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Without pois, how is your intellect?

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Moses

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Intelligence
« on: June 17, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »
Not sure why this would contribute to pois, but based on the discussions on this forum, I feel people with pois have above intelligence.

Nas

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2019, 09:34:06 AM »
Not sure why this would contribute to pois, but based on the discussions on this forum, I feel people with pois have above intelligence.
Nah I'm dumb as bricks bruh.

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2019, 12:13:10 PM »
Not true, Nas, you’re off the charts!
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Muon

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2019, 06:34:20 AM »
Not sure why this would contribute to pois, but based on the discussions on this forum, I feel people with pois have above intelligence.
This is my observation as well.

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 01:15:08 AM »
I think this is very difficult to gauge, given many users here appear to be speaking English as a second language and people tend to come here more often when they're suffering. I'm not sure measuring general intelligence is a very helpful avenue to explore unless we are trying to quantify the brain fog an individual experiences and if that has any effect on apparent intelligence in and out of POIS. I would say that all the internet research I'm sure we all do when we enter a POIS episode on various medical subjects does make us more informed about these things than the general population, but I think it also comes at the risk of our desperation for answers clouding the necessary skepticism we should all have about what we find online. Case in point being the tendency of users here to gravitate toward alternative, unscientific solutions, like homeopathic treatments, unproven herbal remedies, and anti-science positions, like fear-mongering over vaccines. Overall, I'd say, like everything else we've determined thus far, the intelligence distribution here is disappointingly average and doesn't offer any clues as to who this condition affects.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »
According to Waldinger's 2011 study (part 1) which you can find here:

Education       N (%)
UNI     14 (31)
HVE/HTE     10 (22)
SSE/HGSE      5 (11)
GSE/MAEE     3 (7)
SVE/STE     6 (13)
LTS/ES     7 (16)

UNI = university; HVE = higher vocational education; HTE = higher technical education; SSE = secondary science education; HGSE = higher general secondary education; GSE = general secondary education; MAEE = more advanced elementary education; SVE = secondary vocational education; STE = secondary technical education; LTS = lower technical school; ES = elementary school.

POIS could contain more intelligent people compared to a normal distribution of healthy people.
Or poisers with high intelligence are more likely to recognize their symptoms and able to end up at the proper specialist while the distribution is just the same as in a healthy population.
Or people with higher educational backgrounds are perhaps more driven and don't know their limits that well and perhaps being more exposed to stress (as in academic stress.) You will end up with more intelligent people but you should look at the stress burden distribution.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 10:49:48 AM by Muon »

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2019, 10:53:58 AM »
I wouldn't describe my self having "academic burden". I might have had some stress in my middle school years dealing with school drama but I don't know. I did however start developing pure OCD and social anxiety but I don't know if that was caused by POIS or it was causing my POIS.
There is also a simpler explanation that more social isolation leads to developing niches. I personally had plenty of alone time which went towards watching YT and reading random stuff online.
Infact I wouldn't say I am cognitively intelligent; I have bad memory and bad focus.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 10:58:51 AM by Nas »

Muon

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2019, 11:05:15 AM »
You don't count Nas, you got too much OCD :D

Nas

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2019, 11:34:21 AM »
You don't count Nas, you got too much OCD :D
Wait someone with OCD should count a lot!!
It should be: You don't count Nas, You got too much pure OCD :)
Which makes you anxious and can't count :)

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2019, 02:38:13 PM »
Perhaps it got to do with circulatory issues. Academics may be less physically active. Could this have consequences for blood supply to the vagus nerve?

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2020, 02:02:51 PM »
This is very interesting, I'd never thought of this... So maybe people with POIS have an above average intelligence? As this is all anonymous here, I suppose I don't risk coming off as arrogant, so I'll say it: I have an off-the-charts IQ (above 170), and my POIS seems to be one of the worst I've ever heard about, so, maybe this is connected somehow? Muon suggested mast cell activation in the hypothalamus as a possible explanation for the fever episodes, so, I don't know, it seems that the brain is involved. Just throwing ideas out there, this surprised me.
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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2020, 07:55:24 PM »
Honestly I don't think POIS can be somehow related to IQ. As was mentioned above it's probably our education and awareness what gatehred us all here. There can be more poisers suffering ( I mean, look at these nofap communities over there for example) not knowing what's going on. And do you remember how much it took to figure out what's wrong with you? I think some can be way too mental and cognitive injuried to realise, some can be misdiagnosed, others can be living in tribe in desert and ain't know a thing about medicine etc etc..

Muon

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2020, 10:34:29 AM »
I have an off-the-charts IQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

I've seen a paper which showed a correlation between BDNF serum level and IQ, by chance, when I were looking into BDNF papers. Of course nowhere to be found when you are looking for it.

"When tested between ejaculations, he was found not to have these conditions and to have an IQ of 150."
Bassett, J., & Goldmeier, D. (2020)

Anyway a researcher in the field of brain & intelligence could take a look at POIS patients. There could be something to it.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2020, 12:12:07 PM by Muon »

Muon

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 02:39:26 PM »
Neural hyperactivity?

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2020, 03:34:08 PM »
Neural hyperactivity?
My mind has always been very active and able to think of things from many different perspectives and come up with many ideas and I often feel like I think more than most people on the average as if my mind and nervous system is more overactive.