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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2011, 02:23:35 PM »
Today is my third day on fenugreek and I've noticed that 3 of my Os have been significantly less intense than usual. Yesterday when I woke up I had an O that was about 50% the intensity and time of a normal O for me then later that night I had an O that barely seemed like one at all since it probably only lasted about 10% of the usual time of an O for me. Then this morning I had one that was about 70% normal. In the past 3 days I have had about 4 to 6 other normal Os however. The less intense Os don't cause as much POIS as normal ones do.

I think I am feeling a very slight amount of pain relief and energy boost still, but it is still hard to tell for sure.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2011, 02:26:42 PM by Vincent Marcus »
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2011, 05:13:45 PM »
Something's gotta be working, becasue if I had that many Os in such a short period of time, I'd be dead!

Without Fenugreek can you have that many Os and still walk around?
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2011, 06:19:22 PM »
Today is my third day on fenugreek and I've noticed that 3 of my Os have been significantly less intense than usual. Yesterday when I woke up I had an O that was about 50% the intensity and time of a normal O for me then later that night I had an O that barely seemed like one at all since it probably only lasted about 10% of the usual time of an O for me. Then this morning I had one that was about 70% normal. In the past 3 days I have had about 4 to 6 other normal Os however. The less intense Os don't cause as much POIS as normal ones do.

I think I am feeling a very slight amount of pain relief and energy boost still, but it is still hard to tell for sure.

The same is happening to me, i had another "normal" Os, and i agree with you in your conclusion. Fenugreek continues to work for me, but these days i caught a cold, and i don´t know if this is resulting in some erratic behaviour in my body; because one day the fenugreek didn´t seem to work ( i took the second capsule hours later and the relief was nearly instantaneous), and other day worked very well, but i was very agitated/couldn´t sleep well after taking it(just before taking medication to alleviate the symptoms of the cold), like a shot of adrenaline... the POIS and cold symptoms disappeared  but i couldn´t sleep in 2 hours.
I suggest you to continue with fenugreek, but trying to reduce the frecuency of your orgasms to not have POIS symptoms when you have one. Hope it works for you  :).

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2011, 12:11:49 AM »
Yeah unfortunately I usually have about 3 to 5 Os a day these days. I rarely leave my bed. I've tried to control the number of Os in the past, but the effort was ultimately futile. I'm not sure if my testosterone is too high or if my refraction period is just abnormally short, but my muscle tone has always been above average so I assume it's high testosterone.

I'm going to finish off this bottle of fenugreek then probably try relora after.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2011, 12:13:29 AM by Vincent Marcus »
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2011, 08:01:04 AM »
I use Fenugreek 2 weeks now. But it doesn't seem to help. I will finish the pills I have and give it a next try.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2011, 08:56:05 PM »
Yeah unfortunately I usually have about 3 to 5 Os a day these days. I rarely leave my bed. I've tried to control the number of Os in the past, but the effort was ultimately futile. I'm not sure if my testosterone is too high or if my refraction period is just abnormally short, but my muscle tone has always been above average so I assume it's high testosterone.

I'm going to finish off this bottle of fenugreek then probably try relora after.

Wow. If I experience one to two orgasms in a WEEK, I can't function for about two weeks. Are you serious about the frequency of your orgasms? If you do indeed have POIS, why are you doing that to yourself?
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2011, 09:06:55 AM »
I can't really help it. The temptation is too much to resist. However I believe my recovery rate is also slightly faster than many here as if I go 3 or 4 days without an O I get a crazy burst of energy and all my symptoms nearly vanish, but I rarely have the self control to reach that point anymore. Honestly I don't know how you guys go so many days without an O, but I assume it's something I can only correct with drugs or herbal supplements.

Also it could perhaps be an addiction to masturbation caused or amplified by my social anxiety...maybe. Either way I think I'd be in better shape if I found a way to drastically reduce my sex drive.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2011, 09:21:18 AM by Vincent Marcus »
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 10:00:23 AM »

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)


You'd be surprised by how much The General Store in Chile carries!

They've expanded in recent years beyond just selling food, forks, and knives, and underwear! :)
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2011, 01:16:34 PM »

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)


You'd be surprised by how much The General Store in Chile carries!

They've expanded in recent years beyond just selling food, forks, and knives, and underwear! :)

They ARE pretty cool. For the small size, it;s amazine the variety they have. Reminds me of when I liven in Germany (10 yrs old). The Gasthaus! which was their version of the corner store. A litle tyke, barely able to see above the counter, telling the owner that you want 1 of those, and 2 of these and a couple of this other.... How much is that? I've got 50 fennigs.....

Well it's pesos here, but I see it in my nephews eyes. Standing on tipie toes t reach the sour suckers.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2011, 10:54:25 PM »
Just started using milk + half &half to wash down garlic. I'm lazy so I've just been eating the garlic by itself or chopping it into a glass of milk, but this method is much easier.

Not sure if Fenugreek is helping, but I'm continuing to take it.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2011, 01:28:50 AM »

Something's gotta be working, becasue if I had that many Os in such a short period of time, I'd be dead!


Ditto!
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2011, 06:34:07 AM »
I use Fenugreek 2 weeks now. But it doesn't seem to help. I will finish the pills I have and give it a next try.

When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2011, 05:18:22 PM »
When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??
One before and one after.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2011, 03:11:35 PM »
When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??
One before and one after.

Well i have some news for you on Fenugreek.
I have experienced 7-8 days ago a very bad POIS episode after my O. Its duration was about 2-3 days(the main effects). I had taken fenugreek only 20-30 min before the release. That didn´t work as well as i supposed. I took fenugreek later, but i experienced no improvement. Only garlic seemed to help my cognitive symptoms. But today i just had another O.(More than a week without one) 1 hour after taking fenugreek.

It´s happening again. The O. are less intense/pleasurable than they used to be, but no POIS or a little one follows(I feel very well right now).
I don´t know why the fenugreek worked the first times after the O. (maybe my POIS was no so harder) and the last time it didn´t work. I have to wait 1 hour to O. , maybe more after taking fenugreek to not have POIS . I didn´t know if someone have made before the correlation : LESS INTENSE Orgasm - LESS POIS symptoms???

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2011, 07:42:54 AM »
So a simple summary seems to be that for you, taking Fenugreek at least an hour before orgasm helps a lot more?



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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2011, 08:37:19 PM »
So a simple summary seems to be that for you, taking Fenugreek at least an hour before orgasm helps a lot more?


Well, i am making some "experiments" to watch what is happening when i took fenugreek before orgasm. I have to say that when i wake up this morning I feel some POIS symptoms (brain fog, cognitive). This doesn´t happened to me several weeks ago when i took the fenugreek before orgasm(I took it several hours before, i can´t recall the exact time), because no POIS followed. Today i have to take 1 garlic clove + 1 fenugreek at the morning, then the Fenugreek worked again for several hours. In the afternoon i have to take another because a mild POIS was appearing again. Now in the night it seems that the POIS has definitely gone.

There are for sure another factors in this problem, but I can say with major certainty some points about me:
- Fenugreek works better before the Orgasm. 1-2 pills, ( At least to 1 hour and half- 2 hours before any O. No POIS or a mild version of POIS will follow. You will know forehand based on the intensity of the O. (Less pleasurable O. means less POIS).
- Fenugreek seems to work better after the Orgasm when you are having mild POIS symptoms, not with an intense one when it doesn´t seem to work.
- Garlic cloves always work for me.



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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2011, 07:50:40 AM »
OK, good "sleuthing". (what private investigators do for those of other language origins).

These investigations are difficult. There are so many coincidences, and variables. But we have to take careful "notes" and try to take everything into account. So we'll keep following the saga in hopes that the details clarify.

Thanks.

Anybody else with good garlic results, and or fenugreek garlic combos?

How do you manage the "odour" aspect of garlic. As I understand, even if you swallow a clove whole, it seeps out through the pores and breath once it's in the blood.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2011, 09:15:19 AM »
Today is day 14 of fenugreek for me. I started eating one raw garlic clove with milk as well about day 6 of taking fenugreek. The effect of fenugreek was very slight which is why I added the garlic. Immediately after taking both my brain fog clears almost completely but comes back for the most part quickly, however I am noticing an overall improvement in all my symptoms. I've been taking two 620mg pills of fenugreek every morning and night, one clove of garlic in the morning, but I have to chew the garlic or else it doesn't work I've tried chopping it up and swallowing it but there is no noticeable effect that way.

I wonder has anyone tried snorting fenugreek or garlic or inhaling the odors? I notice when I smell the fenugreek pills the odor itself seems to wake me up and clear a tiny bit of brain fog.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2011, 05:27:34 AM »
I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2011, 07:10:56 PM »
I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach.

This could be the reason why I had a bad POIS episode 2 weeks ago after taking Fenugreek(because i was with an empty stomach). Today i had another O. and i took 2 fenugreek+1 garlic clove 1 hour before the O, but i just ate a lot. The O. was "intense" but POIS cognitive symptoms were greatly reduced. I have like a minor bad feeling in the front of the head, but never feel mentally drained. Can interact with other people normally and without problems, good mood, etc.

Daveman asked about the odour aspect of garlic. Of course i wash my mouth/teeth with anti-odor toothpaste every time i eat garlic(you must chew it as Vincent said). :)