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[Starsky]

Whenever I start with a mega dose b Vitamin like b-50 or now coenyzme bcomplex i get some b vitamins deficiency symptoms like canker sores and i feel tired. I think when i take megadoses my body tries get off rid of them and after a few hours i get some deficiency symptoms because my body cant use such doses of b vitamin. I feel ok when I take no larger doses of b vitamin not more than 10mg each.

[B_Daniel]

keep us updated Starsky!   I'm very interested how this works out for you!  The B Vitamins definitely helped me for a bit. 

[kurtosis]

Read an interesting study by Taiwanese researchers that showed ginkgo lowered prolactin levels after O with a resulting increase in dopamine levels. The test was done on rats and the levels of ginkgo administered were quite high (the equivalent of people taking > 1 gram of ginkgo / day) but the effect was significant. Diminished sexual fatigue in the rats.

KY Yeh et al., "Dopamine, Prolactin and Ginkgo Biloba." Horm Behav. 2011 Jan;53(1):225-31.

[kurtosis]

Can anyone taking ginkgo, b's and protein tell me what you're taking and how often?
Just post it to the forum.

[Hoping]

Read an interesting study by Taiwanese researchers that showed ginkgo lowered prolactin levels after O with a resulting increase in dopamine levels. The test was done on rats and the levels of ginkgo administered were quite high (the equivalent of people taking > 1 gram of ginkgo / day) but the effect was significant. Diminished sexual fatigue in the rats.

KY Yeh et al., "Dopamine, Prolactin and Ginkgo Biloba." Horm Behav. 2011 Jan;53(1):225-31.

VERY interesting. I haven't tried ginkgo. I know it's popped up every once in a while on the forum. Have you tried it?

[kurtosis]

Read an interesting study by Taiwanese researchers that showed ginkgo lowered prolactin levels after O with a resulting increase in dopamine levels. The test was done on rats and the levels of ginkgo administered were quite high (the equivalent of people taking > 1 gram of ginkgo / day) but the effect was significant. Diminished sexual fatigue in the rats.

KY Yeh et al., "Dopamine, Prolactin and Ginkgo Biloba." Horm Behav. 2011 Jan;53(1):225-31.

VERY interesting. I haven't tried ginkgo. I know it's popped up every once in a while on the forum. Have you tried it?

Yes, sure have. I take 120mg some days and 240 mg on alternate days. Seems to be working well for me so long as I get b vitamins and lots of tyrosine enriched protein sources.

[Ccconfucius]

is coq10 important i bought a co enzyme vit b wit exact same thing as now but no coq10.

[kurtosis]

is coq10 important i bought a co enzyme vit b wit exact same thing as now but no coq10.

Nope, it's not critical.
Let me know what else you're taking.

[jivetalk]

Hey Kurtosis,

Here's what I'm taking.

Morning:
100mg Now Foods Co-Enzyme B Complex
250mg Magnesium
120mg Ginko
2 Tablets of Now Foods Spirulina
2 Tablets of Now Foods Krill Oil
2 Tablets of Fish Oil

Afternoon:
4 Tablets Fish Oil
60mg Ginko

Evening:
Usually only 4 Tablets of Fish Oil
On Evenings that I plan to O, I will take another Co-Enzyme Tablet along with 300mg of Niacin.

I've given up on the Huperzine and Zinc, as both of those seem to give me back more of my Cognitive POIS Symptoms.

JT

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[kurtosis]

Hey Kurtosis,

Here's what I'm taking.

Morning:
100mg Now Foods Co-Enzyme B Complex
250mg Magnesium
120mg Ginko
2 Tablets of Now Foods Spirulina
2 Tablets of Now Foods Krill Oil
2 Tablets of Fish Oil

Afternoon:
4 Tablets Fish Oil
60mg Ginko

Evening:
Usually only 4 Tablets of Fish Oil
On Evenings that I plan to O, I will take another Co-Enzyme Tablet along with 300mg of Niacin.

I've given up on the Huperzine and Zinc, as both of those seem to give me back more of my Cognitive POIS Symptoms.

JT

It's odd that huperzine was creating cognitive problems.

My supplementation looks like
Morning:
- Now b complex.
- carnitine complex with both taurine & acetyl l-carnitine. This is great stuff in my experience. The theory is that acetyl l-carnitine increases the sensitivity to NGF in causing dendrite growth in your brain while acetyl l-carnitine arginate hydrochloride is an agonist of NGF receptors. It really does seem to have a stimulating effect on memory and has given me tonnes of energy. Taurine may help balance a Noradrenaline versus dopamine bias.
- 1 krill oil

Lunch:
I have some vitamin C and ginkgo after lunch. No "slump" in the middle of the day.

Evening:
In the evening I take 120mg of ginkgo.

Protein with 2 meals of the day that is rich in tyrosine. I.e. a yoghurt, spirulina or some lactose free whey protein. I bought the now natural stuff as I don't like some of the sweeteners in other proteins.

If I have an O and notice any symptoms I'll take some protein (yoghurt is good, so is whey and spirulina) and a krill oil. I notice some symptoms about 50% of the time. I've had some O's that felt POIS free. Overall, things are still improving on a week by week basis. I feel good.

[Daveman]

"carnitine complex with both taurine & acetyl l-carnitine"

I'm sorry  you've probably said it a thousand times, but where do you get this? + name and dose

[kurtosis]

"carnitine complex with both taurine & acetyl l-carnitine"

I'm sorry  you've probably said it a thousand times, but where do you get this? + name and dose

Solgar Carnitine Complex or any product containing acetyl l-carnitine arginate. All available from a well known Internet seller that rhymes with spamazon
Jarrow do a product called ALCAR 500 which doesn't contain taurine. You could buy this and also buy L-taurine which is relatively cheap itself.   All such products should contain acetyl l-carnitine and the arginate form. They work well together. ALCAR and the Solgar carntine complex are very expensive as this form of the carnitine amino acid is covered by a production patent. I've also seen these supplements at wildly different prices so shop around.

I take the carnitine complex now and have come to regard it as focus in a pill. It doesn't feel like a stimulant in the way caffeine does. I'm aware of having more energy and thinking more clearly but it's not a rush or a sudden thing. The effects built up with a week of use. It should be taken on an empty stomach.

I really like the ginkgo though. 240mg on "O days" and I'm fine.

[sameer7777]

i was also very surprised when i bought high doses of vit b from gnc  and the tablet was giving me more problems feeling more tired and stuff .....
so agree from top may be it does not work so i through it away after trying 4 times ......
now i am still looking for some more vit i dont know what to buy ?

should i buy vitamin for men from gnc ?
i dont kniow .......??

i tried every vitamin ... nothing works .....

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[kurtosis]

i was also very surprised when i bought high doses of vit b from gnc  and the tablet was giving me more problems feeling more tired and stuff .....
so agree from top may be it does not work so i through it away after trying 4 times ......
now i am still looking for some more vit i dont know what to buy ?

should i buy vitamin for men from gnc ?
i dont kniow .......??

i tried every vitamin ... nothing works .....

If it didn't work for me, I wouldn't be taking them.

Taking a b-vitamin has never made me feel tired or sick.

GNC vitamins for men has a Mega Men Prostate. I've never tried it but the ingredients look useful. However, GNC mega men vitamins have a huge number of ingredients, increasingly the possibility that there's something in it that you're  intolerant to.

I'm also taking ginkgo (240mg) and taurine every day. My taurine might be in this carnitine complex but it's the equivalent of about 500mg every morning. I noticed that some of what I experience after an O is pain and taking taurine helps relieve that.

I'm also getting complete protein in the form of yoghurt and lactose free whey. Tyrosine is good for producing dopamine but the calming neurotransmitter GABA requires glutamine and glucose. Taurine can also increase GABA levels. Milk based protein is really good for providing all this and I've just had to find alternatives with little lactose to get the benefits.

Someone can skip the acetyl l-carnitine if they want (it's expensive) but I wouldn't skip b's, ginkgo and taurine.

I wasn't allergic to any of the ingredients I'm taking and I was about a  week into taking b's and ginkgo before I noticed major improvements. I'd been taking b's and protein for 2 months before then.

[B_Daniel]

I wanted to post an update on my progress. 

I've been taking Kurtosis' method for roughly 6 weeks.  While I was admittedly skeptical at first, the improvement to date has been significant.  This definitely works, but it takes time.  As my doctor told me at the 5 week point, it takes a long time for the body to refill dopamine/catecholamine levels that are as low as ours.  Within 5 weeks of usage, I had merely primed the pumps, and she estimated I might be 25% better.

I'm one of the POISers with constant pois.  The only benefit of this is that I can evaluate my pois on a day-to-day basis.  It took about 3-4 weeks before I noticed ANY improvement, but I was still concerned that slight improvement was just placebo as it was so minimal.  I'm finally confident to say that I feel much better than any 'placebo' could provide.  I'm excited for what the next 6 weeks holds. 

If you haven't begun taking all the vitamins Kurtosis recommends, now's a good time to start.  And they're just vitamins, so if you're on anti-depressants or any other drugs, you can keep that going.  Probably ask your doctor just to be safe but my doctor was okay with me taking these vitamins at the same time as my wellbutrin. 

[kurtosis]

Good to hear Daniel.

[Ccconfucius]

I wanted to post an update on my progress. 

I've been taking Kurtosis' method for roughly 6 weeks.  While I was admittedly skeptical at first, the improvement to date has been significant.  This definitely works, but it takes time.  As my doctor told me at the 5 week point, it takes a long time for the body to refill dopamine/catecholamine levels that are as low as ours.  Within 5 weeks of usage, I had merely primed the pumps, and she estimated I might be 25% better.

I'm one of the POISers with constant pois.  The only benefit of this is that I can evaluate my pois on a day-to-day basis.  It took about 3-4 weeks before I noticed ANY improvement, but I was still concerned that slight improvement was just placebo as it was so minimal.  I'm finally confident to say that I feel much better than any 'placebo' could provide.  I'm excited for what the next 6 weeks holds. 

If you haven't begun taking all the vitamins Kurtosis recommends, now's a good time to start.  And they're just vitamins, so if you're on anti-depressants or any other drugs, you can keep that going.  Probably ask your doctor just to be safe but my doctor was okay with me taking these vitamins at the same time as my wellbutrin. 

which one are you taking exactly.   

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