Re: Covid vaccine and POIS

[POIS1982]

Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.

You're right its not worth the risk, I watched an interview with a world renowned vaccine developer and he wouldn't even take any of the four vaccines until more data is published. He also said some vaccines get pulled from the market even after 20-40 years of tests and developing them.

Vaccine safety is always ignored by the vaccine companies and the govt firstly because eradicating a disease like polio is more important to most people than the small percentage of people who get damaged with autism etc, so because of this a lot of the people who do get damaged aren't believed. Secondly no medical doctor is allowed to speak out against vaccines without losing their job and integrity, if you want to sue the vaccine companies for damage you need millions and millions of dollars even to start a case so most people can't even afford to sue.

A lot of vaccines like the hepatitis b vaccine, polio vaccine and a lot more have only been safety tested for 2-5 days after the vaccine and no longer. There's a lot of money at stake with vaccines so these companies really don't care about safety,  past clinical trials are often rushed or manipulated.

After the Dr Wakefield incident; the English doctor who said MMR vaccine may cause gastro issues and autism, he was exiled and had his medical licence revoked and ever since then there has been a stigma worldwide against anyone who's says anything criticising vaccines. If you watch videos of the slimey journalist (Brian deer) who set him up and then videos of Dr Wakefield, you can clearly see who was telling the truth and who wasn't. The journalist Brian deer made up lies just so he could write a big story about it, well now Brian deer has made this story his whole career, writing books about the ordeal. You can watch the documentary The Pathological Optimist to see how Wakefield wasn't guilty.

I had covid and it was hardly even bad, flu and chronic infections were much worse for me, I would have thought having a weakened immune system from POIS would put me at risk but it didn't. I think if you don't have co morbidities which are known risk factors and are young then you shouldn't be scared of it. The media is making everyone hysterical about this virus, mainly those who it wouldn't even be dangerous for.

Political masters (businessmen) at their best mate.

[Nas]

I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked a little bit, because I'm seeing lots of concerns for the vaccines even though there are countless papers published on the safety of vaccines.
Plus, there is no proof, yet, that POIS gives you a compromised immune system.

[Iwillbeatthis]

I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked a little bit, because I'm seeing lots of concerns for the vaccines even though there are countless papers published on the safety of vaccines.
Plus, there is no proof, yet, that POIS gives you a compromised immune system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfnJi7yLKgE&t=2784s Watch this debate this is where i got some of my info from and I think you will change your mind on vaccine safety after watching.

And that was my point it means we probably don't have a compromised immune system as people weren't reacting badly to covid or the covid vaccine in here.

[Hopeoneday]

Actualy, i proved that we are imunocmopromised, from small exemple of
poisers , there are a big percentage of neutropenia.

[Mushnikk]

Mushnikk, please also check the post by Gabin up there ^
Maybe you also have less POIS while your immune system is up for killing that spike protein!?

Haven't had an O yet, but will report back in a couple of weeks after my immune system did the works with the help of the vaccine (it take about a month to be immune).

Any update on the O mushnik?
Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.

I received my second dose of the Biontech vaccine two weeks ago. No side effects. Perhaps a slight reduction in POIS symptoms, maybe just by chance since I only have had an O once. I work in healthcare and would absolutely recommend getting the vaccine. Again, for me as I vulnerable individual with a risk for a long covid trajectory (see the overlap of POIS with CFS and CFS with long-covid) it is well worth the minimal risk. Make decisions for yourself as it your body.

[demografx]

Got my 2nd Pfizer (Covid vaccine)  shot today!


But I still need to be cautious...

[demografx]

Good morning people

Has anyone had the vaccine yet and noticed any changes to their symptoms?

Thanks
Neil x

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Thanks for your post!

[Limejuice]

Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted

[Muon]

Vaccine induced immune activation counteracting POIS induced immune suppression?

Let's close this thread and discuss in https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639 instead:)

Perhaps a good idea to copy everything over to that thread and close this one (admins?). Perhaps Berlin1984 could be made a moderator to organize threads a bit.

[berlin1984]

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

[demografx]

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

Thanks, berlin1984!

[demografx]

Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted

Thanks, Limejuice!

[demografx]

Thanks, Quantum, for merging Covid threads.

[Journey]

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

Thanks, berlin1984!

[demografx]

Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

2 days after Covid Pfizer **2nd** shot:

1. POIS onset
2. Very mild POIS symptom
3. Took HIGH dose of testosterone (8mg)
4. Took 2 Tylenol PM (Tylenol + Benadryl)
5. Sleep induction music
6. Dozed off only a few minutes
7. ALMOST (very mild) ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS!
8. Maybe not as POIS-symptom-lowering as after vaxx #1 - - will monitor tomorrow to see some more comparable symptom timing vs Covid vaxx #1
9. post-edit: it’s one hour after writing the above - - symptoms mild.

[POIS1982]

Agree, but keep a close eye on it, give it another 4 weeks, would be grateful for an update especially after O.
Thanks for the update 

Neil

[Going less Crazy]

I believe pois reduction by having the flu and/or getting the vaccine is because of immune system distraction. Body uses less resources to cause pois and more to fight bacteria/viruses.

I remember once considering voluntarily getting a parasite to distract my immune system and heal ibd (published in some paper somewhere, the immune system becomes distracted and symptoms disappear or lessen)

I won't be getting this vaccine because I am "young and healthy" and believe the last vaccine I got contributed to my development of pois/celiac. I think vaccines can definitely act as a catalyst to develop what you are genetically vulnerable to develop, especially if you are stressed at the time you are given the vaccine. This is from personal experience of developing my first pois symptoms shortly after (the same week) as getting the TB vaccine. I'd encourage people here who are getting the vaccine to make sure you are not stressed at the time you receive it. 

Of course this could all be coincidence with the timing of pois and the TB vaccine I took. Just my experience.

[demografx]

GLC
LTNS

[Going less Crazy]

GLC
LTNS

Crazy to think I found yall on the NS forum 11-12 years ago.

[demografx]

GLC
LTNS

Crazy to think I found yall on the NS forum 11-12 years ago.