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berlin1984

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2021, 03:40:22 PM »
Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. (...)

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I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer.

The good thing is that Pfizer is only the production/distribution/marketing partner.  ;)

The inventor of the "Pfizer" vaccine is actually a small German biotech startup. So you're making small pharma non-US richer  ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioNTech

PS: I'll take any Covid mRNA vaccine (Moderna, CureVac, Pfizer/BioNTech) as soon as I'm eligible for it in Germany. Might happen in the next weeks. If you're above 30, benefits of taking Covid mRNA vaccine outweigh the risks.
PPS: Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone  8)

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2021, 05:46:37 PM »

Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.


Good news!
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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2021, 06:58:44 PM »

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer.


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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2021, 02:12:06 AM »
Actually, a little update: 2 weeks after the first shot of Moderna, I feel bursts of energy, like I used to before my POIS started and like I never did since POIS started. I did skip 2 POIS episodes last week.

It could be that the body is "distracted" producing antibodies, it could be change in season (it got much warmer and dryer where I am now), it could be anything - but I wanted to share this anyways.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2021, 06:17:19 PM »
Anybody got the vaccine during a POIS episode?

I Oed yesterday after drinking and having a 3 month streak :/ and now I have a scheduled vaccination (Moderna) for tomorrow and I asking myself if that is a good idea and I maybe should wait until my POIS subsides, as I have anxiety about any adverse reaction with my POIS-state I am currently in.
I got first shot(moderna) a day after multiple orgasms. I got mild localized pain around whee shot was given for multiple days. Pois hasn't changed.

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I thought that maybe it's a good idea to make another post for the people (who got the vaccine and had or didn't have their symptoms go away )to post their symptoms along the answer to the question if they had their symptoms go away after vaccination or not alongside posting their symptoms, maybe we see a pattern between what kind of symptoms do people experience and the effect of vaccination on those symtoms, considering that POIS it's thought to have possible multiple causes.If in some is autoimmune then the vaccine may help, if it isn't it may not.


First topic relating to POIS and vaccination is https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639 this post just an offshoot off that

 


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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2021, 03:15:09 PM »

I will not take the vaccine...


As you probably know, I’m 100% pro-vaccine.

But, to be fair, there are legitimate concerns. Here is one about musician Eric Clapton’s bad reaction.
https://tinyurl.com/ynzfa5mk

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2021, 05:53:41 PM »
100% pro-vaccine too. It will be sad and tragic when people die from COVID who refused the vaccine.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2021, 06:41:07 PM »
People may not be aware of this: There is a IgG test available for SARS-COV2. You can check if you had it in the past by elevation of IgG. There is not much point in taking the vaccine as long as these memory antibodies are elevated.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2021, 09:50:40 PM »

100% pro-vaccine too. It will be sad and tragic when people die from COVID who refused the vaccine.


Limejuice,

It’s already happened, I’m sure :( :(
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2021, 02:39:10 AM »
People may not be aware of this: There is a IgG test available for SARS-COV2. You can check if you had it in the past by elevation of IgG. There is not much point in taking the vaccine as long as these memory antibodies are elevated.

Just for completeness, not saying the one way or the other is better:
Recommendations in Germany are: If you had past infection, then get a single vaccination shot (instead of double shot) 6 months after the infection. This will improve persistence in the antibodies / immune reaction. Otherwise they might made (assuming you don't get re-infected)

Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.

State from 2 days ago is: 37%  :D It's increasing rapidely.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2021, 07:58:35 AM »
In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

I'm not into the numbers of the UK hurray but maybe you can help me out to get a better understanding of the situation because it's not clear to me.

The question that arises for me is: What is the contribution of the vaccination versus the seasonality vs the measures on the decrease of COVID deaths in the UK curve? Did they prove it was all due to vaccination? Thanks.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2021, 09:26:58 AM »
In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

I'm not into the numbers of the UK hurray but maybe you can help me out to get a better understanding of the situation because it's not clear to me.

The question that arises for me is: What is the contribution of the vaccination versus the seasonality vs the measures on the decrease of COVID deaths in the UK curve? Did they prove it was all due to vaccination? Thanks.

Well, if seasonality was as important a factor as number of vaccines, you would expect all the major Western European countries to show similar numbers of deaths, given their similar climates and seasons. You can see that Spain, Germany, France and Italy all have between 10-20 times as many deaths per capita as the UK.



Here's the number of vaccines for each country:



That's a pretty strong correlation between vaccine numbers and covid deaths.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2021, 11:49:46 AM »
I got a shot of the Sputnik V vaccine. I could have opted for the AstraZeneca, but I had some doubts about that. I just had COVID-19 two months ago so probably I should have waited some more, but I need a certificate of vaccination for my job and I didn't report the fact when I was ill. If I notice anything different I will report about it, but I am rather skeptic as even the infection didn't change anything at least POIS-wise. Although it did some permanent damage on neurons as I still haven't fully recovered my sense of taste and smell and it also doesn't look like they are improving. My sense of smell is moderately reduced and I can only perceive stronger scents. My sense of taste is only weakly reduced and it is not really a problem. Actually this way it is much easier to consume ginger as a benefit. I just have to wonder how common centaury would have tasted with a normal sense. I can only recommend anyone to try this out as it really hits the spot... in the face muscles. :D

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2021, 01:51:24 PM »
Well, if seasonality was as important a factor as number of vaccines, you would expect all the major Western European countries to show similar numbers of deaths, given their similar climates and seasons.

That's what's happening, they all drop towards 0 in 2020. Amount of vaccinations are negligible in 2020: Link1

I think it's impossible to find an answer to my question btw. It seems the vaccines didn't make a dent for Germany, it kept the same number of deaths for the timeline you gave. I think the speed and high number of vaccinations influenced the curve of UK somewhat around Januari but I wonder whether those 40 million extra vaccine doses in the UK counting from march 23 were necessary because the difference is small and that small difference may actually stem from more factors like the one given above.
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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2021, 02:40:12 PM »
Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.

State from 2 days ago is: 37%  :D It's increasing rapidely.

They need a bit more before they can implement a successful police state. They seem to be a bit impatient considering the laws they are trying to implement at this moment.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2021, 03:07:05 PM »
It's actually the contrary.
The more people are vaccinated, the LESS police state there can be.

This is already happening in US with mask mandates being lifted.
So as soon as there is enough herd immunity, you can re-open things.

That's how it will be in Germany (after already seeing it in Israel and UK) and I'm sure there it won't be much different in Netherlands. So I don't think you need to worry.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2021, 03:20:29 PM »
stem from more factors like the one given above.

Yes, it's multi-factorial.
* Lockdowns and how they are easened/tightened (especially kindergarten and schools, home office, ...)
* People not being transmitters because they had it already
* People not being transmitters anymore because they're dead already
* Seasonal influence (People ventilating more, staying less inside, UV light, Vitamin D status, ...)
* Vaccinations
* Countries having different age structure (e.g. Germany has a lot of old people)
* Countries having different living structure (e.g. multi generational homes in Italy but not in Germany)
* etc etc etc

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2021, 06:13:03 AM »
The Uk since November has slowly been switching from PCR testing to Lateral flow tests, the positivity rate in the lateral flow tests is 0.6% while the positivity rate in PCR is 11.7%. Each time Lateral flow testing has been ramped up covid cases in turn have seen a dramatic drop, PCR testing is now becoming less and less frequent and majority is lateral flow now.

Graphs comparing LFD to PCR down bellow.

I'm not saying vaccines haven't had an effect, but this test switch is a major factor in why cases have gone down in the UK but no one is mentioning this as they want to give all the credit to the vaccine.

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Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2021, 04:35:30 PM »
The Uk since November has slowly been switching from PCR testing to Lateral flow tests, the positivity rate in the lateral flow tests is 0.6% while the positivity rate in PCR is 11.7%. Each time Lateral flow testing has been ramped up covid cases in turn have seen a dramatic drop, PCR testing is now becoming less and less frequent and majority is lateral flow now.

Graphs comparing LFD to PCR down bellow.

I'm not saying vaccines haven't had an effect, but this test switch is a major factor in why cases have gone down in the UK but no one is mentioning this as they want to give all the credit to the vaccine.

Care homes, hospitals etc are still doing weekly PCRs (and twice-weekly LFTs). Outside high risk environments, what's the point in giving PCR tests to people who aren't symptomatic? Especially when covid deaths are down 99% from January.