Fenugreek + Garlic...

[Observer]

Hi! I would like to introduce myself as one young man who must show you gratitude, because i have read your post in the naked scientist forum several weeks ago and that has helped me a lot!(I discovered it from a news article about "sex can make men sick" from late Januray). Well, i think i could have POIS because i had the symptoms after every Orgasm since i was 18-19 YR maybe, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I think there must be several factors about this syndrome, and a good sleep and sunny days usually diminishes the severity.
I began to take garlic cloves and the result was immediate... specially with the brain fog *AFTER* the orgasm. If you take them *BEFORE* you have less (-70,80%) POIS symptoms after O, at least in my case. And then, was Fenugreek´s time. Seriously, it´s amazing. Taking it, AFTER or BEFORE the orgasm(i take only 1 capsule), i have experienced no POIS. Moreover, If you try to take FENUGREEK+Garlic it gives you a more enhanced mind and an increase of cognitive functions(and i am talking about this after and before orgasm, it doesn´t matter).

I want to thank you about this, because it´s for sure that i would never get this genial idea from my own. This forum and the other will be useful for more people, i hope.

[Daveman]

Hi Observer! Welcome.

Pretty good choice for where to put this post, as several persons have noted that fenugreek seems to be influencial in the production of progestins if I'm not mistaken. I'll go back and look, and perhaps meantime someone here who is clearer on it can reiterate.

Perhaps the exact reason why it works may not be entirely clear, but I hope to get to a point where we can make some very positive movement in following up on more technical aspects.

There are overlap areas as well where certain hormones like testosterone in combination with progestins can halt sperm production, which is one of the factors highly considered to be influencial in the cause of alergic reactions.

But, also, we have still seen effects of hormones like progesterone and or testosterone, whether from natural sources or not, that drastically reduce POIS symptoms and which don;t seem to be associated to the "allergy theory".

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".

[demografx]

Many Naked Science POIS discussions about fenugreek here!
http://www.google.com/search?q=fenugreek+POIS+site:http://thenakedscientists.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari


and garlic!...............................................................................
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=1puWTd34BovUtQOPv7TLBQ&ved=0CBMQvgUoAA&q=garlic+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A//thenakedscientists.com&nfpr=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a9acdcd2312857c2

[Vincent M]

I've also noticed that garlic helps my POIS. I've found that garlic milk made from adding crushed garlic cloves to a glass of milk is a natural remedy for nerve pain and this also seems to help me. It also makes me ponder the effect POIS has on the nervous system.

I think I'll order some fenugreek now since I have yet to try it.

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.

[demografx]

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.

VM, we thank you very much for sharing your future results with all of us!

[demografx]

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".

Dave, I'm glad that you understand the difference. I don't. Maybe no one really does fully? (Yet).

[Daveman]

For my money, fenugreek is one of those that is more hormone associated than "allergy related".

Dave, I'm glad that you understand the difference. I don't. Maybe no one really does fully? (Yet).

Heh heh, that why I said "for my money" since I don't have much..... I don't havemuch to loose! 

[Hoping]

Hi! I would like to introduce myself as one young man who must show you gratitude, because i have read your post in the naked scientist forum several weeks ago and that has helped me a lot!(I discovered it from a news article about "sex can make men sick" from late Januray). Well, i think i could have POIS because i had the symptoms after every Orgasm since i was 18-19 YR maybe, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I think there must be several factors about this syndrome, and a good sleep and sunny days usually diminishes the severity.
I began to take garlic cloves and the result was immediate... specially with the brain fog *AFTER* the orgasm. If you take them *BEFORE* you have less (-70,80%) POIS symptoms after O, at least in my case. And then, was Fenugreek´s time. Seriously, it´s amazing. Taking it, AFTER or BEFORE the orgasm(i take only 1 capsule), i have experienced no POIS. Moreover, If you try to take FENUGREEK+Garlic it gives you a more enhanced mind and an increase of cognitive functions(and i am talking about this after and before orgasm, it doesn´t matter).

I want to thank you about this, because it´s for sure that i would never get this genial idea from my own. This forum and the other will be useful for more people, i hope.

Observer, what brand and amount of Fenugreek do you take?

[Vincent M]

*EDIT* - Finally just ordered some 620mg Solaray brand Fenugreek. I'll let you guys know if it helps.

VM, we thank you very much for sharing your future results with all of us!

And I thank you for all the work you've done with this group, Demo. The organization and support you've supplied is truly amazing. Without you perhaps none of this would be possible.

[demografx]

Vincent Marcus, thank you! That was so kind and generous of you!

[Observer]

Observer, what brand and amount of Fenugreek do you take?

I bought a Soria Natural Fenugreek capsules (Spanish brand) and i take one capsule after the O. (550 mg). I have read in the naked forum that is better to take it before, but i have noticed relief(or NO-POIS)of my symptons taking it after the O. From what i´ve read other people takes it before+after 1 or 2 capsules. Hope it works for you  .

[Daveman]

Observer,

What category would you tend to put your symptoms in? Cognitive, Flu-like or both?

And if you tend to have both, does Fenugreek seem to help both equally?

[Observer]

Observer,

What category would you tend to put your symptoms in? Cognitive, Flu-like or both?

And if you tend to have both, does Fenugreek seem to help both equally?

I tend to have both, maybe cognitive are more stronger than flu-like symptoms. Fenugreek seems to help with both( i feel like more energized without any cognitive symptoms, certainly not flu-like symptoms), and garlic helps with cognitive symptoms (brain-fog) but the snoozing/tiredness remains in some way.

[Daveman]

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)

[Observer]

I'm anxious to see if I can find it here (in Chile)

You can try to look for Alholva, the spanish name for Fenugreek (or "Fenogreco"). I want to share with you something that is happening to me when i take fenugreek. I remember to have read something about it, but i think this is remarkable. The O. are being less intense under Fenugreek. It seems the less intense the Orgasm, no POIS efects follow. I´m sure: Fenugreek is working for me(Until now 4 times, has worked on all of them), but orgasm is not longer what it was.

[Daveman]

What a trade off! Always something. But hey!

Perhaps one could relax for a good while with the relief caused by the Fenugreek, and then stop for a couple of "good ones", even if they produce POIS, and then trade back and forth as you like.

[Vincent M]

Are these less intense orgasms also less pleasurable? That would be really good for me since I can rarely go a day without an O and if the Os were less pleasurable then I might have the willpower to refrain more often.

[Observer]

Are these less intense orgasms also less pleasurable? That would be really good for me since I can rarely go a day without an O and if the Os were less pleasurable then I might have the willpower to refrain more often.

The answer to your question is Yes, they are less pleasurable(In fact i mean that when i said "less intense") . I would want to know if someone has reported the same phenomenon on the other forum (naked scientist), and if there are some arguments of what could be going on with fenugreek. Personally, i don´t bother to have less pleasurable orgasms as the price to pay to not have POIS, in fact you don´t have more sexual urges having this kind of orgasm. I will report if I experience some change. As I said, I would like to know if someone has feel this way after taking Fenugreek. Hope this helps. 

[Vincent M]

I don't know if anyone has reported that effect with fenugreek yet, but I haven't read all the posts at the naked scientists forum on fenugreek. Once I start my experiment with it in about a week I'll be able to let you know if it has that effect on me though. I'll make a point to look out for it.

[Vincent M]

My Fenugreek Pills arrived today. I just took two 620mg pills and oddly I seemed to feel a tinge of pain relief just a few seconds after swallowing them and that slight tinge has lasted for about 10 or 20 minutes now. I'm gonna chalk it down to placebo, but still it seems to have relieved almost as much pain as if I just ate a clove of garlic except the relief seems to be lasting longer. Obviously it's gonna be a while before I get any real results though.