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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2019, 01:31:51 PM »
What percentage of Lugols Iodine are you using? I don't have any skin problems but I do have bad speech problems brain fog and social anxiety and dry eyes so you think this will still be good for me?

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2019, 02:09:20 PM »
I'm unsure whether to buy the 12% or the 7% apparently both are way over the daily limit so I'm not sure if that will have  bad effects internally but I guess its defo worth if it beats pois.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2019, 03:37:03 PM »
Btw I'm not asking for medical advice! I am just wondering your thoughts. I think I already have a high metabolism as I'm very skinny and I never put on any weight even I eat loads. I am also reading online that if not taken with selenium it can harm your thyroid so now I'm kinda confused.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2019, 03:38:30 PM »
Intresting.
I did want to try lugols for guts infection
(to treat posible guts infection relate to help me for pois).
I did read a lot about alternative medicine wich use lugoil to treat
different types of infections. (bacterial, parasitic...)
I couldn,t find it eny more in farmacy,
because it is not use "eny more oraly".
But i see that it can be buyed in some bio shops.

By the way Swell, what did i learned about thyroid is that functional medicine treat that disorder the the best.
They start to check from hypothalamus to reverse T3 hormones, lack of nutrients etc.

For oficial medicine, if yours TSH is 4.2 in range 1-4 , you are fine for them.
But actualy, if TSH 4 , 4,2 etc you are all redy in "hypo zone".

Here expleined, an web page with a lot of usefull tips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGsV2Ob0tqk
« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 06:55:25 PM by Hopeoneday »
Dr-pois.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2019, 03:43:44 PM »
So do you guys think it's worth while to do a thyroid test?

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2019, 08:32:17 PM »
In this 40min video, if you read this video carefuly,
he mentions almost all the good things we mentioned in the forum here.
Methaylation, detox fases glutathione,
diet, leaky gut, autoimunity ...

From those advices he mention there,
we know that some people did cured theirs pois.
He talk fast but in 40min he did sayed allmoust all that is needed.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2019, 05:59:38 AM by Hopeoneday »
Dr-pois.

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 03:24:00 PM »
This seems a really nice video, hopeoneday, thank you, I am going to go through it.  Guys I do think Thyroid/HPA axis is the key, I always knew it is the key, but I just did not know the human anatomy vocabulary, I have been living in such a dense fog, done great in school/college but damn I should have known thyroid before.   

In this 40min video, if you read this video carefuly,
he mentions almost all the good things we mentioned in the forum here.
Methaylation, detox fases glutathione,
diet, leaky gut, autoimunity ...

From those advices he mention there,
we know that some people did cured theirs pois.
He talk fast but in 40min he did sayed allmoust all that is needed.
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Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 03:33:54 PM »
I would say Nas, if you watch the video hopeoneday posted that has a series of tests ... I also posted the full list either in this thread or some other.  Yes if you can get the full panel (not just TSH and T4 ... that is useless) from on Endrocologist or some lab, we can interpret it here.   

So do you guys think it's worth while to do a thyroid test?
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Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2019, 03:53:07 PM »
Iwillbeattthis, best is to see an Endocrologist (not a General Practitioner).  I cant advise anyone to experiment since I have no background in medical sciences.  I'm doing this to myself only because I'm very very careful.  But I can share my experience.   I order Lugols from amazon, its cheap price.  Its a liquid and one single drop is 2.5mg.  There are many ways to take it, I dilute it with distilled water.  4 drops of distilled water combined with one drop of Lugols gives you 5 total drops.  Since I have mercury fillings, so I put one drop (i.e. 500 mg) in an empty capsule and take it with water.  I also take Se and Zn as well L-Tyrosine (but Tyrosine is not appropriate if one has have schizophrenia - too much dopamine) .  This thing is very powerful with skin symptoms.  Damn, I had my entire life white film inside my lips, that is melting/breaking away, 90% gone.  Corner of my lip had severe itching, no doc could do anything about it, its 90% gone.  Swelling is eliminated.

What percentage of Lugols Iodine are you using? I don't have any skin problems but I do have bad speech problems brain fog and social anxiety and dry eyes so you think this will still be good for me?
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2019, 03:37:52 PM »
Just an update:  Since last 3 weeks, I have tapered down on Iodine (now at 100mcg), and upped taking 'bovine dissected thyroid' (40-50mg) supplement.  Interestingly I noticed that my BP, pulse, and heart-rate went up significantly (to the point I got scared, pre-hypertension stage 130-140 / 80-90, pulse upto 92).  However in last week, all vitals have automatically returned to as they were before taking supplement.  More interestingly, when my BP went higher, my peripherals (ankles, hands, hair) felt very very good - I never felt as good, since I suffer from raynaud's.  BP is now averaging 110 / 65, pulse 65.  Temps are still low, 96.3 to 97.5 at tops when lunch gets digested.  Good news is, I have had 3 POIS free periods so far (with about 9 e's in each pois period).  I am still not 100% satisfied due to my nerve paresis having had zero change.  But now, I am no longer after multiple ejaculations confined to my room, I am socializing, chatting and happy with little to no skin changes.  Still continuing to monitor.  Any tips, cautions, comments, critique, welcome.   

One question: has anyone used Fulvic/Humic acid?  Its supposed to be very good, potent anti-inflammatory etc, I have tried single doses and it doesn't work well for me.  I get very pale/tired as if sick, with terrible nasal congestion at night.  I suspect, it takes 2 days of glutathione to feel better again (or maybe it take fulvic to get out of system in 2 days).  It almost feels like fulvic induces a mini-pois.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2019, 12:18:58 AM by swell »
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 10:25:27 AM »
hi Swell, thanks for the info, I think I might have hyperthyroidism as I got almost complete opposite symptoms, ofc i will have to do a blood test to be sure, what supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism?????are you taking supplements only or also prescription drugs as well??

thanks

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 11:22:43 AM »
What supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism? ? ? ?
Please, no offering or seeking of personal medical advice here at the forum. Ask your own personal doctor or health care practitioner. Thank you.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 11:53:28 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2019, 04:56:33 AM »
@demo ok sorry.

@Swell I did some google, it said that there risks involve in thyroid treatment, if you take hypothyroidism drug for a long time you might develop hyperthyroidism and vice versa. Have you talked to your doc about that and what did he say?

Thanks

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2019, 05:52:07 PM »
Could you tell me what your symptoms are, I cannot read your post well.  Also get me your average waking up temperature?  I dont get that information from anyone, it is quite simple to measure, just make sure you are not sick when you measure.

Yes, there is a risk in everything.  The concept is very simple.  T3 hormone is essential for the normal function of every organ in our body and importantly it is a key determinant of whether a supplement/molecule/compound you take is metabolized properly or not metabolized.  If you have less in your body, that means hypo-thyroidism.  If you have too much, it is hyper-thyroidism.  So the risk is very obvious, if your body gets too much T3 it is bad, if it has too less T3 that is bad.  The problem is, due to political reasons, docs have been told to only measure TSH and T4, which keeps massive populations as un-diagnosed while severely suffering from a thyroid dysfunction. 

I have not seen a doctor for thyroid yet due to my peculiar circumstances :), so I highly recommend that you see a good 'Endocrinologist'. 


hi Swell, thanks for the info, I think I might have hyperthyroidism as I got almost complete opposite symptoms, ofc i will have to do a blood test to be sure, what supplements do you recommend i try for hyperthyroidism?????are you taking supplements only or also prescription drugs as well??

@Swell I did some google, it said that there risks involve in thyroid treatment, if you take hypothyroidism drug for a long time you might develop hyperthyroidism and vice versa. Have you talked to your doc about that and what did he say?


thanks
« Last Edit: May 26, 2019, 05:53:41 PM by swell »
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2019, 03:26:54 AM »
I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2019, 01:54:48 PM »
Could you share Deannx, what "specific" thyroid test you had?  Sorry, you are male (or female)?  High estradiol would point to a thyroid dysfunction.  I think most of us would have high estrogen.  If we can bring estrogen down, T3 hormone as well Testosterone would naturally go higher, but there are other factors involved too.

Its really great you have a fresh thyroid testing.  If you could share: a) what specific test you had, and b) incase you have the values. 

I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2019, 01:49:49 AM »
Could you share Deannx, what "specific" thyroid test you had?  Sorry, you are male (or female)?  High estradiol would point to a thyroid dysfunction.  I think most of us would have high estrogen.  If we can bring estrogen down, T3 hormone as well Testosterone would naturally go higher, but there are other factors involved too.

Its really great you have a fresh thyroid testing.  If you could share: a) what specific test you had, and b) incase you have the values. 

I actually tested my thyroid along with other sex hormones not long after reading your thread but it turns out my thyroid is normal. However I do have high level of estradiol, but my Testosterone is normal

Hi, I am a male I tested FT3 FT4 and TSH, 5.16 pmol/L for FT3, 11.16 for FT4 and 3.280 μIU/mL for TSH
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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2019, 06:45:23 PM »
Thank you Deannx, while I am no expert (so follow your doc), you do seem to have 'peripheral hypo-thyroidism'.  Are you able to get your: waking up body temperature?  And if you can, pulse rate and BP during a pois episode.  I currently dont understand immune dysfunction (thyroid antibodies TPO, TSI ...) how they influence FT4/FT3/RT3.  I think they come disguised as TSH etc so your thyroid panel can come out as normal while you still have auto-immune produced anti-bodies attacking your tissue (brain or skin) and you wouldn't know it until you get the thyroid anti-bodies panel run.  To start simple, if you are able to get your waking up body temp, that will be helpful.
 
Hi, I am a male I tested FT3 FT4 and TSH, 5.16 pmol/L for FT3, 11.16 for FT4 and 3.280 μIU/mL for TSH
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2019, 04:22:54 PM »
All, I wanted to update this thread.  I believe I have cured or controlled my POIS, I call it a 'solution' to my POIS problems; to the extent that I am now able to ejaculate without the torture of POIS.   My journey has been tumultuous.  I am inherently cautious, so I dont want to blindly credit Thyroid as this solution.   Over last 10 years I aggressively tried to improve my health through supplements but nothing ever worked for me.  The last 3 months however have been a game changer.  Today, for some reasons, when I take anything, I noticeably feels its effect.  E.g. Vitamin C, this thing never ever worked for me.  I was so frustrated by vitamins, because they always produced the opposite effect :) Vitamin C instead of helping a sore throat used to make it worse, and so on.  Detox could be important, but the various detox supplements never did a dime for me.

I am not a medical professional so I'll use plain language.  I feel my body was plugged/clogged to the extreme maybe that is why nothing worked except the aggressive pharmaceuticals (which while curing the specific symptom, leave many other trails of destruction in your body).  When I ejaculated I used to smell chemicals coming out of skin pores and producing uticaria, hyperpigmentation, skin texture/roughness, coupled with brainfog, anger, speech lethargy, extreme irritability.   

My first tiny break-through occurred with Glutathione stack and Sam-E.  But it was not sufficient.  While I have always eaten reasonably healthy, however in last 3 months, I did a 360 degree switch.  I started eating lot of healthy "fats", raw/uncooked - Olive oil (cholesterol metabolism), Wheat germ oil (for growth factors), Bile acids with a sprinkle of Taurine (for fat metabolism, bile production), protolytic enzymes (for food digestion) including  Trypsin and Chymotrypsin.
I reduced proteins, I still eat them, and I drastically cut down carbohydrates.  At same time, I started using natural  dissected Thyroid (from bovine sources for T3, T4).  For first time in my life, I noticed a significant change happening to my body and mind.  I became scared later from Thyroid so reduced dosage, today I open a capsule and sprinkle a small amount in a class of water and take it, the effects have been holding since.  Its been few months.  I used to be swelled on face and ankles all the time.  Not only that disappeared but also with that POIS.

I feel much much calmer, relaxed, more social.  My skin has no longer those smelly oily chemicals come out after ejaculation and I no longer have the uticaria etc.  I am not 100% certain if Thyroid hormones OR Fats have been the solution, but I'll say they have been a catalyst.  Over last 3 months, I have had 100+ ejaculations with sperm (I did not ever experience POIS with orgasm so differentiating it), so I'm reasonably confident today but humbly cautious.

All in all, I think its Growth Factors and Testosterone insufficiency or imbalance that produces the "allergic response" to semen or sperm cells - inflammation / mast cell activation and what not at least in my POIS.  Healthy 'fats' are precursor to Testosterone.  Thyroid hormones are the governance mechanism over Testosterone as well Growth Factors.  I think when we ejaculate, our levels for Growth factors including Testosterone plummet, sending our body into a 7 day 'freeze mode' - the mast cells, uticaria, brain slowing to a halt, extreme irritation etc.

Just a quick thanks to the forum and all of you.  Dont give up.  I'll be less active but still check this forum from time to time, hopefully my solution will stay effective.  And hopefully someday a gene or something will get identified that will help all understand POIS better.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2019, 04:44:03 PM by swell »
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Thyroid Function and POIS
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2019, 08:28:37 PM »
Thanks, swell, for elaborately detailing your journey to health. And a POIS-free existence. Rooting for you.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business