Eggs for POIS

[Muon]

Unfortunately, I am highly allergic to eggs. Could this somehow be related to POIS?

It's possible. I'm sensitive to egg white. Egg yolks, however, are no problem for me.

[Bulbo]

Congrats :-) They are definitely yummy and nutritious.
I recommend putting soy sauce instead of salt, makes the taste even nicer.

Thank you
Will surely try it

[Bulbo]

Unfortunately, I am highly allergic to eggs. Could this somehow be related to POIS?

Hello
What are the symptoms u experience in egg allergy ??

[Bulbo]

Unfortunately, I am highly allergic to eggs. Could this somehow be related to POIS?

It's possible. I'm sensitive to egg white. Egg yolks, however, are no problem for me.

Hello muon
What symptoms do you experience with egg white

[Muon]

Fatigue

[Bulbo]

Fatigue

Is it so severe ?? Is it similar to brain fog ?? If this is similar to brain fog in POIS, then the fatigue may be due to POIS and not due to sensitivity to Egg white

[Bellini]

So, for researchers and poisers that may find this thread on eggs in the future, I want to add new finds after eating 6-10 eggs a day for some months.

- The benefits seem to be cumulative and increasing, as if it's the thing that my body has been desperately needing the most for years, even decades.

- All other supplements and vitamins don't seem to be as crucial as eggs are. Even niacin. I could stop all of them, eggs I can't.

- Great improvement in my overall well-being - physical and mental.

- The need to lay down and stay like that for an indefinite amount of time to 'rest', which I've called 'chronic fatigue', is gone.

- Waking up and getting out of bed, which has always been an extremely difficult part of my day, seems quite trivial now. I even, somehow, feel kind of thrilled for the day, which is a new thing to me. I guess that's how being healthy feels.

- Physical activities are less painful now. As I've already said in this thread, I'm sweating less and the urge to urinate every few minutes is just gone. Urge to drink water non-stop is gone too.

- I feel smarter, solving problems seems easier, I also have more patience to read long boring work-related tutorials, or watching boring long videos teaching some boring stuff that I have to learn due to my job.

- I've always had this inexplicable fat in my belly, I say inexplicable given the crazy amounts of effort I've put on my diet, sleep and physical activity routine for years, and I'd just sigh and attribute this to 'bad genetics', but now it's vanishing and my abs started to show for the first time in my life. And I'm far from the discipline I used to have some years ago.

- I've been using Strava to record my runs around my neighbourhood for years, and even though my training now has been inconsistent, far from my best compared to when I was training for multiple races before covid, I'm now reaching PRs almost daily effortlessly, and something strange happened a few days ago, there's a strava segment that's a short path uphill (0.402 km /0.25 miles), and I've always done this segment while on 160/170 bpm, but now I'm doing it in less 40 bpm (125 bpm). Long runs of two hours with 115-125 bpm, while before it was 150-160 bpm. I'm baffled.

- Picture from my Strava with data for this uphill segment below. Also all strava segments/runs now have this smoother heartbeat curve pattern now compared to before, I don't know what to make out of this, but the heartbeat curves seems to be steadier, more controlled, I believe that it's a good thing, given that I'm feeling much better.

[Muon]

Fatigue

Is it so severe ?? Is it similar to brain fog ?? If this is similar to brain fog in POIS, then the fatigue may be due to POIS and not due to sensitivity to Egg white

No it is mild, but it adds to the some kind of load leading to symptoms, it is about minimizing triggers. POIS mode makes me more sensitive to food. I will try eating more egg yolks.

[Bulbo]

So, for researchers and poisers that may find this thread on eggs in the future, I want to add new finds after eating 6-10 eggs a day for some months.

- The benefits seem to be cumulative and increasing, as if it's the thing that my body has been desperately needing the most for years, even decades.

- All other supplements and vitamins don't seem to be as crucial as eggs are. Even niacin. I could stop all of them, eggs I can't.

- Great improvement in my overall well-being - physical and mental.

- The need to lay down and stay like that for an indefinite amount of time to 'rest', which I've called 'chronic fatigue', is gone.

- Waking up and getting out of bed, which has always been an extremely difficult part of my day, seems quite trivial now. I even, somehow, feel kind of thrilled for the day, which is a new thing to me. I guess that's how being healthy feels.

- Physical activities are less painful now. As I've already said in this thread, I'm sweating less and the urge to urinate every few minutes is just gone. Urge to drink water non-stop is gone too.

- I feel smarter, solving problems seems easier, I also have more patience to read long boring work-related tutorials, or watching boring long videos teaching some boring stuff that I have to learn due to my job.

- I've always had this inexplicable fat in my belly, I say inexplicable given the crazy amounts of effort I've put on my diet, sleep and physical activity routine for years, and I'd just sigh and attribute this to 'bad genetics', but now it's vanishing and my abs started to show for the first time in my life. And I'm far from the discipline I used to have some years ago.

- I've been using Strava to record my runs around my neighbourhood for years, and even though my training now has been inconsistent, far from my best compared to when I was training for multiple races before covid, I'm now reaching PRs almost daily effortlessly, and something strange happened a few days ago, there's a strava segment that's a short path uphill (0.402 km /0.25 miles), and I've always done this segment while on 160/170 bpm, but now I'm doing it in less 40 bpm (125 bpm). Long runs of two hours with 115-125 bpm, while before it was 150-160 bpm. I'm baffled.

- Picture from my Strava with data for this uphill segment below. Also all strava segments/runs now have this smoother heartbeat curve pattern now compared to before, I don't know what to make out of this, but the heartbeat curves seems to be steadier, more controlled, I believe that it's a good thing, given that I'm feeling much better.

Hello bellini
Happy to hear about your improvement. How many days of symptoms do you experience in pois before starting eggs ??

[Bulbo]

Fatigue

Is it so severe ?? Is it similar to brain fog ?? If this is similar to brain fog in POIS, then the fatigue may be due to POIS and not due to sensitivity to Egg white

No it is mild, but it adds to the some kind of load leading to symptoms, it is about minimizing triggers. POIS mode makes me more sensitive to food. I will try eating more egg yolks.

Hello muon
I used to have this type of fatigue with some medicines. But after eating eggs for more than 1 yr, i no longer feel fatigue with those medicines. I think your fatigue is related to pois and not eggs. I may be wrong but i wanted to share my thoughts.
Thanks

[Bellini]

Hello bellini
Happy to hear about your improvement. How many days of symptoms do you experience in pois before starting eggs ??

Hi, Bulbo. I didn't have an specific set of time I counted on, it could take weeks, months, and even then I could still feel sickly just out of the blue.

Now I can see that my problem was malnourishment, as malnourished people feel bad all the time; when they have sex, when they go to the gym, when they drive, when they study, etc.

Pois was just the tip of the iceberg for me, that's clear.

Eggs, lots of whey protein, milk, tons of water, vitamins, that was my only medicine. It will probably take a few years in order to feel completely normal, but now I'm on the right track. When I don't eat at least 5 eggs per day, I already feel different on the next day.

I bet that all anorexic men have POIS.

Good luck on your journey.

[Muon]

As far as I know, amino acids depletion may have meant problems with energy metabolism (e.g. a pathogen disrupting the normal pathways and the body emptying aminos to compensate) or gut issues (impacting absorption). Whatever the reason can be, amino acids supplementation caused a dramatic improvement of my POIS. More people in this forum may want to try a blood test as regards this issue.

[Bellini]

As far as I know, amino acids depletion may have meant problems with energy metabolism (e.g. a pathogen disrupting the normal pathways and the body emptying aminos to compensate) or gut issues (impacting absorption). Whatever the reason can be, amino acids supplementation caused a dramatic improvement of my POIS. More people in this forum may want to try a blood test as regards this issue.

Interesting... It might be that, indeed.

I believe that the POIS cycle is hard to break it out from because the nutrient deficit is aggravated by every other activity that we do.

Thus, we should approach the problem at first by abstaining from any sex related activity. Couple that with moderated physical exercise and rest, tons of rest and sleep, if one could minimize stress it would be even better.

Of course, a good diet and supplementation being the backbone of all.

It's a healing process, in my view. It takes time and patience. We can make it.

[Muon]

I'm not saying you are wrong but in my mind malnourishment (as a cause) doesn't make sense if your symptoms come back the moment you stop consuming eggs. Prospero symptoms return the moment he stops taking amino acids. I wonder if the rate of a certain amino acid depletes relatively quick (maybe due to the rate of neurotransmitter depletion or defects of an obscure metabolism cycle?). You could try taking the same amino brand as he did. Stress should be avoided at all cost in my opinion (at least for myself, I'm too sensitive to it). Spermine and spermidine depletion theory: https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4409/10/8/1867/htm#sec3-cells-10-01867

[Bellini]

Hello, Muon.

My symptoms don't come back when I stop eating eggs. At all. I just don't feel that great, but I don't have a difficulty finding words to say, I don't feel the urge to lay down on bed and stay there for days, the utter depression and social anxiety don't ressurge as they did in the past. I don't feel panic attacks out of the blue, either, I just don't feel as sharp, as smart, as full of energy and life as before. I lose my edge.

The two links you provided were fascinating to me (Prospero's thread and the spermidine/spermine study), because they share a lot of similarities with what I think about POIS. I will obviously dive deep in this rabbit hole as soon as I can, I will report back to you if I find anything worth sharing. Thanks.

I'm happy that the 'whys' are clearer to me now; yes, there are -- definitely -- crucial nutrients missing in my metabolism, that's the 'why', and that is what makes me feel how I feel, although I don't quite know yet the 'hows' behind that process. Is that some sort of 'leak'? Is that malnourishment? Is that an obscure neurotransmitter depletion?

Actually, after reading some Abram Hoffer's books, I believed that just like schizophrenics I could be urinating a lot of important nutrients, but my urine tests didn't accuse any of that, that's why I'm tending more to the malnourishment theory nowadays, but what do I know? We are all in the dark here, with some sporadic flashes illuminating our path every now and then.

But I do believe that we are on the right track. And notice that Dr. Hoffer's study on POWs showed that most of them needed years to recover from malnourishment, and some never did, needing supplements for their whole lives. Their bodies had simply unlearned how to process the nutrients' intake correctly, that's why so many died after receiving a full meal after being released (refeeding syndrome), to the dismay of the soldiers liberating them.

Treating malnourishment is a complex and lenghty process, that's why people here saying that they've eaten eggs for a week and didn't notice any change and that eggs probably don't help are not really helping themselves. Our bodies are not machines.

Thanks again, Muon.

[Muon]

Recently I found a combination of things that completely stops all my symptoms while also revealing the cause.

Its stupid but the simple answer was a combination of eggs + Ener-C (supplement).

https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/17xkmct/cured_pois_my_story/