Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Hormonal Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: Observer on April 01, 2011, 09:49:04 AM

Title: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 01, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
Hi! I would like to introduce myself as one young man who must show you gratitude, because i have read your post in the naked scientist forum several weeks ago and that has helped me a lot!(I discovered it from a news article about "sex can make men sick" from late Januray). Well, i think i could have POIS because i had the symptoms after every Orgasm since i was 18-19 YR maybe, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I think there must be several factors about this syndrome, and a good sleep and sunny days usually diminishes the severity.
I began to take garlic cloves and the result was immediate... specially with the brain fog *AFTER* the orgasm. If you take them *BEFORE* you have less (-70,80%) POIS symptoms after O, at least in my case. And then, was Fenugreek´s time. Seriously, it´s amazing. Taking it, AFTER or BEFORE the orgasm(i take only 1 capsule), i have experienced no POIS. Moreover, If you try to take FENUGREEK+Garlic it gives you a more enhanced mind and an increase of cognitive functions(and i am talking about this after and before orgasm, it doesn´t matter).

I want to thank you about this, because it´s for sure that i would never get this genial idea from my own. This forum and the other will be useful for more people, i hope. :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 01, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
Hi Observer! Welcome.

Pretty good choice for where to put this post, as several persons have noted that fenugreek seems to be influencial in the production of progestins if I'm not mistaken. I'll go back and look, and perhaps meantime someone here who is clearer on it can reiterate.

Perhaps the exact reason why it works may not be entirely clear, but I hope to get to a point where we can make some very positive movement in following up on more technical aspects.

There are overlap areas as well where certain hormones like testosterone in combination with progestins can halt sperm production, which is one of the factors highly considered to be influencial in the cause of alergic reactions.

But, also, we have still seen effects of hormones like progesterone and or testosterone, whether from natural sources or not, that drastically reduce POIS symptoms and which don;t seem to be associated to the "allergy theory".

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 01, 2011, 02:54:46 PM



Many Naked Science POIS discussions about fenugreek here!
http://www.google.com/search?q=fenugreek+POIS+site:http://thenakedscientists.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari


and garlic!...............................................................................
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=1puWTd34BovUtQOPv7TLBQ&ved=0CBMQvgUoAA&q=garlic+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A//thenakedscientists.com&nfpr=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a9acdcd2312857c2




Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 01, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
I've also noticed that garlic helps my POIS. I've found that garlic milk made from adding crushed garlic cloves to a glass of milk is a natural remedy for nerve pain and this also seems to help me. It also makes me ponder the effect POIS has on the nervous system.

I think I'll order some fenugreek now since I have yet to try it.

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 01, 2011, 10:49:22 PM

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.


VM, we thank you very much for sharing your future results with all of us!
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 01, 2011, 10:52:21 PM

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".


Dave, I'm glad that you understand the difference. I don't. Maybe no one really does fully? (Yet).
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 02, 2011, 08:11:01 AM

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".


Dave, I'm glad that you understand the difference. I don't. Maybe no one really does fully? (Yet).

Heh heh, that why I said "for my money" since I don't have much..... I don't havemuch to loose!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Hoping on April 02, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
Hi! I would like to introduce myself as one young man who must show you gratitude, because i have read your post in the naked scientist forum several weeks ago and that has helped me a lot!(I discovered it from a news article about "sex can make men sick" from late Januray). Well, i think i could have POIS because i had the symptoms after every Orgasm since i was 18-19 YR maybe, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I think there must be several factors about this syndrome, and a good sleep and sunny days usually diminishes the severity.
I began to take garlic cloves and the result was immediate... specially with the brain fog *AFTER* the orgasm. If you take them *BEFORE* you have less (-70,80%) POIS symptoms after O, at least in my case. And then, was Fenugreek´s time. Seriously, it´s amazing. Taking it, AFTER or BEFORE the orgasm(i take only 1 capsule), i have experienced no POIS. Moreover, If you try to take FENUGREEK+Garlic it gives you a more enhanced mind and an increase of cognitive functions(and i am talking about this after and before orgasm, it doesn´t matter).

I want to thank you about this, because it´s for sure that i would never get this genial idea from my own. This forum and the other will be useful for more people, i hope. :)

Observer, what brand and amount of Fenugreek do you take?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 02, 2011, 07:24:00 PM

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.


VM, we thank you very much for sharing your future results with all of us!

And I thank you for all the work you've done with this group, Demo. The organization and support you've supplied is truly amazing. Without you perhaps none of this would be possible.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 03, 2011, 03:10:17 PM
Vincent Marcus, thank you! That was so kind and generous of you!
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 04, 2011, 06:34:14 AM
Observer, what brand and amount of Fenugreek do you take?

I bought a Soria Natural Fenugreek capsules (Spanish brand) and i take one capsule after the O. (550 mg). I have read in the naked forum that is better to take it before, but i have noticed relief(or NO-POIS)of my symptons taking it after the O. From what i´ve read other people takes it before+after 1 or 2 capsules. Hope it works for you  :) .
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 04, 2011, 06:58:15 AM
Observer,

What category would you tend to put your symptoms in? Cognitive, Flu-like or both?

And if you tend to have both, does Fenugreek seem to help both equally?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 04, 2011, 08:25:10 AM
Observer,

What category would you tend to put your symptoms in? Cognitive, Flu-like or both?

And if you tend to have both, does Fenugreek seem to help both equally?

I tend to have both, maybe cognitive are more stronger than flu-like symptoms. Fenugreek seems to help with both( i feel like more energized without any cognitive symptoms, certainly not flu-like symptoms), and garlic helps with cognitive symptoms (brain-fog) but the snoozing/tiredness remains in some way.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 04, 2011, 09:23:25 AM
I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 04, 2011, 12:07:50 PM
I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)

You can try to look for Alholva, the spanish name for Fenugreek (or "Fenogreco"). I want to share with you something that is happening to me when i take fenugreek. I remember to have read something about it, but i think this is remarkable. The O. are being less intense under Fenugreek. It seems the less intense the Orgasm, no POIS efects follow. I´m sure: Fenugreek is working for me(Until now 4 times, has worked on all of them), but orgasm is not longer what it was.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 04, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
What a trade off! Always something. But hey!

Perhaps one could relax for a good while with the relief caused by the Fenugreek, and then stop for a couple of "good ones", even if they produce POIS, and then trade back and forth as you like.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 04, 2011, 12:35:19 PM
Are these less intense orgasms also less pleasurable? That would be really good for me since I can rarely go a day without an O and if the Os were less pleasurable then I might have the willpower to refrain more often.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 04, 2011, 05:47:20 PM
Are these less intense orgasms also less pleasurable? That would be really good for me since I can rarely go a day without an O and if the Os were less pleasurable then I might have the willpower to refrain more often.

The answer to your question is Yes, they are less pleasurable(In fact i mean that when i said "less intense") . I would want to know if someone has reported the same phenomenon on the other forum (naked scientist), and if there are some arguments of what could be going on with fenugreek. Personally, i don´t bother to have less pleasurable orgasms as the price to pay to not have POIS, in fact you don´t have more sexual urges having this kind of orgasm. I will report if I experience some change. As I said, I would like to know if someone has feel this way after taking Fenugreek. Hope this helps.  :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 05, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
I don't know if anyone has reported that effect with fenugreek yet, but I haven't read all the posts at the naked scientists forum on fenugreek. Once I start my experiment with it in about a week I'll be able to let you know if it has that effect on me though. I'll make a point to look out for it.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 06, 2011, 05:06:01 PM
My Fenugreek Pills arrived today. I just took two 620mg pills and oddly I seemed to feel a tinge of pain relief just a few seconds after swallowing them and that slight tinge has lasted for about 10 or 20 minutes now. I'm gonna chalk it down to placebo, but still it seems to have relieved almost as much pain as if I just ate a clove of garlic except the relief seems to be lasting longer. Obviously it's gonna be a while before I get any real results though.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 08, 2011, 02:23:35 PM
Today is my third day on fenugreek and I've noticed that 3 of my Os have been significantly less intense than usual. Yesterday when I woke up I had an O that was about 50% the intensity and time of a normal O for me then later that night I had an O that barely seemed like one at all since it probably only lasted about 10% of the usual time of an O for me. Then this morning I had one that was about 70% normal. In the past 3 days I have had about 4 to 6 other normal Os however. The less intense Os don't cause as much POIS as normal ones do.

I think I am feeling a very slight amount of pain relief and energy boost still, but it is still hard to tell for sure.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 08, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Something's gotta be working, becasue if I had that many Os in such a short period of time, I'd be dead!

Without Fenugreek can you have that many Os and still walk around?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 08, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Today is my third day on fenugreek and I've noticed that 3 of my Os have been significantly less intense than usual. Yesterday when I woke up I had an O that was about 50% the intensity and time of a normal O for me then later that night I had an O that barely seemed like one at all since it probably only lasted about 10% of the usual time of an O for me. Then this morning I had one that was about 70% normal. In the past 3 days I have had about 4 to 6 other normal Os however. The less intense Os don't cause as much POIS as normal ones do.

I think I am feeling a very slight amount of pain relief and energy boost still, but it is still hard to tell for sure.

The same is happening to me, i had another "normal" Os, and i agree with you in your conclusion. Fenugreek continues to work for me, but these days i caught a cold, and i don´t know if this is resulting in some erratic behaviour in my body; because one day the fenugreek didn´t seem to work ( i took the second capsule hours later and the relief was nearly instantaneous), and other day worked very well, but i was very agitated/couldn´t sleep well after taking it(just before taking medication to alleviate the symptoms of the cold), like a shot of adrenaline... the POIS and cold symptoms disappeared  but i couldn´t sleep in 2 hours.
I suggest you to continue with fenugreek, but trying to reduce the frecuency of your orgasms to not have POIS symptoms when you have one. Hope it works for you  :).
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 09, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
Yeah unfortunately I usually have about 3 to 5 Os a day these days. I rarely leave my bed. I've tried to control the number of Os in the past, but the effort was ultimately futile. I'm not sure if my testosterone is too high or if my refraction period is just abnormally short, but my muscle tone has always been above average so I assume it's high testosterone.

I'm going to finish off this bottle of fenugreek then probably try relora after.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vandemolen on April 09, 2011, 08:01:04 AM
I use Fenugreek 2 weeks now. But it doesn't seem to help. I will finish the pills I have and give it a next try.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Hoping on April 09, 2011, 08:56:05 PM
Yeah unfortunately I usually have about 3 to 5 Os a day these days. I rarely leave my bed. I've tried to control the number of Os in the past, but the effort was ultimately futile. I'm not sure if my testosterone is too high or if my refraction period is just abnormally short, but my muscle tone has always been above average so I assume it's high testosterone.

I'm going to finish off this bottle of fenugreek then probably try relora after.

Wow. If I experience one to two orgasms in a WEEK, I can't function for about two weeks. Are you serious about the frequency of your orgasms? If you do indeed have POIS, why are you doing that to yourself?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 10, 2011, 09:06:55 AM
I can't really help it. The temptation is too much to resist. However I believe my recovery rate is also slightly faster than many here as if I go 3 or 4 days without an O I get a crazy burst of energy and all my symptoms nearly vanish, but I rarely have the self control to reach that point anymore. Honestly I don't know how you guys go so many days without an O, but I assume it's something I can only correct with drugs or herbal supplements.

Also it could perhaps be an addiction to masturbation caused or amplified by my social anxiety...maybe. Either way I think I'd be in better shape if I found a way to drastically reduce my sex drive.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 10, 2011, 10:00:23 AM

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)


You'd be surprised by how much The General Store in Chile carries!

They've expanded in recent years beyond just selling food, forks, and knives, and underwear! :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 10, 2011, 01:16:34 PM

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)


You'd be surprised by how much The General Store in Chile carries!

They've expanded in recent years beyond just selling food, forks, and knives, and underwear! :)

They ARE pretty cool. For the small size, it;s amazine the variety they have. Reminds me of when I liven in Germany (10 yrs old). The Gasthaus! which was their version of the corner store. A litle tyke, barely able to see above the counter, telling the owner that you want 1 of those, and 2 of these and a couple of this other.... How much is that? I've got 50 fennigs.....

Well it's pesos here, but I see it in my nephews eyes. Standing on tipie toes t reach the sour suckers.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 11, 2011, 10:54:25 PM
Just started using milk + half &half to wash down garlic. I'm lazy so I've just been eating the garlic by itself or chopping it into a glass of milk, but this method is much easier.

Not sure if Fenugreek is helping, but I'm continuing to take it.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on April 12, 2011, 01:28:50 AM

Something's gotta be working, becasue if I had that many Os in such a short period of time, I'd be dead!


Ditto!
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 12, 2011, 06:34:07 AM
I use Fenugreek 2 weeks now. But it doesn't seem to help. I will finish the pills I have and give it a next try.

When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vandemolen on April 12, 2011, 05:18:22 PM
When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??
One before and one after.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 17, 2011, 03:11:35 PM
When do you take it, after or before the Orgasm??
One before and one after.

Well i have some news for you on Fenugreek.
I have experienced 7-8 days ago a very bad POIS episode after my O. Its duration was about 2-3 days(the main effects). I had taken fenugreek only 20-30 min before the release. That didn´t work as well as i supposed. I took fenugreek later, but i experienced no improvement. Only garlic seemed to help my cognitive symptoms. But today i just had another O.(More than a week without one) 1 hour after taking fenugreek.

It´s happening again. The O. are less intense/pleasurable than they used to be, but no POIS or a little one follows(I feel very well right now).
I don´t know why the fenugreek worked the first times after the O. (maybe my POIS was no so harder) and the last time it didn´t work. I have to wait 1 hour to O. , maybe more after taking fenugreek to not have POIS . I didn´t know if someone have made before the correlation : LESS INTENSE Orgasm - LESS POIS symptoms???
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 18, 2011, 07:42:54 AM
So a simple summary seems to be that for you, taking Fenugreek at least an hour before orgasm helps a lot more?



Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2011, 08:37:19 PM
So a simple summary seems to be that for you, taking Fenugreek at least an hour before orgasm helps a lot more?


Well, i am making some "experiments" to watch what is happening when i took fenugreek before orgasm. I have to say that when i wake up this morning I feel some POIS symptoms (brain fog, cognitive). This doesn´t happened to me several weeks ago when i took the fenugreek before orgasm(I took it several hours before, i can´t recall the exact time), because no POIS followed. Today i have to take 1 garlic clove + 1 fenugreek at the morning, then the Fenugreek worked again for several hours. In the afternoon i have to take another because a mild POIS was appearing again. Now in the night it seems that the POIS has definitely gone.

There are for sure another factors in this problem, but I can say with major certainty some points about me:
- Fenugreek works better before the Orgasm. 1-2 pills, ( At least to 1 hour and half- 2 hours before any O. No POIS or a mild version of POIS will follow. You will know forehand based on the intensity of the O. (Less pleasurable O. means less POIS).
- Fenugreek seems to work better after the Orgasm when you are having mild POIS symptoms, not with an intense one when it doesn´t seem to work.
- Garlic cloves always work for me.


Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on April 19, 2011, 07:50:40 AM
OK, good "sleuthing". (what private investigators do for those of other language origins).

These investigations are difficult. There are so many coincidences, and variables. But we have to take careful "notes" and try to take everything into account. So we'll keep following the saga in hopes that the details clarify.

Thanks.

Anybody else with good garlic results, and or fenugreek garlic combos?

How do you manage the "odour" aspect of garlic. As I understand, even if you swallow a clove whole, it seeps out through the pores and breath once it's in the blood.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 19, 2011, 09:15:19 AM
Today is day 14 of fenugreek for me. I started eating one raw garlic clove with milk as well about day 6 of taking fenugreek. The effect of fenugreek was very slight which is why I added the garlic. Immediately after taking both my brain fog clears almost completely but comes back for the most part quickly, however I am noticing an overall improvement in all my symptoms. I've been taking two 620mg pills of fenugreek every morning and night, one clove of garlic in the morning, but I have to chew the garlic or else it doesn't work I've tried chopping it up and swallowing it but there is no noticeable effect that way.

I wonder has anyone tried snorting fenugreek or garlic or inhaling the odors? I notice when I smell the fenugreek pills the odor itself seems to wake me up and clear a tiny bit of brain fog.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: hurray on April 22, 2011, 05:27:34 AM
I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2011, 07:10:56 PM
I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach.

This could be the reason why I had a bad POIS episode 2 weeks ago after taking Fenugreek(because i was with an empty stomach). Today i had another O. and i took 2 fenugreek+1 garlic clove 1 hour before the O, but i just ate a lot. The O. was "intense" but POIS cognitive symptoms were greatly reduced. I have like a minor bad feeling in the front of the head, but never feel mentally drained. Can interact with other people normally and without problems, good mood, etc.

Daveman asked about the odour aspect of garlic. Of course i wash my mouth/teeth with anti-odor toothpaste every time i eat garlic(you must chew it as Vincent said). :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Yaniv on April 22, 2011, 10:09:33 PM
I do not know if that may be an interest to anyone, but actually, Fenugreek has been using as a 'sauce' or seasoning to soups - The following dish came originally from Yamen :
People make that dish by grinding the fenugreek grains - you put 3 spoons in a big bowl with not too much water, then after 12 hours it becomes a huge dough [The fenugreek has a very strong absorbing capabilities - maybe that related with the fact that it needs to be taken with full stomatch in order to help with pois] you shall add coriander, garlic, salt and cumin a bit lemon and then blend all the mixture. That, you may add to soup like I mentioned, giving it some good twist.
 ;)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: hurray on April 23, 2011, 03:28:17 AM
My (not very scientific) reasoning behind the difference between Fenugreek on an empty/full stomach is that on an empty stomach, it just gets burned by the body for energy - on a full stomach, the body has a chance to make optimal usage of the fenugreek (maybe as a hormonal precursor).

I've eaten Fenugreek curries - many Indian restaurants will sell you Aloo Methi (Methi=Fenugreek), but I've never tried a Fenugreek soup! It's been a popular food ingredient in Eastern countries for thousands of years, apparently, as well as being regarded as a medicine.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 26, 2011, 05:47:09 PM
Day 21 of fenugreek for me ( Day 15 fenugreek + Garlic). I've decided that this combination is a reliable method of lessening my POIS symptoms. After taking two fenugreek pills and a clove of garlic with some milk my eye burning almost always disappears for an hour or longer(not exactly sure yet *EDIT* today the effect lasted 3+ hrs) and all of my other symptoms are lessened slightly, but noticeably.

I've began taking my second dose around afternoon instead of before I go to bed because if I take it too late in the night the energy boost I get from it tends to keep me up later in the night. Also this works better because if I take a dose around 6am I think the effect wears off by the time noon arrives.

It's not a cure by any stretch of the imagination, but It's certainly a reliable treatment method that is worth the time and cost.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on April 27, 2011, 12:03:02 AM
I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach.

This could be the reason why I had a bad POIS episode 2 weeks ago after taking Fenugreek(because i was with an empty stomach). Today i had another O. and i took 2 fenugreek+1 garlic clove 1 hour before the O, but i just ate a lot. The O. was "intense" but POIS cognitive symptoms were greatly reduced. I have like a minor bad feeling in the front of the head, but never feel mentally drained. Can interact with other people normally and without problems, good mood, etc.

Daveman asked about the odour aspect of garlic. Of course i wash my mouth/teeth with anti-odor toothpaste every time i eat garlic(you must chew it as Vincent said). :)

Hey guys. I recently bought some Nature's Way fenugreek seed and Spring Valley Odorless Garlic both in capsule form. I now see that you guys are syaing that you need to chew the garlic. Are these forms good for expected treatment?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 27, 2011, 06:51:10 PM
I've only ever tried fenugreek pills so not sure there. I haven't tried garlic in capsule form before. I just know if I chop the garlic up and swallow it with water it doesn't do anything for me, but if I chew it it works.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 29, 2011, 10:20:26 AM
Just realized after trying normal whole milk that it doesn't work by itself to stop the garlic burning my mouth so I still have to add a bit of half & half to the whole milk.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on April 29, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
I've only ever tried fenugreek pills so not sure there. I haven't tried garlic in capsule form before. I just know if I chop the garlic up and swallow it with water it doesn't do anything for me, but if I chew it it works.

I think like Vincent, i have noticed that chewing the garlic(of course, i do it with water in the mouth and biting portions of garlic  ::)) and then swallowing helps more than just swallowing(It must be said, continues to work for my case).
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on April 30, 2011, 12:43:25 PM
Something odd just happened. I just had a completely dry orgasm and afterwards had no POIS symptoms at all. It was a definite orgasm, because I was masturbating, had the orgasm (felt completely normal), but it only lasted a fraction of the normal time an "O" lasts for me and now I don't have any sexual desire just as if I had a normal "O". I think it must be a result of the fenugreek since I've never had this happen before I took fenugreek. It might be due to the 2 garlic cloves I've been eating daily, but when I first started taking fenugreek I wasn't taking garlic and I was having less intense and shorter "O"s at that time so it's probably the fenugreek.

It's odd however that ever since I started eating garlic I haven't had any less intense or shorter "O"s until now.

On a side note it's day 19 of fenugreek + garlic for me and it's still working as well if not better than before.
Title: i have started raw garlic thing , i couldnt find tabs of feenugreek so can i eat
Post by: sameer7777 on May 01, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
i have started raw garlic thing , i couldn't find tabs of feenugreek so can i eat raw feenugreek any body else is doing it ??
if yes then how much ?????
one member drink crushed cloves of garlic in milk like a milk shake , so which is better eating it raw with milk or make a milk shake ???
and what are the effects i will get by taking raw garlic ????
i am starting 3 times a day ....
should i take it 1st thing in the morning after brushing ??
pls advice guys ...
thanks alot
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 02, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
Something odd just happened. I just had a completely dry orgasm and afterwards had no POIS symptoms at all.

Had an O. 48 hours ago after more than a week without any one. Just wanted to test what would be the result if i wait more between orgasms. Took 2 capsules of fenugreek after eating, just 1 hour before the O. and another later. It was a less intense orgasm, but not specially less intense. Just after the O. i could found the always rare feeling in my head, but when i didn´t take fenugreek it always turned on a significant brain fog, cognitive symptoms... this time i was feeling real good, like in the first times when i took fenugreek before the O. That seemed prety well, but just before waking up i had an NE(I couldn´t foresee this :( ) and i was affected during the last day. At the end, it seemed that today the symptoms have fairly gone. It seems that if you wait more between orgasm and you take the additional measures the POIS will be perfectly manageable, it will be greatly reduced. I will update on the next one, because i want to repeat this action but i hope that a nocturnal emission doesn´t happen again.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sameer7777 on May 02, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
great i wish u all the best ....
pls tell me what is nocturnal emission????
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 02, 2011, 03:49:54 PM
great i wish u all the best ....
pls tell me what is nocturnal emission????

A nocturnal emission involves either ejaculation during sleep for a male, or lubrication of the vagina for a female. It is also called a wet dream, and is sometimes considered a type of spontaneous orgasm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_emission
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 03, 2011, 11:05:49 AM
Today is my first day without fenugreek in about a month now because I ran out and I think I can already feel different without it. I feel less motivated to do things. I still had a clove of garlic this morning and that reduced a lot of my physical pain, but my concentration is more difficult today than it has been with fenugreek. Perhaps fenugreek somehow increased my production of neurotransmitters and that's why I felt more motivated with it. When I was on fenugreek I would be researching POIS and playing vidgames and searching for other entertainment, but right now I just want to lay down and sleep even though I got a full nights rest last night.

My relora will arrive in a few days.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sameer7777 on May 03, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
i wish i could buy feenugreek , but its not available here at all...
i might order it online than ....
it means feenugreek is great .....
i like to have sex but i am afraid of doing it .........
take care
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 03, 2011, 05:49:48 PM
Today is my first day without fenugreek in about a month now because I ran out and I think I can already feel different without it. I feel less motivated to do things. I still had a clove of garlic this morning and that reduced a lot of my physical pain, but my concentration is more difficult today than it has been with fenugreek. Perhaps fenugreek somehow increased my production of neurotransmitters and that's why I felt more motivated with it. When I was on fenugreek I would be researching POIS and playing vidgames and searching for other entertainment, but right now I just want to lay down and sleep even though I got a full nights rest last night.

My relora will arrive in a few days.

I think fenugreek has two efects:

- Clearing the brain fog and increasing the ability on focusing your mind; The motivation follows the last one. I am only taking fenugreek when i feel i had noticeable POIS symptoms(today i take 1 on the morning, tomorrow i hope to not take it anymore until a week.), but not regularly.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sameer7777 on May 03, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
can i take the seed , if i crushed it in powder ...... what do u say ???
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on May 04, 2011, 08:52:20 AM
can i take the seed , if i crushed it in powder ...... what do u say ???

The seed can be taken as is. Some have take 320mg in the morning and 320mg at night, others have taken 640 mg in the morning and at night.

You could start with 320 mg twice per day and move to 640mg twice per day.

You could try to isolate 1 gm and divide it in three to give 330mg for instance. 1gm is 1/29 of an ounce, if I remember well!

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 05, 2011, 02:12:59 AM
Yeah the fenugreek in my pills is just crushed fenugreek seed. So if you crushed your own seeds it would probably even be better than the stuff I have.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: hurray on May 10, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
can i take the seed , if i crushed it in powder ...... what do u say ???

You certainly can - this is exactly what I do. I bought a large supply of fenugreek leaves and seeds from an Indian food wholesalers. If you have an Indian restaurant nearby, simply walk in and ask them where they buy their "kasoori methi" from - that's what I did, and they told me where I could buy some supplies.

After experimenting, I bought a small food blender - I fill it up with leaves and seeds, and after a couple of minutes I have a powder almost identical in color and consistency to the Fenugreek supplements I used to buy, and for a small fraction of the price.

Take a spoonful after a meal and you are good to go!
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 11, 2011, 07:34:21 PM
hurray, do you think the fenugreek you use now works better than the fenugreek capsules?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
Yesterday i took 2 fenugreek capsules before orgasm, but the orgasm was not caused by masturbation, it was caused by sexual intercourse. I had an ejaculation before engaging in the sexual intercourse due to my excitement  ::)("premature ejaculation" due to the fact i was 10 days without any orgasm plus excitment), then more later i had the sexual intercourse and i couldn´t reach the orgasm during the intercourse after long time, so i decided to not have another orgasm. I feel today tired, but more for the fact that i didn´t sleep more than 1 hour, but i didn´t feel any brain fog. I will report how i feel tomorrow, but today, it seems that POIS is less intense after engaging in sexual intercourse with a woman(which i love  :) ) than after masturbation. I don´t know if the run-up to excitment has something to do with this, but i think it´s an interesting fact for me.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 13, 2011, 03:41:52 AM
my online girlfriend will be visiting in about a month so hopefully i should be able to provide some info on whether sex affects me differently than masturbation.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2011, 10:49:34 AM
my online girlfriend will be visiting in about a month so hopefully i should be able to provide some info on whether sex affects me differently than masturbation.

Today it seems i am feeling the POIS i hadn´t yesterday. Fortunately, fenugreek + garlic is helping me a lot like it usually does.  I am wondering about the effect the Sun has on POIS(Vitamin D??), because it seems that when the days are sunny, my POIS is less intense, but when they are darker POIS is more hard. Today it has been sunny occasionally and in that moment i feel better of my cognitive symptoms. I would like to know if someone has reported the same about this.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on May 13, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
Sun definitly has a positive effect for me.

I live where spring and fall are short and summer is about 5 months of 32C (90F) with cloudless skies. I'm much better in summer.

But there's another factor to consider, especially with soft tissue inflamation, and that is weather systems. I caught on to weather systems in relating to my neck and joint symptoms before I related symptoms to POIS.

A low pressuer system 1 to 2 days out can beging to wreak havoc. As the system approaches, it gets worse, up until it arrives. For me, when the rain actually arrives, I start to feel better already.

Also certain combinations of cold and humidity can have affect.

But, I'd say, that sun has a big part. Even with good weather in winter, I'm more susceptible.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 14, 2011, 11:25:02 PM
I also think it's not just sunlight but also weather systems since i feel better in the summer even though i rarely go outside.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on May 15, 2011, 10:45:32 PM
Hey guys, I have been wondering abotu a couple of things. I tried fenugreek and garlic before and after orgasm for hte first time. I do notice a clearer mind and am less fatigued than usual. I still do have some symptoms though.

I am taking fenugreek capsules and garlic capsules. Is fenugreek and garlic something your body can get used to or dependent on, Do you ever have to bump up the consumption dose ?

Also, I have a mucher harder time getting up the day after orgasm, I am very absent minded in bed and no sense of urgency when the alarm clock goes off. The morning after is probably the worst. Can anybody else relate to this.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Ccconfucius on May 16, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
hell yes especially when i only get three hours of sleep and i have to go to work, am always late to work when i have to go in the early morning,i know i am going to get in trouble and i dont even care anymore, it is hard to wake up when i get 10 hrs it becomes extremely hard when it is only three.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 16, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
I don't know if your body can build up a tolerance to fenugreek. I tried it for a month and it had the same effect every time. I'm currently starting a longer trial on it now.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: hurray on May 19, 2011, 08:26:27 AM
I'm glad to hear you've been having some success with fenugreek, Vincent. I don't think that it ever stopped working for me - sure, it doesn't completely eliminate the symptoms, but my POIS symptoms now range from tolerable to almost insignificant - they used to vary between nightmarish and tolerable (symptoms mostly cognitive).

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 22, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
3 months after i discovered i probably had POIS my life has improved due to the NSF and this forum. Now i can fight against the symptoms with a wide range of options and POIS doesn´t haunt me like it used to.
Yesterday i had two O´s and was feeling with intense POIS and decided to go after all and i took 3 capsules of fenugreek. POIS was strongly reduced , today it has dissappeared 90%. This was unthinkable before discovering what was happening to me. I think the next step is to talk with some doctor about the condition, but i don´t know if it´s better to wait until more news about the syndrome. I live in Spain so i would want to ask you if someone knows some doctor here; could send me a PM if he wants.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Starsky on May 24, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."

I think it could somehow explain why its helping for POIS.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on May 24, 2011, 07:13:50 PM
Hey guys, since I have taken fenugreek + garlic I have noticed miled relief in everyday symptoms. I find that orgasms may be less intense and therefore the brain fog is less intense, but I also have been noticing less pleasure/creativity/caring in every life since I have started taking it. Has anybody else experienced this? Also, has anybody gotten relief from fenugreek + garlic on days outside of POIS?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on May 24, 2011, 07:14:55 PM
Of course 30% feeding concentration is incredibly high. But yes, I have heard of the influence over progerterone production. Some medical cases have also indicated that progesterone does tend to relieve POIS syptoms.

I have been thinking about combining it in combinations with testosterone or testosterone enhancers to reduce sperm production, emulating a successful male anticonceptive formula.

100% sper reduction can be accomplished with specific combinations of testosterone and progestins. Perhaps with natural stimulators such as fenugreek, we may not be able to duplicate the effectivity, but come clode enough.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: hurray on May 25, 2011, 04:23:30 AM
Hey guys, since I have taken fenugreek + garlic I have noticed miled relief in everyday symptoms. I find that orgasms may be less intense and therefore the brain fog is less intense, but I also have been noticing less pleasure/creativity/caring in every life since I have started taking it. Has anybody else experienced this? Also, has anybody gotten relief from fenugreek + garlic on days outside of POIS?

I noticed that it makes my driving skills deteriorate slightly (although POIS makes driving much more difficult) and I become a lot more sociable. This continues in and out of POIS. Fenugreek seems to have anti-anxiety properties, at least for me.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 25, 2011, 06:40:02 AM

I noticed that it makes my driving skills deteriorate slightly (although POIS makes driving much more difficult) and I become a lot more sociable. This continues in and out of POIS. Fenugreek seems to have anti-anxiety properties, at least for me.

I have noticed the same effects. It makes you more sociable.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 25, 2011, 04:13:15 PM
In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals.

Perhaps fenugreek reduces POIS because it reduces sperm production? This could be a very big piece of information about fenugreek and further evidence that reducing sperm production can lessen POIS symptoms.

Has Demo tried fenugreek? I seem to remember him saying it didn't work for him, but not sure. If it didn't work for him maybe it's because he was already producing no sperm. EDIT- He just said he hasn't tried it yet.

Also this might explain why sometimes my orgasms were less intense and even dry in one case while taking fenugreek.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vandemolen on May 25, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 25, 2011, 06:03:08 PM
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.

Vandemolen, how often do you have an "O"? I'm looking for a connection between those whom fenugreek works for and those it doesn't.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vandemolen on May 25, 2011, 06:06:32 PM
In the last months: I think 2 or 3 times a month. I want to spend some POIS-free days. That's why. :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on May 25, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect.

I can say with 100% certainty that it is not a placebo effect in my case.

I want to share with you what happened to me yesterday. I ate at the dinner soy meat or vege meat plus a big salad. Then i took two capsules of Fenugreek. I had an orgasm on the night(1-2 hours after) due to sexual intercourse, but it was a weak orgasm( maybe 10% of intensity? of normal ones). I woke up on the morning with NO POIS(normal sleep 7 hours). POIS has not appeared during the day, except with 10-20% when i drank sugar drinks plus junk food at lunch and it dissappeared in less than 2 hours. I didn´t take more fenugreek after the O. and i feel incredibly well. I am thinking that the combination of big amount of quality food/good diet without junk food plus 2 Fenugreek capsules(fenugreek works better with full stomach) has scored one big victory against POIS.

One year ago, after i had an Orgasm i have to battle the symptoms, specially the brain fog , slow and negative thougths during 3-4-5 days. So i consider what  happened to me yesterday/today a big achievement in this battle. :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 25, 2011, 06:36:28 PM

I can say with 100% certainty that it is not a placebo effect in my case.


Ditto.

Also I can say that I am able to masturbate much less while on fenugreek, and I can last longer when I do masturbate. Without fenugreek I "O" about 3-4 times a day on average, but sometimes as many as 6 or 7 times. On fenugreek I only "O" a max of 3 times a day-usually once in the morning and once at night. Additionally POIS symptoms are significantly reduced (perhaps about 30% reduced)

Edit- I suspect fenugreek also reduces my appetite, but that could just be the milk & half & half I drink with the garlic.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on May 27, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
Why does fenugreek work for brain fog?

I understand that it may increase progesterone, but what does that have to do with the brain?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on May 28, 2011, 08:41:43 AM
I know most of you don't see how "allergy" can produce cognitive problems, but it has been shown that meningial inflamation has effects over the nervous system, system wide, including the brain.

The "protective covering of nerves pathways including the brain itself" is the meningis.

So one potential reason that progesterone can reduce brain-fog is by the elimination/reduction of sperm being introduced into the bloodstream through the "gap".

Another potential reason is similar, by modifying / stopping / breaking the hormonal chain which begins the sperm production cycle. There are suspicions that components like LH/FSH (hormonal control signals from higher up) or others can be allergens somehow in our system, or can provoke the secretion of new/different protiens / cytokines that react against the auto-immune system.

All sounds pretty general, and coming from a complete layman, but this POIS thing has shown to be a pretty slippery devil, so we can't expect the answer to be to straightforward.

The good news is that we are attracting serious investigators, who have much greater clues as to the why of all of this.


Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on June 02, 2011, 11:52:11 PM
Thats very interesting, Daveman. Thanks for the response.

I will be getting some testing done next week and I will keep eveyrone updated. Is it alright to take fenugreek and/or garlic on days when im doing blood work or will the results be altered because of it?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on June 03, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
I suspect that they would be altered.

It would be a great test to do a before and after with fenugreek!! Someone?

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Jon on June 04, 2011, 12:37:18 AM
Thats a good idea, Daveman. I think I will try and do that.

I just hope I can function on the day of the appointment since I wont be taking fenugreek. How long before the appointment should I stop taking it so it can get out of my system?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on June 04, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
It seems to have a fairly immediate effect, so one would imagine that it would pass rapidly too.

Maybe give it two days, so as not to suffer too much.

And when you do the test with take it about 1 to 1 1/2 hr. B4 the extraccion of blood. with hopefully a couple of day of taking it behind you.



Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sameer7777 on June 05, 2011, 05:52:28 AM
guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on June 05, 2011, 08:15:33 AM
I don't think many pharmacies would have it. It's not a drug per se. It's more likely to be found in natural remedies stores or certainly in food or spice supplies for indian restaurants. Ask an indian food restaurant where they get their fenugreek seeds, or spice. It's probably a pain to find it the first time, but once found.... you can probably purchase a kilo at once if you want to.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on June 06, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
sameer is it possible for you to order it online and have it shipped to your address?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vandemolen on June 17, 2011, 05:00:04 PM
Ditto.

Also I can say that I am able to masturbate much less while on fenugreek, and I can last longer when I do masturbate. Without fenugreek I "O" about 3-4 times a day on average, but sometimes as many as 6 or 7 times. On fenugreek I only "O" a max of 3 times a day-usually once in the morning and once at night. Additionally POIS symptoms are significantly reduced (perhaps about 30% reduced)

Edit- I suspect fenugreek also reduces my appetite, but that could just be the milk & half & half I drink with the garlic.
I bought a new box of fenugreek. I will try it today if it works. On the box I bought they say that fenugreek gives you MORE appetite.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on June 17, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Hey Sameer, fenugreek is methi. :D
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: UnderstandingPois on June 17, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
Fenugreek is a yellow colored seed of a green leafy vegetable. It is bitter in taste and is used for flavor and nutrition in food.

Nutrition Facts and Information about Fenugreek: Fenugreek is rich in potassium, phosphorus, magnesium and calcium. It has good amount of iron and sodium with small amount of zinc, copper, manganese and selenium.

Vitamin Content of Fenugreek: Fenugreek has good amount of Vitamin C with small amount of Vitamin A, B6, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin and folate.

Calorie Content of Fenugreek: 100g of fenugreek has 323 calories. Calories from fat are 54.

Health Benefits of Fenugreek: Fenugreek cures constipation, diabetes, digestive tract irritation, indigestion, leg ulcers, muscle pain, tuberculosis, wounds, poor appetite, gout, inflamed lymph glands and also lowers the blood pressure.

i dont know maybe because it is like a multivitamin?

anyway i wonder if when you get a blood test does it show vitamin c? cause the body doesent make it , and only is in your body for about 12 hours.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on June 18, 2011, 03:45:51 AM
Fenugreek actually reduces my appetite by a lot actually. Before I started taking fenugreek + garlic I always wanted to be munching on something and now I eat like one full meal and a couple snacks a day.

But let's see today is June 18 and I started this trial May 12... so fenugreek plus garlic has been providing consistent relief for me a bit more than a month now. I started with the Solaray brand and now am taking the Nature's Way brand cuz I guess I ordered the wrong one, but it still works just as well.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Bream on June 19, 2011, 11:07:51 AM
I read this interesting article about fenugreek today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2005453/Herbs-used-curries-spice-things-bedroom.html

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It’s not clear how the herb works, but fenugreek seeds contain bioactive compounds which may have some effect on hormone levels because they are rich in compounds called saponins, including one called diosgenin. Research suggests this may be involved in the production of a number of sex hormones.

‘It probably works to increase testosterone or androgen levels, which decrease with age,’ says Dr Raj Persad, consultant neurologist. ‘If it’s proven to be safe, this is good news. Men with good sexual health live longer than those who without.’

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Starsky on June 20, 2011, 10:28:16 AM


Health Benefits of Fenugreek: Fenugreek cures constipation, diabetes, digestive tract irritation, indigestion, leg ulcers, muscle pain, tuberculosis, wounds, poor appetite, gout, inflamed lymph glands and also lowers the blood pressure.



i think it is my major problem. I become every time lymph nodes swollen.. i think i must give it a chance.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on June 30, 2011, 08:38:54 AM


LONDON/BERLIN June 30 (Reuters) - Imported fenugreek seeds from Egypt may be the source of highly toxic E. coli outbreaks in Germany and France that have killed at least 48 people, according to initial investigations by European scientists.
More than 4,000 people across Europe and in North America have been infected in the deadliest outbreak of E. coli so far recorded, which started in early May. Almost all of those sickened lived in Germany or had recently travelled there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/ecoli-europe-egypt-idUSL6E7HU0EZ20110630

Just wanted you to know, to take care about the fenugreek you are buying.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Ccconfucius on June 30, 2011, 12:45:42 PM
how many cloves of garlic do you guys recommend i gust ate 3/4 of  a bulb that to much.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: omen on July 01, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
i tried fenugreek while in pois....it helps,but makes me aggressive...
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on July 01, 2011, 10:11:59 AM
i tried fenugreek while in pois....it helps,but makes me aggressive...

Fenugreek changees the hormonal balance. It may be that it could take a little while to adapt to the difference, on the other hand perhaps not.

We have seen in other tests with hormones themselves like testosterone and or progestins (and among those influenced by fenugreek), and which supposedly should have positivie effects over POIS, that some people have other excessive side effects. It's complicated.

In male contraceptive recipies (which show promise for POIS relief),  most of these side effects have been resolved, but they are still working on perfectioning the recipies for larger numbers.

Obviously fenugreek is not a precise formula, and one may or may not adapt well to any side effects. What is important is knowing exactly WHAT is it's influencing factor, and therefore understanding more precisely the mechanism behind POIS.

IF we can manage to relieve symptoms in the process, all the better.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: omen on July 01, 2011, 11:48:32 AM
i have got terrible cold,cough and sore throat because yesterday i had cold drinks and icecreams...
i have noticed that whenever i have coldrinks and icecreams when i am in pois i catch cold...
and when i am normal i can have lots and lots and it doesnt matter at all....
maybe pois weakens my immune system terribly...
since years i had been suffering from cold whenever i have cold drinks and i thought i was allergic to it but now i think thats not the case...
since some time i have been exploring things about my system...wow...
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on July 02, 2011, 02:34:11 AM
how many cloves of garlic do you guys recommend i gust ate 3/4 of  a bulb that to much.

I generally have one clove in the morning and one in the afternoon/evening. I've heard that eating too much garlic can cause stomach pain.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on July 02, 2011, 11:30:50 AM


LONDON/BERLIN June 30 (Reuters) - Imported fenugreek seeds from Egypt may be the source of highly toxic E. coli outbreaks in Germany and France that have killed at least 48 people, according to initial investigations by European scientists.
More than 4,000 people across Europe and in North America have been infected in the deadliest outbreak of E. coli so far recorded, which started in early May. Almost all of those sickened lived in Germany or had recently travelled there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/ecoli-europe-egypt-idUSL6E7HU0EZ20110630

Just wanted you to know, to take care about the fenugreek you are buying.

Would be good to post this on the other forum too.

Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Starsky on July 03, 2011, 07:19:36 AM
Am I safe if i have capsulated pulver ? From puritans pride
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Bulls eye on July 05, 2011, 07:13:06 PM


LONDON/BERLIN June 30 (Reuters) - Imported fenugreek seeds from Egypt may be the source of highly toxic E. coli outbreaks in Germany and France that have killed at least 48 people, according to initial investigations by European scientists.
More than 4,000 people across Europe and in North America have been infected in the deadliest outbreak of E. coli so far recorded, which started in early May. Almost all of those sickened lived in Germany or had recently travelled there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/ecoli-europe-egypt-idUSL6E7HU0EZ20110630

Just wanted you to know, to take care about the fenugreek you are buying.

Would be good to post this on the other forum too.

Thanks for the heads-up.




I want to add that boiling the seeds is a sure method of killing e.coli
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Bulls eye on July 05, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............

you'll find it in dietary supplements pills that enhances lactation for women
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: omen on July 07, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............

you'll find it in dietary supplements pills that enhances lactation for women
in india fenugreek seeds are available almost in every area in small grocery stores..we use it in our daily meals especially in DAL that we have with RICE...
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Bulls eye on July 07, 2011, 05:50:00 PM
guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............

you'll find it in dietary supplements pills that enhances lactation for women
in india fenugreek seeds are available almost in every area in small grocery stores..we use it in our daily meals especially in DAL that we have with RICE...

Yes its very well known , but i thought he may not like the taste of seeds so he wanted to use tablets

Fenugreek + Garlic does work !! it pulls me from severe POIS to what its like at 3 - 4 days after O , not complete recovery but it sure helps
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on July 11, 2011, 12:13:18 AM
guys i cannot feenu greek at my pharmacy , they told me to show it to them , so guys pls send me the pic of feenugreek bottles you guys taking that could help me , thanks ............
Hmmm...dal and rice sounds good right now...

you'll find it in dietary supplements pills that enhances lactation for women
in india fenugreek seeds are available almost in every area in small grocery stores..we use it in our daily meals especially in DAL that we have with RICE...
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on August 09, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
Lately I've been taking two 620mg fenugreek pills in the afternoon with a cup of black tea and the tea seems to magnify the effect of fenugreek for me, giving me the extra push I need to get through the rest of the day. I still take garlic with fenugreek in the morning and that is still working consistently to reduce my POIS.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on August 24, 2011, 09:46:49 AM
"In a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study, the scientists found that daily supplements containing an extract from fenugreek appeared to enhance male libido and normalize testosterone levels."

http://www.naturalnews.com/031875_fenugreek_natural_viagra.html
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Willem on August 24, 2011, 11:53:45 AM
Very interesting!  Thanks for posting. 
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on August 30, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
Fenugreek and Garlic also continue to work for me. Fenugreek will prevent POIS just after the orgasm. It seems that POIS will appear more weaker than it would do without fenugreek in the next hours following an orgasm. I have found the key to eliminate POIS more fast is to eat a lot of vegetables/fruits and do not eat sugar, ,desserts and also red meat specially. I hope to try Niacin tablets (with flush) the next week.

Another specially interesting result that has worked for me every time is that Garlic prevents Premature Ejaculation.
 I suggest you to eat 1,2 raw garlic cloves just before sexual intercourse(and then wash your teeth, of course ;D ) and you will see a big improvement on this matter.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on September 03, 2011, 03:26:49 PM
I want to recall what has happened to me with my last POIS episode(I had an O. 8 days ago)

I followed the usual steps:  I took some fruit plus two fenugreek pills and then had the O. after intercourse.
Day 0 - 70% less POIS in the morning, just after the O. In the afternoon i ate some bread and had a significant increase of brain fog. I took some garlic cloves plus fenugreek that helped me to diminish to maybe 50% intensity of brain fog again.
Day 1- 60-70% less POIS again.
Day 2 - 80% less POIS.
Day 3,4- 90% less POIS, i could see the light at the end of the tunel.
Day 5 - No POIS symptoms, i felt really, really well.
Day 6- I ate an "english breakfast", and i realized that the sausage i was eating resulted in a POIS comeback. I felt terrible during that day due to an overwhelming  Brain-fog, that i tried to combat with garlic+goji berries+fenugreek and it passed away on the night. This shocked me because i thought that POIS was definitely gone for this time.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on September 03, 2011, 05:53:23 PM
I wouldn't doubt that the sausage had some form of MSG or preservative, which are notorious POIS antagonists.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: storygeekz on December 06, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
Hello fellow sufferers,

I've  been keeping track of you guys discussions slilently for a while. I say the most helpful thing for me is to take 3-5 cloves of garlic after O. Then do the same for the meal after O. Take garlic during the meal. After digesting the meal, I jog for a bit to circulate garlic in my body. I completely heal the next day. The same day I feel 60% healed.

Before I used to have agonizing brain fog for 4 days and it would dissaper after the 7th day. I'm so glad I came across your guy's suggestion of taking raw garlic.

I never tried garlic supplements. Taking fenugreek with garlic makes healing better.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on December 06, 2011, 11:48:15 PM
Have you tried the exercise iwthout the garlic?  I wonder to what extent the exercise is helping the healing process.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: storygeekz on December 11, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Exercise alone does little to help.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: MrMoonJr on January 28, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
Im lucky enough to come from a city where we have two natural medicine stores :D. I bought some fenugreek yesterday. The company is "Nature's way" and it comes in 610mg capsules. Its interesting, on the bottle it says the following

"Increase breast milk production. Warning: Do not use if you are taking monoamine oxidase inhibitors"

Ill try a half of a pill after eating lunch. Had an 0 about 2 hrs ago, so we shall see if any effect happens. Ill post with results, Thanks Guys
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: MrMoonJr on January 29, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Had a pill with my lunch yesterday. Little relief of brain fog 20 mins total. Had another with supper, No relief. Went to bed with nausea, and woke up this morning with high level brain fog. ):

I had to take 610 mg pills at a time. I couldnt split them in half, they came in a gelatin capsule. I will keep trying though and let you know how it goes
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on January 30, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
MrMoonJr, you should take the fenugreek with garlic or tea. That's the only way I really feel the effect. Garlic tablets work okay for me, but I think fresh garlic works better.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: MrMoonJr on January 30, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
Can I have fenugreek with just a plain green tea?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on January 31, 2012, 10:35:05 AM
Yes, plain green tea is what I use actually. I usually swallow 2-3 fenugreek pills (mine are 610 or 620mg) with water and then drink a mug of green tea right after.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: 0002ppdnuos on May 21, 2012, 12:00:08 AM
I couldn't find fenugreek tablet in my place, but I managed to buy some fenugreek powder made of its seeds.
I'm wondering how I should take it. Could fenugreek be eaten raw? Can I just use the fenugreek powder as topping for my toasts in the morning the same way I did for the garlic minces? Thanks.
[edited] erm, I found it here: http://www.livingnow.com.au/advertise/articles/18-health-and-healing/4124-its-all-fenugreek-to-me.html
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Daveman on May 21, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
I couldn't find fenugreek tablet in my place, but I managed to buy some fenugreek powder made of its seeds.
I'm wondering how I should take it. Could fenugreek be eaten raw? Can I just use the fenugreek powder as topping for my toasts in the morning the same way I did for the garlic minces? Thanks.
[edited] erm, I found it here: http://www.livingnow.com.au/advertise/articles/18-health-and-healing/4124-its-all-fenugreek-to-me.html

Also, as I understand it you can fond it in Indian Food supply outlets.
I believe it's called kasoori methi, or probably recognized as fenugreek too.
In seeds or ground. Measured by weight.

Should be able to be eaten as powder or seeds. I don't remember the doses, but they're here on the forum in various threads. Search for fenugreek on the site maybe to get a starting direction for where to look.

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 21, 2012, 07:46:19 PM
Yup, and the fenugreek powder in the capsules I have is raw so it's fine to just eat it plain if you want.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: 0002ppdnuos on May 22, 2012, 05:30:07 AM
I mixed a teaspoon of fenugreek powder into my morning coffee, and drink it while eating my toasts topped with garlic minces and low-sugar blueberry jam. I feel energetic whole day, mentally and physically. This is day one of my fenugreek + garlic trial. I wish the effect lasts forever. The morning coffee tastes like curry though (that I dislike).

Besides, I ate some dark chocolate (41% cocoa) last night. Wondering if the chocolate helps a little as well.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: 0002ppdnuos on May 23, 2012, 04:50:39 AM
Day two of garlic + fenugreek trial. It works.  :-'(
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 27, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Day two of garlic + fenugreek trial. It works.  :-'(


fenugreek + garlic has been working to reduce much of my POIS for over a year now. I'm glad it seems to be helping you.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: 0002ppdnuos on May 28, 2012, 05:11:56 PM
Following is a summary of my latest fenugreek + garlic (F&G) trial:
25/5:
26/5:
27/5:
28/5:
29/5:

In conclusion, the efficacy of F&G in wiping off POIS is 2/7 (or 29%) based on the fact that my POIS session, without treatments, lasts precisely for 7 days.
I'm wondering if the efficacy could be incremented by increasing the F&G dosage per day.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 29, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
Your results seem to reinforce my experience with how fenugreek works better when taken with green tea. I haven't experimented with taking larger amounts of fenugreek, but that's a good idea. I likely will in the future.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
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Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
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Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: ve-to on November 18, 2012, 11:39:25 PM
I would like to try the fenugreek may I ask what is the right recipe and your brand? thanks
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on January 30, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
Hi All,

This time the question is mine.  I've been meaning to ask it for quite a while but keep forgetting to do so.

What is the purpose of fenugreek for treating POIS symptoms?  (I'm not challenging -- only curious!)  

What does it do for some of you -- and, if you know, what seems to be the mechanism?

I know that not all of you have found fenugreek helpful, but for those of you who have been helped by it -- please advise.

My only "medical" experience with fenugreek was with breast-feeding moms who came into the primary care office where I worked.  If their milk supply seemed low, or the baby wasn't "interested," fenugreek was recommended for the mom because it literally makes the breast milk sweeter.  The babies love it -- their feeding would immediately pick up, which in turn, would increase milk production in the mom.

And the moms all smelled like maple syrup from the fenugreek!!  I'd know immediately if a particular breast-feeding mom was taking fenugreek because of that smell (which was pleasant).

So -- I'm interested in what it does for POIS.

Thank you!

Stef

For me fenugreek helps both my cognition and physical symptoms while in POIS and while it is definitely most effective if taken about 30 min before an "o" it is also effective for me if taken the next day. I suppose the best thing it does for me is decrease my eye burning, which I suspect it does by decreasing inflammation in the mucous membrane of my eyes. When I take it with tea the two seem to have a synergistic effect that creates a good energy boost that I could never get with either one alone. Fenugreek and garlic also seem to have a syngergistic effect, but it doesn't produce as much energy as with tea.

Some sites speculate that fenugreek might be one of the reasons for lower amounts of arthritis in India since there fenugreek seeds are used commonly as a spice in food. I know it definitely lowers some of my joint pain.

When I first started taking fenugreek a few times I had "o"s that were about 50% less pleasurable and shorter than normal. Actually I think one time it was almost like I didn't have an "o" at all, but still finished. However I haven't had that effect in about a year. Observer and maybe someone else also reported this odd phenomenon. This points to the fact that fenugreek may be having some hormonal effect as well.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on January 30, 2013, 05:02:44 PM
I would like to try the fenugreek may I ask what is the right recipe and your brand? thanks

Solgar seems to be the best brand. Solary and Nature's Way have worked for me.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on February 02, 2013, 02:07:48 PM
Some historical posts (since 2007) about fenugreek and POIS:

http://tinyurl.com/b435956
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: ssquall on April 29, 2013, 01:37:51 PM
@Vincent M

Do you know if tea is necessary with the Fenugreek or if its just the warm/hot water that makes Fenugreek more potent?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on May 02, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
I'm not sure if hot water could replace the tea. Certainly worth a try.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: b_jim on March 22, 2015, 02:44:52 AM
As  you know, I have good improvement with taurine supplement. I was thinking about Pois last evening.... and there is a strong connection between taurine and garlic.

Garlic is rich in sulfur amino acids like methinone and cycsteine. There is cycle of methylation from methionine to taurine

Study showed positive effect of garlic on testosterone too (at least on rats).
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Prancer on March 23, 2015, 09:55:18 PM
As  you know, I have good improvement with taurine supplement. I was thinking about Pois last evening.... and there is a strong connection between taurine and garlic.

Garlic is rich in sulfur amino acids like methinone and cycsteine. There is cycle of methylation from methionine to taurine

Study showed positive effect of garlic on testosterone too (at least on rats).

I've been taking garlic oil for the past several weeks, in an amount equivalent to about 1 clove per day. But so far I haven't noticed anything different. I thought it would help because in the past I tried chopped raw garlic cloves, and they did reduce my symptoms temporarily. I stopped that though, because the raw garlic makes me feel sick - too strong. In the end, I predict my relationship with garlic will probably be limited to cooking.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vanker on January 17, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
 I have tried 5HHTP n I felt unmotivated n somewhat gave me OCD n unexplained fatigue. I don't want eat garlic it made me felt ill. N Fenugeeek I want to try it cox it contained lots of protein n help build muscle mass very fast. Anyone else experience this??? Does Fenugreek help u or made you feel worse??? Thanks :)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: b_jim on February 04, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
It seems garlic has a real effect on brain and memory functions vua acetylcholine :

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on August 19, 2016, 07:28:36 PM
Hi everyone! I have tried fenugreek before and after an orgasm. It eliminated my social anxiety. And my brain fog had been greatly reduced...

I added your treatment report to my fenugreek trial compilation located here-

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1057.msg9548#msg9548
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Quantum on August 19, 2016, 08:50:27 PM
Hi everyone! I have tried fenugreek before and after an orgasm. It eliminated my social anxiety. And my brain fog had been greatly reduced...

I added your treatment report to my fenugreek trial compilation located here-

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1057.msg9548#msg9548


Hi Vincent,

I have taken some information from your Fenugreek thread to update my POIS types chart.  I have added some members name, and yours, in this group  ( and I sw in your profile that I could also add you in the gluten/wheat free diet type).

Do you still have good results with fenugreek ?  And, do you have, like Vanker and hurray, very dry skin and straw hair as part of your symptoms?  And, are your symptoms worsen by hot showers, or by caffeine ?  I still try to find patterns for different POIS types.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Vincent M on March 02, 2017, 12:36:40 AM
Do you still have good results with fenugreek ?  And, do you have, like Vanker and hurray, very dry skin and straw hair as part of your symptoms?  And, are your symptoms worsen by hot showers, or by caffeine ?  I still try to find patterns for different POIS types.

I do still have good results with fenugreek and I also have dry skin and straw hair. However my symptoms are not worsened by hot showers or caffeine. My symptoms actually improve with a moderate amount of caffeine.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sameer7777 on March 02, 2017, 03:22:33 AM
Hi guys should I take fenugreek seeds...with water how much and how many times and what times pls guide Thankyou
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: demografx on March 02, 2017, 11:44:46 AM

Hi guys should I take fenugreek seeds...with water how much and how many times and what times pls guide Thankyou


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Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sayman on March 23, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
i took  raw garlic 2 hour before orgasm and within 5 minutes of orgasm. the result is immediate ,i did not feel brain fog or fatigue and any kind of pois symptom.it is a miracle to me.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Quantum on March 23, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
Great sayman, I am glad you have found relief for you POIS symptoms :)

Please, do make a follow up in a few months, to see if you still have these excellent results .


Did you have also other symptoms than brain fog and fatigued, usually, in POIS ?  and for how long?  the more data we gather, the better it is :)


Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on March 24, 2018, 08:35:46 AM
i took  raw garlic 2 hour before orgasm and within 5 minutes of orgasm. the result is immediate ,i did not feel brain fog or fatigue and any kind of pois symptom.it is a miracle to me.

Hello sayman, did you take something in-between (before the O. and after taking the garlic?). Maybe you should do it even closer to the O. to get better results.

As the author of thread, I would say that you should combine Garlic with Fenugreek -- One the effects of Fenugreek is that the seed works by pumping more blood to the penis, and it also increases testosterone in a natural way:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Fenugreek_Benefits.aspx

One of the side effects is that it slows your metabolism, so depending how much you take it, you can even gain some weight (I really noticed the effects!)
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: sayman on March 24, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Did you have also other symptoms than brain fog and fatigued, usually, in POIS ?  and for how long?  the more data we gather, the better it is :)
 yes i will  make follow up.first i wanted say that i did not do orgasm frequently .2-4 times in a month.yes i had many symptoms of pois like brain fog,headache,extreme warmth,fatigue,sleepiness, all kind of cognitive symptom but headache most.My symptoms duration vary time to time or situation to situation.if i do orgasm in 2 weeks then my symptoms diminishes within 2 days with proper sleep and rest(sleep and rest is must for me)..If i did not take rest and sleep then take 3-4 days .if I orgasm once in week then it took 2-3 days with proper sleep and rest.if i did not took rest then my pois symptoms remain 6-7 days and i feel worse in this days.I think sleep is the best medicine for me.Recently i took garlic but i did not know how many days it will work for me?previously i took ssri and snri this two medicine worsens my pois.ohh i will try fenugreek also.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on March 26, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
Did you have also other symptoms than brain fog and fatigued, usually, in POIS ?  and for how long?  the more data we gather, the better it is :)


Yep, definitely I had those symptoms. For 4-5-6 days, depending on the event, being the 2nd one the worst day. I can say that both Fenugreek and garlic had a direct impact on my cognitive function even when I was suffering from a POIS episode.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: b_jim on March 26, 2018, 04:04:19 PM
You gained weight with fenugreek ? How many ?
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Observer on March 26, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
You gained weight with fenugreek ? How many ?

Well, I can confirm that I gained 8 kg in 3 months. Had I known this before, I would have used fenugreek earlier... Nowadays, I don't think so! (Before I was a thin guy, now I am ok, so I don't want to gain more weight! )
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: b_jim on March 27, 2018, 09:23:00 AM
Thanks ! I need to gain 5-10 kilos. I only tried fenugrek few weeks... I will try again soon
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Quantum on August 29, 2018, 07:01:52 AM
i took  raw garlic 2 hour before orgasm and within 5 minutes of orgasm. the result is immediate ,i did not feel brain fog or fatigue and any kind of pois symptom.it is a miracle to me.


Hi sayman,

Did you have some other good results with garlic ?   There is a history of members having benefits form taking garlic, so I wondered if you still have some relief from it.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: BoneBroth on November 07, 2020, 07:49:52 AM
Fenugreek and garlic are both known for increasing testosterone. Garlic also increase blood flow (specifically together with vitamin C). In this thread I list things that can boost testosterone:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3572.0 (https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3572.0)
Title: Overwhelming Success with Fenugreek & Garlic
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 06, 2021, 08:54:44 PM
Hey guys.

I have had huge success with using 1000mg Fenugreek (Nature's Own dry seed extract) & raw garlic clove (I crush them up, then mix with honey and swallow with water to prevent garlic breath). I usually also take 500mg Nicotinamide (Caruso's Vitamin B3) and matcha green tea, however I have tested it numerous times of only ingesting garlic & fenugreek, and that alone has a tremendous positive effect of reducing my POIS, which leads me to believe the fenugreek & garlic is doing all the hard work.

I have tested this well over ~15 orgasms (stopped tracking after 11). I started testing this on 07/07/21. I have even tested this doing two ejaculations on the same day multiple times with huge success (even in the same darn week). I would say my symptoms are reduced at least 90-95%, it is difficult to tell because it is all subjective. There was one week where I ejaculated a total of 6 times, which is completely unheard of nowadays for me due to POIS. One thing is clear though: This allows me to have a normal sex life without fearing the negative side affects of POIS.

Ideally, I take the fenugreek & garlic 30-50 minutes before orgasm. Then I take a fenugreek & garlic right after orgasm. Then if I'm still feeling 'poisy' (which usually happens if I ejaculate twice in the same day), I will take another fenugreek & garlic, and exercise to speed up the eradication of stress caused by POIS. There is a 1-2 hour post orgasm period of 'POIS build up' I see it as, then it just disappears into nothing. Sometimes I even feeling better than I did before orgasming. The garlic and fenugreek seem to give me insane mental calmness, clarity, and presence.

My typical POIS symptoms were generalised anxiety (mental noise), brainfog, and physical fatigue. These would all become more intense the more I orgasmed in a short period of time. I would need to abstain for 3 weeks to experience about zero POIS if I don't take this stack.

Another thing worth mentioning is that for the past month and a half, I have been following a mostly gluten free and dairy free diet, so not sure if that would affect the effectiveness of this stack. I did this because I thought it was helping reduce afternoon fog/moodiness I was experiencing (although I am still testing this). I eat fruit, meat, gluten free grains like oats, rice, starchy veg like potatoes, vegetables, etc. No processed junk, no refined sugars, no gluten, no dairy, very little vegetable oil (zero at all if I can!).

I've taken multiple blood tests in the periods before trying this stack, and both of them show low neutrophils count. These tests were done 6 months or so apart across a 1 year time period. I've had POIS for at least 3 years.

The only thing I would say is affected are energy levels when comparing that to when I abstain. My energy levels during abstinence are insane. Whereas when I ejaculate, with this stack, my energy levels feel more "normal". Enough to still comfortable go on a 5km run, do necessary errands throughout the day, but not enough to keep me up when going to sleep at 9:30 PM. Whereas abstinence (5-6 days ~ 3 weeks) sometimes has me lying in bed till late at night because I'm so energetic. Apart from that, my mental clarity, concentration, and overall calmness are no longer affected from ejaculation, so long as I take this wonderful stack.

Another interesting point to add is that mild POIS symptoms may return even after the fenugreek & garlic have melted it all away on a previous day. In that case I just consume more fenugreek & garlic, and it melts away any remaining 'POIS residue' as I like to call it, again until eventually it just doesn't return until next orgasm.

My POIS story I posted on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/o98vcg/my_experience_with_pois_healing/
Title: Re: Overwhelming Success with Fenugreek & Garlic
Post by: Quantum on August 06, 2021, 09:19:32 PM
Great news, Warrior !  I am glad that you have found something effective for you.

We do not hear as much about fenugreek and garlic, but it has been used a lot and talked about a lot on the forum, some years ago.  It is one of the methods listed in the POIS Types Chart.
Let me know if it stills works for you in a couple of months so that I can add your name as a reference member in the Fenugreek and Garlic section of the chart.  Most members cited there are no longer active, so it could be interesting to have active members in the list.
Title: Re: Overwhelming Success with Fenugreek & Garlic
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 06, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
Great news, Warrior !  I am glad that you have found something effective for you.

We do not hear as much about fenugreek and garlic, but it has been used a lot and talked about a lot on the forum, some years ago.  It is one of the methods listed in the POIS Types Chart.
Let me know if it stills works for you in a couple of months so that I can add your name as a reference member in the Fenugreek and Garlic section of the chart.  Most members cited there are no longer active, so it could be interesting to have active members in the list.

Will do! Thank you so much for running this website, I owe it to you and all the other admins for keeping this site clean and tidy so people have access to good information about POIS.
Title: Re: Overwhelming Success with Fenugreek & Garlic
Post by: demografx on August 06, 2021, 11:41:07 PM

I owe it to you and all the other admins for keeping this site clean and tidy so people have access to good information about POIS.


Thanks for your kind words about Quantum and the admin/moderators team!

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on August 07, 2021, 03:14:45 AM
Terrific to hear about your success!!

So I've not shared some of my success with Fenugreek and Garlic, which I take as a meal. :D  Look in the frozen section for Deep Foods Chicken Tikka Masala (that comes with rice) or the spinach version which is Chicken Tikka Masala with Spinach and yellow rice.  I couple with with GNC's 'Performance and Vitality' multipak vitamins which are 6 in a pack that you take, which I wash down using Vega ready to drink protein drinks that are spinach and kale based and have over 1000mg of Omega 3s per serving.  If I stick religiously to this regiment, I can have nearly no days lost to pois and can recover in just a week versus 3 weeks.

Indian food in general will have fenugreek and garlic, so that may be an easy way to just supplement with diet.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Progecitor on August 07, 2021, 04:53:05 AM
Currently I am looking into saponins as they are mostly a common factor in the supplements that work for me. Most notably MACA and wild yam are really beneficial and it was found that they both contain the steroidal saponin called diosgenin.

Diosgenin, a type of saponin, is a steroidal sapogenin found in several plant species and is one of the main bioactive constituents of multiple plant species, including yam (Dioscorea villosa) and maca (Lepidium meyenii).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=hu&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=http%3A%2F%2Fdx.doi.org%2F10.33448%2Frsd-v9i6.3519&btnG=

Interestingly others found that fenugreek also contains diosgenin.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1509#msg1509

However both fenugreek and garlic only had a weak positive effect on me, although I haven't had the time to test them in combination. It is also possible that the brand I used was not the best in this regard.
I was wondering if anyone with a very positive fenugreek experience could report whether Maca and wild yam are any good for them as it could confirm the role of diosgenin.
Actually both Maca and wild yam behave somewhat differently so other compounds must also play some role as well.
Title: Re: Overwhelming Success with Fenugreek & Garlic
Post by: Quantum on August 07, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
Great news, Warrior !  I am glad that you have found something effective for you.

We do not hear as much about fenugreek and garlic, but it has been used a lot and talked about a lot on the forum, some years ago.  It is one of the methods listed in the POIS Types Chart.
Let me know if it stills works for you in a couple of months so that I can add your name as a reference member in the Fenugreek and Garlic section of the chart.  Most members cited there are no longer active, so it could be interesting to have active members in the list.

Will do! Thank you so much for running this website, I owe it to you and all the other admins for keeping this site clean and tidy so people have access to good information about POIS.

Thank you for your good words, Warrior!  And thank you for having taken the time to share your success story.  A message like yours is a motivation for the admins and moderators to keep on gathering valuable information on the forum, and also a motivation for all the members to find a relief method for themselves.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on August 07, 2021, 03:55:15 PM
Currently I am looking into saponins as they are mostly a common factor in the supplements that work for me. Most notably MACA and wild yam are really beneficial and it was found that they both contain the steroidal saponin called diosgenin.

Diosgenin, a type of saponin, is a steroidal sapogenin found in several plant species and is one of the main bioactive constituents of multiple plant species, including yam (Dioscorea villosa) and maca (Lepidium meyenii).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=hu&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=http%3A%2F%2Fdx.doi.org%2F10.33448%2Frsd-v9i6.3519&btnG=

Interestingly others found that fenugreek also contains diosgenin.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1509#msg1509

However both fenugreek and garlic only had a weak positive effect on me, although I haven't had the time to test them in combination. It is also possible that the brand I used was not the best in this regard.
I was wondering if anyone with a very positive fenugreek experience could report whether Maca and wild yam are any good for them as it could confirm the role of diosgenin.
Actually both Maca and wild yam behave somewhat differently so other compounds must also play some role as well.
Where would one find Maca and wild yams and what foods might contain them?  I'll definitely give them a try if it's easy enough to do so!
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 07, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
my online girlfriend will be visiting in about a month so hopefully i should be able to provide some info on whether sex affects me differently than masturbation.

Today it seems i am feeling the POIS i hadn´t yesterday. Fortunately, fenugreek + garlic is helping me a lot like it usually does.  I am wondering about the effect the Sun has on POIS(Vitamin D??), because it seems that when the days are sunny, my POIS is less intense, but when they are darker POIS is more hard. Today it has been sunny occasionally and in that moment i feel better of my cognitive symptoms. I would like to know if someone has reported the same about this.

Pretty certain I also experience the same thing. Garlic & fenugreek works wonders for me, but when I did have POIS, or POIS residue, the sun also has a very positive effect for me. Hot showers also seem to intensify the POIS in the moment, but once I hop out into the cold it all kinda returns to normal. Not sure if thats just because hot showers for me a very pleasurable, and therefore I tend to think a lot more, especially when I don't put myself on stricter time limits of 4 minutes, etc.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: berlin1984 on August 09, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
Aged garlic extract thread:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3944

Garlic pills poll:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=155
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 15, 2021, 03:11:32 AM
Currently I am looking into saponins as they are mostly a common factor in the supplements that work for me. Most notably MACA and wild yam are really beneficial and it was found that they both contain the steroidal saponin called diosgenin.

Diosgenin, a type of saponin, is a steroidal sapogenin found in several plant species and is one of the main bioactive constituents of multiple plant species, including yam (Dioscorea villosa) and maca (Lepidium meyenii).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=hu&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=http%3A%2F%2Fdx.doi.org%2F10.33448%2Frsd-v9i6.3519&btnG=

Interestingly others found that fenugreek also contains diosgenin.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1509#msg1509

However both fenugreek and garlic only had a weak positive effect on me, although I haven't had the time to test them in combination. It is also possible that the brand I used was not the best in this regard.
I was wondering if anyone with a very positive fenugreek experience could report whether Maca and wild yam are any good for them as it could confirm the role of diosgenin.
Actually both Maca and wild yam behave somewhat differently so other compounds must also play some role as well.
Where would one find Maca and wild yams and what foods might contain them?  I'll definitely give them a try if it's easy enough to do so!

Any kind of health food store or even bulk food stores. My local health food store is where I bought maca. I've tried maca, although I haven't taken it consistently, more so randomly. I do feel like it makes me more aroused in the preceding days, but that could also be placebo.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 16, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
Original post written on 16th August, 2021

Tested ingesting garlic pills rather than raw garlic for the first time last night before O. Complete success  ;D.

I used Australian Naturalcare Garlic Pearls Enteric Coated. In the morning of yesterday, I ingested 1x garlic pill, and 1x fenugreek, and 1x vitamin b3. I then had 2x garlic pills, 1x fenugreek 1.5-2 hrs before O, matcha green tea 25 minutes before O, and finally 2x fenugreek and 2x garlic after O. I basically double dosed the garlic & fenugreek because I was sceptical it was going to be as strong against POIS as ingesting a raw garlic.

These garlic pearls are also quite old (their expiry is actually August 2021). The scent of garlic in the container is pretty strong, they certainly are not odourless - I'm not sure if that's because they are old or if its intentional.

Woke up with minor POIS residue. Important to note, I have ejaculated 3 times in the last 5 days. I then took a 1x garlic pill, 1x fenugreek, 1x vitamin b3, 1x oystermax (zinc, selenium, vitamin b12, copper etc...) this morning with some fruit. Then did some intense cardio runs (maybe 10-20 minutes or so), and some bushwalking with sun exposure. The intense cardio (where the heartrate is actually accelerated & you break a sweat, coupled with the fenugreek & garlic seems very good at removing any remaining POIS residue).

Edited 19th August 2021:
Tested again yesterday night, which was 2 days later. This time, I took 3x garlic pills & 2x fenugreek post O. Niacin taken in the morning, which was definitely more than 8 hours prior. No matcha green tea. Woke up physically tired (It was 6AM tho & I had work), energy levels quickly came back to normal once I had breakfast (oats & banana), and ingested 2x garlic & 1x fenugreek. Today I was working as a labourer, so relatively physically demanding - I definitely had plenty of energy to carry out my work as normal (my regular POIS symptoms would not have allowed this to be easy, I would have felt exhausted all day). I would say I had mild POIS symptoms, particularly towards the end of the day, even after taking more garlic pills. This was further proven directly by ingesting raw garlic & fenugreek, which immediately had a positive effect on reducing ALL POIS symptoms (it further stilled my mind, to 'thriving' levels). I was not able to test whether high intense cardio would do the trick on alleviating the POIS residue, although I do believe it would have certainly helped.

Edited 20th August 2021:
Woke up feeling good. Fasted in the morning (had work out in the sun too!). Had 1x garlic pill & 1x fenugreek pill with lunch. Was feeling some POIS residue later that evening around 4pm, so I experimented this time by popping the garlic capsules in my mouth and discarding the enteric coating. Popped 3x garlic pills, had with 1x fenugreek. Definitely felt like it had a positive effect on the POIS residue, however I could still feel the lingering POIS residue which primarily consists of mild brain fog and noise. Decided it would be another good opportunity to test the power of actual raw garlic. Butchered a garlic clove in a small mortar and pestle at 6pm, added honey, and swallowed down the hatch with water. Within 5-10 minutes, I immediately feel the POIS residue melting into greater clarity and awareness. It's even possible that the mild positive effect I am experiencing from the garlic pills might actually be from fenugreek. More testing required.

Edited 25th August 2021: Tried garlic pills again, this time another brand. Much more effective - the other brand I tried was basically expired. Whats interesting too is technically there is less garlic oil in these pills than the other brands I tried. There is also peppermint oil included - you literally cannot even taste the garlic (I crack open the pill in my mouth because I don't eat the soy capsulation).

Current verdict: Garlic pills do work (with fenugreek of course), but not as effective as ingesting crushed raw garlic. Intense cardio e.g. sprints certainly help as well at reducing POIS residue.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on August 18, 2021, 03:51:06 PM
Any kind of health food store or even bulk food stores. My local health food store is where I bought maca. I've tried maca, although I haven't taken it consistently, more so randomly. I do feel like it makes me more aroused in the preceding days, but that could also be placebo.
Thank you!  Would whole foods or trader joe's carry them?  I also have an asian specialty market nearby if they might have them.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on August 18, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Tested ingesting garlic pills rather than raw garlic for the first time last night before O. Complete success  ;D.

I used Australian Naturalcare Garlic Pearls Enteric Coated. In the morning of yesterday, I ingested 1x garlic pill, and 1x fenugreek, and 1x vitamin b3. I then had 2x garlic pills, 1x fenugreek 1.5-2 hrs before O, matcha green tea 25 minutes before O, and finally 2x fenugreek and 2x garlic after O. I basically double dosed the garlic & fenugreek because I was sceptical it was going to be as strong against POIS as ingesting a raw garlic.

These garlic pearls are also quite old (their expiry is actually August 2021). The scent of garlic in the container is pretty strong, they certainly are not odourless - I'm not sure if that's because they are old or if its intentional.

Woke up with minor POIS residue. Important to note, I have ejaculated 3 times in the last 5 days. I then took a 1x garlic, 1x fenugreek, 1x vitamin b3, 1x oystermax (zinc, selenium, vitamin b12, copper etc...) this morning with some fruit. Then did some intense cardio runs (maybe 10-20 minutes or so), and some bushwalking with sun exposure. The intense cardio (where the heartrate is actually accelerated & you break a sweat, coupled with the fenugreek & garlic seems very good at removing any remaining POIS residue).
Awesome to hear!!  Keep us posted on if this regimen continues to work over time. :)  Your solution uses some of the same as mine. :)  Raw oysters and sushi do wonders for me as well as fenugreek.
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: warrioronthetrot on August 18, 2021, 07:37:16 PM
Any kind of health food store or even bulk food stores. My local health food store is where I bought maca. I've tried maca, although I haven't taken it consistently, more so randomly. I do feel like it makes me more aroused in the preceding days, but that could also be placebo.
Thank you!  Would whole foods or trader joe's carry them?  I also have an asian specialty market nearby if they might have them.
I?m not sure where you?re from, but in Australia GoVita stock the maca powder. Pretty sure I?ve seen maca powder in bulk food stores as well. You could try ringing up trader joe?s etc

Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: Samir on August 18, 2021, 10:19:46 PM
Any kind of health food store or even bulk food stores. My local health food store is where I bought maca. I've tried maca, although I haven't taken it consistently, more so randomly. I do feel like it makes me more aroused in the preceding days, but that could also be placebo.
Thank you!  Would whole foods or trader joe's carry them?  I also have an asian specialty market nearby if they might have them.
I?m not sure where you?re from, but in Australia GoVita stock the maca powder. Pretty sure I?ve seen maca powder in bulk food stores as well. You could try ringing up trader joe?s etc


In the USA--sorry I forget about how international POIS can be!  :-[
Title: Re: Fenugreek + Garlic...
Post by: warrioronthetrot on September 08, 2021, 05:48:58 AM
Hey guys. Just wanted to state, garlic & fenugreek is still working amazingly for me  ;D. It's been 2 months since I found this method and began testing. I created a diary summary of my POIS experience, and I am documenting my experiments with trying to figure out the best way to take garlic. Might be of use for anyone else scrolling through this garlic & fenugreek thread: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.0.