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DEANNX

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 10:25:27 AM »
hi Swell, thanks for the info, I think I might have hyperthyroidism as I got almost complete opposite symptoms, ofc i will have to do a blood test to be sure, what supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism?????are you taking supplements only or also prescription drugs as well??

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 11:22:43 AM »
What supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism? ? ? ?
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« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 11:53:28 AM by demografx »
10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2019, 04:56:33 AM »
@demo ok sorry.

@Swell I did some google, it said that there risks involve in thyroid treatment, if you take hypothyroidism drug for a long time you might develop hyperthyroidism and vice versa. Have you talked to your doc about that and what did he say?

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2019, 05:52:07 PM »
Could you tell me what your symptoms are, I cannot read your post well.  Also get me your average waking up temperature?  I dont get that information from anyone, it is quite simple to measure, just make sure you are not sick when you measure.

Yes, there is a risk in everything.  The concept is very simple.  T3 hormone is essential for the normal function of every organ in our body and importantly it is a key determinant of whether a supplement/molecule/compound you take is metabolized properly or not metabolized.  If you have less in your body, that means hypo-thyroidism.  If you have too much, it is hyper-thyroidism.  So the risk is very obvious, if your body gets too much T3 it is bad, if it has too less T3 that is bad.  The problem is, due to political reasons, docs have been told to only measure TSH and T4, which keeps massive populations as un-diagnosed while severely suffering from a thyroid dysfunction. 

I have not seen a doctor for thyroid yet due to my peculiar circumstances :), so I highly recommend that you see a good 'Endocrinologist'. 


hi Swell, thanks for the info, I think I might have hyperthyroidism as I got almost complete opposite symptoms, ofc i will have to do a blood test to be sure, what supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism?????are you taking supplements only or also prescription drugs as well??

@Swell I did some google, it said that there risks involve in thyroid treatment, if you take hypothyroidism drug for a long time you might develop hyperthyroidism and vice versa. Have you talked to your doc about that and what did he say?


thanks
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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2019, 03:26:54 AM »
I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2019, 01:54:48 PM »
Could you share Deannx, what "specific" thyroid test you had?  Sorry, you are male (or female)?  High estradiol would point to a thyroid dysfunction.  I think most of us would have high estrogen.  If we can bring estrogen down, T3 hormone as well Testosterone would naturally go higher, but there are other factors involved too.

Its really great you have a fresh thyroid testing.  If you could share: a) what specific test you had, and b) incase you have the values. 

I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal

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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2019, 01:49:49 AM »
Could you share Deannx, what "specific" thyroid test you had?  Sorry, you are male (or female)?  High estradiol would point to a thyroid dysfunction.  I think most of us would have high estrogen.  If we can bring estrogen down, T3 hormone as well Testosterone would naturally go higher, but there are other factors involved too.

Its really great you have a fresh thyroid testing.  If you could share: a) what specific test you had, and b) incase you have the values. 

I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal

Hi, I am a male I tested FT3 FT4 and TSH, 5.16 pmol/L for FT3, 11.16 for FT4 and 3.280 μIU/mL for TSH
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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2019, 06:45:23 PM »
Thank you Deannx, while I am no expert (so follow your doc), you do seem to have 'peripheral hypo-thyroidism'.  Are you able to get your: waking up body temperature?  And if you can, pulse rate and BP during a pois episode.  I currently dont understand immune dysfunction (thyroid antibodies TPO, TSI ...) how they influence FT4/FT3/RT3.  I think they come disguised as TSH etc so your thyroid panel can come out as normal while you still have auto-immune produced anti-bodies attacking your tissue (brain or skin) and you wouldn't know it until you get the thyroid anti-bodies panel run.  To start simple, if you are able to get your waking up body temp, that will be helpful.
 
Hi, I am a male I tested FT3 FT4 and TSH, 5.16 pmol/L for FT3, 11.16 for FT4 and 3.280 μIU/mL for TSH

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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2019, 04:22:54 PM »
All, I wanted to update this thread.  I believe I have cured or controlled my POIS, I call it a 'solution' to my POIS problems; to the extent that I am now able to ejaculate without the torture of POIS.   My journey has been tumultuous.  I am inherently cautious, so I dont want to blindly credit Thyroid as this solution.   Over last 10 years I aggressively tried to improve my health through supplements but nothing ever worked for me.  The last 3 months however have been a game changer.  Today, for some reasons, when I take anything, I noticeably feels its effect.  E.g. Vitamin C, this thing never ever worked for me.  I was so frustrated by vitamins, because they always produced the opposite effect :) Vitamin C instead of helping a sore throat used to make it worse, and so on.  Detox could be important, but the various detox supplements never did a dime for me.

I am not a medical professional so I'll use plain language.  I feel my body was plugged/clogged to the extreme maybe that is why nothing worked except the aggressive pharmaceuticals (which while curing the specific symptom, leave many other trails of destruction in your body).  When I ejaculated I used to smell chemicals coming out of skin pores and producing uticaria, hyperpigmentation, skin texture/roughness, coupled with brainfog, anger, speech lethargy, extreme irritability.   

My first tiny break-through occurred with Glutathione stack and Sam-E.  But it was not sufficient.  While I have always eaten reasonably healthy, however in last 3 months, I did a 360 degree switch.  I started eating lot of healthy "fats", raw/uncooked - Olive oil (cholesterol metabolism), Wheat germ oil (for growth factors), Bile acids with a sprinkle of Taurine (for fat metabolism, bile production), protolytic enzymes (for food digestion) including  Trypsin and Chymotrypsin.
I reduced proteins, I still eat them, and I drastically cut down carbohydrates.  At same time, I started using natural  dissected Thyroid (from bovine sources for T3, T4).  For first time in my life, I noticed a significant change happening to my body and mind.  I became scared later from Thyroid so reduced dosage, today I open a capsule and sprinkle a small amount in a class of water and take it, the effects have been holding since.  Its been few months.  I used to be swelled on face and ankles all the time.  Not only that disappeared but also with that POIS.

I feel much much calmer, relaxed, more social.  My skin has no longer those smelly oily chemicals come out after ejaculation and I no longer have the uticaria etc.  I am not 100% certain if Thyroid hormones OR Fats have been the solution, but I'll say they have been a catalyst.  Over last 3 months, I have had 100+ ejaculations with sperm (I did not ever experience POIS with orgasm so differentiating it), so I'm reasonably confident today but humbly cautious.

All in all, I think its Growth Factors and Testosterone insufficiency or imbalance that produces the "allergic response" to semen or sperm cells - inflammation / mast cell activation and what not at least in my POIS.  Healthy 'fats' are precursor to Testosterone.  Thyroid hormones are the governance mechanism over Testosterone as well Growth Factors.  I think when we ejaculate, our levels for Growth factors including Testosterone plummet, sending our body into a 7 day 'freeze mode' - the mast cells, uticaria, brain slowing to a halt, extreme irritation etc.

Just a quick thanks to the forum and all of you.  Dont give up.  I'll be less active but still check this forum from time to time, hopefully my solution will stay effective.  And hopefully someday a gene or something will get identified that will help all understand POIS better.
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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2019, 08:28:37 PM »
Thanks, swell, for elaborately detailing your journey to health. And a POIS-free existence. Rooting for you.
10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2019, 09:58:03 AM »
You had a tipical symptomes of hypothyroism, swelling and water retention...
I dont hawe that, but hawe these hypothyroid symptomes: extreme fatigue,


    Difficulty concentrating
    Short-term and long-term memory problems
    Forgetfulness
    Lack of focus
    Feeling "spaced out"
    Confusion
    Difficulty thinking clearly

Muscle weakness
Hypersensitivity to touch or temperature

Fast or irregular heartbeats
Feeling faintish
Shortness of breath


I think that you "cure" is mainly because of bovine thyroid hormones that you uses.

Aobout your diet, man , what do you eat now? :) I mean, you dont eat carbs, no proteins---... fats only?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 12:28:30 AM by Hopeoneday »
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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2019, 10:02:40 AM »
Interesting. The plot thickens!
10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2019, 12:51:45 PM »
Indeed, the plot thickens further Demo, life is too good currently :)

Interesting. The plot thickens!
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2019, 01:52:31 PM »
Well, there is a difference between 'no proteins' (what you are interpreting) and 'reducing proteins' (what I said), proteins are essential but care must be taken,  I do think though you are close to the truth HOD.

Aobout your diet, man , what do you eat now? :) I mean, you dont eat carbs, no proteins---... fats only?

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2019, 07:32:03 PM »
I think you might have modulated your immune system by taking T3 and T4.

Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2768616/#S8title

''Notably, in both experimental models, there was a sharp though transient drop in circulating T3 and T4 24-48 hrs after antigen exposure; recovery in circulating thyroid hormone levels began 3-4 days post-antigen challenge''

Dynamics of POIS symptoms show similar numbers in time. In my case POIS symptoms are at their peak after 24 hrs and recovery starts exactly after 4 days. This is very striking.

Thyroid hormones as modulators of immune activities at the cellular level.

''Thyroid hormones also affect natural killer cell activity and cell-mediated immune responses.'' (AKA type IV hypersensitivity)
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