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« Reply #2020 on: January 29, 2018, 04:26:50 PM »
UPDATE

Guys, I've been trying beets for a couple of times for the past several weeks, they're work incredibly. As I said I'm in Nofap period, but I tend to masturbate without ejaculation just to calm myself. at the same time I suffer from a minor body fatigue that last for maybe 12 hours, but I tried to eat beets right after I masturbate without ejaculation, they completely eliminate my minor body fatigue in the next day. And I remember I used it once after an ejaculation, the body fatigue was mild, but not as good as eating it after fapping without ejaculation.

damn this forum is amazing. I cut them and eat them with peanut butter, because they taste bad  :-X.

I might ejaculate this weekend and with trying the niacin for the first time, so excited.  ;D

PS: I just noticed the forum doesn't ask me what is b/f anymore in every goddamn post ;D, that was a huge burden.
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Re: This may seem like a familiar place.
« Reply #2021 on: January 29, 2018, 05:04:13 PM »
UPDATE

Guys, I've been trying beets for a couple of times for the past several weeks, they're work incredibly. As I said I'm in Nofap period, but I tend to masturbate without ejaculation just to calm myself. at the same time I suffer from a minor body fatigue that last for maybe 12 hours, but I tried to eat beets right after I masturbate without ejaculation, they completely eliminate my minor body fatigue in the next day. And I remember I used it once after an ejaculation, the body fatigue was mild, but not as good as eating it after fapping without ejaculation.

damn this forum is amazing. I cut them and eat them with peanut butter, because they taste bad  :-X.

I might ejaculate this weekend and with trying the niacin for the first time, so excited.  ;D

PS: I just noticed the forum doesn't ask me what is b/f anymore in every goddamn post ;D, that was a huge burden.

Well, it seems that beets can raise testosterone levels. In fact, it is one of those foods that can greatly enhance free testosterone production. You're not the first one who claims that beets help against POIS, if I remember well. Demografx also had a great success with testosterone!  ;D

Beets. These red root vegetables are a great source of boron, which is necessary for the production of testosterone, especially free testosterone. Some experts claim beets and their juice boost testosterone production via methylation, a process by which certain chemicals (methyl groups) are added to different parts of proteins, DNA, and other molecules to keep them functioning properly. Methylation is like the finishing touch that allows a substance or component to take the final step in its process or task.

https://www.everydaymale.com/foods-that-boost-testosterone-levels/

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« Reply #2022 on: January 30, 2018, 12:03:28 AM »
Beets are also a great source of betaïne, also called TMG ( trimethylglycine), which is good for supporting the methylation function.  TMG is a good methyl donor.

As can be deduct from its name, betaine was first found in beets.
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« Reply #2023 on: January 30, 2018, 12:32:51 PM »
...Demografx also had a great success with testosterone!  ;D
For about 10 years now. It’s not perfect, not good for everyone, & there are dangers. We must all be careful with *any* powerful drug. My doctor continually monitors and ADJUSTS my dosage. Don’t try it without a doctor monitoring you!

Thanks, Observer, for bringing it up.




« Last Edit: January 30, 2018, 01:24:57 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2024 on: January 30, 2018, 05:25:57 PM »
Be carefull with beet juice. It contains nitrate. Using a lot of nitrate can cause cancer. You can drink beet juice, but not on a daily basis. I will try it too. But not every day. Don’t drink beet juice on the days you eat nitrate rich food like fish, spinach, endive and Chinese cabbage.
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« Reply #2025 on: January 30, 2018, 05:57:02 PM »
...Demografx also had a great success with testosterone!  ;D
For about 10 years now. It’s not perfect, not good for everyone, & there are dangers. We must all be careful with *any* powerful drug. My doctor continually monitors and ADJUSTS my dosage. Don’t try it without a doctor monitoring you!

Thanks, Observer, for bringing it up.

Excellent demo.

I think it is very important to underline the risks associated with this treatment. It is not something to do on your own without medical supervision.

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« Reply #2026 on: January 30, 2018, 09:18:45 PM »
I think that we should contact this man https://www.google.ba/search?q=dr+house&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxyvn2vPnYAhXM0aQKHfXqBAYQ_AUICigB&biw=853&bih=529#imgrc=YoInOOpp6aZHdM:

Well, I think he died in the last episode, so it's too late !            ;D  ;D  ;D

                                                                                              ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #2027 on: January 31, 2018, 10:32:13 AM »
Be carefull with beet juice. It contains nitrate. Using a lot of nitrate can cause cancer. You can drink beet juice, but not on a daily basis. I will try it too. But not every day. Don’t drink beet juice on the days you eat nitrate rich food like fish, spinach, endive and Chinese cabbage.

I'm eating raw beets, is there a difference?

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« Reply #2028 on: January 31, 2018, 12:06:51 PM »
Be carefull with beet juice. It contains nitrate. Using a lot of nitrate can cause cancer. You can drink beet juice, but not on a daily basis. I will try it too. But not every day. Don’t drink beet juice on the days you eat nitrate rich food like fish, spinach, endive and Chinese cabbage.

I'm eating raw beets, is there a difference?

TLDR version:  nitrates from your daily salami, pepperoni, ham and the like are far more dangerous that the overall healthy beets.  Antioxidant intake from fruits and veggies or from supplements like vitamin C have a protective effect.



Hi Vandemolen, Meshal and everyone,

Thanks, Vandemolen, for underlying the nitrates concern about beets.

There is also naturally occurring nitrates in whole beets, just like in htie juice.  But those are less a problem than nitrates and nitrites injected in processed meat and delicatessen, as preservatives, and to give them a pink color.  So, all processed meat and delicatessen, like in the classical ham sandwiches, are more a problem, concerning cancer risks, so when you go to the grocery, buy nitrates-free meat, whenever available ( if it is not specified as nitrate-free, it sure contains nitrates, so read the labels carefully - you will often see "sodium nitrate" in the ingredients).  Organic meat, of course, is safe as well.

Nitates are not the cancer-causing molecule per se.  It is nitrosamine, a derivative of nitrates, that is causing cancer.   Nitrosamine are formed when nitrates are heated at high temperatrue in the presence of protein or other sources of amines, so when cooking processed meat with nitrates and nitrites, you have all the conditions to produce nitrosamines.... and then you eat this.  Industrial and processed food are full of these toxic products, so be aware of what you eat !   This could be on of the reason why colon cancers are so frequent in developped countries, and much less in poor, "developing" countries where they barely eat meat and have no grocery stores selling processed meat ( but do not wait for any official statement soon on this topic... just take note that more companies are now offering meats free of nitrites and nitrates, just like more groceries offer organic fruits and veggies with no pesticides and chemical on and in them )

As one can deduct, you have far less risks from beets, because :

1- beets do not contains much proteins, almost none compared to meat, and the presence of proteins is needed for nitrosamine production

2-Beets are very high in antioxydants, as often the case with highly pigmented fruits and veggies, so these are blocking the oxidation of nitrates to nitrosamine.  Some studies have even been done with beet roots extract in cancer treatment, and the risk of the nitrate content seems to be offset by the antioxidant content, as there is strong evidence that veggies having a high level of nitrates are, despite this, lowering cancer risks - see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26914827

3- beets are not always cooked/heated, so if eaten raw, or made in juice with no heating, no nitrosamines are produced in the process, and risks fall accordingly ( also, not suprising to me, organic fermented beet juice show more anticancer activity than conventionnal, non-organic juice - ref:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24798659 )


Also, if you have a healthy diet, with lots of antioxydants, or simply take a vitamin C supplement, or other antioxydant supplementation ( Vit E, polyphenols, carotenoids, etc...), this will protect, at least in part, from nitrosamines, as they will be scavenged by antioxidants.

Vandemolen is right in saying that it is not a good idea to eat a lot of beets every day, but like any other things, they are very healthy when you eat them moderately.   Morever, I wouldn't recommend a POIS sufferer to consume too much beets, because the nitrate content helps the erection process.... and usually, we prefer abstinence over high level of sexual activity, for obvious reasons !

For all those interested to read more about this, I have found this article written in lay terms, that is very informative:  https://www.healthambition.com/processed-meat-nitrosamines-cancer/

I hope this will help those interested in including beets in their healthy diet to do so in an informed manner.


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Re: This may seem like a familiar place.
« Reply #2029 on: February 01, 2018, 04:16:00 AM »
Google POIS Alert

Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome POIS
As-it-happens update February 1, 2018
NEWS   
3 times sex can make you sick
Hivisasa
“Yeah, many people are allergic to semen, whether their own or their partners', a condition called post-orgasmic illness syndrome (POIS). Most of these people will feel a fever, runny nose, and upset stomach. Their bodies will detect the proteins in this semen...”

https://hivisasa.com/posts/3-times-sex-can-make-you-sick


« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 11:17:00 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2030 on: February 05, 2018, 02:10:33 PM »
is it ok to drink coffee and niacin at the same day?

this article really concerns me but It's the only one in the internet: https://www.livestrong.com/article/338131-side-effects-of-niacin-and-caffeine-together/

drugs.com didn't mention anything about caffeine

personally caffeine makes my orgasm 10x better, whether It's coffee or energy drink. to be precise I'm planning to drink a caffeine beverage 3 hours before taking niacin, and of course O after 50 min's of the flush from the niacin. did someone do a similar thing? orgasm process is really a rare thing I tend do obviously and I don't want to ruin it really.

I'll ask my psychiatrist about it later but I want to see your point of view here.

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« Reply #2031 on: February 06, 2018, 02:35:58 PM »
is it ok to drink coffee and niacin at the same day?

this article really concerns me but It's the only one in the internet: https://www.livestrong.com/article/338131-side-effects-of-niacin-and-caffeine-together/

drugs.com didn't mention anything about caffeine

personally caffeine makes my orgasm 10x better, whether It's coffee or energy drink. to be precise I'm planning to drink a caffeine beverage 3 hours before taking niacin, and of course O after 50 min's of the flush from the niacin. did someone do a similar thing? orgasm process is really a rare thing I tend do obviously and I don't want to ruin it really.

I'll ask my psychiatrist about it later but I want to see your point of view here.

Well, to be honest I don't know if there is any specific interaction between these two substances (does not seem to be, according to that link)

What I can tell is that you should avoid eating or even drinking something (except water) from the moment you take niacin until you have your last Orgasm (yes, you can have more than one if it works). If you eat something, probably it is not going to work.

Regarding the 50 min rule (which it always work in my case), I have seen other POISers that say that they get optimum results if they wait more than that (1 hour 30 minutes, something like that). You should observe your reactions and the relief you obtain with niacin!

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« Reply #2032 on: February 08, 2018, 10:47:12 AM »
POTENTIAL POIS RESEARCHERS/SCIENTISTS RECEIVED THIS EMAIL TODAY - -
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NORD Research Grants

*NORD has reopened the call to submit abstracts and letters of intent for the following grants. The deadline is ongoing and all U.S. and international researchers interested in studying these diseases are encouraged to consider applying. For questions related to these grants, email research@rarediseases.org.*

Cat Eye Syndrome – One (1) grant of up to $30,000 for scientific and/or clinical research studies related to Cat Eye Syndrome. Download RFP.

Malonic Aciduria – One (1) grant of up to $50,000 for scientific and/or clinical research studies related to Malonic Aciduria. Download RFP.


Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome – One (1) grant of up to $31,000 for scientific and/or clinical research studies related to Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS). Download RFP.
https://rarediseases.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NORD_RFP_POIS.docx

« Last Edit: February 08, 2018, 01:18:08 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2033 on: February 08, 2018, 10:51:09 AM »
Everyone: feel free to send the above to any doctor or organization you feel is qualified. That is how we found our last researcher: WE made the initial contact.

I believe that our chances are improved greatly when the researcher knows who we (POISCenter) are *in advance* of their submitting a proposal to NORD.

Best,
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« Last Edit: February 17, 2018, 11:20:39 PM by demografx »
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2034 on: February 08, 2018, 11:57:36 AM »

Applications will be accepted on a rolling basis until the funding has been awarded.
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« Reply #2035 on: February 08, 2018, 08:29:09 PM »
Any questions about the RFP, feel free to post them here.
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2036 on: February 26, 2018, 01:51:48 PM »
IMPORTANT: Finding our POIS Researcher

As you all know,  the NORD award to a POIS research team (up to $31,000 of our POISCenter-Member-donated funds) has been sluggishly delayed.

Looking back at our historical success in finding someone to research POIS, I believe that our last research project was influenced by our *early* (pre-award) discussions with Dr K.

I think we all played a role in Dr K’s decision to take us on. He was responding to NORD because he *already* knew us and POIS matched his research goals.

So...I think that a PERSONAL MEMBER effort between POISCenter & researchers is invaluable, perhaps even indispensable in our early careers here to annihilate the still misunderstood POIS.

In conclusion, NORD says “it would be wonderful to have [POISCenter] forum members share the RFP information with their doctors and other relevant contacts.”

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Therefore...*please* send this link below to a doctor you trust and/or to a researcher you can contact who you think would be a good candidate to study POIS:

RFP: (NORD’s Request for Proposal)

https://rarediseases.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NORD_RFP_POIS.docx

Many thanks and best wishes to us all!
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« Last Edit: February 27, 2018, 03:50:18 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #2037 on: February 27, 2018, 02:50:46 PM »
Excellent demo, I think this is a team project and open-minded doctors who are treating people with POIS should know about this enterprise. Members should consider this approach.

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« Reply #2038 on: February 27, 2018, 03:45:15 PM »
Thanks, Observer!
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« Reply #2039 on: February 27, 2018, 05:15:36 PM »
One example (mine) of how we can distribute the NORD Request for Proposal:


On Feb 27, 2018, at 2:13 PM, demografx wrote:

Dear Dr G, [my own large-city university-endocrinologist]

I hope you’re well.

I continue to benefit greatly from your treatment plan that I implemented with you about 8 years ago.

Perhaps you can help us with furthering the research on Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome?

I’ve attached a $31,000 grant description which I would hope you can pass along to your colleagues.

Best wishes,

demografx
https://rarediseases.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NORD_RFP_POIS.docx


« Last Edit: February 28, 2018, 12:21:52 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business