Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

General Category => General POIS Discussions => Topic started by: Vandemolen on December 23, 2020, 07:25:57 PM

Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on December 23, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
We do not know if POIS is caused by an allergic reaction. What I do know is that I am allergic or sensitive for a lot of things. And maybe other POIS patients too. I am pro vaccin. I can not wait to get my ‘normal’ life back. But there are reports that some people who get the Pfizer vaccin had an allergic reaction. In The Netherlands you can not chose which vaccin you will get. The EU ordered vaccins from 6 different companies. The chance that I will get Pfizer is small because I am not in the risk group like doctors and old people.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Investigator on January 01, 2021, 01:28:30 PM
That's an important topic. I am also pro-vaccine and would want to take one, but I share your concerns as well. I asked an immunologist some months ago and she said that if the blood markers show no systemic autoimmune disease (as they do in my case), she would not be worried about me getting "a" vaccine (there were no concrete ones on the table then). I should see this immunologist again now that more is known about the specifics of the different vaccines. But since I am in my 30's and job allows home office, I would be among the last ones in order, so this issue is not pressing for me at the moment.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 05, 2021, 03:25:40 PM
Masks started giving me nose allergies this winter when I have tried to wear, so I will never wear one again and I will just tell people I'm exempt if they ask. I actually went on a flight in September without one and some people were triggered but I just told the flight attendants I was exempt and they were fine with it.

These fabric masks don't do anything anyway compared to medical masks. 30 years of Science before Covid concluded masks don't work. If you have symptoms you are supposed to be isolating, asymptomatic transmission is extremely rare, so it makes no sense why everyone has to wear them now. People have been brainwashed...
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Gabin on January 07, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
Hello guys, some feedback after getting 1st shot of Sputnik V vaccine yesterday in Moscow, Russia: I had chills and mild fever overnight which was alleviated with paracetamol, now some residual fatigue left, doctors warned that it may last a couple of days. They also told that the more acute the body reaction is - the more antibodies are subsequently produced. Second vaccine shot must be done in three weeks.

But what?s curious in relation to POIS and has already been pointed out before by other forum members: prior to vaccination I was still in the middle of POIS cycle (2-3 days after last O, normally lasts 7+ days for me) and after getting the vaccine and feeling first side effects I have simultaneously felt POIS symptoms to diminish (muscle pains and tension decreasing, brain fog subsiding except for the fever effect). So another case confirming that while being ill and having our immune systems boosted helps get rid of POIS. It goes contrary with Waldinger?s auto-immune theory as amplification of immune reaction obviously helps us battling POIS, rather than as it was assumed by Professor that immune system attacks our own body.

Assuming this being not just mere coincidence of our conditions improving following immune system boost it poses a question: is POIS a dormant infection or virus that gets activated following O that normally doesn?t trigger activation of our immune systems?
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mushnikk on January 07, 2021, 08:19:20 AM
Hello guys, some feedback after getting 1st shot of Sputnik V vaccine yesterday in Moscow, Russia: I had chills and mild fever overnight which was alleviated with paracetamol, now some residual fatigue left, doctors warned that it may last a couple of days. They also told that the more acute the body reaction is - the more antibodies are subsequently produced. Second vaccine shot must be done in three weeks.

But what?s curious in relation to POIS and has already been pointed out before by other forum members: prior to vaccination I was still in the middle of POIS cycle (2-3 days after last O, normally lasts 7+ days for me) and after getting the vaccine and feeling first side effects I have simultaneously felt POIS symptoms to diminish (muscle pains and tension decreasing, brain fog subsiding except for the fever effect). So another case confirming that while being ill and having our immune systems boosted helps get rid of POIS. It goes contrary with Waldinger?s auto-immune theory as amplification of immune reaction obviously helps us battling POIS, rather than as it was assumed by Professor that immune system attacks our own body.

Assuming this being not just mere coincidence of our conditions improving following immune system boost it poses a question: is POIS a dormant infection or virus that gets activated following O that normally doesn?t trigger activation of our immune systems?

Nanna1s theory on this forum is just that virus hypothesis. Look it up.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Journey on January 07, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
Yeah that could be possible because when I was sick with the cold I had zero POIS but then the question is what kind of virus or pathogen or whatever it is that causes POIS and through what mechanism it does that, are the POIS symptoms simply the symptoms of that virus being activated or it alters and changes something else temporarily too that causes the POIS symptoms and also in which part of the body it is latent then and how many people have it too but do not have POIS and if so then what is making POISers always have it reactivated unless under immunostimulatory circumstances, is it some allergen or differences in hormones or gut health or something else that makes it so that whenever we the POISers orgasm or have any others symptom triggers that the body can not fully contain it because the thing is in the general I get sick rarely but if this theory is true and that is what causes the POIS then why exactly body has troubles with keeping under control this specific virus pathogen?
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on January 07, 2021, 08:37:40 PM
Hello guys, some feedback after getting 1st shot of Sputnik V vaccine yesterday in Moscow, Russia: I had chills and mild fever overnight which was alleviated with paracetamol, now some residual fatigue left, doctors warned that it may last a couple of days. They also told that the more acute the body reaction is - the more antibodies are subsequently produced. Second vaccine shot must be done in three weeks.

But what?s curious in relation to POIS and has already been pointed out before by other forum members: prior to vaccination I was still in the middle of POIS cycle (2-3 days after last O, normally lasts 7+ days for me) and after getting the vaccine and feeling first side effects I have simultaneously felt POIS symptoms to diminish (muscle pains and tension decreasing, brain fog subsiding except for the fever effect). So another case confirming that while being ill and having our immune systems boosted helps get rid of POIS. It goes contrary with Waldinger?s auto-immune theory as amplification of immune reaction obviously helps us battling POIS, rather than as it was assumed by Professor that immune system attacks our own body.

Assuming this being not just mere coincidence of our conditions improving following immune system boost it poses a question: is POIS a dormant infection or virus that gets activated following O that normally doesn?t trigger activation of our immune systems?
Wow you already had a covid vaccine. I might have to wait until May or June. I think that you feeling beter in POIS after the shot does not contradict the auto immune theory. Because when you get the vaccine your immune system will get triggered and maybe focussed on the vaccine. So the reaction after an O is weaker.

I am also curious if the mRNE technique can be used for a medicine for POIS.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mushnikk on January 08, 2021, 11:57:08 AM
I received the BionTech vaccine a couple of days ago. No negative effects so far. As far as POIS is concernced I would be much more corncerned about suffering long-term damage from Covid (like post-viral fatigue) for a vulnerable population like us than the unlikely side effects from the vaccine.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on January 08, 2021, 03:00:59 PM
Nice, do you work in healthcare or how were you allowed to be vaccinated?

I'm eagerly hopeing I can get the vaccination.

I'm also not interested in adding post viral fatigue (a subset of CFS) to my symptom list.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2020/05/22/covid-19-omf-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-study/

( ^ this is assuming that POIS is not post viral fatigue but maybe some kind of bacterial induced fatigue )
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mushnikk on January 08, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Nice, do you work in healthcare or how were you allowed to be vaccinated?

I'm eagerly hopeing I can get the vaccination.

I'm also not interested in adding post viral fatigue (a subset of CFS) to my symptom list.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2020/05/22/covid-19-omf-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-study/

( ^ this is assuming that POIS is not post viral fatigue but maybe some kind of bacterial induced fatigue )

Yes, I work at a hospital...(that is why I see every day that Covid is not a fraud, mike_sweden.  ::) )
mod note: thank you, Mushnikk!


Oh, you are right, some good may come out of the Covid! Also other applications for mRNA vaccines, perhaps against viruses we might be afflicted with. Which I believe to be an factor in my case at least)
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on January 08, 2021, 03:47:10 PM

Mushnikk, please also check the post by Gabin up there ^
Maybe you also have less POIS while your immune system is up for killing that spike protein!?
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mushnikk on January 08, 2021, 06:25:02 PM

Mushnikk, please also check the post by Gabin up there ^
Maybe you also have less POIS while your immune system is up for killing that spike protein!?

Haven't had an O yet, but will report back in a couple of weeks after my immune system did the works with the help of the vaccine (it take about a month to be immune).
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on January 08, 2021, 07:48:03 PM
I received the BionTech vaccine a couple of days ago. No negative effects so far. As far as POIS is concernced I would be much more corncerned about suffering long-term damage from Covid (like post-viral fatigue) for a vulnerable population like us than the unlikely side effects from the vaccine.
Great that you did not have any negative effects. I think I will get the AstraZeneca vaccine in May. But I asked my doctor if he can put me on the list of people witha medical condition. My IGm is too low and of course POIS.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on January 22, 2021, 05:55:14 AM
I was just now (early) Covid-vaccinated with Pfizer drug/Part 1 of 2
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: POIS1982 on January 28, 2021, 06:10:41 AM
Good morning people

Has anyone had the vaccine yet and noticed any changes to their symptoms?

Thanks
Neil x
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on January 28, 2021, 03:34:57 PM
Let's close this thread and discuss in https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639 instead:)
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 29, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
I read the people in the MCAS fb group's covid vaccine experiences and they all seem to be having extreme reactions to the covid vaccine, in here I haven't seen that so far.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: POIS1982 on January 30, 2021, 06:24:17 AM

Mushnikk, please also check the post by Gabin up there ^
Maybe you also have less POIS while your immune system is up for killing that spike protein!?

Haven't had an O yet, but will report back in a couple of weeks after my immune system did the works with the help of the vaccine (it take about a month to be immune).


Any update on the O mushnik?
Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 30, 2021, 04:53:47 PM
Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.

You're right its not worth the risk, I watched an interview with a world renowned vaccine developer and he wouldn't even take any of the four vaccines until more data is published. He also said some vaccines get pulled from the market even after 20-40 years of tests and developing them.

Vaccine safety is always ignored by the vaccine companies and the govt firstly because eradicating a disease like polio is more important to most people than the small percentage of people who get damaged with autism etc, so because of this a lot of the people who do get damaged aren't believed. Secondly no medical doctor is allowed to speak out against vaccines without losing their job and integrity, if you want to sue the vaccine companies for damage you need millions and millions of dollars even to start a case so most people can't even afford to sue.

A lot of vaccines like the hepatitis b vaccine, polio vaccine and a lot more have only been safety tested for 2-5 days after the vaccine and no longer. There's a lot of money at stake with vaccines so these companies really don't care about safety,  past clinical trials are often rushed or manipulated.

After the Dr Wakefield incident; the English doctor who said MMR vaccine may cause gastro issues and autism, he was exiled and had his medical licence revoked and ever since then there has been a stigma worldwide against anyone who's says anything criticising vaccines. If you watch videos of the slimey journalist (Brian deer) who set him up and then videos of Dr Wakefield, you can clearly see who was telling the truth and who wasn't. The journalist Brian deer made up lies just so he could write a big story about it, well now Brian deer has made this story his whole career, writing books about the ordeal. You can watch the documentary The Pathological Optimist to see how Wakefield wasn't guilty.

I had covid and it was hardly even bad, flu and chronic infections were much worse for me, I would have thought having a weakened immune system from POIS would put me at risk but it didn't. I think if you don't have co morbidities which are known risk factors and are young then you shouldn't be scared of it. The media is making everyone hysterical about this virus, mainly those who it wouldn't even be dangerous for.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on January 30, 2021, 07:22:42 PM
I was just now (early) Covid-vaccinated with Pfizer drug/Part 1 of 2

Only a fairly sore-arm reaction.

For about 2 days.

Looking forward to Round #2 in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: POIS1982 on January 31, 2021, 03:26:01 AM
Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.

You're right its not worth the risk, I watched an interview with a world renowned vaccine developer and he wouldn't even take any of the four vaccines until more data is published. He also said some vaccines get pulled from the market even after 20-40 years of tests and developing them.

Vaccine safety is always ignored by the vaccine companies and the govt firstly because eradicating a disease like polio is more important to most people than the small percentage of people who get damaged with autism etc, so because of this a lot of the people who do get damaged aren't believed. Secondly no medical doctor is allowed to speak out against vaccines without losing their job and integrity, if you want to sue the vaccine companies for damage you need millions and millions of dollars even to start a case so most people can't even afford to sue.

A lot of vaccines like the hepatitis b vaccine, polio vaccine and a lot more have only been safety tested for 2-5 days after the vaccine and no longer. There's a lot of money at stake with vaccines so these companies really don't care about safety,  past clinical trials are often rushed or manipulated.

After the Dr Wakefield incident; the English doctor who said MMR vaccine may cause gastro issues and autism, he was exiled and had his medical licence revoked and ever since then there has been a stigma worldwide against anyone who's says anything criticising vaccines. If you watch videos of the slimey journalist (Brian deer) who set him up and then videos of Dr Wakefield, you can clearly see who was telling the truth and who wasn't. The journalist Brian deer made up lies just so he could write a big story about it, well now Brian deer has made this story his whole career, writing books about the ordeal. You can watch the documentary The Pathological Optimist to see how Wakefield wasn't guilty.

I had covid and it was hardly even bad, flu and chronic infections were much worse for me, I would have thought having a weakened immune system from POIS would put me at risk but it didn't. I think if you don't have co morbidities which are known risk factors and are young then you shouldn't be scared of it. The media is making everyone hysterical about this virus, mainly those who it wouldn't even be dangerous for.


Political masters (businessmen) at their best mate.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Nas on January 31, 2021, 03:57:27 PM
I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked a little bit, because I'm seeing lots of concerns for the vaccines even though there are countless papers published on the safety of vaccines.
Plus, there is no proof, yet, that POIS gives you a compromised immune system.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on January 31, 2021, 07:13:49 PM
I feel like this thread needs to be fact checked a little bit, because I'm seeing lots of concerns for the vaccines even though there are countless papers published on the safety of vaccines.
Plus, there is no proof, yet, that POIS gives you a compromised immune system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfnJi7yLKgE&t=2784s Watch this debate this is where i got some of my info from and I think you will change your mind on vaccine safety after watching.

And that was my point it means we probably don't have a compromised immune system as people weren't reacting badly to covid or the covid vaccine in here.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Hopeoneday on February 01, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
Actualy, i proved that we are imunocmopromised, from small exemple of
poisers , there are a big percentage of neutropenia.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mushnikk on February 08, 2021, 01:25:30 PM

Mushnikk, please also check the post by Gabin up there ^
Maybe you also have less POIS while your immune system is up for killing that spike protein!?

Haven't had an O yet, but will report back in a couple of weeks after my immune system did the works with the help of the vaccine (it take about a month to be immune).


Any update on the O mushnik?
Am a little concerned with this vaccine as there was evidence years back that vaccines caused kids autism and learning difficulties which is a similar response from myself after O which has got worse throughout the years.
To create a vaccine in this small amount of time concerns me.

I received my second dose of the Biontech vaccine two weeks ago. No side effects. Perhaps a slight reduction in POIS symptoms, maybe just by chance since I only have had an O once. I work in healthcare and would absolutely recommend getting the vaccine. Again, for me as I vulnerable individual with a risk for a long covid trajectory (see the overlap of POIS with CFS and CFS with long-covid) it is well worth the minimal risk. Make decisions for yourself as it your body.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 11, 2021, 09:58:41 PM
Got my 2nd Pfizer (Covid vaccine)  shot today!


But I still need to be cautious...
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Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 12, 2021, 12:13:03 AM
Good morning people

Has anyone had the vaccine yet and noticed any changes to their symptoms?

Thanks
Neil x

1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Thanks for your post!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Limejuice on February 12, 2021, 09:20:02 AM
Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on February 12, 2021, 10:04:45 AM
Vaccine induced immune activation counteracting POIS induced immune suppression?

Let's close this thread and discuss in https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639 instead:)

Perhaps a good idea to copy everything over to that thread and close this one (admins?). Perhaps Berlin1984 could be made a moderator to organize threads a bit.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on February 12, 2021, 05:24:43 PM
1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 12, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

Thanks, berlin1984!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 12, 2021, 07:01:33 PM
Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted

Thanks, Limejuice!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 12, 2021, 11:28:09 PM
Thanks, Quantum, for merging Covid threads.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Journey on February 13, 2021, 04:17:27 AM
1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

Thanks, berlin1984!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 13, 2021, 08:10:53 PM
Hopefully getting the vaccine and zero POIS symptoms isn’t a coincidence!

I guess the science would be the spike protein prevents POIS symptoms from occurring.

Keep us posted
1. 2nd Pfizer shot today, feeling flulike

2. Last POIS episode - - after 1st shot - -
ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS! I thought it was the extra TRT, but then I saw your post!........I’m not sure, maybe time will tell.

Note this is probably only while your immune system is elevated, when the vaccination effect has calmed down after some weeks you will probably get POIS again :-(

2 days after Covid Pfizer **2nd** shot:

1. POIS onset
2. Very mild POIS symptom
3. Took HIGH dose of testosterone (8mg)
4. Took 2 Tylenol PM (Tylenol + Benadryl)
5. Sleep induction music
6. Dozed off only a few minutes
7. ALMOST (very mild) ZERO POIS SYMPTOMS!
8. Maybe not as POIS-symptom-lowering as after vaxx #1 - - will monitor tomorrow to see some more comparable symptom timing vs Covid vaxx #1
9. post-edit: it’s one hour after writing the above - - symptoms mild.



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Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: POIS1982 on February 14, 2021, 12:40:27 AM
Agree, but keep a close eye on it, give it another 4 weeks, would be grateful for an update especially after O.
Thanks for the update  :)

Neil
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 15, 2021, 12:00:08 AM
I believe pois reduction by having the flu and/or getting the vaccine is because of immune system distraction. Body uses less resources to cause pois and more to fight bacteria/viruses.

I remember once considering voluntarily getting a parasite to distract my immune system and heal ibd (published in some paper somewhere, the immune system becomes distracted and symptoms disappear or lessen)

I won't be getting this vaccine because I am "young and healthy" and believe the last vaccine I got contributed to my development of pois/celiac. I think vaccines can definitely act as a catalyst to develop what you are genetically vulnerable to develop, especially if you are stressed at the time you are given the vaccine. This is from personal experience of developing my first pois symptoms shortly after (the same week) as getting the TB vaccine. I'd encourage people here who are getting the vaccine to make sure you are not stressed at the time you receive it. 

Of course this could all be coincidence with the timing of pois and the TB vaccine I took. Just my experience.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 15, 2021, 11:16:03 PM
GLC
LTNS
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Going less Crazy on February 15, 2021, 11:28:32 PM
GLC
LTNS

Crazy to think I found yall on the NS forum 11-12 years ago.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on February 16, 2021, 12:37:41 AM
GLC
LTNS

Crazy to think I found yall on the NS forum 11-12 years ago.

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Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on March 03, 2021, 07:57:39 PM
I got the AstraZeneca vaccine. I had a few side effects, but I am ok.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on March 03, 2021, 11:30:16 PM
Vandemolen, congratulations
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: BoneBroth on March 04, 2021, 07:59:23 AM
The vaccine (all vaccines) stimulates the immune system. People in my surroundings report inflammations starts again in parts of the body where they have old problems, toe nail fungus etcetera. This reaction might be good for some but at the same time it has caused deaths on old people whos bodies are to weak to take this immun reaction. Its just temporary. I dont think healty young people have a need for this vaccine. Antivaxxers are actually healthier then vaccinated according to new research and I know families that hasn't vaccinated themself or their kids even once in their life, and they the ones with least sick leave then the other kids in school. I smell a big rat about the billion dollar vaccine industry, which of cource is the same as Big Pharma.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Vandemolen on March 04, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Vandemolen, congratulations
Thanks! I hope that I will also have a bit less POIS because of the vaccine. I know it is just temporary.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on March 15, 2021, 07:59:10 AM
"Long Covid symptoms ease after vaccine, say sufferers "
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-vaccine-may-help-long-covid-sufferers-patient-groups/

"Do Vaccines Help COVID Long-Haulers?
— Anecdotal reports say some get relief from their long COVID symptoms after just one dose"
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91476

Vaccine = triggering Immune Activation?

Immune Activation = Removing transient immune deficiency?

Covid19 vaccine thread
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: maniaqe on March 16, 2021, 08:37:36 AM
Got vaccinated with Astra - Zeneca. Didn't affect POIS symptoms. Nothing has changed.
Title: How are POISers doing with Pfizer vaccine?
Post by: Mr Raba on April 29, 2021, 10:29:05 PM
I have Pfizer shot available to me Saturday. How did it go for you?   Please state if you have only POIS or CFS also. Much appreciated.

On Saturday i will be in day 2 after O   Typically a harder day for me. Rats!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on April 30, 2021, 01:15:00 AM
I merged your post with another thread ^
Please see the messages there :-)

In general, I think it would be interesting if you could try to not have this day as your day 2.
Instead, try to see if you get POIS symptoms if you have sex or masturbate on the day after the vaccine (where fever etc might hit you) and see if you get POIS symptoms then.

Reason is those threads:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=994
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3565
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Quantum on April 30, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Hi everyone,

I had the first dose of the Moderna vaccine 11 days ago.   

In the first 24 to 48 hours, the side effect was pain and stiffness in the shoulder who had the shot.  Not much, just a problem if I wanted to raise my arm above shoulder height.   

But the main side effect started around 24hrs after the shot.  For 4 days, I had significant fatigue and exercise intolerance.  I could feel it when climbing stairs, and I was lacking the energy to do what I needed to do.  It was not as severe as a full-blown POIS attack, back when I had not developed my pre-pack yet.  It was like having a cold, but with no sore throat, no running nose, and no fever - just the toll on energy taken from the ongoing production of antibodies by my immune system.   

In the first 3 days of this fatigue, I was at about 60% of my usual energy. I would have prefered lying on the couch rather than going to the grocery store.   On the 4th day, fatigued lifted a bit, I had 75% of my usual energy.  The day after I was back to normal.
Considering most people have only slight pain in the shoulder and arm, I think I can say that I had more side effects than average.  No surprise, I guess, if we consider that the immune system does not seem to have optimal functioning.




Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Mr Raba on April 30, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
I merged your post with another thread ^
Please see the messages there :-)

In general, I think it would be interesting if you could try to not have this day as your day 2.
Instead, try to see if you get POIS symptoms if you have sex or masturbate on the day after the vaccine (where fever etc might hit you) and see if you get POIS symptoms then.

Reason is those threads:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=994
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3565


 Thanks Berlin.   I appreciate the intention on the merge. And the links. 

I was hoping to hear from people who have both CFS and POIS since that is my cohort It is hard to find it this deep in a thread. Maybe I should repost as its own thread so it prompts replies but being more specific. 

Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Investigator on May 01, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
I got the first Moderna dose 9 days ago. Besides very minor and expected pain in the arm that lasted for just a day and then completely disappeared the day after, like Quantum, I also got some fatigue that lasted for several days. I still have the fatigue but can't distinguish it now from the usual POIS fatigue (I've had two orgasms since I got the shot).

So no, the Moderna vaccine didn't all of a sudden magically cure my POIS. 
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: POISonIrvin on May 10, 2021, 07:29:19 AM
Anybody got the vaccine during a POIS episode?

I Oed yesterday after drinking and having a 3 month streak :/ and now I have a scheduled vaccination (Moderna) for tomorrow and I asking myself if that is a good idea and I maybe should wait until my POIS subsides, as I have anxiety about any adverse reaction with my POIS-state I am currently in.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 10, 2021, 09:09:31 AM
I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 10, 2021, 10:54:29 AM
I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug my younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: hurray on May 10, 2021, 06:12:43 PM
I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug my younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)

Congratulations Demo! I've also had 2 shots of Pfizer. Great that you can enjoy some time with your family now.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: hurray on May 10, 2021, 06:35:51 PM
I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

I understand your reasoning, but for me getting the vaccination is about helping the most vulnerable people in society.

In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

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The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$).

The EU actually ordered 900 million doses of Pfizer. Since Pfizer requires 2 doses for each person, that's enough for 450 million people - which coincidentally is the same as the population of the EU. They have secured an option for another 900 million doses, which would be administered a year later.

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer. They have seen how effective the vaccination programmes in the UK and Israel have been, and they want to protect their own citizens. The numbers speak for themselves:

(https://i.ibb.co/cTr67fR/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bdKs8wY)



Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Quantum on May 10, 2021, 06:41:33 PM
I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.
Yes the vaccine is authorized by an emergency procedure.  Everyone has to decide for themselves if they want to take it or not.
About ivermectin, I am not sure that there is any solid evidence for it against COVID-19, since Merck itself, the company that sells ivermectin, has stated that it is not efficient in this indication ( https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ (https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/) ).  Merck has no vaccine to offer, so their statement about ivermectin could hardly be made to clear the way for vaccines.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 10, 2021, 07:20:17 PM
I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

I understand your reasoning, but for me getting the vaccination is about helping the most vulnerable people in society.

In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

[emphasis mine - - Demo]

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The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$).

The EU actually ordered 900 million doses of Pfizer. Since Pfizer requires 2 doses for each person, that's enough for 450 million people - which coincidentally is the same as the population of the EU. They have secured an option for another 900 million doses, which would be administered a year later.

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer. They have seen how effective the vaccination programmes in the UK and Israel have been, and they want to protect their own citizens. The numbers speak for themselves:

(https://i.ibb.co/cTr67fR/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bdKs8wY)

Thanks, hurray! Worth repeating here :)
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 10, 2021, 07:21:54 PM
I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug our younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)

Congratulations Demo! I've also had 2 shots of Pfizer. Great that you can enjoy some time with your family now.

Thanks again, hurray!

Welcome to Pfizer’s Double Vaxx Group!
(Let me know if you grow a 3rd ear.
I’ll do the same! ;D )
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 11, 2021, 02:47:59 PM



In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

[emphasis mine - - Demo]

Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on May 11, 2021, 03:40:22 PM
Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. (...)

(...)
I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer.

The good thing is that Pfizer is only the production/distribution/marketing partner.  ;)

The inventor of the "Pfizer" vaccine is actually a small German biotech startup. So you're making small pharma non-US richer  ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioNTech

PS: I'll take any Covid mRNA vaccine (Moderna, CureVac, Pfizer/BioNTech) as soon as I'm eligible for it in Germany. Might happen in the next weeks. If you're above 30, benefits of taking Covid mRNA vaccine outweigh the risks.
PPS: Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone  8)
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 11, 2021, 05:46:37 PM

Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.


Good news!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 11, 2021, 06:58:44 PM

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer.


;D
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Investigator on May 12, 2021, 02:12:06 AM
Actually, a little update: 2 weeks after the first shot of Moderna, I feel bursts of energy, like I used to before my POIS started and like I never did since POIS started. I did skip 2 POIS episodes last week.

It could be that the body is "distracted" producing antibodies, it could be change in season (it got much warmer and dryer where I am now), it could be anything - but I wanted to share this anyways.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: certainlypois2 on May 12, 2021, 06:17:19 PM
Anybody got the vaccine during a POIS episode?

I Oed yesterday after drinking and having a 3 month streak :/ and now I have a scheduled vaccination (Moderna) for tomorrow and I asking myself if that is a good idea and I maybe should wait until my POIS subsides, as I have anxiety about any adverse reaction with my POIS-state I am currently in.
I got first shot(moderna) a day after multiple orgasms. I got mild localized pain around whee shot was given for multiple days. Pois hasn't changed.
Title: Symptoms GONE or NOT after VACCINE(alongside the symptoms you experience)
Post by: Drew1312 on May 14, 2021, 03:26:02 AM
I thought that maybe it's a good idea to make another post for the people (who got the vaccine and had or didn't have their symptoms go away )to post their symptoms along the answer to the question if they had their symptoms go away after vaccination or not alongside posting their symptoms, maybe we see a pattern between what kind of symptoms do people experience and the effect of vaccination on those symtoms, considering that POIS it's thought to have possible multiple causes.If in some is autoimmune then the vaccine may help, if it isn't it may not.


First topic relating to POIS and vaccination is https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639 this post just an offshoot off that

 

Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 17, 2021, 03:15:09 PM

I will not take the vaccine...


As you probably know, I’m 100% pro-vaccine.

But, to be fair, there are legitimate concerns. Here is one about musician Eric Clapton’s bad reaction.
https://tinyurl.com/ynzfa5mk

Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Limejuice on May 17, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
100% pro-vaccine too. It will be sad and tragic when people die from COVID who refused the vaccine.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 17, 2021, 06:41:07 PM
People may not be aware of this: There is a IgG test available for SARS-COV2. You can check if you had it in the past by elevation of IgG. There is not much point in taking the vaccine as long as these memory antibodies are elevated.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 17, 2021, 09:50:40 PM

100% pro-vaccine too. It will be sad and tragic when people die from COVID who refused the vaccine.


Limejuice,

It’s already happened, I’m sure :( :(
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on May 18, 2021, 02:39:10 AM
People may not be aware of this: There is a IgG test available for SARS-COV2. You can check if you had it in the past by elevation of IgG. There is not much point in taking the vaccine as long as these memory antibodies are elevated.

Just for completeness, not saying the one way or the other is better:
Recommendations in Germany are: If you had past infection, then get a single vaccination shot (instead of double shot) 6 months after the infection. This will improve persistence in the antibodies / immune reaction. Otherwise they might made (assuming you don't get re-infected)

Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.

State from 2 days ago is: 37%  :D It's increasing rapidely.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 18, 2021, 07:58:35 AM
In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

I'm not into the numbers of the UK hurray but maybe you can help me out to get a better understanding of the situation because it's not clear to me.

The question that arises for me is: What is the contribution of the vaccination versus the seasonality vs the measures on the decrease of COVID deaths in the UK curve? Did they prove it was all due to vaccination? Thanks.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: hurray on May 18, 2021, 09:26:58 AM
In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

I'm not into the numbers of the UK hurray but maybe you can help me out to get a better understanding of the situation because it's not clear to me.

The question that arises for me is: What is the contribution of the vaccination versus the seasonality vs the measures on the decrease of COVID deaths in the UK curve? Did they prove it was all due to vaccination? Thanks.

Well, if seasonality was as important a factor as number of vaccines, you would expect all the major Western European countries to show similar numbers of deaths, given their similar climates and seasons. You can see that Spain, Germany, France and Italy all have between 10-20 times as many deaths per capita as the UK.

(https://i.ibb.co/fxYZpJK/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HHDRzZM)

Here's the number of vaccines for each country:

(https://i.ibb.co/KDmkSgD/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCtGz4C)

That's a pretty strong correlation between vaccine numbers and covid deaths.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Progecitor on May 18, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
I got a shot of the Sputnik V vaccine. I could have opted for the AstraZeneca, but I had some doubts about that. I just had COVID-19 two months ago so probably I should have waited some more, but I need a certificate of vaccination for my job and I didn't report the fact when I was ill. If I notice anything different I will report about it, but I am rather skeptic as even the infection didn't change anything at least POIS-wise. Although it did some permanent damage on neurons as I still haven't fully recovered my sense of taste and smell and it also doesn't look like they are improving. My sense of smell is moderately reduced and I can only perceive stronger scents. My sense of taste is only weakly reduced and it is not really a problem. Actually this way it is much easier to consume ginger as a benefit. I just have to wonder how common centaury would have tasted with a normal sense. I can only recommend anyone to try this out as it really hits the spot... in the face muscles. :D
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 18, 2021, 01:51:24 PM
Well, if seasonality was as important a factor as number of vaccines, you would expect all the major Western European countries to show similar numbers of deaths, given their similar climates and seasons.

That's what's happening, they all drop towards 0 in 2020. Amount of vaccinations are negligible in 2020: Link1 (https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ESP~ITA~FRA)

I think it's impossible to find an answer to my question btw. It seems the vaccines didn't make a dent for Germany, it kept the same number of deaths for the timeline you gave. I think the speed and high number of vaccinations influenced the curve of UK somewhat around Januari but I wonder whether those 40 million extra vaccine doses in the UK counting from march 23 were necessary because the difference is small and that small difference may actually stem from more factors like the one given above.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 18, 2021, 02:40:12 PM
Germany today reached the 33.3% of population vaccination first-dose milestone.

State from 2 days ago is: 37%  :D It's increasing rapidely.

They need a bit more before they can implement a successful police state. They seem to be a bit impatient considering the laws they are trying to implement at this moment.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on May 18, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
It's actually the contrary.
The more people are vaccinated, the LESS police state there can be.

This is already happening in US with mask mandates being lifted.
So as soon as there is enough herd immunity, you can re-open things.

That's how it will be in Germany (after already seeing it in Israel and UK) and I'm sure there it won't be much different in Netherlands. So I don't think you need to worry.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on May 18, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
stem from more factors like the one given above.

Yes, it's multi-factorial.
* Lockdowns and how they are easened/tightened (especially kindergarten and schools, home office, ...)
* People not being transmitters because they had it already
* People not being transmitters anymore because they're dead already
* Seasonal influence (People ventilating more, staying less inside, UV light, Vitamin D status, ...)
* Vaccinations
* Countries having different age structure (e.g. Germany has a lot of old people)
* Countries having different living structure (e.g. multi generational homes in Italy but not in Germany)
* etc etc etc
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Iwillbeatthis on May 19, 2021, 06:13:03 AM
The Uk since November has slowly been switching from PCR testing to Lateral flow tests, the positivity rate in the lateral flow tests is 0.6% while the positivity rate in PCR is 11.7%. Each time Lateral flow testing has been ramped up covid cases in turn have seen a dramatic drop, PCR testing is now becoming less and less frequent and majority is lateral flow now.

Graphs comparing LFD to PCR down bellow.

I'm not saying vaccines haven't had an effect, but this test switch is a major factor in why cases have gone down in the UK but no one is mentioning this as they want to give all the credit to the vaccine.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: hurray on May 19, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
The Uk since November has slowly been switching from PCR testing to Lateral flow tests, the positivity rate in the lateral flow tests is 0.6% while the positivity rate in PCR is 11.7%. Each time Lateral flow testing has been ramped up covid cases in turn have seen a dramatic drop, PCR testing is now becoming less and less frequent and majority is lateral flow now.

Graphs comparing LFD to PCR down bellow.

I'm not saying vaccines haven't had an effect, but this test switch is a major factor in why cases have gone down in the UK but no one is mentioning this as they want to give all the credit to the vaccine.

Care homes, hospitals etc are still doing weekly PCRs (and twice-weekly LFTs). Outside high risk environments, what's the point in giving PCR tests to people who aren't symptomatic? Especially when covid deaths are down 99% from January.

Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: hurray on May 19, 2021, 04:57:17 PM
Well, if seasonality was as important a factor as number of vaccines, you would expect all the major Western European countries to show similar numbers of deaths, given their similar climates and seasons.

That's what's happening, they all drop towards 0 in 2020. Amount of vaccinations are negligible in 2020: Link1 (https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ESP~ITA~FRA)

I think it's impossible to find an answer to my question btw. It seems the vaccines didn't make a dent for Germany, it kept the same number of deaths for the timeline you gave. I think the speed and high number of vaccinations influenced the curve of UK somewhat around Januari but I wonder whether those 40 million extra vaccine doses in the UK counting from march 23 were necessary because the difference is small and that small difference may actually stem from more factors like the one given above.

You're right, your question can't be definitively answered, and there are many different factors involved.

One of the main issues as time goes on will be "vaccine hesitancy". The UK has gone from easily the worst daily death rate in Western Europe to easily the best. One reason is that about 9 out of 10 people in the UK are willing to get vaccinated, including the vast majority of elderly people. Other European countries are not doing so well - France was down at 50%, and Germany at about 70%.

(https://i.ibb.co/cvTDDnW/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ct0hhGj)

I'm willing to predict that countries that can't vaccinate enough of their population will struggle with covid for a long, long time.

Picture taken from an interesting Reuters article - lots of graphs, stats and quotes:

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/EU-VACCINES/qmypmrelyvr/
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 19, 2021, 05:28:21 PM

I'm willing to predict that countries that can't vaccinate enough of their population will struggle with covid for a long, long time.


My crystal ball shows the same thing ;D
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 19, 2021, 07:35:35 PM
It's actually the contrary.
The more people are vaccinated, the LESS police state there can be.
Israel said they reached herd immunity but implemented a vaccination passport which is needed to access certain places including additional security measures. This is a step up to a digital social credit system. I think you are walking into an Orwellian trap.

This is already happening in US with mask mandates being lifted.
So as soon as there is enough herd immunity, you can re-open things.
The red states in the south that opened up didn't reach sufficient vaccination percentages that led to herd immunity. They know they have been fooled because the death curves from their states are similar to full lockdown states. Florida filed a lawsuit against the CDC.

That's how it will be in Germany (after already seeing it in Israel and UK) and I'm sure there it won't be much different in Netherlands. So I don't think you need to worry
I've never seen so much censorship and lies in The Netherlands as last year. Critics on COVID restrictions being shut down. Certain medical tests and medication banned for use like the triple test (influenza A, influenza B, COVID-19). Infection count manipulations by running PCR test with 44 cycles and the list goes on.

The globalists are playing it smart I give em that. The games they are playing are incomprehensible to most people. Mainstream media is pure cancer.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Aladin on May 22, 2021, 04:41:11 AM
Can this remain a POIS forum? There are plenty of forums online for covid discussions...
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Muon on May 22, 2021, 05:12:48 AM
Can this remain a POIS forum? There are plenty of forums online for covid discussions...

Fine, I will leave it at that. Don't tell me later that I didn't warn you guys.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Unvers on May 23, 2021, 10:14:13 PM
So the people with the POIS who vaccinated had some problems or not? From the few posts I have read it seems that it has improved.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Drew1312 on May 26, 2021, 03:08:08 PM
So the people with the POIS who vaccinated had some problems or not? From the few posts I have read it seems that it has improved.
Being  absurd here, let s say they die  cause of vaccine, if they do, we wouldn t know
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Progecitor on May 27, 2021, 12:33:40 AM
So the people with the POIS who vaccinated had some problems or not? From the few posts I have read it seems that it has improved.
Being  absurd here, let s say they die  cause of vaccine, if they do, we wouldn t know

I certainly didn't die, although I am probably not the best reference as I also got through covid-19 itself relatively easily. However it will take another month before I can say anything for certain.
Another problem is that my mother just had to bake a delicious cake that massively induces my POIS right on the day of the vaccination. I also took a lot of efficient POIS medication, as I had exhaustive work on the following days. The next day I developed a headache with some feverishness during work, but this happens from time to time with POIS as well. A good sleep can always resolve this issue and it did so this time too.
I think there may be a possibility that I have actually spoiled the effects of the vaccine with the POIS medication I use, so next time (second shot) I will try to avoid taking them for a few days. However nowadays I do a lot of work and I can't even go on sickness leave, so I can't guarantee I will be able to do so.
I haven't noticed any change in POIS so far, although I had an O a few days ago with only weak symptoms, but I also tried some new supplement and it is not clear which of them was responsible.
There was a time when I was somewhat against the vaccine, but now I think it is still better to take it than to get through covid-19 without it. Even though the infection was not very severe for me, I still partially lost my sense of taste and smell and it doesn't look like it will recover. This way I may not even experience the true pleasure of a woman anymore. :D
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Aladin on May 28, 2021, 03:11:10 PM
I got my Astra Zeneca, got sick after 6 hours and after another 6 hours all back to normal. 
I don't believe POIS-ers are more at risk then the general population.
Glad i did it !
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on May 29, 2021, 12:11:00 AM
I got my Astra Zeneca, got sick after 6 hours and after another 6 hours all back to normal. 
I don't believe POIS-ers are more at risk then the general population.
Glad i did it !

Good for you!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Disaster on June 06, 2021, 08:51:59 PM
That's an important topic. I am also pro-vaccine and would want to take one, but I share your concerns as well. I asked an immunologist some months ago and she said that if the blood markers show no systemic autoimmune disease (as they do in my case), she would not be worried about me getting "a" vaccine (there were no concrete ones on the table then). I should see this immunologist again now that more is known about the specifics of the different vaccines. But since I am in my 30's and job allows home office, I would be among the last ones in order, so this issue is not pressing for me at the moment.

Unfortunately a lot of doctors, even rheumatologist, are very ignorant about autoimmune testing. About 50% of all autoimmune disease patients have 0 positive antibodies including ANA or specific ones to their disease. I am living proof of that. It?s called being seronegative. But we know I and others that are diagnosed have it because they do specific tests in each disease for seronegative. In my disease they do a special nuclear scan and biopsy for the diagnosis. Each disease has it?s own seronegative criteria, but your doctor is 100% wrong. I wish doctors that say false information like that to patients would suffer a suspension in their license, they should know better.

As regard to Covid almost all Autoimmune people are being advised to get the vaccine because the infection could have worse consequences then triggering a flare. Usually people are having more reaction on the 2nd dose. The 1st dose could build enough antibodies for up to 80% protection some studies have shown.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 07, 2021, 08:59:57 PM
After my 2nd Pfizer COVID shot, I had POIS (unrelated to the vaccine - - just the “normal” POIS-as-usual reaction) - - a few days later.

Is it possible that having had my POIS episode so close to vaccination - - could have hurt my COVID immunity somewhat?

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Disaster on June 08, 2021, 05:11:12 AM
After my 2nd Pfizer COVID shot, I had POIS (unrelated to the vaccine - - just the “normal” POIS-as-usual reaction) - - a few days later.

Is it possible that having had my POIS episode so close to vaccination - - could have hurt my COVID immunity somewhat?

Any thoughts?

You could get the Spike Protein teat that will tell you how many antibodies the vaccine created for you. I have Common Variable Immune Deficiency, specifically Low IgG Sublasses 1 and 3. A lot of people have it that do not know it because it is not a routine test and anyway doctors tend to not know much about it except for certain Allergy/Immunologist. It can cause the person not to make a strong vaccine antibody response.  Everyones immune system is unique. That?s why when people get the flu shot they can still get the flu 1 month later even the strain they got the shot for because their antibodies didn?t last. The Spike Protein antibody test is a simple blood test and worth getting. People who take certain immunosuppressives, ex transplant patients and chemo patients, ect... are finding they need 3 shots to make antibodies or else they still might not make antibodies. In those cases certain other treatments might help but that is too complicated to get into here.. Hope that answers your question
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 08, 2021, 10:06:10 AM
Thank you, Disaster.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 08, 2021, 03:00:27 PM

You could get the Spike Protein test that will tell you how many antibodies the vaccine created for you.


From my primary care physician:

Hi Demo,
 
Hope you are doing well.
 
In general, I have not been ordering Spike protein antibody tests for my patients,
we [a huge University medical system - Demo] do not offer that specific test and there are no clear guidelines on receiving a 2nd round of Covid 19 vaccination if a spike protein test were negative.
 
That being said, I had some colleagues who found out that Labcorp is offering spike protein testing to patients, I believe there might be a $20 fee for having it done, and you would need to go to a local labcorp location to have the blood draw done. More info on the link below if you are interested.
 
https://patient.labcorp.com/covid-19-antibody-test
 
Best,
[my M.D.]

Disaster -
I might give Labcorp a shot.
Thanks again.
Demo
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 10, 2021, 06:02:29 PM

You could get the Spike Protein test that will tell you how many antibodies the vaccine created for you.


I took the test @ Labcorp today! Results in
3-5 days. The nurse said it’s *possible* (not guaranteed…AND with further research) that I could eventually find out if my POIS episode after vaccination affected my immunity!

Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 10, 2021, 06:46:52 PM

You could get the Spike Protein test that will tell you how many antibodies the vaccine created for you.


I took the test @ Labcorp today! Results in
3-5 days. The nurse said it’s *possible* (not guaranteed…AND with further research) that I could eventually find out if my POIS episode after vaccination affected my immunity!

For anyone who wants to know more:
From Labcorp:

Test Details

Use
Qualitative and semi-quantitative detection of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein receptor binding domain (RBD). Aid in identifying individuals with an adaptive immune response to SARS-CoV-2, indicating recent or prior infection. At this time it is unknown how long antibodies persist following infection and if the presence of antibodies confers protective immunity. The performance of this test has not been established in individuals that have received a COVID-19 vaccine. The clinical significance of a positive or negative antibody result following COVID-19 vaccination has not been established and the result from this test should not be interpreted as an indication or degree of protection from infection after vaccination.

Limitations
This test should not be used to diagnose or exclude acute SARS-CoV-2 infection. The results should always be assessed in conjunction with patient's medical history, clinical presentation, and other findings. A negative test result does not rule out the possibility of an infection with SARS-CoV-2. Serum or plasma samples from the very early (pre-seroconversion) phase can yield negative findings. Therefore, this test cannot be used to diagnose an acutei nfection. It has also been reported that certain patients with confirmed infection do not develop SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. Furthermore, waning of antibody titers has been reported in some individuals within a range of months after infection, a feature which has also been reported for other coronaviruses.

This test has not been FDA cleared or approved. This test has been authorized by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). This test is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances existj ustifying the authorization of emergency use of in vitro diagnostics for detection and/or diagnosis of COVID-19 under Section 564(b)(1) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1), unless the authorization is terminated or revoked sooner. This test has been authorized only for detecting the presence of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, not for any other viruses or pathogens.

Methodology
Electrochemiluminescence Immunoassay (ECLIA)

Additional Information
FDA-authorized Fact sheets for patients and providers canbe accessed at the following link: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations#covid19ivd
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: peiguy on June 14, 2021, 12:52:53 PM
I am pro-vaccine.

I had my first short of Astrozeneca in mid April.  I will be getting a second shot in mid July, 12 weeks.  It will be Moderna this time. 

13 hours after my shot I had my AZ shot side effects, fever, chills, fatigue.  That lifted 36 hours later.

Whenever I masturbate to orgasm [longtime sexless marriage] I have waves of nausea, weakness, dizziness etc. post ejaculation.

I have had this for many years, but its got worse after the AZ shot.  It would also be worse in the past after a bad cold, the flu etc.

Saw my family doctor, she did a DRE and put me back on Rapaflo.  I had been on Rapaflo in the past, main side effect is that I am unable to ejaculate.

Now when I masturbate I have a muted dry orgasm and no POIS symptoms.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 14, 2021, 07:13:33 PM

I am pro-vaccine.


Welcome to the Club! :)

(But not everyone here is “pro” :) )
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 17, 2021, 02:48:30 AM
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Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Clues on June 17, 2021, 02:58:44 AM
This is a POIS forum. I suggest we keep the discussion focused on aspects of Covid-19 that pertain to POIS.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 17, 2021, 03:02:25 AM
True, Clues, but when someone brings up a current
life or death issue, including vaccination (or suicide as another example),  I feel strongly about responding.

Once.

So, you’re right, let’s move on!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 17, 2021, 03:10:58 AM

I can give people a short summary of what is going on for those who are interested but not with the aim to convince people.

(https://images.theconversation.com/files/257151/original/file-20190205-86224-8g8wxm.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1200&h=1200.0&fit=crop)

Tell me which pill you want to take.

I agree with Clues. If this is not POIS-related, please do not re-post in original sizing.

We already have one negative & one positive commentary today related to POIS-unrelated-vaccination.
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on June 17, 2021, 09:46:58 AM
Guys, please let's not get political or introduce conspiracy theories here.

When I travelled to east asia some years ago, I got all kind of vaccines.
Also got the flu shot a few times, even though it's recommended for 60+ only in Germany.
I'm quite sure my POIS is caused by something else than vaccines. (I have it since my 20ies at least).

It's fine if YOU personally think YOU should not get the vaccine shot, but it's pointless to waste energy here on this...

Let's focus on POIS and vaccinations, not on individual opinions on vaccinations in general without relation to POIS (or CFS or whatever).
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: demografx on June 17, 2021, 07:29:06 PM

Guys, please let's not get political or introduce conspiracy theories here.


Thank you, Berlin!
Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Progecitor on June 19, 2021, 02:11:50 AM
So I got the second vaccine about two weeks ago, but I don't think it changed anything about my POIS. I still have symptoms all the time and they don't seem to be weaker or stronger either.
I hadn't taken any known POIS enhancing or weakening food or supplement on the day of the vaccination and till the evening of next day. Interestingly POIS was quite active when I was inoculated, but it got weaker as the hours passed. In the next morning I was feeling relatively well and the burning pain got reduced considerably. At around noon I had a few hours of feverish-like headache which I had after the first vaccination, but this time it was milder and took less time to disappear. By evening I had somewhat more symptoms, so I began to take supplements again.
Another thing that may be of note that after the first vaccine I developed a red rash a few centimeters above the penis. When touched it was a little painful and inflamed, swollen lymph nodules could be felt. It developed sometime between the first and second week, but it was not very noticeable, so I am not really sure. The health care worker who vaccinated me the second time said that side-effects like this are rather common, but disappear with time. She couldn't have been more right as the rash almost instantly disappeared after the second shot, even though it was present for at least a week before that.
So I don't think the COVID-19 vaccine can serve as cure for my type of POIS and it would be a rather inconvenient treatment if I had to shoot myself with it on a daily basis just to provide some transient relief.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Quantum on June 19, 2021, 06:09:02 PM
Important notice to all members :
This thread, "Covid vaccine and POIS", is about any change or lack of any change to POIS severity or duration, that a member has noticed following a Covid vaccine shot, making it better, or making it worst, or no change.  This is based on the fact that some hypotheses are immune-based, and that some members already have noticed some change in their POIS during immune system activity, like during the flu.

This thread, or any other thread on POISCenter, is NOT an appropriate place for expressing your opinion about the legitimacy or not of the COVID vaccines.  There are zillions of other forums and websites to express your opinion on this, but POISCenter is not one of these.  Any member who will persist in this direction may subsequently see all of his posts having to be approved by the moderators' team before reaching the forum.
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Title: Re: Covid vaccin and POIS
Post by: Quantum on June 19, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
So I got the second vaccine about two weeks ago, but I don't think it changed anything about my POIS. I still have symptoms all the time and they don't seem to be weaker or stronger either.
I hadn't taken any known POIS enhancing or weakening food or supplement on the day of the vaccination and till the evening of next day. Interestingly POIS was quite active when I was inoculated, but it got weaker as the hours passed. In the next morning I was feeling relatively well and the burning pain got reduced considerably. At around noon I had a few hours of feverish-like headache which I had after the first vaccination, but this time it was milder and took less time to disappear. By evening I had somewhat more symptoms, so I began to take supplements again.
Another thing that may be of note that after the first vaccine I developed a red rash a few centimeters above the penis. When touched it was a little painful and inflamed, swollen lymph nodules could be felt. It developed sometime between the first and second week, but it was not very noticeable, so I am not really sure. The health care worker who vaccinated me the second time said that side-effects like this are rather common, but disappear with time. She couldn't have been more right as the rash almost instantly disappeared after the second shot, even though it was present for at least a week before that.
So I don't think the COVID-19 vaccine can serve as cure for my type of POIS and it would be a rather inconvenient treatment if I had to shoot myself with it on a daily basis just to provide some transient relief.
Thanks Progecitor,
Your post is a perfect example of what this thread is intended for!
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Clues on June 20, 2021, 01:26:14 PM
Got my first dose of Moderna yesterday! :)

It's been about 27 hours since I got the shot. So far I'm feeling no vaccine symptoms whatsoever, apart from a slightly sore and stiff left shoulder.

I also happen to be on day 3 after orgasm (by masturbation), and my POIS symptoms are very mild. However, this may have nothing at all to do with the vaccine, as I have been experiencing a slow and steady improvement in symptoms lately (https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3857).
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on June 25, 2021, 12:00:46 PM
I made the mistake of having sex yesterday evening and today at noon getting my covid vaccine :-)

My POIS itself (from sex only, not from masturbation) is quite well cured by my post-pack, except for the next day evening fatigue.

So I feel very fatigued now (evening) because I have the effect from vaccine and POIS. Otherwise only arm hurts and I feel a bit detached from reality, maybe slightly nauseos.

(First dose, BioNTech vaccine (aka Pfizer vaccine aka BNT162b2 aka Comirnaty))
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Clues on June 25, 2021, 02:43:30 PM
Update on Moderna dose 1:

I felt no vaccine-specific symptoms whatsoever. I got the shot on day 3 after orgasm, and my POIS symptom progression, which usually lasts about a week, was quite normal overall.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: berlin1984 on June 30, 2021, 02:55:17 PM
So I feel very fatigued now (evening) because I have the effect from vaccine and POIS. Otherwise only arm hurts and I feel a bit detached from reality, maybe slightly nauseos.

In addition to the sex on day before, I had an orgasm through masturbation in evening after covid vaccine.
On the next day, I woke up with more body pain than usual.
Could be the follow up orgasm or could be the vaccine that lead to more pain or something else.
Hard to say.

Other than that, I don't think the vaccine had a positive or negative outcome on POIS.

In general, I hope my body can handle the second dose as good as it did the first one.
I just read that Germany overtook the US in first doses per capita :-) 54.5% of population now.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Kit on August 10, 2021, 05:00:27 AM
I’ve had some POIS episodes within the week of getting my first Pfizer vaccine in June, and in that same week, I’ve noticed worsening of my fatigue after eating and irritation. Anyone else have this issue? I don’t believe that my POIS alone made those symptoms worse. I did wait for my POIS symptoms to settle down before I got the shot. I got the second shot of the Pfizer vaccine to not risk getting something worse from COVID. I woke up an hour after bedtime today due to a jittery feeling of my torso (a new symptom) and all I can think about is how that shot or other prescription medicine/treatments (after the shot) could have contributed to worsening of my symptoms. It’s just not right when I’m trying to improve my health and the first thing I think about is how the ‘medicine’ or a ‘vaccine’ offered to me by my ‘health care’ is not helping me but making me worse. I don’t think about getting worse after taking something on purpose. I’m not trying to come off as anti-medicine or anything, I think it is important to seek medical help and follow-ups from a doctor or other healthcare professional. But as time goes by, I start to doubt most of the healthcare industry, at least in my area, little by little. I’m glad I shared this because I don’t think I should be quiet about it.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Simon66 on August 28, 2021, 10:00:42 PM
Since I had the 1st dose of Pfizer, my symptoms have been changing.

3 months later, fatigue is worse and now my arms feel heavy and weak. It varies in intensity but it's worrying me.

I'm not having the second dose.

Now that I think back to the last vaccine I took. I had a flu vaccine in 2013 and had problems with strange muscle tears for years after so it might be that all vaccines affect me badly regardless of the technology.
Title: Re: Covid vaccine and POIS
Post by: Kit on August 28, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
@Simon66 Sorry to hear.