Author Topic: Fenugreek + Garlic... (Read 175175 times)

Vincent M · « **Reply #80 on:** May 25, 2011, 06:36:28 PM »

Quote from: Observer on May 25, 2011, 06:29:27 PM

I can say with 100% certainty that it is not a placebo effect in my case.

Ditto.

Also I can say that I am able to masturbate much less while on fenugreek, and I can last longer when I do masturbate. Without fenugreek I "O" about 3-4 times a day on average, but sometimes as many as 6 or 7 times. On fenugreek I only "O" a max of 3 times a day-usually once in the morning and once at night. Additionally POIS symptoms are significantly reduced (perhaps about 30% reduced)

Edit- I suspect fenugreek also reduces my appetite, but that could just be the milk & half & half I drink with the garlic.

Jon · « **Reply #81 on:** May 27, 2011, 07:41:19 PM »

Why does fenugreek work for brain fog?

I understand that it may increase progesterone, but what does that have to do with the brain?

Daveman · « **Reply #82 on:** May 28, 2011, 08:41:43 AM »

I know most of you don't see how "allergy" can produce cognitive problems, but it has been shown that meningial inflamation has effects over the nervous system, system wide, including the brain.

The "protective covering of nerves pathways including the brain itself" is the meningis.

So one potential reason that progesterone can reduce brain-fog is by the elimination/reduction of sperm being introduced into the bloodstream through the "gap".

Another potential reason is similar, by modifying / stopping / breaking the hormonal chain which begins the sperm production cycle. There are suspicions that components like LH/FSH (hormonal control signals from higher up) or others can be allergens somehow in our system, or can provoke the secretion of new/different protiens / cytokines that react against the auto-immune system.

All sounds pretty general, and coming from a complete layman, but this POIS thing has shown to be a pretty slippery devil, so we can't expect the answer to be to straightforward.

The good news is that we are attracting serious investigators, who have much greater clues as to the why of all of this.

Jon · « **Reply #83 on:** June 02, 2011, 11:52:11 PM »

Thats very interesting, Daveman. Thanks for the response.

I will be getting some testing done next week and I will keep eveyrone updated. Is it alright to take fenugreek and/or garlic on days when im doing blood work or will the results be altered because of it?

Daveman · « **Reply #84 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:02:35 PM »

I suspect that they would be altered.

It would be a great test to do a before and after with fenugreek!! Someone?

Jon · « **Reply #85 on:** June 04, 2011, 12:37:18 AM »

Thats a good idea, Daveman. I think I will try and do that.

I just hope I can function on the day of the appointment since I wont be taking fenugreek. How long before the appointment should I stop taking it so it can get out of my system?

Daveman · « **Reply #86 on:** June 04, 2011, 08:23:53 AM »

It seems to have a fairly immediate effect, so one would imagine that it would pass rapidly too.

Maybe give it two days, so as not to suffer too much.

And when you do the test with take it about 1 to 1 1/2 hr. B4 the extraccion of blood. with hopefully a couple of day of taking it behind you.

sameer7777 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:52:28 AM »

guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............

Daveman · « **Reply #88 on:** June 05, 2011, 08:15:33 AM »

I don't think many pharmacies would have it. It's not a drug per se. It's more likely to be found in natural remedies stores or certainly in food or spice supplies for indian restaurants. Ask an indian food restaurant where they get their fenugreek seeds, or spice. It's probably a pain to find it the first time, but once found.... you can probably purchase a kilo at once if you want to.

Vincent M · « **Reply #89 on:** June 06, 2011, 10:48:07 AM »

sameer is it possible for you to order it online and have it shipped to your address?

Vandemolen · « **Reply #90 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:00:04 PM »

Quote from: Vincent Marcus on May 25, 2011, 06:36:28 PM

Ditto.

Also I can say that I am able to masturbate much less while on fenugreek, and I can last longer when I do masturbate. Without fenugreek I "O" about 3-4 times a day on average, but sometimes as many as 6 or 7 times. On fenugreek I only "O" a max of 3 times a day-usually once in the morning and once at night. Additionally POIS symptoms are significantly reduced (perhaps about 30% reduced)

Edit- I suspect fenugreek also reduces my appetite, but that could just be the milk & half & half I drink with the garlic.

I bought a new box of fenugreek. I will try it today if it works. On the box I bought they say that fenugreek gives you MORE appetite.

Samir · « **Reply #91 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:43:09 PM »

Hey Sameer, fenugreek is methi.

UnderstandingPois · « **Reply #92 on:** June 17, 2011, 07:02:17 PM »

Fenugreek is a yellow colored seed of a green leafy vegetable. It is bitter in taste and is used for flavor and nutrition in food.

Nutrition Facts and Information about Fenugreek: Fenugreek is rich in potassium, phosphorus, magnesium and calcium. It has good amount of iron and sodium with small amount of zinc, copper, manganese and selenium.

Vitamin Content of Fenugreek: Fenugreek has good amount of Vitamin C with small amount of Vitamin A, B6, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin and folate.

Calorie Content of Fenugreek: 100g of fenugreek has 323 calories. Calories from fat are 54.

Health Benefits of Fenugreek: Fenugreek cures constipation, diabetes, digestive tract irritation, indigestion, leg ulcers, muscle pain, tuberculosis, wounds, poor appetite, gout, inflamed lymph glands and also lowers the blood pressure.

i dont know maybe because it is like a multivitamin?

anyway i wonder if when you get a blood test does it show vitamin c? cause the body doesent make it , and only is in your body for about 12 hours.

Vincent M · « **Reply #93 on:** June 18, 2011, 03:45:51 AM »

Fenugreek actually reduces my appetite by a lot actually. Before I started taking fenugreek + garlic I always wanted to be munching on something and now I eat like one full meal and a couple snacks a day.

But let's see today is June 18 and I started this trial May 12... so fenugreek plus garlic has been providing consistent relief for me a bit more than a month now. I started with the Solaray brand and now am taking the Nature's Way brand cuz I guess I ordered the wrong one, but it still works just as well.

Bream · « **Reply #94 on:** June 19, 2011, 11:07:51 AM »

I read this interesting article about fenugreek today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2005453/Herbs-used-curries-spice-things-bedroom.html

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It’s not clear how the herb works, but fenugreek seeds contain bioactive compounds which may have some effect on hormone levels because they are rich in compounds called saponins, including one called diosgenin. Research suggests this may be involved in the production of a number of sex hormones.

‘It probably works to increase testosterone or androgen levels, which decrease with age,’ says Dr Raj Persad, consultant neurologist. ‘If it’s proven to be safe, this is good news. Men with good sexual health live longer than those who without.’

Starsky · « **Reply #95 on:** June 20, 2011, 10:28:16 AM »

Quote from: UnderstandingPois on June 17, 2011, 07:02:17 PM

Health Benefits of Fenugreek: Fenugreek cures constipation, diabetes, digestive tract irritation, indigestion, leg ulcers, muscle pain, tuberculosis, wounds, poor appetite, gout, inflamed lymph glands and also lowers the blood pressure.

i think it is my major problem. I become every time lymph nodes swollen.. i think i must give it a chance.

Observer · « **Reply #96 on:** June 30, 2011, 08:38:54 AM »

LONDON/BERLIN June 30 (Reuters) - Imported fenugreek seeds from Egypt may be the source of highly toxic E. coli outbreaks in Germany and France that have killed at least 48 people, according to initial investigations by European scientists.
More than 4,000 people across Europe and in North America have been infected in the deadliest outbreak of E. coli so far recorded, which started in early May. Almost all of those sickened lived in Germany or had recently travelled there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/ecoli-europe-egypt-idUSL6E7HU0EZ20110630

Just wanted you to know, to take care about the fenugreek you are buying.

Ccconfucius · « **Reply #97 on:** June 30, 2011, 12:45:42 PM »

how many cloves of garlic do you guys recommend i gust ate 3/4 of a bulb that to much.

omen · « **Reply #98 on:** July 01, 2011, 07:50:07 AM »

i tried fenugreek while in pois....it helps,but makes me aggressive...

Daveman · « **Reply #99 on:** July 01, 2011, 10:11:59 AM »

Quote from: bitu8489 on July 01, 2011, 07:50:07 AM

i tried fenugreek while in pois....it helps,but makes me aggressive...

Fenugreek changees the hormonal balance. It may be that it could take a little while to adapt to the difference, on the other hand perhaps not.

We have seen in other tests with hormones themselves like testosterone and or progestins (and among those influenced by fenugreek), and which supposedly should have positivie effects over POIS, that some people have other excessive side effects. It's complicated.

In male contraceptive recipies (which show promise for POIS relief), most of these side effects have been resolved, but they are still working on perfectioning the recipies for larger numbers.

Obviously fenugreek is not a precise formula, and one may or may not adapt well to any side effects. What is important is knowing exactly WHAT is it's influencing factor, and therefore understanding more precisely the mechanism behind POIS.

IF we can manage to relieve symptoms in the process, all the better.

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