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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #180 on: September 13, 2012, 06:13:20 AM »
Thankyou for the detail answer I really appreciate it
I don't think I can hold of these meds here
I want to ask why I sweat alot why
Any one ???
Thankyou
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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« Reply #181 on: September 13, 2012, 06:23:23 AM »
I' m recicling the Hidroxil pills i bought some monts ago.
I had stopped taking them because made me feel crap. So now i'm dividing each pill in 6 parts and taking one part per day, then saving properly the other ones.
in this way i'm taking only about 50mg of b1 and b6 and some b12.
do you think vitamins could lose they effect in this way?

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« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2012, 06:37:22 AM »
Kurtosis, what do you think about this article? From steadyhealth.com:

So, what about effects of over-masturbation?
Internal body temperature is a bit higher than external body temperature. Internal body temperature increases with masturbation- this is the reason you feel more hot or sometimes even sweaty after masturbating. Considering that, we found following information: when person ejaculates, a “peristaltic movement of absorption takes place and by effect of the emptiness, the seminal vesicle tries to fill and humid air is absorbed through the penis which is later absorbed from the seminal vesicle to the lymphatic system, arriving at the brain producing a thermal shock and cold spaces between the cerebral neurons and cells and this affects cerebral, physical and nervous normality” (anael.org). Well, the same thing happens when having sex and not ejaculating in partner, but using removal method (which is very popular among steady couples), and not one source mentions that.  Later on same source mentions that seminal vesicle absorb air, which is transferred into brain, which may leads to stupidity and insanity. We think this is nonsense! Simply ask yourself- do you feel more stupid or more insane before/ after masturbation?!

Sperm contains DNA, which is carrier of the heredity genetic code, and RNA which contains enzymes, proteins, glucosides, lecithin, calcium, phosphorus, biological salts, testosterone, etc. However, the sperm is by far not the only substance in our body that contains DNA and RNA. When ejaculation is carried out, a very small percentage of this components (enzymes, proteins, glucosides, lecithin, calcium, phosphorus, biological salts, testosterone) are eliminated from the body. For example, when extracting calcium from the body one could cause him/ herself fatigue and pain in the bones. But we all know calcium (and all other components) are easily substituted with food. Actually, it is normal to extract 'old' components and replace them with new ones.

Over-masturbation, or more accurately said over-ejaculation stimulates parasympathetic nervous functions, which results in the over production of sex hormones: acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. Abnormally high levels of sex hormones cause brain and adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion. In other words: there is a big change of body chemistry when man or woman practices over-masturbation.

Hmm... is something wrong with body chemistry? Well, actually not- if there is balance. But if there is no balance, some other symptoms might occur. We are still talking about over-masturbation, not just masturbation!     

Another source points out that people who over-masturbate could experience problems with concentration and memory, which is supposedly a clear sign of “being over drained of acetylcholine”. According to some sources
over-masturbating can also drain the motor nerves, neuro-muscular endings, and tissues of acetylcholine and replace it with too much stress adrenalin which is where absentmindedness, memory loss, lack of concentration, and eye floaters come from.   


It sounds plausible that "over masturbating" could create a problem but there is no evidence as far as I'm aware that having an O a day produces devastating cognitive symptoms whereas POIS sufferers are suffering from these when they have even an O ever week or 2.  If there was, everybody would have POIS. However, everybody is familiar with feeling out of sorts if they have too much sex. They need to refuel their body, rebuild neurotransmitters and recuperate.

Some of us say they're suffering from POIS all the time. Honestly, I suspect the issue is hormonal. One possibility is an inability to regulate the testosterone to progesterone ratio properly. Progesterone has a calming effect on our CNS. 2 of the symptoms of progesterone deficiency in women are fatigue and increased anxiety. Theoretically, too little of it would raise norepinephrine. It's produces in the testes along with testosterone but they use the same basic ingredients. I've found that pregnenolone seems to relieve my POIS completely, particularly when combined with DHEA. I am NOT ADVOCATING trying this and any consumption of pro hormones must be medically supervised. Also, Demografx' testosterone therapy may free up the raw ingredients to produce more progesterone. I'm not sure if he's had all his hormone levels checked before and after he tried this treatment but I'd be interested to see the results if he has.

There are a few reasons why such an imbalance could happen. The end result could be a tendency to overproduce norepinephrine meaning any shock to our nervous system produces the symptoms of a panic attack. It would be really bad following an O because the body has a conditioned chemical response which evolved to refocus after a blissful state rather than worsen a shock state.

I also think there are LOTS of POIS sufferers out there but they've invented religious/spiritual or pseudo-medical reasons for the negative effects of an O as, globally, there is still a huge discomfort in talking about and treating sexual dysfunctions. I seriously doubt this the few hundred sufferers here are the only sufferers in the world.

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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #183 on: September 13, 2012, 06:43:24 AM »
Thankyou for the detail answer I really appreciate it
I don't think I can hold of these meds here
I want to ask why I sweat alot why
Any one ???
Thankyou

You might be answering your own question in your signature
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After Orgasm or even slight excitment,Cognitive disorder,depression, anxiety Attack , negative thoughts , nerves pain ,24 hour head stiffness , blocked nose ,Brain Fog, Insomnia.

So an O is the same as slight excitement and sweating is a symptom of too much norepinephrine and epinephrine i.e. a state of panic.
Read http://www.livestrong.com/article/239489-adrenal-gland-disorders-excessive-sweating/

If you have a doctor you can trust you may like to ask them if it's possible to get prescribed something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonidine
to deal specifically with a medical condition that you believe is making you anxious. You should discuss all your symptoms with them in detail. If you don't have a doctor you trust then get another one. As Demografx says, there are a lot of good reasons to fire your doctor.

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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2012, 06:52:23 AM »
I forgot to finish my point about over-masturbating. I suspect that there are many POIS sufferers who are following normal sexual practices but who believe that they're over indulging and deciding that their pain and suffering is punishment from god. A few google searches shows others describing POIS like symptoms.

Take a look at the Kinsey institute reports (perhaps we could contact them) or indeed other reports on what's normal sexual practice. Maybe there are some sufferers here who feel compelled to have multiple O's every day but that doesn't seem to be the case based on the forum. Most of us are happy if we have one a week :) I don't think we're overindulging and I hope nobody believes we're being punished.

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« Reply #185 on: September 13, 2012, 07:40:20 AM »
Getting more sweat after taking b6 50 mg
Do you know y and now what should I do
I also wanted to get b1 50 mg
Guide pls
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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« Reply #186 on: September 13, 2012, 10:03:39 AM »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #187 on: September 13, 2012, 10:11:25 AM »
should i try b co zym ?????????????
 why b6 50 mg giving me sweating ????????????
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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« Reply #188 on: September 13, 2012, 11:05:25 AM »
sameer, perhaps you can ask your doctor how much is good for YOU?
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #189 on: September 13, 2012, 12:57:38 PM »
should i try b co zym ?????????????
 why b6 50 mg giving me sweating ????????????


Sameer, Demografx speaks the truth. You're going to have to talk to your doctor about this.
Explain your symptoms like I said earlier.

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« Reply #190 on: September 13, 2012, 02:11:45 PM »
Quick question Kurtosis, do you find that you need to take the carnitine on an empty stomach for it to work? the label on the back says to do that, which is very inconvenient. Also, how much carnitine are you taking?

It seems the carnitine works by increasing fat metabolism, which is the main powerhouse for ATP, something I think we all could use.

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« Reply #191 on: September 13, 2012, 04:26:06 PM »
Ha ha what you guys talking about I have been to 15 doctors with my Pois symptoms and they think I am nuts
Cmon guys really shocked !! Lol !!
They think I am crazy
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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« Reply #192 on: September 13, 2012, 05:29:33 PM »
Quick question Kurtosis, do you find that you need to take the carnitine on an empty stomach for it to work? the label on the back says to do that, which is very inconvenient. Also, how much carnitine are you taking?

It seems the carnitine works by increasing fat metabolism, which is the main powerhouse for ATP, something I think we all could use.

It works well when you take it first thing in the morning. I don't eat for about 30 minutes and I can feel its affects by then. That and the b vitamins.  I only take one tablet of the solgar carnitine complex and one of the b coenzyme. I take my first ginkgo when I get into work.

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« Reply #193 on: September 15, 2012, 09:56:37 AM »
I think I've found the link between what works for Demografx (hormone treatment) and what seems to be working for others (trying to boost dopamine while reducing stress - norepinephrine).
Orgasms are associated with a norepinephrine spike. Dopamine spikes too and then appears to be quickly brought down by prolactin.
So why might testosterone help with catecholamine imbalance? Because that's one of the key roles of testosterone in the body.
- Testosterone increases dopamine levels.
- It increases Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) levels (see reports of DHEA-S and the apparently safer 7-keto DHEA reductions in thyroid disease)
http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/57%20Suppl%201/57_S119.pdf
- Testosterone appears to calm the brain and reduces dopamine to norepinephrine conversion.
- Also, when TSH levels are too low, the body produces norepinephrine to compensate. This is supposed to be a short term measure as elevated nor* is a stress state which elevates cortisol and is unhealthy. Increasing testosterone will reduce the requirement to do this, having a double calming effect on norepinephrine production.
- An estradiol to testosterone imbalance can lead to poor concentration and quick temper / frustration.
- Testosterone in an anti-inflammatory which helps reduce inflammatory cytokines. These effectively create the appearance of allergic reactions to things that we wouldn't otherwise be allergic to. Where I'm going with this is that it's a chicken & egg thing to decide between a semen allergy (or allergy to anything else) in someone with a hormonal synthesis problem.
See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15240608

Let's say the allergic reaction occurred in the gut and was affecting nutrient absorption which reduced thyroid function and testosterone synthesis. Then the allergic reaction may be at fault. Let's say there's a hormonal imbalance and the person gets acne, skin inflammations and other allergic reactions that are the result of out of control cytokine production. Then it's the hormonal imbalance that's at fault. There's a degree of undecidability here and treating the allergy or treating the hormonal imbalance may both reduce symptoms.
I'm thinking of this paper http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20722061?dopt=Abstract

Testosterone treatment initially makes someone suffering from hypogonadism (I guess that's the label that was applied to Demo) feel very perky as they get a dopamine rush from increased dopamine in a brain whose dopamine receptors have unregulated to cope with less dopamine. After a while this reduces but in a case of genuine hypogonadism (or similar hormone production issue) then TRT should continue to show benefits. In cases where an issue doesn't exist then TRT reduces internal testosterone synthesis. This is a known problem for body builders who have used this stuff as their testicular hormonal production is squashed.

So this is pretty interesting in my opinion. There are examples of people with pheochromocytoma that wasn't noticed because of TRT (it compensated for it) and people with hormonal synthesis problems that were masked by the consumption of MAO inhibitors (alpha & beta-blockers)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor for more information about MAO inhibitors.
Incidentally, Quercetin which is a compound in Ginkgo appears to be a mild MAO-A but stronger MAO-B inhibitor. i.e. this may improve dopamine levels and dopamine to norepinephrine balance.

POIS could have more than one root cause and multiple treatments may improve the cognitive symptoms or allergic symptoms or both.
Note, this is not encouragement to take anything. I'm just pulling information together & trying to figure out the commonality between what people are saying is helping them and what isn't.

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« Reply #194 on: September 15, 2012, 11:06:37 AM »
I have yet to try the b-vitamin combination, but I did try huperzine and it did have some benefit. I noticed it significantly improved my memory and slightly improved my cognitive function in general. I've been taking 200mcg per day since monday 8/27 and stopped today so about 3 weeks. I took it along with fenugreek, green tea, and omega 3 fish oil caps.

I would say it works better than ginkgo and the effect lasts longer from each dose than ginkgo.

Edit- Forgot to mention that one of the key indicators for an improved memory is that I can almost always remember my dreams when I wake up (in the days I was taking huperzine). Even when I was taking ginkgo I couldn't remember my dreams that well.
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Taking ginger tea, no wheat, fenugreek+green tea/garlic, saw palmetto, niacin, boswellia, huperzine, B complex and nutmeg. See my treatment summary post for more info: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513

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« Last Edit: September 15, 2012, 02:56:06 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #196 on: September 15, 2012, 02:52:17 PM »
I have yet to try the b-vitamin combination, but I did try huperzine and it did have some benefit. I noticed it significantly improved my memory and slightly improved my cognitive function in general. I've been taking 200mcg per day since monday 8/27 and stopped today so about 3 weeks. I took it along with fenugreek, green tea, and omega 3 fish oil caps.

I would say it works better than ginkgo and the effect lasts longer from each dose than ginkgo.

Edit- Forgot to mention that one of the key indicators for an improved memory is that I can almost always remember my dreams when I wake up (in the days I was taking huperzine). Even when I was taking ginkgo I couldn't remember my dreams that well.

I found that ginkgo works better. I only get a big effect from huperzine unless I've been taking ginkgo. This may be another example of the subtle differences in people's POIS or it may also be related to the ginkgo source. I've bought 3 different brands of ginkgo. 2 worked great and one seemed to make my stomach feel sick and didn't work as effectively. Haven't figured out what it was.

BTW, thanks for the kind words prancer.

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« Reply #197 on: September 15, 2012, 03:38:21 PM »
Which brands of ginkgo do you use?

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« Reply #198 on: September 16, 2012, 02:43:53 PM »
Which brands of ginkgo do you use?

Now Ginkgo, GNC Ginkgo.
I tried a ginkgo with ginseng but that's not a good idea if you think you may have a problem with elevated norephinephrine. My experience with ginseng is different to other non-POIS sufferers. I find it makes me more anxious and reduces the benefits I experience with ginkgo. I've heard others say ginseng helps them deal with stress so I'm guessing the difference is norepinephrine levels.  A big guess but hey... my guesses are sure working for me :)

More interesting research.

Use of taurine in managing norepinephrine levels. As I've said a few times, I take this with acetyl l-carnitine.

A modulating role of taurine on release of acetylcholine and norepinephrine from neuronal tissues.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/691871

Modulation of noradrenaline uptake and release by taurine in rat cerebral slices.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6527772

Oddly it seems that higher sodium intake may reduce norepinephrine but it will then raise blood pressure. This may explain some of the short-term success of Going Crazy's Salt+C treatment but increased salt intake wouldn't be a good idea of course.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/422701

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« Reply #199 on: September 19, 2012, 09:09:57 PM »
After taking ginkgo biloba, I experience lethargy all day long. I think it doesn't suit me. I'd like to try protein supplement like spirulina in near future, because brewer's yeast which is rich in protein seems to help a little (reducing NE especially).
It started ever since my first orgasm. It lasts exactly for 7 days. Symptoms mainly in the brain: extreme mental  fatigue, difficulty concentrating, inability to comprehend/retain what is read,shortened attention span, loss of speech fluency, cloudy mindedness, mild headache, and anxiousness