cured after 20 years with aged garlic extract liquid

[Clues]

Has anyone successfully tried aged garlic extract in tablet form? The only product I can find in my country is a tablet by Kyolic brand. 600 mg per tablet.

EDIT: Also, has anyone seen improvements in symptoms that are present regardless of orgasm? Or does it only seem to help with post-orgasm symptoms?

[Quantum]

Good news!! after 20 years, finally cured!! I take Aged garlic Liquid extract 1 our before O, and the next day. Guess what, No more headaches, weakness, body aches. I think the reason for my pois was my body aggressively making new semen after O. causing all above symptoms. but Aged garlic Liquid extract creates a lot of semen, so body doesn't have to overwork. Its a theory, and maybe only in my type of pois. caution! if taking blood pressure med. or antibiotic, I think you cant take Aged garlic Liquid extract.

EDIT: Improved title

Great, Hopeful !
Let me know if it still works fine for you after 2 to 3 months.  If you agree I could then add you in the Garlic and Fenugreek section of my 'POIS Type Chart and their possible relief methods', and add notes about your specific method. ( the chart is at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 )

[mike_sweden]

garlic is a clear FODMAP nono

impossible treatment for me

[berlin1984]

Don't discount it just yet.

* aged - might have changed the FODMAP content
* extract - might not even be with the FODMAP content

(I haven't tried it, but I might.. and I also don't eat garlic currently because of FODMAP  )

[hopeful]

Hi everyone!! Just giving an update. It is really still working, its a couple months already. I cant believe how a small supplement makes me feel like a different person. No more week of pain, muscle/joint aches and headaches, after ejac. I think it works better when taken 30/45 minutes after meal, as apposed to taken during meal. Also only works if taken 45 min. before ejac. Hope it works for all of you too. Good Luck.

[demografx]

Thanks for sharing the news, hopeful!

[aswinpras06]

Great news hopeful. Aged garlic is a good mast cell stabilizer.  If you describe your pois symptoms more eloberatively I will be very thankful and it may be of help to those with similar symptoms.  Did you have any sinus congestion, digestive issues or breathing difficulty when in pois?

[hopeful]

I had mainly physical symptoms, muscle/joint aches, weakness, headaches, some mental too.

[Charles_b]

I have had some success with the garlic extract capsules - when I take two in the morning and two at night and orgasm/or arousal in between, I no longer have my severe nighttime symptoms that otherwise happen 100% (gasping for breath, full body jerks, sleep paralysis, horrific vivid nightmares).  It is a huge win for me to be able to sleep some.

Also I notice that body aches, muscle tiredness, and slow heartbeat seem to also be ameliorated by this treatment.

Unfortunately I still have massive brain fog, irritability, and trouble concentrating though even with the garlic.  So this helps with some things, but not all symptoms.

One other note:  If I get aroused or orgasm near nighttime even with the garlic, it barely helps.  So it seems like it helping my body flush things out before nighttime, but if I don’t give it enough time, then the same bad symptoms at night.

 

[Clues]

Ordered some aged garlic in tablet form. 600 mg per tablet, one per day. Kyolic brand.

After I ordered it, I saw there's also a brand of aged garlic in capsule form available locally: Neolic 9000. Weirdly, that one has only 4.5 mg garlic extract per capsule. Does anyone know the reason for the huge (> 100x) disparity in the active ingredients here?

[Hopeoneday]

The answer is alicin, antimirobial..antibacterial...

[Mr Raba]

I tried the Kyolic aged garlic extract drops.  Not very expensive at all.  I noticed that my circulation seems to work much better.  The pressure in my brain and anxiety go away.  I become calm.  Calm.  I could not believed that.  My brain which is usually overactive goes calm. 

Now here is the kicker:  It only takes two drops for it to work on day 1 after O.  That is right, 2 drops.  I tried 10 drops on day 2 after O.  NOT GOOOD FOR ME.  Too much.  It appear to cause my blood vessels to dilate to the point it did not feel good.  My BPM went up for 1.5 hours.  Pulse does that when it is trying to keep blood pressure up when a sudden drop happens.  So I learned not to take so much in day 2.  Yes it made me calm too for two whole days.  But not mentally sharp.  It seemed to improve my reaction to bending over or squatting or getting up fast. So I believe it improved my control of vessel tone a lot.  But 2 drops on day 1 does that too. 

The interesting thing is that when I first tried it before the O, I started one drop at a time.  I learned to be cautious.  I noticed that in a non O day I went up to 10 drops with not issues.  I measured my BP, it dropped 10 points only and it was not unpleasant.  No increase in BPM.  But not on day two after O which is the most severe day for me.  Ten drops on day 2 was way to much.   

I have noticed in the past that on day 2 after O I react differently to things I take.  So I typically not take anything that would intervene with the process on that day. 

So my nose clears, my throat does not feel raw anymore. I get a bit sleepy.  The pressure in the my lower brain goes away.  What I think happens is that the better irrigation makes me feel calm.  But there is probably a lot more to it.  It also feels like I took an antihistamine. 

When I took 10 drops at noon and that night I ejaculated, I had no reaction for four hours.   I felt great and peaceful for about 4 hours.  The next day I had symptoms which I now know to treat with just 2 drops.  Then I wait for an hour for the effect to fully kick in to ensure the dose is not too much, and if I feel I need more I  take one one more drop.  Still experimenting with it.  My main advise is do not take many drops at once until you know what the right number of drops is  for you on day 1, 2, etc. 

[Quantum]

Interesting, Mr Raba, keep us updated with your results in a few months.
It seems that this garlic product lowers your blood pressure.  Does your pressure usually raise when in a POIS attack ?I ask because I have hypotension when in POIS ( low blood pressure), so a vasodilator-like effect, which sounds like you described, would not work for me.

[BoneBroth]

My blood pressure is going through stages through POIS. First 2-3 days its increases, then it drops slowly and beomes lower then normal. I think the first increase is due to a spike in cortisol (cortisol is a vasoconstrictor). I'm not sure why iit drops later, maybe becaused exhaused adrenals, or that the body is running out of raw material for cortisol.

[Rock76]

Hello

This is my first post here but a quite important one.
I have been following the forum for about 6 months, after having POIS for more than 20 years, I exchanged many private messages with moderators and others.
I have tried many treatments in these months, Niacin, Taurine, antihistamines, methylation support,
zinc-iron supplementation, all failed.

Now I have used this Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract (300mgs each pill) and I have had some success for several weeks.
After O I always had psychological and physical weakness including moderate depression thoughts on day 2 and 3. This depression on day 2-3 is completely gone and also physical weakness is partially improved.

I agree with what was said by other users that you don't have to take too much of it, just the right amount. I use 2 pills just after O, 4 pills (2 pills twice) for 3 days and then just 1 a day until the next O.
This protocol works for me.

What I would like to understand from people with more experience in POIS is
1) What is the possible Mechanism of Action (MOA) of this Aged Garlic ?
2) Is there an explanation as to why I had depression thoughts exactly on day 2-3 after O ? (I mean not before and not after, but just exactly on those days)

[demografx]

Is there an explanation as to why I had depression thoughts exactly on day 2-3 after O ? (I mean not before and not after, but just exactly on those days)

My only thought is that 2-3 days is when many people find that POIS peaks, i.e., when POIS is at its worst.

Rock76, welcome to forum participation!

[Mr Raba]

Interesting, Mr Raba, keep us updated with your results in a few months.
It seems that this garlic product lowers your blood pressure.  Does your pressure usually raise when in a POIS attack ?I ask because I have hypotension when in POIS ( low blood pressure), so a vasodilator-like effect, which sounds like you described, would not work for me.

Well the  amount  of vasodilation is dose dependent for me. Might want to start with very little. I have normal to low BP. 
I would not rule it out for having low BP. The drops allow you to measure very small dosages like a single drop. Go slow. And keep in mind that your sensitivity to dose may vary depending on what day after O. I plan start with only one drop on day 2 after O, and increase  by one drop after 2 hours if I feel fine and pressure is good. Being methodic is key.  I do not put the drops directly in my mouth because sometimes 2 or 3 drops may come out.  I put the drops  in a small amount of water. So if more drops come out than  intended I throw it away, pick a new clean glass and apply the one drop. 

[hopeful]

Hi! I'm so glad that people are getting at least some relief from this method. To me it is still helping a lot  . Just a reminder, it only helps me if taken at least 45 min. before ejac. Good luck!

[Muon]

(Aged) Garlic Extracts:
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/food-beverages/garlic

Picking one article from the link above:
Supplementation with aged garlic extract improves both NK and gammadelta-T cell function and reduces the severity of cold and flu symptoms: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled nutrition intervention

[Muon]

Just a reminder, it only helps me if taken at least 45 min. before ejac. Good luck!

Similar timing as seen in Taurine intake for POIS.