to avoid.  The bumble bee salmon feels like it has a lot of vitamin D in it, which I'm actually quite sensitive to (yes it's weird but I know when I'm getting a dose of vitamin D).  So I don't eat this salmon a lot.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: dwight_schrute on November 01, 2017, 01:20:25 PM
Hey guys so I had an epiphany today after finding weird things in my stool.  I had been eating all pinto beans for the past two days. 

So yeah it looks like parasites in my intestines.  It makes sense because I just started eating a raw onion right now and symptoms have decreased a lot. 

Whenever I ate a sugary fruit, like apples, the symptoms definitely worsened (mainly brainfog and numbness of body in some areas which led to social anxiety).  Also I think carbohydrates like rice and potatoes (which I had been eating a lot of) feed the candida and parasites as well. 

I have had a slight distended abdomen which I have kept thinking is fat, but even with all the workouts I do (I am in decent athletic shape) it would not go away.   

I'm ordering an intestinal/parasitic cleaner supplement from amazon:
 https://www.amazon.com/IntestinePro-Intestine-Echinacea-Ingredients-Vegetarian/dp/B00TET0MS8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1509559616&sr=8-3&keywords=parasite+cleanse+for+humans&dpID=51%252BKB0qiAHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch#customerReviews 

It makes logical sense in my mind because I've tried a lot of different nutritional supplements that haven't helped.
 
And yeah like Going Less Crazy advises, avoiding all the bad oils with Omega 6 is a great way to go because I'm sure the parasites love this toxic environment. 

Thanks Quantum, yes it is important to get a supplement with Omega 3 only. 
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on November 02, 2017, 07:07:57 AM
Let us know in a few weeks or months about your results, Dwight !
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on November 03, 2017, 03:09:55 AM
I would personally think that parasites would be unlikely, but still possible.  Distended abdomen could be inflammation-related.  My lower abdomen sticks out slightly at times, seems somewhat correlated to how well I adhere to my diet, but still not totally sure.  I also remember getting brain fog from raw onions, but I'm pretty sure this is a food reaction other than parasite die-off.  Good luck d s.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Prancer on February 08, 2018, 06:16:49 AM
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Yeah, let us know. *eye t-roll*

https://www.fakespot.com/product/teraputics-parasitepro-parasite-cleanse-for-humans-100-all-natural-top-rated-high-potency-herbal-parasite-killer-purge-and-detox-formula-60-caps-1575mg (different product, same analysis)
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: demografx on February 08, 2018, 11:38:34 AM
Hi, everyone,

Just a periodic reminder: Let’s please all be careful about the disparagement of other views that don’t coincide with ours.

Prime forum rule: “be nice...be friendly” :)

That still leaves plenty of room for respectful disagreement. But no name calling, please.

Adhering to this POISCenter forum rule is one reason we’ve been a successful forum for 10 years. The ones who bicker...
usually go out of business:) -

Thanks for listening.

Best wishes to all!
Demo


Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Prancer on February 08, 2018, 07:31:55 PM
Hi, everyone,

Just a periodic reminder: Let’s please all be careful about the disparagement of other views that don’t coincide with ours.

Prime forum rule: “be nice...be friendly” :)

That still leaves plenty of room for respectful disagreement. But no name calling, please.

Adhering to this POISCenter forum rule is one reason we’ve been a successful forum for 10 years. The ones who bicker...
usually go out of business:) -

Thanks for listening.

Best wishes to all!
Demo

Don't take a stand against criminals...let them run rampant in society, on the net, let them do their thing. Don't be mean to bank robbers or identity thieves. Yeah, no, be nice to them, treat them with respect. Don't grow a backbone. Do nothing. Don't stand up for yourself or for others. Be nice to EVERYONE including con artists, thieves, murderers and treasonous thugs.

If that's the position of POIScenter, then I will consider gathering the time/resources to start a new high-quality talkspace that understands the concept of paid trolls and misinformers. It will be staffed with very, very knowledgeable and smart people who understand the severe consequences of deceit and lying to the public and to sick vulnerable members. This is a science forum not a "point-of-view" forum. Or so we thought!

Edit: No, the ones that "bicker" don't go out of business. The ones that harbor criminal enterprises and paid trolls go out of business...sometimes forcibly! This is a matter of criminality, not cordiality.

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2624.0
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 15, 2018, 02:09:40 AM
I have added jalapenos to the list.

I'm actually quite surprised of the effects it has on me.  It is energizing and seems to really help with brain fog/inflammation/mood.  As for now I'm eating one whole jalapeno each morning.  I haven't been doing it for long so it's not permanent on my list yet.  But I'm really surprised so far as the results they are giving me.  Plus they are very cheap, about $2 per pound where I live.

I decided to buy some after feeling good from eating the jalapeno chips.  I don't want to say they ameliorate brain fog and stuff yet, but the results are very positive for me as far as residual brain fog and energy.

Also saw some posts about one dudes' thc jalapeno cure lmao.  I will continue this and update whether positive or negative.

P.s.  does anybody have an update, whoever is also working on diet?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on February 15, 2018, 11:38:47 AM

P.s.  does anybody have an update, whoever is also working on diet?

Hi GLC,

I still prepare myself healthy smoothies with organic veggies and fruits, still use coconot oil, etc... 

What I have added this week is some ginger.  I read some posts last week, I think, about ginger being beneficial for some members, and stumble upon, at my current health store, on a bag of organic ginger cubes, and bought it.  I eat just a few a day, and like the taste.   

Had a release this week, and sport the same day, so usually that's hard the day after , even with pre-pack  ( without pre-pack, work would have been very hard and long day, when both sport and ejaculation the day before ).  I took other things as well, like Vitamin C, and Pine bark extract, and ginger.  Looks like ginger has a very positive effect.  Will experiment more with it.

I remember a member telling about a sushi plate helping with his POIS....was it the ginger slices that often come with sushi?...

Jalapenos are a little too hot for me !  Ginger is a bit hot for a couple minutes, but it's ok for me.  Will experiment a little bit with it.  Anyway, I like spices in general, and I like the taste of ginger, so I do not take it only as a experiment, but because I like the taste.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 15, 2018, 03:19:17 PM

P.s.  does anybody have an update, whoever is also working on diet?

Hi GLC,

I still prepare myself healthy smoothies with organic veggies and fruits, still use coconot oil, etc... 

What I have added this week is some ginger.  I read some posts last week, I think, about ginger being beneficial for some members, and stumble upon, at my current health store, on a bag of organic ginger cubes, and bought it.  I eat just a few a day, and like the taste.   

Had a release this week, and sport the same day, so usually that's hard the day after , even with pre-pack  ( without pre-pack, work would have been very hard and long day, when both sport and ejaculation the day before ).  I took other things as well, like Vitamin C, and Pine bark extract, and ginger.  Looks like ginger has a very positive effect.  Will experiment more with it.

I remember a member telling about a sushi plate helping with his POIS....was it the ginger slices that often come with sushi?...

Jalapenos are a little too hot for me !  Ginger is a bit hot for a couple minutes, but it's ok for me.  Will experiment a little bit with it.  Anyway, I like spices in general, and I like the taste of ginger, so I do not take it only as a experiment, but because I like the taste.

That is good to hear.  I tried ginger before in pill form and had massive brain fog.  I don't know if ginger outside of pill form will help, or if the pill has some other ingredient added.  I bet if I had fresh ginger it would be good, because anything in pill form or that has been processed my body sucks at handling.

Actually if you dig out the middle of a fresh jalapeno, it's not as hot as you'd expect.  I just eat the outside of the jalapeno.  Seems very beneficial so far.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on February 16, 2018, 05:59:45 PM
Hello

Long time lurker of the forum but this is my first post. I started to have a deeper interest in this thread after I remembered that I overcame a period of terrible gastritis through implementing a gluten free diet. So for the past month I have been in a state of Ketosis, literally 0 carbs and no sugars. Guess what!? NO POIS. However as it became evident that I cannot maintain ketosis long term primarily because of the nature of my work, I began trying to reintegrate carbs back into my diet and once again the brain fog,lethargy,anxiety and cognitive impairment came right back.

So GLC i'd like to ask, outside of kidney beans and SP are their any other carbs you suggest for energy?.

Kind regards
Bletz
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 16, 2018, 06:41:04 PM
Hello

Long time lurker of the forum but this is my first post. I started to have a deeper interest in this thread after I remembered that I overcame a period of terrible gastritis through implementing a gluten free diet. So for the past month I have been in a state of Ketosis, literally 0 carbs and no sugars. Guess what!? NO POIS. However as it became evident that I cannot maintain ketosis long term primarily because of the nature of my work, I began trying to reintegrate carbs back into my diet and once again the brain fog,lethargy,anxiety and cognitive impairment came right back.

So GLC i'd like to ask, outside of kidney beans and SP are their any other carbs you suggest for energy?.

Kind regards
Bletz
Hi and welcome.

Fruits are carbs as well.  I do apples, pears, peaches, blackberries, strawberries, etc.  Also clear honey, maple syrup.

I mainly do black beans and sweet potatoes.  Also do fresh eastern white potatoes, as well as cape cod original size potato chips.  Sometimes white rice if tolerated,  might be better to double boil these. These types of carbs are the hardest to tolerate.

I continually update the diet so what's there is what I eat.  Haven't tried every grain.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on February 17, 2018, 09:36:31 AM
Hi

Thanks ill be following the diet for the next month and definitely look integrate much more fruits. I'll be doing it whilst taking LDN (Low dose naltrexone) and will report back in a month. P.S do you react to cashews or almond nuts?.

Regards
Bletz
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 17, 2018, 07:29:15 PM
Hi

Thanks ill be following the diet for the next month and definitely look integrate much more fruits. I'll be doing it whilst taking LDN (Low dose naltrexone) and will report back in a month. P.S do you react to cashews or almond nuts?.

Regards
Bletz

I had a terrible reaction to cashews before, but I don't know if they had another ingredient in it.  I am fine with almond milk.  I really do not eat nuts.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 01, 2018, 10:21:59 PM
I will be ordering a certain enzyme.  It is "supposed" to degrade gluten and "proline" rich proteins substantially before entering the small intestine, where foods are absorbed...so it essentially makes it non-immunogenic.  I've asked about it's ability to digest other problematic proteins like the ones in corn (zeins), and was basically given a "it should because of it's proline content (of the zeins) but no research on that" response. 

There is a lot of research on it degrading gluten... Something like around 90% before it enters the duodenum, and continues from there.  So if it does what it states it could be particularly good for me, given I am not 100% sure if I have celiac (obviously not a textbook case) or some crazy sensitivity to grains.

So I will be trying this next in the future, particularly on foods that bother me but not so much, like on Doritos or certain rice products to see if it has an effect on its tolerability.  I'm not encouraging anyone to go out and buy something, this is just literally an update of where I am now and what I would like to try in the future.  Could be a complete sham.  Hence I'm hesitant if I should even post this.

*** Edited to say "a certain enzyme", I'll provide a real update when I try it, which may be some time.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on March 02, 2018, 04:56:15 AM
Hi GK, do you still use olive lief extract?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Observer on March 02, 2018, 06:10:14 AM
Hi GK, do you still use olive lief extract?

I can say that it works to some extent, has worked for others too. I don't know if GLC still takes it but it is really a non-aggressive approach.



Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 03, 2018, 01:40:37 AM
Hi GK, do you still use olive lief extract?

I can say that it works to some extent, has worked for others too. I don't know if GLC still takes it but it is really a non-aggressive approach.

I no longer take OLE.  But, it was pretty good before my dietary approach.  The reason why I no longer use it is because I no longer need it.  Also, last time I used the spring valley version I ended up with a mouth ulcer (aphthous stomatitis), but I also had dairy that day so I can't say for sure it was the OLE.  My diet has made my mind and body clear but also really sensitive to foods/supplements it doesn't like.

I was reading up on aphthous stomatitis recently and it is supposed to be a T-cell mediated reaction.  This is more evidence that I have some version of celiac (which is also T-cell mediated).  But I react to all grains... So... Not typical of celiac but there are people with celiac with reactivity to all grains and dairy like myself...either from cross-reactivity or just additional sensitivities.  I cross my fingers it is a cross reactivity and that I have the hladq2 gene someday when I get a  genetic test... there is a cure in the pipeline for this (Nexvax2).
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on March 18, 2018, 12:24:52 PM
1 Month Update.

So I went 3 weeks in a state of Ketosis and ran on 20 grams of net Carbs per day, I also avoided any gluten, grains and dairy and stuck to the food on the allowed list on the first page of this thread. For the first time in 5 years I had 0 symptoms after O it's truly incredible, I can o 4 times a day and will not get a single symptom. Due to commitments at work, I could not run on Ketosis this week so I adopted the diet suggested by GLC and guess what? no symptoms after O. It is hard to stick to and you MUST be strict especially with cross contamination but I guess its just the case sticking to it and making it habitual. I also supplement on Vitamin D and take a B12 tablet daily. Prior to this my symptoms where mainly emotional with some cognitive impairement

Fatigue
EXTREME brain fog
Inability to communicate effectively
lack of drive
social phobia
VERY BAD concentration
Depressed mood
Irritability.

These all vanished as soon as I went into ketosis and its stayed that way this week. Ill be back to update in another month.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on March 18, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
Congratulations Bletzer.

In your first post, you said you get a gastritis after following no gluten diet ? Is it correct ?
I have a f***** gastritis since 3 months and it's very very boring. I can eat few and only vergtables/fruit... :/

I stopped sugar ten years ago and it was my first step in pois cure too.
Taurine supplement was the 2nd.

I don't remember what is exaclty the diet suggested by GLC (maybe should we make a sumary of the diet ?) but I bet you can eat low glycemic index food including fruit without Pois symptoms.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it's not an obligation the diet must be ketonic.
The key factor is too not release insuline spikes.
Of course ketonic is low carb but it's a more extreme diet.
Try low carbs and tell us if it works or not.



Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on March 18, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
Hi Bletzer, thanks for report, this info is wery waluable to us.
Did you olso take LDN this 3 weaks or no?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on March 18, 2018, 06:51:56 PM
Congratulations Bletzer.

In your first post, you said you get a gastritis after following no gluten diet ? Is it correct ?
I have a f***** gastritis since 3 months and it's very very boring. I can eat few and only vergtables/fruit... :/

I stopped sugar ten years ago and it was my first step in pois cure too.
Taurine supplement was the 2nd.

I don't remember what is exaclty the diet suggested by GLC (maybe should we make a sumary of the diet ?) but I bet you can eat low glycemic index food including fruit without Pois symptoms.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it's not an obligation the diet must be ketonic.
The key factor is too not release insuline spikes.
Of course ketonic is low carb but it's a more extreme diet.
Try low carbs and tell us if it works or not.


Yes yes, a few years back around the time my POIS started I had chronic gastritis which was resistant to antibiotics and a biopsy was done. In order to cope with the pain I adopted a gluten free diet and after a few months my pain stopped and the following endoscopy didnt find anymore signs of inflammation. My father has atrophic gastritis type B which is autoimmune and can be hereditary so I never really consider myself completely safe. I also have another autoimmune condition which im being treated for called Cholinergic Urticaria (Heat Hives).

Regarding the diet, all the foods that are good to eat are on the first page of this thread courtesy of GLC. Yes the diet mainly has low glycemic foods yes but the most important point is to not consume any gluten, dairy or grains. Being in ketosis was great, I had no craving for sugar or carbs after the first 3 days and I was highly energetic but it wasn't practical for me due to work.

I'll look to take in around 110gs of carbs per day and the rest in fat and protein for the rest of the month and will give you some feedback.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on March 18, 2018, 06:53:47 PM
Hi Bletzer, thanks for report, this info is wery waluable to us.
Did you olso take LDN this 3 weaks or no?

No Worries

I didn't end up taking LDN no.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on March 19, 2018, 10:25:47 AM
Hi Bletzer, I have added you in the list of reference members in my POIS Types Chart, in the POIS Type responding to diet ( see at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 , in number 7 )

Thanks for sharing your results with the other members !
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 19, 2018, 09:45:42 PM
To anybody looking for the diet, just look at the first post!

That's great Bletzer!  I agree that the less carbs I eat the better I feel in general.  But congratulations on finding this diet helpful.

Obviously all the foods on my first post are subject to what brand you eat, etc.  So some vague foods that I may have listed you guys might want to do your own research on if it is safe or not, that may involve testing it.  All foods sold go into some type of "processing" that may involve chemicals, mixing with other foods, etc.  So testing is pretty critical.

The hardest carb I find to digest on the front page is white potatoes.  I'm usually good with GF mashed potatoes or GF French fries like from Chick-fil-A, but potato chips are not always easy for me (pain in the abdomen). Now this isn't always the case... Sometimes I can eat a bag of cape cod potato chips fine, but other times I will have pain.  I wonder if it has something to do with the rotation of oils used to make them (it will say "this oil, or that oil, or that oil" on the bag, so it is ,oil-wise, not a consistent product).  On the other hand, I've been trying some "natural" vitamin C made from a mixture of berries that has been causing some pain... So again I might be mistaking that pain to be caused by the chips...  It gets very frustrating at times.

I've also tried the enzyme that I ordered.  It actually came today.  So far what I can say is that it has no bad effects, no pain or other immediate side effects so that is good.  The real question is does it work on foods, particular troublesome grains that cause problems?  It is really too early to update this but I had a batch of those GF brownies I listed and sometimes I will get mouth ulcers from them (literally looks like a small bubble inside my mouth on the cheek/gums that goes away in 24 hours).  So I took them with the pill and so far no ulcers but that could change.  I also get the ulcers from eggs, and that is included in the recipe, and if this enzyme breaks those proteins down I am not sure.  But so far fingers crossed.  I'm not sure if I will ever use this enzyme on gluten, because obviously I avoid it at all costs...I might have celiac.  But I will try it on corn, rice, etc. in the future.  It would be nice to use when going out to eat (it's supposed to be very good for cross contamination as well).

Congrats and I will update later, also adding a food to the front page now.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on March 20, 2018, 02:21:36 AM
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 20, 2018, 03:19:20 AM
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"

Although sugar has bad effects on health, it really has zero effects on my POIS.  I can eat a whole batch of GF brownies (tons of sugar), orgasm a couple times that same night, and have no POIS.

For a long time I realized my POIS has to do with food sensitivities/allergies, not blood glucose levels.  Again, eating loads of sugar will not help you feel good in anyway for anybody.  I avoid aspartame like the plague though.

If anyone remembers a long time ago I had a pois free month or two and always wondered how or why that happened.  I remembered I used to drink almond milk, as well as.being GF that helped.  So I again went completely gluten free and than dairy free again (sub with almond milk), and POIS was drastically reduced.  Further investigation revealed I had to avoid more grains and some additional sensitivities to get to 99-100%.  These literal bubbles I get in my mouth are a good indication for me if I have a problem with a food or not. 

The good news is I "seem" to be able to tolerate some foods better.  I have been eating Mexican food (hard corn tacos, yellow rice) without reaction from a restaurant and felt decent afterwards.  So, if this crazy sh*t is correct, my gut "may" be healing.

So bjim, I think the correlation with sugar is that it causes bodily inflammation in everybody, but, and take this with a grain of salt, if the intestinal lining is compromised (as believed like I had and possibly still have) and you add inflammatory sugars into the mix, you will probably feel this inflammation more than if your intestinal lining was in good shape and dealing with these sugars.

So for me, gluten and dairy were the biggest culprits followed by brown rice and corn... I literally get gut pain and feel absolutely like sh*t from these grains.  Dairy really just effected my mood and brain fog.  You never know if food is the problem until you try (like I have).  But from what I see I don't think this works for everyone with POIS as a symptom.

And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on March 20, 2018, 05:26:56 AM
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And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?

Yes, I did. I could give you the results later but the 4 iG tested are normal.

The only point i could be agree is sugar gave me dihreas especially in pois, showing something happen in the intestine or maybe in pancreas (the way to the intestine).
I always speculate that a part of digestive system is busy "to regenerate"
something (semen, testosterone ? ... ) and then is not capable to make the digestion of sugar in normal condition.
For example, pancreas.

But, i prefer to keep strong arguments : we never had real data to prove the presence of inflammation in body in Pois.
My CRP in Pois is always normal.



Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on March 20, 2018, 05:38:20 AM
I didn't look this point since some years but it seems there is a scientific argument :
https://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/is-something-in-your-diet-causing-diarrhea

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Sugar. Sugars stimulate the gut to put out water and electrolytes, which loosen bowel movements. If you ingest a lot of sugar, you may develop diarrhea. One of the biggest offenders is fructose, which is found naturally in fruits (such as peaches, pears, cherries, and apples) or added to foods and drinks, such as applesauce, soda, and juice beverages. "Seventy-five percent of people who ingest more than 40 to 80 grams of fructose per day will get diarrhea," says gastroenterologist Dr. Norton Greenberger, a Harvard Medical School professor. Another offender: artificial sweeteners such as sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol (found in sugar-free gum, candy, and medications).

Maybe the secret is here. Avoiding sugar or gluten to save electrolytes in competition.

In my case, fructose don"t increase the Pois and the diarreahas symptoms. So, the culprit must be glucose and Na+ electrolyte.

Other electrolyte : Ca++ (explaining muscle tremors in Pois ????)
                           Iron
                            Bicarbonate
                             k

Maybe we should test electrolytes before and after orgasm and follow a diet balancing them
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on March 20, 2018, 10:13:23 AM
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"

Although sugar has bad effects on health, it really has zero effects on my POIS.  I can eat a whole batch of GF brownies (tons of sugar), orgasm a couple times that same night, and have no POIS.

For a long time I realized my POIS has to do with food sensitivities/allergies, not blood glucose levels.  Again, eating loads of sugar will not help you feel good in anyway for anybody.  I avoid aspartame like the plague though.

If anyone remembers a long time ago I had a pois free month or two and always wondered how or why that happened.  I remembered I used to drink almond milk, as well as.being GF that helped.  So I again went completely gluten free and than dairy free again (sub with almond milk), and POIS was drastically reduced.  Further investigation revealed I had to avoid more grains and some additional sensitivities to get to 99-100%.  These literal bubbles I get in my mouth are a good indication for me if I have a problem with a food or not. 

The good news is I "seem" to be able to tolerate some foods better.  I have been eating Mexican food (hard corn tacos, yellow rice) without reaction from a restaurant and felt decent afterwards.  So, if this crazy sh*t is correct, my gut "may" be healing.

So bjim, I think the correlation with sugar is that it causes bodily inflammation in everybody, but, and take this with a grain of salt, if the intestinal lining is compromised (as believed like I had and possibly still have) and you add inflammatory sugars into the mix, you will probably feel this inflammation more than if your intestinal lining was in good shape and dealing with these sugars.

So for me, gluten and dairy were the biggest culprits followed by brown rice and corn... I literally get gut pain and feel absolutely like sh*t from these grains.  Dairy really just effected my mood and brain fog.  You never know if food is the problem until you try (like I have).  But from what I see I don't think this works for everyone with POIS as a symptom.

And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?


Well said, also Bjim you do not have to necessarily test positive for celiac disease in order for you to have sensitivity to gluten.Many people suffer from Non celiac gluten sensitivity, where blood markers for celiac are absent but they still have very bad sensitivity to gluten and patients generally complain about intestinal pain and POIS like symptoms.

Take this clip for example ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XVwpL7mZ0 ) many patients come in with POIS like symptoms and as soon as the doctor puts them on a gluten free diet they recover comfortably. A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Also just wanted to add that since being POIS free with the diet, right after orgasm I get a sharp pain in my intestines that I never felt when ingesting gluten or carbs. It was more pronounced when I was in Ketosis.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on March 20, 2018, 10:50:47 AM
I didn't look this point since some years but it seems there is a scientific argument :
https://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/is-something-in-your-diet-causing-diarrhea

Quote
Sugar. Sugars stimulate the gut to put out water and electrolytes, which loosen bowel movements. If you ingest a lot of sugar, you may develop diarrhea. One of the biggest offenders is fructose, which is found naturally in fruits (such as peaches, pears, cherries, and apples) or added to foods and drinks, such as applesauce, soda, and juice beverages. "Seventy-five percent of people who ingest more than 40 to 80 grams of fructose per day will get diarrhea," says gastroenterologist Dr. Norton Greenberger, a Harvard Medical School professor. Another offender: artificial sweeteners such as sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol (found in sugar-free gum, candy, and medications).

Maybe the secret is here. Avoiding sugar or gluten to save electrolytes in competition.

In my case, fructose don"t increase the Pois and the diarreahas symptoms. So, the culprit must be glucose and Na+ electrolyte.

Other electrolyte : Ca++ (explaining muscle tremors in Pois ????)
                           Iron
                            Bicarbonate
                             k

Maybe we should test electrolytes before and after orgasm and follow a diet balancing them


Interesting thoughts, b_jim. 

POIS is a complex puzzle with many pieces.  Electrolytes seem to be a part for me, since I have potassium, and magnesium, in my pre-pack, and both are clearly useful for me in POIS.  Magnesium for anxiety and energy level, and potassium for hypotension, and hard-pounding heart related to extreme fatigue, and for fatigue level itself.  I also use potassium after sport for the same reason ( I probably lose too much potassium when sweating, or through muscle activity, since muscle contraction throws potassium out of the muscular cells... I may have a genetic defect of the sodium/potassium ions pump ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%2B/K%2B-ATPase ), at cellular level, so my potassium goes back too slowly in the cells.....just another hypothesis...)
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on March 22, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 22, 2018, 07:19:54 PM
Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

Lectins are basically the irritating content in food. I do see some similarities, for example: grains, uncooked beans, dairy and nightshades, chickpeas, avacados, bananas,etc... But not carrots, salmon or sweet potatoes.  Perhaps a day i can look into it more, or maybe somebody can for me by what's listed on the first post on this thread.  I found another good site:

https://www.superfoodly.com/foods-high-in-lectins/

I'm not sure if my diet so far is exactly like a lectin avoidance diet, but it looks quite similar...on second look it looks very similar.  Garlic, casein, a lot of the stuff on their I avoid.  But it makes sense that not everyone would have a problem with every lectin.

A promising thing for me is the enzyme i am taking is supposed to cut proline-rich molecules to essentially make it non-immunogenic before it enters the small intestine (not 100%, but close to 90 and it continues working from there).  It just so happens that lectins (I'm not sure if all?) are rich in proline!  While it's too early to report on this enzyme yet, I seem to be doing okay so far on it (been using it for 2 days).
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Rinat on March 24, 2018, 11:16:05 AM
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on March 25, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.
What is this?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Rinat on March 25, 2018, 09:38:41 PM
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.
What is this?
It is red berry. https://www.inmoment.ru/beauty/health-body/useful-properties-products-k1.html
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 05, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
Just an update on an enzyme i am taking that breaks down prolamines (in grains).

Pros:

-Haven't had any mouth ulcers/bubbles inside mouth since every time I took it right before problematic food
-no real identifiable pain yet in gut

Cons:

- causes insomnia
- causes heart palpitations
- does not prevent my mood reaction to nightshades so far (tomato sauce tried)

So every time I took it with grains it seems to have worked (tried corn and rice), however, the insomnia is the hard part.  This is where I combined it with olive leaf extract to get a better sleep, but it was not the best sleep.  I do not like taking ole more than one day a week.

This is where I am at now.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on April 06, 2018, 06:31:15 AM
A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Interesting, IL-8 is elevated in those patients.
Aside from that I wonder if people feel better by the core idea of a diet or the potential avoidance of mast cell triggers in that diet regarding POIS symptoms. For example do people feel better on a gluten free diet because they avoid gluten, is another molecule responsible for improvements or is it a random mast cell trigger which they avoid.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on April 06, 2018, 09:22:52 AM
Indeed, few people have real gluten allergy (celliac disease) but most of us have small allergic reaction with gluten, called gluten sensivity.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: positivethoughts on April 17, 2018, 04:04:47 PM
Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on April 24, 2018, 12:06:52 PM
Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.

That's very good.  I've actually improved to the point where I have been eating Mexican food a lot lately, like 2x week, (gluten free) containing a lot of yellow rice and corn chips safely and without pois if I "O" that day.  I feel gluten and dairy are the main culprits so far (certain nightshades as well for me).

Abdominal pain is a symptom I've never had until adjusting my diet.  I believe it is some sign you are "healing" to a point where you will actually feel the affects of food you are sensitive/intolerant to.  I've had abdominal pain from vitamins/herbs/supplements where the smallest amount taken and I can really notice it.  This is also likely because these markets, especially herbs, are not regulated and could have some gluten or who knows what in the ingredients.

It is extremely good that you are getting a colonoscopy and it is something I've really wanted to get done.  Let us know the results because for all we know many of us could have similar problems.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on May 03, 2018, 08:31:26 AM
Quick update

I took up the GLC diet, however I quickly realized I was reacting to beans and foods in the legume family (Return of POIS and abdominal pain). Since then I've reverted back to a Keto AIP Lectin free diet and POIS has vanished once again.

0 fatigue
10x better focus
no social phobia
no pois
no joint pain
perfect regulation of mood
bags of energy
7kg weight loss in 2 months

I feel like I've got my life back in some way. Its clear to me, some people react to certain lectins whilst others are intolerant to others.The lectins in grains however cause me the most problem, I can get POIS symptoms from just eating a sandwich. I think my version of POIS really does stem from inflammatory foods, I didn't notice until I took gluten and all other grains/lectins out of my diet and then reintroduced them and had terrible brain fog and joint pain.

I think taking Omeprazol(Anti acid) for years followed by chronic gastritis, stress, a diet full of grains and antibiotics all contributed to my intestinal permeability(Leaky gut) . This permeability allowed for undigested lectins through my gut and into my blood stream with the help of Lipopolysaccharides. Once in my blood, these lectins cause severe inflammation, which is responsible for my joint pain and fatigue, but more importantly Lipopolysaccharides molecules also cause my body to attack my own thyroid gland and autoimmunity occurs through molecular mimicry. Contemporary evidence also shows that the blood brain barrier is highly permeable by default, so the inflammation caused by these lectins travel through the brain barrier and causes brain inflammation, which is the cause of my brain fog and depressed mood.

So the question I ask myself is, why are my reactions to food intolerance much more severe after ejaculation?.  I want to say that I don't have a medical background and the bulk of what I think comes from months of research and my personal experience.

My theory goes as follows

90% of Seretonin is created in the gut and after ejaculation the brain is flooded with serotonin.
Once ejaculation occurs the body needs to create much more serotonin in order to cope with this demand and will pass directly from the gut to the brain, in the process of this transfer, many more lectins are also let through the gut barrier which causes a worsening of symptoms.

Healing the gut will take time, a high dose of vitamin D, regular exercise ,major lectin free diet and multivitamins are what im currently on. A gluten free diet is not enough as all other grains have variants of gluten which cause inflammation. Gluten free products are usually filled with rye,barely and a number of other substitutes, which may initially help with your symptoms as they dont contain gluten found in wheat which is highly disruptive, however over time symptoms will return due to ingestion of barley, rye and oats.

As suggested by GLC, eliminate all grains and I would say eliminate legumes and nuts for a 3-4 days strictly. Then O and see if you have POIS, it could be the case that this type of POIS is exclusive to me and a few others but I guess you have nothing to loose by having a go. I believe that your reaction to particular lectins is determined by a combination of genes and gut microbiome

Others have discussed similar

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=299.msg14252#msg14252

https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/35rh8o/kurtosis_explains_to_the_best_of_his_knowledge/

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2608.msg22670#msg22670


Once again, im not experience in any medical field and these are just my collective thoughts for the past year and my personal experience.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on May 03, 2018, 09:35:30 AM
I also have this scenario in mind:
Dysbiose--->LPS--->Toll-like receptor activation--->activation of mast cells.
Bacterial, Viral or fungal products can all act on the same toll-like receptor type. Even if you suspect one of those 3, blocking certain toll-like receptor types (by TLR antagonists) might be an idea. Lectins are TLR agonists in general especially wheat lectins. If the gut is already disrupted at a certain location via TLR activation (by bacterial, fungal or viral) then lectins might exacerbate this situation.

I already avoid some of these lectin rich foods naturally and it might be worth a try to follow a strict lectin avoidance diet in the near future. The intensity of my POIS symptoms did build up gradually over the years and I wonder why that is. Is there some substance that has been depleted slowly over the years or is it the progression of a disruptive proces of the gut, like a dybiose spreading out. Serotonin might be lower in POIS patients because serotonin producing cells are perhaps being decreased by SIBO/SIFO. I'm also interested in testing for Lipopolysaccharide binding protein.

Perhaps POIS stems from a breach of the gut and we all share the same location but maybe the mechanism of disruption is different, even if there is SIBO one patient can have a different shift in microbiome than others and thus reacting positive to different medicine.

Carbohydrates in general may also exacerbate proliferation of bad Microorganisms. Nuts and seeds are out of the question for me as well as whole grains (most grains that is), makes me wonder if fiber play a role here. Fiber and carbs are main food sources for bacteria. But then again an other theory might be that I'm avoiding mast cell triggers and that these cells are just instable. I don't know, all speculation.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on May 03, 2018, 12:49:36 PM
bletzer, Good post.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on May 03, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
I am hapy to make you resarsh in hard mode ;D
lets fight this fuxxing ilnes hard.

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/assigning-inflammation-scores-foods/#7_Most_Inflammatory

I am real madrid fun , but that game should go in extra time( no penality) 8)
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on May 03, 2018, 06:25:52 PM
Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on May 04, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
GLC, i agree , if we hawe gut problems, anything else in body wil not work properly!
Delayed food sensitiwity is wery hard to notice!
Since i was a kid, i remeber that i allways be bloated a litle, i didnt pay atention to that. My diet was, chokolade , snaks, candy, chips, dry chease brad sendwichies with cethup and mayonese, icekream, cakes all kindes , white brad, shugary yucies, soda yucies, this was my diet ewry day..., my intake of fat was mostly hidrogenazed herb oil, fried food, big amount of sugar, small amount of helty fats, list of bad food i did eat is endles... sevral times i try to change diets to help my self and eat helty food, but i newer giwe up from bad foods in that period of timees.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on May 06, 2018, 09:37:08 AM
Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.

Yes GLC,Soaking and pressure cooking foods will remove 95% of lectins and do not become problematic. The problem is im not a fan of beans at all.Given that I am intolerant to MOST grains including rice and especially wheat, it is beneficial for me to be grain free and in a state of ketosis as im not constantly craving food. This will also give my gut time to heal and the fact that im not ingesting carbs means that IF I do have a bacterial infection in my gut, then a carb free diet is used to starve the bacteria.

As for whether or not you will be able to tolerate foods after a being on an AIP diet for a while, I really am not sure. I think that food triggers will vary amongst us and that it is heavily dependent on you genetics. I personally believe that years and years of not eating to your cellular predisposition causes leaky gut which leads to autoimmunity. My cholinergic Urticaria is GONE and that was classified as an auto-immune condition, I think its the same reason why if we share the same diet of a parent which has an autoimmune condition it makes your likelihood to be diagnosed SKYROCKET.

More research needs to be done on the role of nutrition on autoimmunity but this abstract of a presentation will be published in the future  ( https://lectinfreemama.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/304-305.pdf ) . If you navigate to the second study you'll  see 95/102 patients with signs of autoimmunity reached resolution. The researcher himself has claimed to put at least 800 patients in remission with auto-immune conditions.

BAD FOOD---Leaky gut---Auto-immunity---POIS

Regards
Bletz


Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on May 06, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
You also minimize the amount of allergens with this diet. Everyone is talking about their gut (myself included) but I don't know, reactions are starting in my mouth the moment they make contact. I wonder if there is a non-IgE mediated allergy at play here. Also cooking food by boiling water doesn't help that much but baking them at high temperatures helps significantly. It's like you are destroying specific molecules here that are responsible for triggering symptoms.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on May 07, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
I'm on omeprazole for the next 15 days. I changed all my diet.
What increase my gastritis symptoms : fats(+++), meat, dairy products, white bread/pastry/junk food (+++)...
I don't feal no-gluten diet helps. But I tried to eat buckwheat + millet and oats to decrease acidity. Of course, lot of vegetables,  fish, fruit and nuts/almonds...

And now, what decrease my Pois : only low glycemic index food.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on May 12, 2018, 07:19:15 AM
Hey guys so I had an epiphany today after finding weird things in my stool.  I had been eating all pinto beans for the past two days. 

So yeah it looks like parasites in my intestines.  It makes sense because I just started eating a raw onion right now and symptoms have decreased a lot. 

Whenever I ate a sugary fruit, like apples, the symptoms definitely worsened (mainly brainfog and numbness of body in some areas which led to social anxiety).  Also I think carbohydrates like rice and potatoes (which I had been eating a lot of) feed the candida and parasites as well. 

I have had a slight distended abdomen which I have kept thinking is fat, but even with all the workouts I do (I am in decent athletic shape) it would not go away.   

I'm ordering an intestinal/parasitic cleaner supplement from amazon:
 https://www.amazon.com/IntestinePro-Intestine-Echinacea-Ingredients-Vegetarian/dp/B00TET0MS8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1509559616&sr=8-3&keywords=parasite+cleanse+for+humans&dpID=51%252BKB0qiAHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch#customerReviews 

It makes logical sense in my mind because I've tried a lot of different nutritional supplements that haven't helped.
 
And yeah like Going Less Crazy advises, avoiding all the bad oils with Omega 6 is a great way to go because I'm sure the parasites love this toxic environment. 

Thanks Quantum, yes it is important to get a supplement with Omega 3 only.

Hi Dwight,

What results did you have with the anti-parasitic supplement ?  Any update?

Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on May 16, 2018, 04:55:34 AM
Enybody done food intolerance test lgG from blod?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: caveeater on May 17, 2018, 05:51:36 AM
Just to add to the discussion of leaky gut, I believe I also suffer from this. I have a genetic abnormality for the DAO enzyme which means I process histamine in food more slowly, and histamine can cause gut permeability and inflammation. I also had a high sugar diet growing up and frequent binge eating episodes in my life due to depression.

I?ve found that a low carb, kerogenic diet is the best thing for my mood and energy, but it?s very limited in terms of foods.

I find that the supplement glycine seems to help my gut, its used in healing leaky gut as well as glutamine (which I don?t tolerate).

The hardest part of following AIP for me is the no chocolate rule! I would eat 100% cacao chocolate daily as part of my ketogenic plan but after some research I?ve found it?s probably making leaky gut worse (it contains various things that aren?t good for the gut). So carob it is!

Also I wanted to add that I?ve found good quality Curcumin supplements help immensely with food intolerances and inflammation in general. I always notice the difference when I run out of my curcumin supplements!

Edit: also wanted to add that from what I?ve learnt, carbs can affect mood by lowering serotonin levels over time. While they provide a serotonin boost initially via insulin, in the long term they can actually deplete serotonin levels. Nora Gedgaudas explains this well: https://youtu.be/E5sEAei_zMQ
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on May 17, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
Dietary seaweed used to manipulate gut bacteria in mice:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180509135412.htm

Gelatin tannate reduces the proinflammatory effects of lipopolysaccharide in human intestinal epithelial cells:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3358810/
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: certainlypois2 on June 06, 2018, 10:47:19 AM
GlC what do you think of cocunut sugar.  What about soy in multivitamins.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: certainlypois2 on June 06, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
for those that might be looking to lift weights on this diet: there is bone broth protein supplement .
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 06, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
GlC what do you think of cocunut sugar.  What about soy in multivitamins.

I believe pure coconut sugar should be fine.

Funny you mention soy because I just tried some gf soy sauce to see if I can eat it.  I got stomach pain.  So no go on anything soy.  It's also supposed to be a gluten cross reactor.  Soy lecithin should be okay though.

Also, I've managed to completely add white rice back into my diet.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 26, 2018, 09:58:49 PM
Hey guys.  So after eating some things that seem to stay in my system for over a day (vitamin c,etc.), I decided to get something to support my liver just in case I have some problem.  This is when I came across milk thistle.  I've been taking this for about 2 weeks so far but it has a really good effect on me, especially neurochemically.  I am happier and seem more motivated.  I've gotten it down to the amount of maybe a quarter the size of a pea every morning and can really feel it.  I also O'd after eating ice cream and had not experienced pois yet, done this twice.  This made me do some more research on it.

So milk thistle seems to increase serotonin/dopamine levels and upon further research it seems to have an antiinflammatory and immunoregulatory effect.  It inhibits t-cell formation, I believe the specific one involved in celiac disease.  So if this is correct, it would dampen my reaction to certain foods. Check it out on Google.  So this could be a very good supplement for me as well.  It has only been 2 weeks, but it is promising so far.

***Update, after trying for a while, it has started to impact my sleep,. I will keep this herb handy because it definitely makes me feel well.  I will use it when I need it, not every day.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on July 26, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
I have recently started with Paleo and im gonna try it 100%!
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 27, 2018, 10:52:52 PM
I have recently started with Paleo and im gonna try it 100%!

Good luck.  What's really important is paying attention to foods you personally react to.  Notice how you feel after eating it and if it works keep it in your diet.  Hope it helps!
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 27, 2018, 10:55:29 PM
Also, for those with celiac, here is some hope in a different area of research that aims to block an enzyme responsible for notifying t-cells of gluten and gluten-like proteins which causes symptoms.

https://zedira.com/News/Press-release-Dr-Falk-Pharma-and-Zedira-announce-start-of-the-phase-2a-proof-of-concept-study-of-ZED1227-for-the-treatment-of-celiac-disease_107

Edit: wrong link
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on July 29, 2018, 02:14:37 PM
UPDATE

Just an update on my condition. Iv'e been POIS free for 5 months now by sticking to a strict ketogenic diet. My main source of carbs have been pressured cooked mung/adzuki beans and vegetables although I only get in about 30 grams of net carbs per day.

The cognitive improvement and reduction in anxiety have been truly life changing and has certainly been responsible for my improved performance at my job. Many will see a ketogenic diet a step to far to consider, but in my eyes I have my sexuality back, which is invaluable. I am no longer in a state of agony for days following an orgasm.


Regards
Bletz
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on July 29, 2018, 03:50:06 PM
Hi GLC,

You talk about mouth sores. What do they look like? Could you search for a similar pic on the internet and post this here? I have irregularities in my mouth and wonder if they look the same as yours.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 29, 2018, 05:21:58 PM
UPDATE

Just an update on my condition. Iv'e been POIS free for 5 months now by sticking to a strict ketogenic diet. My main source of carbs have been pressured cooked mung/adzuki beans and vegetables although I only get in about 30 grams of net carbs per day.

The cognitive improvement and reduction in anxiety have been truly life changing and has certainly been responsible for my improved performance at my job. Many will see a ketogenic diet a step to far to consider, but in my eyes I have my sexuality back, which is invaluable. I am no longer in a state of agony for days following an orgasm.


Regards
Bletz

That is very great to hear!  Hope the relief continues!
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 29, 2018, 05:24:12 PM
Hi GLC,

You talk about mouth sores. What do they look like? Could you search for a similar pic on the internet and post this here? I have irregularities in my mouth and wonder if they look the same as yours.

Mine look very similar to this:

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&biw=360&bih=310&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=dT1eW_TAFsPN_Abp47j4Dg&q=aphthous+ulcers+cheek&oq=aphthous+ulcers+cheek&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...5269.6721..7050...0.0...153.560.5j1......0....1.........0j0i30j0i8i30j0i24.xpYK2mshfeg#imgrc=e0lU9B384JzT3M:

Lol sorry about the format (I'm posting on my phone).  But usually they are small, pale, circular and painless bubbles that form on the inside of my cheeks.  They last about 12 hrs or so depending if I pop them or not.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Muon on July 29, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Hmm no, mine are different. The closest thing it resembles are fordyce granules, the entire inner surface of my cheeks are littered with it: https://www.quora.com/What-virus-or-allergy-can-cause-hundreds-of-tiny-bubbles-on-the-inner-lip-and-cheek-areas
My tongue also looks very rough with cracks, dunno what this is all about but anyway thanks for showing the picture.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on July 29, 2018, 10:01:33 PM
Hmm no, mine are different. The closest thing it resembles are fordyce granules, the entire inner surface of my cheeks are littered with it: https://www.quora.com/What-virus-or-allergy-can-cause-hundreds-of-tiny-bubbles-on-the-inner-lip-and-cheek-areas
My tongue also looks very rough with cracks, dunno what this is all about but anyway thanks for showing the picture.

Interesting.  Yes mine are definitely not that, usually I get one or rarely 2 at a time.  About the size of half a pencil eraser each.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on July 30, 2018, 06:49:16 AM
My opinion, becuse we hawe bad guts , we hawe malabsorbtion of vital vitamin and nutrients.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracked+tongue+vitamin+deficiency+pictures&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3oLab38bcAhUrEJoKHVooBjwQ_AUICSgA&biw=939&bih=580&dpr=1.09
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on August 15, 2018, 07:54:18 AM
have done paleo, not aip, for about 50 days now, better stomach and bowel as a result

also started with blackcurrant supplements

not sure if pois is still present, had nocturnal emission and felt a bit of a cold but will get back with info next time i mount my wife  ;D
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on August 16, 2018, 12:14:48 AM
have done paleo, not aip, for about 50 days now, better stomach and bowel as a result

also started with blackcurrant supplements

not sure if pois is still present, had nocturnal emission and felt a bit of a cold but will get back with info next time i mount my wife  ;D

Nice.  What are you using the black currant for and is it helping?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on August 17, 2018, 12:48:47 AM
have done paleo, not aip, for about 50 days now, better stomach and bowel as a result

also started with blackcurrant supplements

not sure if pois is still present, had nocturnal emission and felt a bit of a cold but will get back with info next time i mount my wife  ;D

Nice.  What are you using the black currant for and is it helping?

i use black currant for dry scalp, think its good yes.

so i just had sex last night and i had more or less no symptoms again.

some symptoms appeared right after O but went away after about 30 min

i always get poor breathing and this time i got rushing heart as well

i solved this by trying to hold my breath, could only for 20 sec first but eventually 2-3 min

also had some light brain fog that vanished quite rapidly

had sex at about 21 o clock and fell asleep after, i usually cannot sleep after sex

feeling quite good this morning

always having a bit of clogged nose and short of breath nowadays, but not sure if its pois or something else, had it for some years now

my woman was on top and did all the work by the way :-)

no strange bowel or digestion problems so far

conclusion..
paleo might be the thing for me, seems to have improved nutritional uptake
combined with long time abstinence might have filled up my reserves of something i have been lacking

done paleo right for about 50 days
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on August 17, 2018, 07:45:18 AM
have done paleo, not aip, for about 50 days now, better stomach and bowel as a result

also started with blackcurrant supplements

not sure if pois is still present, had nocturnal emission and felt a bit of a cold but will get back with info next time i mount my wife  ;D

Nice.  What are you using the black currant for and is it helping?

i use black currant for dry scalp, think its good yes.

so i just had sex last night and i had more or less no symptoms again.

some symptoms appeared right after O but went away after about 30 min

i always get poor breathing and this time i got rushing heart as well

i solved this by trying to hold my breath, could only for 20 sec first but eventually 2-3 min

also had some light brain fog that vanished quite rapidly

had sex at about 21 o clock and fell asleep after, i usually cannot sleep after sex

feeling quite good this morning

always having a bit of clogged nose and short of breath nowadays, but not sure if its pois or something else, had it for some years now

my woman was on top and did all the work by the way :-)

no strange bowel or digestion problems so far

conclusion..
paleo might be the thing for me, seems to have improved nutritional uptake
combined with long time abstinence might have filled up my reserves of something i have been lacking

done paleo right for about 50 days

Hi Mike,

I have added you as a reference member in the "Diet" section of my POIS Types Chart, since you have good results for nearly 2 months now.  See at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 , Type #7 .   There are now 6 reference members in this section, with slightly different types of diets ( gluten free, AIP, paleo,...).  And, to this, we can add many other members who have included healthy diet changes in their overall strategy against POIS, like myself, and those who are aware that non-healthy food like simple sugars are worsening their POIS symptoms.   Definitively, a more healthy diet is usually helping in POIS, and any POIS sufferer should consider improving his diet.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on August 19, 2018, 07:56:03 AM
have done paleo, not aip, for about 50 days now, better stomach and bowel as a result

also started with blackcurrant supplements

not sure if pois is still present, had nocturnal emission and felt a bit of a cold but will get back with info next time i mount my wife  ;D

Nice.  What are you using the black currant for and is it helping?

i use black currant for dry scalp, think its good yes.

so i just had sex last night and i had more or less no symptoms again.

some symptoms appeared right after O but went away after about 30 min

i always get poor breathing and this time i got rushing heart as well

i solved this by trying to hold my breath, could only for 20 sec first but eventually 2-3 min

also had some light brain fog that vanished quite rapidly

had sex at about 21 o clock and fell asleep after, i usually cannot sleep after sex

feeling quite good this morning

always having a bit of clogged nose and short of breath nowadays, but not sure if its pois or something else, had it for some years now

my woman was on top and did all the work by the way :-)

no strange bowel or digestion problems so far

conclusion..
paleo might be the thing for me, seems to have improved nutritional uptake
combined with long time abstinence might have filled up my reserves of something i have been lacking

done paleo right for about 50 days

Hi Mike,

I have added you as a reference member in the "Diet" section of my POIS Types Chart, since you have good results for nearly 2 months now.  See at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 , Type #7 .   There are now 6 reference members in this section, with slightly different types of diets ( gluten free, AIP, paleo,...).  And, to this, we can add many other members who have included healthy diet changes in their overall strategy against POIS, like myself, and those who are aware that non-healthy food like simple sugars are worsening their POIS symptoms.   Definitively, a more healthy diet is usually helping in POIS, and any POIS sufferer should consider improving his diet.

thank you

does anyone have any ideas what the stuffed nose and breathing problem is all about

has anyone any remedies for these problems

should i consult a doctor for the nose, i am so tired of doctors who are ignorant
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Quantum on August 19, 2018, 11:55:15 AM
For you clogged nose, there are basic ways to help, like nasal irrigation with saline ( Salinex, Sinus Rinse, Hydrasense, or similar).  By doing a good cleansing 3 to 4 times a day, it really helps, and it is totally sage ( be sure that it is a nasal irrigation product with saline physiologic solution, not a nasal decongestant !)

When I have clogged nose, I also take vitamin C and quercetin - they are very effective for me.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on August 19, 2018, 01:31:44 PM
For you clogged nose, there are basic ways to help, like nasal irrigation with saline ( Salinex, Sinus Rinse, Hydrasense, or similar).  By doing a good cleansing 3 to 4 times a day, it really helps, and it is totally sage ( be sure that it is a nasal irrigation product with saline physiologic solution, not a nasal decongestant !)

When I have clogged nose, I also take vitamin C and quercetin - they are very effective for me.

thanks, will get one of those better ones for cleansing
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on September 13, 2018, 03:27:23 AM
orgasm yesterday night

no cognitive dysfunction.
yet again trouble breathing and clogged nose, dry eye, dry skin.

but over all not that bad,

no constipation and no sensation of being ill or sick
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on September 23, 2018, 07:27:28 PM
So, I managed to find a white "bread" I can tolerate well, been testing for more than a month.  Kinnikinnick biscuits, but I am yet to find the bread of the same brand in the store and try it.  Their chocolate chip cookies also cause no problems.  They are gluten free and dairy free...also made with mostly white rice flour.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on October 10, 2018, 05:18:53 AM
orgasm yesterday, no immediate symptoms, light breathing difficulties that went away almost instantly
day after now i have some very very light common cold symptoms but i?d say 98% symptom free

stopping with milk intake and cutting down on sugar was a permanent change in my life, thanks to this threads posters!!

thanks again!!

also abstinence is good, no porn will do anyone here any good

also keep orgasm to max 1-2 per month
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 24, 2018, 05:26:25 PM
pffffffff, when i look what ordynary helty people eat, they put half a
bred in mouth and military meat caan with 90 year aditive durancy
and they are yust fine.

No trace of eny ilnes, alergy  or abnormality.
pffffffff
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: VictimNoMore on October 30, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Hey guys.  So after eating some things that seem to stay in my system for over a day (vitamin c,etc.), I decided to get something to support my liver just in case I have some problem.  This is when I came across milk thistle.  I've been taking this for about 2 weeks so far but it has a really good effect on me, especially neurochemically.  I am happier and seem more motivated.  I've gotten it down to the amount of maybe a quarter the size of a pea every morning and can really feel it.  I also O'd after eating ice cream and had not experienced pois yet, done this twice.  This made me do some more research on it.

So milk thistle seems to increase serotonin/dopamine levels and upon further research it seems to have an antiinflammatory and immunoregulatory effect.  It inhibits t-cell formation, I believe the specific one involved in celiac disease.  So if this is correct, it would dampen my reaction to certain foods. Check it out on Google.  So this could be a very good supplement for me as well.  It has only been 2 weeks, but it is promising so far.

***Update, after trying for a while, it has started to impact my sleep,. I will keep this herb handy because it definitely makes me feel well.  I will use it when I need it, not every day.

Hi Hopeoneday,
Im totally just spitballing an idea here but hear me out and it may give you another perspective. Recently i had an heavy metals test done on my hair and my results came back with a bunch of nasty metals that have apparently accumulated in my body like Mercury, Lead, Cobalt, titanium, Thallium and Rhodium. I suspect Ive built up some nasty metals in body due to Mechanical work that i do on a daily basis for over a decade now.
I started to look for a detox plan for removing some harmful build up, and Milk thistle is a great supplement to assist your liver. My current plan to help detox some of these metals, is milk thistle, working up a daily sweat through exercise, Continuing Intermittent fasting, and protecting against harmful chemicals with gloves.
Perhaps milk thistle is helping you in other ways, like helping your liver remove hard to remove toxins like heavy metals.
Just food for thought!
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on February 08, 2019, 02:39:42 PM
update on diet change

my bowel and stomach are much better, i drink a lot more water now, i primarily stay away from everything that contains milk
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: david on February 09, 2019, 02:18:46 PM
Hey guys.  So after eating some things that seem to stay in my system for over a day (vitamin c,etc.), I decided to get something to support my liver just in case I have some problem.  This is when I came across milk thistle.  I've been taking this for about 2 weeks so far but it has a really good effect on me, especially neurochemically.  I am happier and seem more motivated.  I've gotten it down to the amount of maybe a quarter the size of a pea every morning and can really feel it.  I also O'd after eating ice cream and had not experienced pois yet, done this twice.  This made me do some more research on it.

So milk thistle seems to increase serotonin/dopamine levels and upon further research it seems to have an antiinflammatory and immunoregulatory effect.  It inhibits t-cell formation, I believe the specific one involved in celiac disease.  So if this is correct, it would dampen my reaction to certain foods. Check it out on Google.  So this could be a very good supplement for me as well.  It has only been 2 weeks, but it is promising so far.

***Update, after trying for a while, it has started to impact my sleep,. I will keep this herb handy because it definitely makes me feel well.  I will use it when I need it, not every day.

Hi Hopeoneday,
Im totally just spitballing an idea here but hear me out and it may give you another perspective. Recently i had an heavy metals test done on my hair and my results came back with a bunch of nasty metals that have apparently accumulated in my body like Mercury, Lead, Cobalt, titanium, Thallium and Rhodium. I suspect Ive built up some nasty metals in body due to Mechanical work that i do on a daily basis for over a decade now.
I started to look for a detox plan for removing some harmful build up, and Milk thistle is a great supplement to assist your liver. My current plan to help detox some of these metals, is milk thistle, working up a daily sweat through exercise, Continuing Intermittent fasting, and protecting against harmful chemicals with gloves.
Perhaps milk thistle is helping you in other ways, like helping your liver remove hard to remove toxins like heavy metals.
Just food for thought!

heavy metals are very detrimental for all the body systems especially for adrenal glands and brain
did you check your thyroid ?
here are some very usefull info https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Mercury.aspx
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 16, 2019, 12:09:58 AM
Hey guys.  So after eating some things that seem to stay in my system for over a day (vitamin c,etc.), I decided to get something to support my liver just in case I have some problem.  This is when I came across milk thistle.  I've been taking this for about 2 weeks so far but it has a really good effect on me, especially neurochemically.  I am happier and seem more motivated.  I've gotten it down to the amount of maybe a quarter the size of a pea every morning and can really feel it.  I also O'd after eating ice cream and had not experienced pois yet, done this twice.  This made me do some more research on it.

So milk thistle seems to increase serotonin/dopamine levels and upon further research it seems to have an antiinflammatory and immunoregulatory effect.  It inhibits t-cell formation, I believe the specific one involved in celiac disease.  So if this is correct, it would dampen my reaction to certain foods. Check it out on Google.  So this could be a very good supplement for me as well.  It has only been 2 weeks, but it is promising so far.

***Update, after trying for a while, it has started to impact my sleep,. I will keep this herb handy because it definitely makes me feel well.  I will use it when I need it, not every day.

Hi Hopeoneday,
Im totally just spitballing an idea here but hear me out and it may give you another perspective. Recently i had an heavy metals test done on my hair and my results came back with a bunch of nasty metals that have apparently accumulated in my body like Mercury, Lead, Cobalt, titanium, Thallium and Rhodium. I suspect Ive built up some nasty metals in body due to Mechanical work that i do on a daily basis for over a decade now.
I started to look for a detox plan for removing some harmful build up, and Milk thistle is a great supplement to assist your liver. My current plan to help detox some of these metals, is milk thistle, working up a daily sweat through exercise, Continuing Intermittent fasting, and protecting against harmful chemicals with gloves.
Perhaps milk thistle is helping you in other ways, like helping your liver remove hard to remove toxins like heavy metals.
Just food for thought!

heavy metals are very detrimental for all the body systems especially for adrenal glands and brain
did you check your thyroid ?
here are some very usefull info https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Mercury.aspx

Guessing that was for me.  My problem doesn't stem from heavy metals.   I can be symptom free from diet alone.

Super frustrating for me that I cannot find a single supplement to take that doesn't mess with my sleep or cause a speedy feeling or whatever after all this time.  Though I'm not completely religious with my diet (I'll have dairy, corn chips or some candy on the weekend or more often that'll leave me moody for 24hrs).  I'm wondering if I'd be able to tolerate more if I would stick to it for a longer time straight.  They say to fix a leaky gut you have to really be 100% religious to your diet for a long time.  Maybe I keep sabotaging myself.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: bletzer on February 20, 2019, 08:51:20 PM
UPDATE

So its been a while since I?ve given an update so id like to clock in and let the thread know how im doing.

i havent had any pois symptoms in almost 6 months now, ive stopped taking my chronic hives medication, I havent had any joint pain and most importantly my social and general anxiety has vanished.

Ive found the energy I once had as a teen and its truely amazing.

What did/do I do?.

For me POIS was always a gut issue, my gut health and food pretty much dictates not only POIS but my everyday mood and energy levels. The consumption of grains and dairy would instantly give me brain inflammation and POIS if I ejaculate later that day.

I only eat
Chicken, fish, beef, lamb, eggs and turkey (Highly suggest organ meat)
Olive, ghee butter , MCT and coconut oil
Green apple and any greens
3 litres of water a day.

Not only is this diet super anti inflammatory but it allows the healing process of a leaky gut to take place.

Start with NO grains and No dairy then work your way from there.

The next time you have a bread/pasta/rice or anything sugary, take note of how you feel 5-10 after your meal.
Tired? Brainfog?

Regards
Bletz
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Hopeoneday on February 21, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
Thank you bletzer for info.
If enything is intresting about pois that this is.
I mean diet relations and pois cure for some mebers.
So... unhelty carbs do damage to body, flare up imunity,
unhelty bucteria in guts produce toxins,
carbs sugar ferment from bad bacteria and yeast and produce toxins
(Posible autobrewery syndrome),
leaky gut teory and again imunity flare up.

Why in us only? That,s milion dolar question!

That lead me to remember, as a chield i had
two moonth antibiotic use for sewere pneumonia
when i was a kid, amalgams in mouth i that time, genetic predisposition,
bad diet in that time, a gigant amounts of sugar (you know kids)
Sewere acne from all that in thouse time is prowe to me
that in thouse time i get guts microbiome damaged,
imunocompromised from that.
Tick byted in testicle in those same time.
Cronic lyme infections gets peoples
who had been imunocompromised.


Pois from that.
With all this , it was wery dificult to gorewe up
caryy with stress in life.

Good luck Bletzer, keep us informed about yours progres.

All in all wery intresting.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Limejuice on February 21, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
So glad to hear that!

I’m also sensitive to inflammatory foods and have suffered from POIS for 30+ years.

If you don’t mind me asking how long have you suffered and how old are you?
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: demografx on February 21, 2019, 02:17:11 PM

...have suffered from POIS for 30+ years.


Limejuice, we both belong to the same Club! ;D

(Membership is free).


Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: Limejuice on February 21, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
With so few members lets call it an elite club.

And glad it's free.. 30+ years of dues I'd be broke.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: demografx on February 21, 2019, 11:13:29 PM
With so few members lets call it an elite club.

And glad it's free.. 30+ years of dues I'd be broke.


(https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/facebook-ui-colored/48/JD-18-512.png)

Limejuice, here’s your lifetime membership card:
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Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: mike_sweden on March 31, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
update once again, have skipped paleo and moved on to FODMAP, much better.
Title: Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
Post by: b_jim on April 01, 2019, 07:33:30 AM
Hi Mike and congratulations.
Maybe you could create a topic to explain all your diet changes and what is helping you the best.

I changed my diet too :
Suppress or reduce a lot milk product,
More fruit, vegetables and nuts
Sprouted seeds

But I don't know what to think about FODMAp diet.