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Re: Personal POIS Summaries and Histories.
« Reply #120 on: May 05, 2019, 01:31:45 PM »
I O yesterdey after 30 days of abstinece , today pain under prostate,
heart palpilations, bump heart, M Gravis symptomes, breathing problems(shortenes of breath), fatigue, memory problems(ram memory) short memory, migrains in sinus region,
nerve hipersensibility, buzzing under knees(nerves cant fire properly),
facial change, lose facial muscules,
pain in muscules, iritability.
That clearly sounds like an immune flare, but I truly think POIS is special with the neuro-symptoms.

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« Reply #121 on: May 05, 2019, 02:21:37 PM »
That sucks how many O's did you do. 
If i wait that long and only do one O my pois is milder.
The same, that second is a killer. My pois is alsou cumulative.
I had two, the one night before, second in morning, to much liquid in
prostate and semen in testicles after long period of abstinence.
That make me to feell unplesent in my body.
Dr-pois.

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« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2020, 11:02:52 AM »
Hello everyone,

History

Time to tell my story. I am 25 year old male who has suffered from POIS since I am 15/16 year old (can't remember exactly when it started to happen). Since then, I have always been more fatigued and less motivated in everything I do. Grades started to drop and I needed at least 9 hours of sleep to function normally during a day. Over the years, my social skills started to diminish and I became a lot more insecure. I experienced brain frog and my memory worsened. I sometimes preferred to stay nights at home instead of hanging out with friends. I could never explain why I felt that way. Since I was 19/20 years old I started to feel I was losing my friends due to my insecurity, but in reality this was not the case.

Since I am 22 years old, someone from a project group at Uni told me about NoFap and that you could get "superpowers" from it. Purely out of curiosity, I started to try it out. Around 9 days in and I felt the happiest I've been in around 6 years. I had a smile on my face that lasted the whole day. From that point I thought that I've been a porn addict all this time, since I watched porn a lot. I think I watched porn and masturbated on average maybe 1-2 times per day. Sometimes I masturbated 4-6 times a day. I started practicing nofap, but when I relapsed I would always feel the same symptoms again. I just thought it was because of my excessive masturbation history and porn addiction that I would have these symptoms.

One year later, the nofap went with ups and downs. Granted, the amount of masturbation went down immensely. Sometimes I had a streak of 7 days and sometimes of 100 days. But I had always the same symptoms after I orgasmed. I got a girlfriend for the first time and started having sex for the first time. However, the same symptoms after sex started happening again. I was really confused why this happened. After a few weeks I started googling and found out that it was POIS that caused these symptoms. I was happy and devastated at the same time. Happy, because I found out that it was an actual disease and I was not going crazy. Devastated, because it is something that you cannot easily get rid off.

Another year went by. I was still happy in my relationship, but POIS symptoms were still there. I started reading something about breathing techniques and realized I've been a mouth breather all my life. I thought myself to breath through my nose (both in and out). POIS symptoms reduced drastically since then, from a 5-7 day cycle to a 3-4 day cycle. However, I still need at least 10 days to fully recover since then.

Present

One more year passes by. POIS is still present, but I have noticed that symptoms after sex start to diminish. This happened during the last months of my relationship, which ended half a year ago. I haven't had sex since then so I cannot tell if this is still is the case. All my memories of the past years still seem vague. I can't really remember anything from 17-21 years old. But I feel my memory is slowly getting better. I feel at my best when I haven't been working out for a few days and have been abstaining from orgasm for at at least 10 days. When this is the case, my brain functions really good and my memory/focus is 1000x better. I am still practicing nofap, although I relapse every 30-60 days. Often times this is when I'm drunk.  When having a orgasm when drunk, however, symptoms are less intense than when I'm sober. Overall, I feel soooo much better than before doing Nofap, also because I barely watch any porn (1-3 times every 1-2 months) nowadays. I do not dare to think where I would have been now if it weren't for that random guy from my project group who told me about nofap. He might have just saved my life.

Symptoms

My symptoms comprise of fatigue, increased irritability, social distancing (comes in handy nowadays haha), brain fog, depressed feelings, tone in voice becomes worse, increased vulnerability to stress, sense of fight or flight, bad focus, bad memory (especially short-term).

When do symptoms appear

After orgasm. I noticed approx 8 months ago that symptoms after sex started to decrease. I also notice POIS symptoms after working out in the gym, but not as intense after orgasm.




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Re: Personal POIS Summaries and Histories.
« Reply #123 on: May 05, 2020, 10:43:44 AM »
Hello everyone,

History

Time to tell my story. I am 25 year old male who has suffered from POIS since I am 15/16 year old (can't remember exactly when it started to happen). Since then, I have always been more fatigued and less motivated in everything I do. Grades started to drop and I needed at least 9 hours of sleep to function normally during a day. Over the years, my social skills started to diminish and I became a lot more insecure. I experienced brain frog and my memory worsened. I sometimes preferred to stay nights at home instead of hanging out with friends. I could never explain why I felt that way. Since I was 19/20 years old I started to feel I was losing my friends due to my insecurity, but in reality this was not the case.

Since I am 22 years old, someone from a project group at Uni told me about NoFap and that you could get "superpowers" from it. Purely out of curiosity, I started to try it out. Around 9 days in and I felt the happiest I've been in around 6 years. I had a smile on my face that lasted the whole day. From that point I thought that I've been a porn addict all this time, since I watched porn a lot. I think I watched porn and masturbated on average maybe 1-2 times per day. Sometimes I masturbated 4-6 times a day. I started practicing nofap, but when I relapsed I would always feel the same symptoms again. I just thought it was because of my excessive masturbation history and porn addiction that I would have these symptoms.

One year later, the nofap went with ups and downs. Granted, the amount of masturbation went down immensely. Sometimes I had a streak of 7 days and sometimes of 100 days. But I had always the same symptoms after I orgasmed. I got a girlfriend for the first time and started having sex for the first time. However, the same symptoms after sex started happening again. I was really confused why this happened. After a few weeks I started googling and found out that it was POIS that caused these symptoms. I was happy and devastated at the same time. Happy, because I found out that it was an actual disease and I was not going crazy. Devastated, because it is something that you cannot easily get rid off.

Another year went by. I was still happy in my relationship, but POIS symptoms were still there. I started reading something about breathing techniques and realized I've been a mouth breather all my life. I thought myself to breath through my nose (both in and out). POIS symptoms reduced drastically since then, from a 5-7 day cycle to a 3-4 day cycle. However, I still need at least 10 days to fully recover since then.

Present

One more year passes by. POIS is still present, but I have noticed that symptoms after sex start to diminish. This happened during the last months of my relationship, which ended half a year ago. I haven't had sex since then so I cannot tell if this is still is the case. All my memories of the past years still seem vague. I can't really remember anything from 17-21 years old. But I feel my memory is slowly getting better. I feel at my best when I haven't been working out for a few days and have been abstaining from orgasm for at at least 10 days. When this is the case, my brain functions really good and my memory/focus is 1000x better. I am still practicing nofap, although I relapse every 30-60 days. Often times this is when I'm drunk.  When having a orgasm when drunk, however, symptoms are less intense than when I'm sober. Overall, I feel soooo much better than before doing Nofap, also because I barely watch any porn (1-3 times every 1-2 months) nowadays. I do not dare to think where I would have been now if it weren't for that random guy from my project group who told me about nofap. He might have just saved my life.

Symptoms

My symptoms comprise of fatigue, increased irritability, social distancing (comes in handy nowadays haha), brain fog, depressed feelings, tone in voice becomes worse, increased vulnerability to stress, sense of fight or flight, bad focus, bad memory (especially short-term).

When do symptoms appear

After orgasm. I noticed approx 8 months ago that symptoms after sex started to decrease. I also notice POIS symptoms after working out in the gym, but not as intense after orgasm.

Thank you for the write up, interesting that symptoms were reduced with sex as opposed to masturbation. That has been reported by some in this forum, possibly oxytocin or female hormones that inhibit prostaglandins are responsible for this.

Also: alcohol inhibits part of the immune system and may help lower the risk of developing auto immune diseases: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15855-z

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Re: Personal POIS Summaries and Histories.
« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2020, 12:33:04 PM »
Hello everyone,

History

Time to tell my story. I am 25 year old male who has suffered from POIS since I am 15/16 year old (can't remember exactly when it started to happen). Since then, I have always been more fatigued and less motivated in everything I do. Grades started to drop and I needed at least 9 hours of sleep to function normally during a day. Over the years, my social skills started to diminish and I became a lot more insecure. I experienced brain frog and my memory worsened. I sometimes preferred to stay nights at home instead of hanging out with friends. I could never explain why I felt that way. Since I was 19/20 years old I started to feel I was losing my friends due to my insecurity, but in reality this was not the case.

Since I am 22 years old, someone from a project group at Uni told me about NoFap and that you could get "superpowers" from it. Purely out of curiosity, I started to try it out. Around 9 days in and I felt the happiest I've been in around 6 years. I had a smile on my face that lasted the whole day. From that point I thought that I've been a porn addict all this time, since I watched porn a lot. I think I watched porn and masturbated on average maybe 1-2 times per day. Sometimes I masturbated 4-6 times a day. I started practicing nofap, but when I relapsed I would always feel the same symptoms again. I just thought it was because of my excessive masturbation history and porn addiction that I would have these symptoms.

One year later, the nofap went with ups and downs. Granted, the amount of masturbation went down immensely. Sometimes I had a streak of 7 days and sometimes of 100 days. But I had always the same symptoms after I orgasmed. I got a girlfriend for the first time and started having sex for the first time. However, the same symptoms after sex started happening again. I was really confused why this happened. After a few weeks I started googling and found out that it was POIS that caused these symptoms. I was happy and devastated at the same time. Happy, because I found out that it was an actual disease and I was not going crazy. Devastated, because it is something that you cannot easily get rid off.

Another year went by. I was still happy in my relationship, but POIS symptoms were still there. I started reading something about breathing techniques and realized I've been a mouth breather all my life. I thought myself to breath through my nose (both in and out). POIS symptoms reduced drastically since then, from a 5-7 day cycle to a 3-4 day cycle. However, I still need at least 10 days to fully recover since then.

Present

One more year passes by. POIS is still present, but I have noticed that symptoms after sex start to diminish. This happened during the last months of my relationship, which ended half a year ago. I haven't had sex since then so I cannot tell if this is still is the case. All my memories of the past years still seem vague. I can't really remember anything from 17-21 years old. But I feel my memory is slowly getting better. I feel at my best when I haven't been working out for a few days and have been abstaining from orgasm for at at least 10 days. When this is the case, my brain functions really good and my memory/focus is 1000x better. I am still practicing nofap, although I relapse every 30-60 days. Often times this is when I'm drunk.  When having a orgasm when drunk, however, symptoms are less intense than when I'm sober. Overall, I feel soooo much better than before doing Nofap, also because I barely watch any porn (1-3 times every 1-2 months) nowadays. I do not dare to think where I would have been now if it weren't for that random guy from my project group who told me about nofap. He might have just saved my life.

Symptoms

My symptoms comprise of fatigue, increased irritability, social distancing (comes in handy nowadays haha), brain fog, depressed feelings, tone in voice becomes worse, increased vulnerability to stress, sense of fight or flight, bad focus, bad memory (especially short-term).

When do symptoms appear

After orgasm. I noticed approx 8 months ago that symptoms after sex started to decrease. I also notice POIS symptoms after working out in the gym, but not as intense after orgasm.

I too found out I got pois after abstaining and getting NE and realizing O gives me symptoms. Have you tried that what has worked for others POIS or anything to stop it? Do you remember if anything was different in life when you got POIS(virus, stress, injury, illness, infection, probiotics/antibiotics, etc.)?

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Re: Personal POIS Summaries and Histories.
« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2020, 03:29:44 AM »
I want to start by saying i cant believe that i actually met people with the same problems that i have i thought i was alone , it sure is helpful to know that the problem has some form of acknowledgment  , I hope you all the best

It all started right after puberty at age 15 , my symptoms are strictly cognitive ,  i remember before pois all my teachers used to say  that am the smartest kid they've seen , i never actually had to study for my exams and have always been the top of my class , i remember the symptoms started at the first year of what you call high school , i managed to get by a B average , which was very hard for me to achieve during my first experience with pois , i am still very depressed , the most valuable asset i had was my IQ , till now i dont really care if i live or die  , i feel that i have nothing to achieve. i have no self esteem .

The symptoms are almost exactly like Cornelius , especially the part about full night sleep would worsen the severity of  pois .

I'm currently 23 ,  i'm afraid to get in a relationship for the obvious reasons, i'm having trouble trying to find a job that suites my condition , am also having problems writing about this in details currently because of pois
I too was sharp b4 it. Mine are mainly neuromuscularcognitive. Ever had cases of POIS disappearing for while?

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« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2020, 06:55:47 PM »
Hey!

Here's my history, symptoms, thoughts and recommendations. I will continously work with this post. Read it as from a male person standpoint (hormonal approach etcetera) although most things are probably as relevant for women (See IronFeather's case (female, 25 years old). If you can't read everything, just jump to the conclutions at the bottom.

History

POIS started sometime at teenage (13-18) during school when I was exposed to heavy stress from bullying which comprimised my social life with about 80 % during 9 years in school and the symptoms continued after. During the time, and since, I've been a reluctantly victim for frequent nocturnal emissions. Then the stress source changed from bullying to echonomical difficulties because of POIS. I'm in my 40:th now and still suffers heavy when I have POIS.

Symptoms and change

These are the symptoms that comes with POIS and go away after about 10 days.

Color code:
Normal text: has been around all the time
Red: Has started during the last 10 years
Green: Has become a little better
Blue: Has become worse

Symptoms only during POIS (and goes away after)
  • Rapid and irregular heart beat (up to two hours after O/NE)
  • Headache, brainfog, unable to work with mental things (starts at O/NE and changes in charactor during the 10 days). This is the worst symptom of all
  • Muscle pain, low back pain
  • Nasal congestion (sometimes)
  • Sneezing
  • Bad smelling and foamy urine
  • Low pressure when urinating
  • Difficult to speak, voice sounds strange
  • Lack of social skills, self-confidence
  • Lack of mental strength, problem solving and creativity (in other words, its hard to think)
  • Acne on forehead, upper chins and back
  • Hair loss (male patterned - on scalp, not sides/lower back)
  • (just slighty improvement) Hot flashes, burning sensations in chest and arms
  • Sebaceous gland excess on scalp
  • Dry skin, wrinkles
  • Recovery time
  • Dull pain in the right kidney area, sometimes stinging
  • Tingeling feeling in the feets (neuropathy?)
  • Dermatitis/rosacea? (itchy / creeping skin on my forehead
  • Bloating
  • Digestive issues/SIBO (bad smelling yellow stools, varies between hard and loose)

At around my 30:th the headache evolved to a stinging tension headache, often on one side and sometimes it felt like in the center of the head which made sleep impossible and days really bad. Sometimes I sat in a chair all night and sometimes didn't get enough sleep for weeks. Fortunatly that sort of headache is gone now - probably because of my magnesium supplements. It's interesting to notice that all my older brother and dad had male patterend baldness early in thier life and I probably got it latest in life but just me got POIS (beeing the youngest sibling is associated with more stress).

The worst symptoms are still happening after POIS (orgasm) and takes at least 10 days to heal. Here is a list of symptoms that I have more or less constantly and doesn't seem to be directly related to orgasm:

Constant symptoms (When not in POIS)
  • Coated tounge
  • Low blood pressure
  • Distubingly hot feeling when exercising
  • Mild brain fog
  • Acne on back (mild)
  • Eye floaters
  • Neck pain
  • Varicose veins (type 1 of 7)
  • Blood pooling in finger tops
  • Digestive issues (bad smelling yellow stools in periods, alternately hard pebbled poop)
  • Cold fingers
  • Dermatitis (itchy / creeping skin on my forehead that gets worse on POIS)
  • Bumpy subcutaneous tissues (most notible on forearmes, hip, legs)
  • Bloating (persistent)
  • Alcohol sensitivity (10 years ago a could have 2 glass of wine without almost feeling anything, now get heavy feelings only after half a glass)
  • Sudden urge to urinate (year 2021)
  • Weight loss and body fat loss, difficulty to gain weight (year 2021)

Symptoms released by other factors than POIS
  • Headache after bad sleep
  • Dry eyes after sleeping bad
  • Digestive issues (bad smelling yellow stools in periods, alternately hard pebbled poop) after eating starchy/sugary foods
  • Dermatitis (itchy / creeping skin on my forehead) after eating Fodmaps and too much
  • Bloating (after eating Fodmaps)

Do you share any of theese symptoms? Please make a similar list as above on your own post in this thread, which is dedicated fo this.

My POIS theory

POIS root causes

My over 30 years of thinking about POIS is giving me new pieces of the puzzle every year (specially with the help from his forum, thank you!). I believe that the cause of POIS circles around the folloing things that has been going on for an extended time (years):
  • Frequent orgasm and/or nocturnal emissions in combination with:
  • - dopamine induced addictions (porn, erotic thoughts, sugar, social media, alcoholism
  • - long term phsycological stress (decreased stommach acid, slow bowel movements, bad gut bacteria, low nutritional uptake, autoimmune disorders caused by leaky gut)
  • - physical stress in the form of wrong diet (too much sugars/carbohydrates) and/or nutritional deficiencies.
  • - monotonous lifestyle (no serotonin stimulation)
  • - sedimentary lifestyle (too much desktop time)
  • - genetic predisposition and psychological trait (prone to stress)

When one or many of theese things coexist they are pulling the whole hormonal systems out of balance - the production of hormones (specifically cortisol and testosterone but probably also dopamine and other hormones involved with orgasm) and the receptors. Over time theese imbalances cause a wide spectrum of primary and second hand health issues - most are caused by long term inflammation and long term cortisol excess (caused by the inflammation).

Orgasm normally releses both anti-inflammatory and inflammtory hormones, but when there is not enought of anti-inflammatory hormones like cortisol (number one), testosterone and oxytocin, you will have an overload of inflammatory hormones. I?m still not sure of what hormones are directly responsible for the inflammation, but user Nanna1 has made one of the best explanations of the process here, blaming norepinephrine, glutamate and histamine.

To battle the inflammation the body produces cortisol. Cortisol might be hight in the morning but the stores in the adrenals runs out early in the day. When you produce so much cortisol over many years due to stress, the raw materials for other hormones will run out - this is called the cortisol steal. With decreased cortisol the body cannot cope with the inflammation and this results in a variety of POIS symptoms (because all organs are influenced).

And to make things worse, when the liver break down those inflammatory hormones, the breakdown products are even more toxic. When the livers detoxification pathways are comprimised (because of inflammation and toxic overload), the inflammation will be even worse, in a vicious circle.

A compromised liver cannot produce enough of bile and play its role in the absorbation of fat-soulable vitamins. This also increases the risk of candida and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO). The bile and stommach acid are antifungus/antibacterial. Stress lowers the production of stommach acid. Stress shuts all digestional systems of, including the the intestinal movements. All this leads to wrong bacterial flora, gas, candida, leaky gut and a decrease av absorbtion of nutrients, specifically:

  • Vitamin B12
  • Vitamin D
  • Vitamin A
  • Vitamin E
  • Iron
  • Vitamin B1 (Thiamine)
  • Vitamin B3 (Nicotinamide/Niacin)

(In the Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results there are users who report deficiencies of B12 and D. And the "niacin cure" works for some users.)

The inflammation is also tagreting the hypothalamus and pitutary, where many important hormones are produced.

Symptoms explanation

The inflammatory substances have a degenerative effects of the whole body. Each organ gives it own symptom when harmed (or in chain reactions). For example:
  • Kidney -> Low blood pressure, POTS, headache, varicose veins, slow intestines/constipation. I'm staring to belive the kidneys might be the most important organs relating to POIS symptoms since they are regulating the blood pressure - an adequate blood supply is everything for a good health
  • Brain -> Headache, depression, no motivation
  • Thyroid -> Temperature regulation, hotflash, difficulty sleeping, muscle weakness, hyperactivity.
  • Liver/gall bladder - > Acne, varicose veins, yellowish stools, headache, blood pooling, thick blood, liver spots, low bilirubin levels and alcohol sensitivity. On POIS the liver might be so inflamed that might be working on only 5-30% of its normal rate. The liver must be detoxifyed and unburden after orgasm/POIS. See below.
  • Adrenal -> Cortisol excess followed by cortisol decline -> inflammation, testosterone deficiency. Cushing's syndrome (break down of vagus nerve/collagen/intestinal flora etcetera), Addison's disease.
  • CNS (Central Nervous System) - > tingeling, difficult to breath, sudden urge to urinate
  • Blood vessels/blood - > varicose veins, blood pooling (thick blood) because of clumping platelets
  • Intestines - > Bloating, gas, candida, leaky gut which leads to vitamin deficiency, advanced hormonal imblances, SIBO, auto-immune disorders and headache
  • Gonads  -> Testosterone deficiency
 
Deficiencies of any theese hormones is a sign of comprimised function in the pitutary and hypothalamus:

Adrenocorticotrophic hormone (ACTH) (targets the Adrenals)
Thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) (targets the Thyroid, temperature controlling, heart rate)
Luteinising hormone (LH) (targets the testes)
Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) (targets the testes)
Prolactin (PRL)
Growth hormone (GH) (Stimulates growth and repair)
Melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH)
Antidiuretic hormone (ADH) (Controls the blood fluid and mineral levels in the body by affecting water retention by the kidneys. This hormone is also known vasopressin or argenine vasopressin (AVP)). Deficiency leads to dryeness, low blood pressure and varicose veins.
Oxytocin (anabolic hormone that heals osteoporosis)
Corticotropin-releasing hormone (helps regulate metabolism and immune response by working with the pituitary gland and adrenal gland to release certain steroids)
Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (instructs the pituitary gland to release more hormones that keep the sexual organs working)
Prolactin-controlling hormones
Thyrotropin-releasing hormone (activates the thyroid, which releases the hormones that regulate metabolism, energy levels, and developmental growth)

Furthermore, a damaged organ can give diffrent symptoms depending on the stage of the degeneration, for example: Adrenal exhustion will first produce symptoms of high cortisol, but long term adrenal exhaustion will have symptoms of low cortisol. And that might even change during the day. The most tangible symptoms are probably coming from a comprimised liver, hypothalamus, adrenals and intestines.

Measures and prospects

Do not despair! I believe the odds for healing partly or totally are pretty good. The body has an amazing capacity to heal itself and there are so many therapies, products and methods that helps with this - you couldn't even try them all in a life time. Get inspiration by reading the testimonials at sites like earthclinic.com. In my work I've also witnessed how people can cure themself from serious diseases and strengthen their immue systems with good nutrition and changing their diet. This will always make your body stronger, more resistant and heal some of the pois caused injuries. It should be included in the pois protocol. However, in the case of POIS this approach is not enough.

Since there are more factors involved than only nutrition/diet the critical point is to be determined and tenaciously following a protocol for an extended time, often at least a year. The best shot is of course to find a true holistic hormonal expert that can analyse and adjust your hormonal status. However it is not easy to find an expert that has the sufficient knowledge. There's a big risk that your not getting any hormonal treatment at all or getting a wrong hormonal treatment that supresses your own ability to heal. The only true expert I know is dr Thierry Hertoghes clinic in Belgium. However that treatment is very expensive. Also remember that even if you manage to "hide" one symptom or block one viscious pathway (stop inflammation with paracetamol or curcumin), if you dont reverse the underlying cause, your body will continue to degenerate "behind the scenes" and you will probably be subjected to even worse diseases in the future.

Fixing the main cause of POIS (the "cure").

  • Completely quit fapping/viewing porn and inappropriate sexual thoughts for good , and during the healing phase you should also reduce orgasm to normal sexal intercourse with parner to once a month (the anti-inflammatory hormon oxitocin is beeing produced in higher amounts upon skin contact) or better stop it completely for a year. Strengten your mental resistance. Each day without any erotic thoughs is a victory for your brain health and will probably have huge positive effects on the dopamine receptors. If you are struggling with nocturnal emission (wet dreams) that will also decrease when taking above measures.
  • Reduce stress what ever it takes. If you can eliminate stress and feel calm and happy all day your POIS might even be gone in a week - the hormonal system has an amazing ability to restore itself - Yoga, meditaion, baths, walks, fun people etcetera. Take a nap durung the day or close your eyses and do slow breathing for 1-5 minutes.
  • Improve your posture and vagus nerve. Acording to a poll about 40% of POISers are engineerrs and thus sitting alot in front of the computer screen. I have ALOT of screen time in my days. This posture blocks blood and oxygen supply to your brain. Maybe this is a contributing factor to some POIS symptoms, at least the headache. Go to a therapist that works with your neck and vagus nerve.
  • Restore your circadian rytm. Get sunshine on your body and in your eyes, specially in the morning. Beeing out in the sunshine increases cortisol dramatically. It improves your sleep quality which is extremely important to heal the body and restore hormonal balances. Don't go to bed later than 10:30 pm. Don't watch TV/computer/smartphone screens 1 hour before bed and lower the lighting in your home the last 2-3 hours before bed.
  • Eat for your hormones! Specific the testosterone (PALEO, meat/cholesterol-diet). See my "how to increase testosterone" thread here
For short-term relief use one of the POIS-packs described in this forum and for accute relief after orgasm, read up on my "Actions to take after orgasm (post-packs)" thread here. But this is important: While there seems to be single supplements and pharmaceuticals that easy your symptoms (testosterone patches / niacine / quercitine or drugs-with-strange-names etcetera) they don't cure POIS and should not be relied on as a long termed sollution. Thats why a potential future POIS-drug will never be a sollution (a drug is not a "sollution" for any disease). The real sollution lies in avoiding the cause and restoring the body. No pill will ever do that, period. Of cource there might be cases where your body has been so harmed that it is incapable to produce certain substances/hormones or manage detoxification and you will be dependant on a certain substance, but that is not considered as a "cure". However I dont belive that is the case for at least 90% of all POIS:ers.

Focus areas for restoring damaged organs:
  • Heal leaky gut/SIBO. Extremely important but can be very difficult because of stubborn bacteria and/or fungus. You should see a therapist to make a "SIBO test" or take an online guided cource. Intermittent fasting (not eating between 5 pm and 10 am) getting on a low/no fodmap diet, anti-candida diet (specifically if you have white coated tounge) and eating bonebroth soup and glutamine supplement might be a thing to start with immidiatly. OBS! Read this if you are planning to drink bone broth and if you have a Mast Cell Activation Syndrome or Histamine Intolerance. Oregano oil and garlic-supplement (not the fresh) are used to supress the bad bacteria. Probiotics are important, but its tricky and should be discussed and tuned with the help of a therapist since the taking wrong probiotics might be counteractive.
  • Exercise! Do moderate and regular exercise and get sweaty at least one time a week. Set the egg timer on 30 minutes and get upp from your chair and do some moves, jumps, skipping rope or whatever. Walk at least 5 000 steps every day (preferably 10 000), buy a pedometer to get motivated
  • Take the missing supplements (vitamins/minerals/herbs/fats) for your hormones and immune system.
  • A few people might need hormonal theraphy (testosterone/cortisol) and/or the POIS-packs for the rest or their life to achieve 100 % relief. Progesterone cream might be a good idea to increas hormones.
  • Boost the liver! The liver cleans the blood which is important for headache relief. Your liver produces one litre of bile every day. Bile is antiinflammatory and inhibits bad bacteria in the gut. It can stop SIBO! Bile is essential for the detoxification of the liver, as well as for the digestion and absorption of fats and fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K). Many POISers report deficiencies in theese vitamins. NO for: sugar/alchohol, high fat diet, heavy protein. YES for Vitamin C, water, B-complex, fish, green tea, berries, leafy grens, broccoli (if it doesnt produce gas) etcetera. Se Dr Axe recommendations here and Quantums liver detoxification post here.
  • Regenerate the other organs (adrenals, hypothalamus, thyroid etc) with nutritional protocols and therapies (more is coming here...)

How's it working for me?

2021 first half year update: Some of the above measues and theories are quite new discoveries for me and I'm still struggeling to incorporate the things above into my life. I'm on a one year SIBO-protocol since a year ago and its beginning to give some results now, but I cant say if its the SIBO diet or other things on the list above that gives effect - I'm doing all the things at the same time, its more like a lifestyle change. There is still bloating/constipation but after taking a magnesiumoxide supplement at least I managed to constipation (now I have diarrhea if I only take two pills instead of one). During this time I have experienced two periods (about 1-2 months) with almost zero POIS symptoms and I could almost have 2-3 O with no symptomns. I havnt feel this good for a very long time but I cant put the finger on what I'm doing that is making this change. Maybe the improvements come succesive and when I feel good I start to do and eat things that is making it worse again. But at least this has made me believe that its possible to feel almost 100% better. I just have to stay to the "improvement plan".

A new discovery is that my present gut situation and sleep pattern has way more impact on the POIS symptoms then i thought, even if I have no NE/O at all. I think my small intestine is in a poor condition (due to years of inflammation) and everytime I eat starchy food, sugar and some fodmaps I get a POIS-like outbreak (even with no NE/O) with redness on mucous membranes, bad smelling gas, headach, neck pain, skin rash, varicose veins etcetera.

I have also found that if I take 5-20 drops of orenano oil (mixed with another oil) and garlic capsules, after eating something that normally triggers the POIS-symptoms, I will have much less symptoms in the coming days since it kills the bad bacteria that would have otherwise gone wild on the starch/sugar/fodmaps. Bad bacteria might be one of the weakest points right now and this will have a negative impact on nutritional intake and hormonal balance. I'm experimenting with diffrent brand probiotic, but the "killing off" effect seems to give much better result than just repopulating. A combination might be the best.

The post-packs have some effects and staying away from orgasm, going to bed early and not watching action movies or the computer at least one hour before sleep, going for walks in the sun early after breakfast (to raise the cortisol) makes life better. Nocturnal emissions are a constant pitfall so the post pack measures are invaluable. But now and then I seem to come out of the NE pretty well too, but only if I'm good at doing the other things for a lengt of time (at least 2 weeks). I havnt got control over the "heights" yet but it seems that its very possible since I have days when the pois is almost gone completely even after O. I think avoiding nocturnal emission, cut down the O to once a month, daily exercise and improving sleep is is making the biggest diffrence. Its pretty hard not to forget doing one or two things on the list at a daily basis though.

Analyzes

Become an analysis freak! Do any analysis you can afford. Self-analysis is very important. Keep documentation of your body (even take photos) and check your puls, heart rate, temperature and write down every results from analyses and diagnosis from healthcare and therapists. Keep a diary and note your health status on a daily or weekly basis. Specify all your health issues on a document, and estimate how big they are and how they changes. Figure out what works and what doesn't.

Recomended tests
Lactulase SIBO test ($200)
DNA stool test (about $400)
Hair mineral analysis ($200)
Full blood spectrum analysis ($150-$400)
Dutch complete hormonal test ($600)

Because of the brain fog involved in POIS it is nessecary to write down things because your memory could fail you. When I started to do this I got a feeling that I was going somewhare. That was a mental support especially when your feeling down.

Frequency analysis techniques (like QRMA and Bioresonance) has been invaluable in the evaluation of my body's condition and treatment. What makes it so interesting is that one analyses has confirmed the other and the result confirms my symptoms.

Metodology
When you update your personal research on a daily basis you are much more likely to control your health then if you only just do it when you feel bad.

Create the following folders on your computer:
- Analyses (external and self analyses)
- Diary (daily observations)
- My protocol (daily plan, supplements and measures, write start and end/update date and save old protocols)
- Plan. Whats your next step? (therapists, doctors to visit)
- NO/YES list. Write down things that work for you and things that should absolutely be avoided. We tend to forget those things and relapse.

Make routines for going to bed, the morning and the day. Make lists of daily routines that improve your POIS and life (exercise, supplements what to eat and what not to eat) and adjust those lists when you have new information. The lists becomes your best friend when you have a setback.

At the doctors office

Since its both difficult and embarrassing to explain your POIS symptoms to your doctor here is a list of things you can download and bring/send to your doctor that explaines POIS in a more scientific way. That might get the doctors attention without dismissing you that easy.

How can you help others?
  • Write your own story in this thread as a separate post. Be detailed about your symptoms and your conclutions.
  • Answer the polls in the poll section
  • Share the results of your medical tests in this thread
  • Make methodical analysis of the information in this forum and publich in the appropriate threads

Eye openers

Things that had the most influence on my researth and important sources of information.
Visiting a chineese doctor.
Cortisol Deficiency: Frequent, Life-Impairing, and How to Give Patients Their Lives Back By Correcting It
Cause of my POIS? - Investigation & update (post orgasmic illness syndrome) (Youtube video)
Dr Axe: What is colllagen?
SIBO expert Dr. Allison Siebecker
Success Story: Curing My Patient?s Lupus, Leaky Gut, Depression, Brain Fog?.Starting at the Gut
Lifestyle Diary and POIS Summaries, specifically
IronFeather's case (female, 25 years old)
Nanna1's POIS treatment: theory & supplement stack
Chart of POIS Types (ongoing project)
Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results
Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread

My compillations and contributions to this forum
How to increase testosterone naturally
Low cortisole
How to increase low blood pressure
Actions to take after orgasm (post-packs)
How to increase testosterone naturally

Some words of encouragement

POIS is a horrible battle, but giving up is not an option. What's the alternative? Your responsible for your own health and what you are doing for yourself is giving you the most results. Take total controll over the situation, but constantly seek help from others. Organise your efforts. Make plans fo the next step.

When you have a setback, or if you feel guily over something you did to yourself remember this: There is only a moment of now and you can only affect the present and the future, it's impossible to change the past so don't be sorry over what has happened. I dont think anyone is making an ever growing list of your past mistakes, on the contrary, your family, friends, and the "universe", or whatever you like to call it, are certainly more interested in watching you climbing up the pit, rather than burden you with old sins - whats the point of that? Always turn over a new leaf, every day if you have to.

There is just a rest-of-your life. We seem to forget bad things and remember the good things. We miss that family vacation to the wilderness but forget the rain or mosquitoes that ruined the trip. When you get POIS, look at it as an opportunity to give yourself more clues. Document your health in the morning, day and evening, before food, after food. What happens when you fast? Does it makes it better? What happens when you take a walk? When you drink alot of water? What supplements help? Take notes, analyse it after the POIS period and improve your protocol so your more prepared next time.

When your steering towards improving your life in a intentional and persistant way you will be given opportunities, new solloutions, new people and new ideas. Be open for alternative explanations and dont blindly trust the "ortodox" scientific establishment and doctors - they are permeated by research fraud and incompetence. There are far more sources of information and therapies out there than you think. Noone has "tryed them all" in a lifetime. I can assure you that your body has a greater ability of healing itself then you might think.

Conclutions

I belive most POISers can be cured or almost cured by:

1. Stop fapping
2. Stop orgasm for a year
3. Get out of mental addictions
4. Fix your gut (clean, repopulate)
5. Fix your diet
6. Remove stress
7. Exercise
8. Sleep well
(9. Hormonal replacement therapy might be needed for some people)

The most difficult of theese steps might be to fixing the gut and removing stress. Removing bad bacteria from your gut might be as tough as escaping from a stressful relation.
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