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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2011, 04:32:45 PM »
Yesterday i took 2 fenugreek capsules before orgasm, but the orgasm was not caused by masturbation, it was caused by sexual intercourse. I had an ejaculation before engaging in the sexual intercourse due to my excitement  ::)("premature ejaculation" due to the fact i was 10 days without any orgasm plus excitment), then more later i had the sexual intercourse and i couldn´t reach the orgasm during the intercourse after long time, so i decided to not have another orgasm. I feel today tired, but more for the fact that i didn´t sleep more than 1 hour, but i didn´t feel any brain fog. I will report how i feel tomorrow, but today, it seems that POIS is less intense after engaging in sexual intercourse with a woman(which i love  :) ) than after masturbation. I don´t know if the run-up to excitment has something to do with this, but i think it´s an interesting fact for me.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2011, 03:41:52 AM »
my online girlfriend will be visiting in about a month so hopefully i should be able to provide some info on whether sex affects me differently than masturbation.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2011, 10:49:34 AM »
my online girlfriend will be visiting in about a month so hopefully i should be able to provide some info on whether sex affects me differently than masturbation.

Today it seems i am feeling the POIS i hadn´t yesterday. Fortunately, fenugreek + garlic is helping me a lot like it usually does.  I am wondering about the effect the Sun has on POIS(Vitamin D??), because it seems that when the days are sunny, my POIS is less intense, but when they are darker POIS is more hard. Today it has been sunny occasionally and in that moment i feel better of my cognitive symptoms. I would like to know if someone has reported the same about this.


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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2011, 01:57:51 PM »
Sun definitly has a positive effect for me.

I live where spring and fall are short and summer is about 5 months of 32C (90F) with cloudless skies. I'm much better in summer.

But there's another factor to consider, especially with soft tissue inflamation, and that is weather systems. I caught on to weather systems in relating to my neck and joint symptoms before I related symptoms to POIS.

A low pressuer system 1 to 2 days out can beging to wreak havoc. As the system approaches, it gets worse, up until it arrives. For me, when the rain actually arrives, I start to feel better already.

Also certain combinations of cold and humidity can have affect.

But, I'd say, that sun has a big part. Even with good weather in winter, I'm more susceptible.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2011, 11:25:02 PM »
I also think it's not just sunlight but also weather systems since i feel better in the summer even though i rarely go outside.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2013, 10:31:59 PM by Vincent M »
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2011, 10:45:32 PM »
Hey guys, I have been wondering abotu a couple of things. I tried fenugreek and garlic before and after orgasm for hte first time. I do notice a clearer mind and am less fatigued than usual. I still do have some symptoms though.

I am taking fenugreek capsules and garlic capsules. Is fenugreek and garlic something your body can get used to or dependent on, Do you ever have to bump up the consumption dose ?

Also, I have a mucher harder time getting up the day after orgasm, I am very absent minded in bed and no sense of urgency when the alarm clock goes off. The morning after is probably the worst. Can anybody else relate to this.
My cognitive symptoms started suddenly during an orgasm when I was 16. I then developed my POIS and cognitive/physical symptoms became very severe. Had to leave work and school. This year I had 60% success with regimen. Recently the symptoms have gotten worse again. Let's help each other.

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« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2011, 11:52:49 AM »
hell yes especially when i only get three hours of sleep and i have to go to work, am always late to work when i have to go in the early morning,i know i am going to get in trouble and i dont even care anymore, it is hard to wake up when i get 10 hrs it becomes extremely hard when it is only three.

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« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2011, 04:53:59 PM »
I don't know if your body can build up a tolerance to fenugreek. I tried it for a month and it had the same effect every time. I'm currently starting a longer trial on it now.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2011, 08:26:27 AM »
I'm glad to hear you've been having some success with fenugreek, Vincent. I don't think that it ever stopped working for me - sure, it doesn't completely eliminate the symptoms, but my POIS symptoms now range from tolerable to almost insignificant - they used to vary between nightmarish and tolerable (symptoms mostly cognitive).


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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2011, 08:47:45 AM »
3 months after i discovered i probably had POIS my life has improved due to the NSF and this forum. Now i can fight against the symptoms with a wide range of options and POIS doesn´t haunt me like it used to.
Yesterday i had two O´s and was feeling with intense POIS and decided to go after all and i took 3 capsules of fenugreek. POIS was strongly reduced , today it has dissappeared 90%. This was unthinkable before discovering what was happening to me. I think the next step is to talk with some doctor about the condition, but i don´t know if it´s better to wait until more news about the syndrome. I live in Spain so i would want to ask you if someone knows some doctor here; could send me a PM if he wants.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2011, 05:43:01 PM »
"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."

I think it could somehow explain why its helping for POIS.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2011, 07:13:50 PM »
Hey guys, since I have taken fenugreek + garlic I have noticed miled relief in everyday symptoms. I find that orgasms may be less intense and therefore the brain fog is less intense, but I also have been noticing less pleasure/creativity/caring in every life since I have started taking it. Has anybody else experienced this? Also, has anybody gotten relief from fenugreek + garlic on days outside of POIS?
My cognitive symptoms started suddenly during an orgasm when I was 16. I then developed my POIS and cognitive/physical symptoms became very severe. Had to leave work and school. This year I had 60% success with regimen. Recently the symptoms have gotten worse again. Let's help each other.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2011, 07:14:55 PM »
Of course 30% feeding concentration is incredibly high. But yes, I have heard of the influence over progerterone production. Some medical cases have also indicated that progesterone does tend to relieve POIS syptoms.

I have been thinking about combining it in combinations with testosterone or testosterone enhancers to reduce sperm production, emulating a successful male anticonceptive formula.

100% sper reduction can be accomplished with specific combinations of testosterone and progestins. Perhaps with natural stimulators such as fenugreek, we may not be able to duplicate the effectivity, but come clode enough.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2011, 04:23:30 AM »
Hey guys, since I have taken fenugreek + garlic I have noticed miled relief in everyday symptoms. I find that orgasms may be less intense and therefore the brain fog is less intense, but I also have been noticing less pleasure/creativity/caring in every life since I have started taking it. Has anybody else experienced this? Also, has anybody gotten relief from fenugreek + garlic on days outside of POIS?

I noticed that it makes my driving skills deteriorate slightly (although POIS makes driving much more difficult) and I become a lot more sociable. This continues in and out of POIS. Fenugreek seems to have anti-anxiety properties, at least for me.

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« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2011, 06:40:02 AM »

I noticed that it makes my driving skills deteriorate slightly (although POIS makes driving much more difficult) and I become a lot more sociable. This continues in and out of POIS. Fenugreek seems to have anti-anxiety properties, at least for me.

I have noticed the same effects. It makes you more sociable.

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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #75 on: May 25, 2011, 04:13:15 PM »
In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals.

Perhaps fenugreek reduces POIS because it reduces sperm production? This could be a very big piece of information about fenugreek and further evidence that reducing sperm production can lessen POIS symptoms.

Has Demo tried fenugreek? I seem to remember him saying it didn't work for him, but not sure. If it didn't work for him maybe it's because he was already producing no sperm. EDIT- He just said he hasn't tried it yet.

Also this might explain why sometimes my orgasms were less intense and even dry in one case while taking fenugreek.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 09:08:17 PM by Vincent Marcus »
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2011, 05:42:01 PM »
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.
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« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2011, 06:03:08 PM »
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.

Vandemolen, how often do you have an "O"? I'm looking for a connection between those whom fenugreek works for and those it doesn't.
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2011, 06:06:32 PM »
In the last months: I think 2 or 3 times a month. I want to spend some POIS-free days. That's why. :)
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Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2011, 06:29:27 PM »
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.

I can say with 100% certainty that it is not a placebo effect in my case.

I want to share with you what happened to me yesterday. I ate at the dinner soy meat or vege meat plus a big salad. Then i took two capsules of Fenugreek. I had an orgasm on the night(1-2 hours after) due to sexual intercourse, but it was a weak orgasm( maybe 10% of intensity? of normal ones). I woke up on the morning with NO POIS(normal sleep 7 hours). POIS has not appeared during the day, except with 10-20% when i drank sugar drinks plus junk food at lunch and it dissappeared in less than 2 hours. I didn´t take more fenugreek after the O. and i feel incredibly well. I am thinking that the combination of big amount of quality food/good diet without junk food plus 2 Fenugreek capsules(fenugreek works better with full stomach) has scored one big victory against POIS.

One year ago, after i had an Orgasm i have to battle the symptoms, specially the brain fog , slow and negative thougths during 3-4-5 days. So i consider what  happened to me yesterday/today a big achievement in this battle. :)