Xanthiol Nicotinate - Benefits, Risks and Function in POIS

[Observer]

This has to be one of the best days of my life. I have had two orgasms in the same day and i feel 100% free of brain fog, my mind is clear, excellent mood...  A decisive victory against POIS but the battle is not over. It would have been impossible if not were for all the people that come here to fight against this condition. Thank you very much.

[jivetalk]

I just took my first 100 mg niacin with the intention to watch the effects it produces on my body, (I do not want to have an O- at this moment, i want to stop at 200 mg the next week), and it seems that the flush has been weak( I just ate a lot), and maybe i feel a small increase of heart rate.By the way, I want to ask jive-talk if he is having the same good results with niacin or if he has achieved to lower the doses. I will update with my niacin results.

Hi Observer, Absoloutely YES. I am still getting the same results with Niacin. I have not yet tried lower dosages as I feel that 300mg is probably right on the money for me. Not too much and not too little flush. I have some XN coming from the UK, so will try that when it arrives. I think Starsky and Victor seem to think 1. it is less intense on the body, and; 2. seems to work better.

Regretably I don't have 100% Relief with Niacin, I still feel around 10-20% of POIS - But That makes it  a LOT more manageable and is Amazing in and of itself. I also feel the Duration of POIS is a LOT less - Sometimes a Day or less. I think the BIGGEST thing is the relief from Brain Fog. Usually within 20-30 Minutes of O' I no longer can think clearly - but on Niacin this NEVER seems to occur.

I haven't been reporting further as my results have not varied from my previous reports. Yes - I am still taking 100 to 200 mg of Niacin on the Day following O' when I feel POIS coming on. This seems to keep the POIS at bay.

I'll let everyone know how I go with XN when I get it.

JT

[jivetalk]

This has to be one of the best days of my life. I have had two orgasms in the same day and i feel 100% free of brain fog, my mind is clear, excellent mood...  A decisive victory against POIS but the battle is not over. It would have been impossible if not were for all the people that come here to fight against this condition. Thank you very much.

Observer. Congratulations - I am VERY VERY Glad for you.

Please Keep us Posted.

[Observer]

Observer. Congratulations - I am VERY VERY Glad for you.

Please Keep us Posted.

Thank you very much jivetalk for your support!  

Today, (usually the worst day) i slept very well and i can function as a normal person. I will continue to post my next experiences with niacin.  

[Daveman]

Observer. Congratulations - I am VERY VERY Glad for you.

Please Keep us Posted.

Thank you very much jivetalk for your support!  

Today, (usually the worst day) i slept very well and i can function as a normal person. I will continue to post my next experiences with niacin.  

Fantastic Observer!! These kinds of things are what the forum is all about!!

I hope to get my Niacin soon!

I dream of what it will be like. If I can have half the benefit, I will be happy.

[Jon]

Hey guys Id like to share my experience with Niacin. I had to take nearly 500 mg because smaller doses werent affecting me. I didnt feel a flush until I got stimulated and erect. The more aroused I became is when I started to feel a lot of heat in my head (felt like in my brain) and ears. I figured it was the flush but it didnt really pass (Mind you this was a good hour after I had taken the niacin). Afterwards I felt kind of crippled couldnt really get up, for some reason I was hesitant to move and my nerves were very sensitive, It wasnt physically painful to move but it was very difficult. My groin area was also very sensitive. I dont feel that it helped my POIS although near a week after I do feel more completely recovered than usual.

Can anybody relate on any level?

Thanks,

Jon.

[Vincent M]

Can anybody relate on any level?

It sounds to me like you took the niacin when there was too much food in your stomach or perhaps that you got the slow release kind (but you would know since it would say "extended release" on the bottle. I need to take the niacin about 10 to 11 hrs after I eat anything otherwise I won't get the flush with 200mg.

I can kind of relate in that niacin doesn't make me feel immediately better after orgasm. Although there are less POIS symptoms immediately following an orgasm the real effect of niacin for me seems to be reducing my POIS recovery time. However I seem to need a few hrs sleep combined with a nutritious meal in order for that effect to kick in. Niacin seems to help my muscle and joint pain/exhaustion more than fenugreek because when the effect of it does kick in I have much more physical stamina and strength than normal. When I practice martial arts the day after taking Niacin I can do about twice as many kicks and punches before I become out of breath and before my joints start to hurt.

[Habibou]

Niacin, my personnal 1st trial :

I have eaten little glucide (bread,Nutella) took Niacin 500 mg in a half full stomach and got an intense flush after 20 minutes (tingling inside the brain and red upper part) . I started to get aroused when I felt this flush and then decided to get an O about 1 hour later and I still got a part of the flush after the O. I am feeling in POIS right now  .

 I hope it was just a wrong way to use it... do you have some advice? thank you 

[Daveman]

500 mg is a lot. One should start the other way around, start with less and if you get no flush, try a litle more the next time.

Not sure that this should cause it not to work though, although I seem to remember that Victor thought that it's best to wait until the flush has almost gone away. So you were still flushing when you had your orgasm. Still not sure that should have a real negative effect.

Some have found that although it might not stop POIS, that it cuts down the length of the session or both.

So let's see how it goes.

Also, it could well be that you need a couple of sessions for the system to start beating the POIS.

What are your pills? They aren't slow release right? Are they 500 mg pills or did you take 5x100 or 2 x 250 or something like that?

[Habibou]

Thank you Daveman  I only get the 500 mg pill 1*500 mg :s The only version I found in the UK !
They do not say anything about the release but I guess it was since the flush was fast to come and intense. I took the "Solgar" brand Niacin 500mg.

[Observer]

Niacin, my personnal 1st trial :

I have eaten little glucide (bread,Nutella) took Niacin 500 mg in a half full stomach and got an intense flush after 20 minutes (tingling inside the brain and red upper part) . I started to get aroused when I felt this flush and then decided to get an O about 1 hour later and I still got a part of the flush after the O. I am feeling in POIS right now  .

 I hope it was just a wrong way to use it... do you have some advice? thank you 

I agree with Daveman when he says that you should try lower doses. I only needed 100 mg Niacine after a light breakfast(fruits, compotes) to have a very intense flush. For what i´ve read it seems that you have to wait until the flush pass away. My flush lasted near 10 minutes, and then i decided to wait another 30 min to have the orgasm.

And i just have had some thoughts to share;

I would want to ask if someone has taken niacin of rapid release, didn´t get the flush due to lower dose or full stomach and then had the Orgasm without POIS symptoms, or at least with lowered POIS symptoms. It seems that the flush with the XN is not as intense as the niacin and it works better?.

It is paradoxical, but the people avoid this kind Niacin due to this flush effect. But if we really need the flush, it would be interesting to find things that will assure this flush every time you take a dose of niacin without increasing it during the days. Powdered niacin as some have pointed out, it´s a solution, like drinking hot beverages as tea, coffee or chocolate. For my case, it´s clear that i don´t want to use  the niacin every day, cause i don´t want to build-up any tolerance to it and not cause the flush... If this flush is really neccesary for breaking the POIS cycle(maybe this release of histamines blocks the POIS own "bad release?... It´s very significative that you have to wait until the flush pass away, don´t you think?...).

[Observer]

Thank you Daveman  I only get the 500 mg pill 1*500 mg :s The only version I found in the UK !
They do not say anything about the release but I guess it was since the flush was fast to come and intense. I took the "Solgar" brand Niacin 500mg.

It´s curious, i am using the same brand, but Niacin 100 mg. At least in Spain , the 500 mg version is without flush http://shop.farmaciameritxell.com/solgar/solgar-niacin-flush-500mg-p-708.html. They don´t say that this Niacin 100 mg is with flush in capital letters, you have to make an effort to read it  , i suppose they are doing it to not scare the potential buyers(Flush for me it not something unpleasant, so do not worry for this side-effect if you have not tried it yet.)

[Habibou]

Thank you for your advice  ! 6 Hours after the O, i have a very heavy head, everything seems locked inside the brain +nose+throat. I will try to split one pill and see when i start to get the flush (100 mg, 200 mg...) and will wait until it is totally finished, will update.

[jivetalk]

Hey guys Id like to share my experience with Niacin. I had to take nearly 500 mg because smaller doses werent affecting me. I didnt feel a flush until I got stimulated and erect. The more aroused I became is when I started to feel a lot of heat in my head (felt like in my brain) and ears. I figured it was the flush but it didnt really pass (Mind you this was a good hour after I had taken the niacin). Afterwards I felt kind of crippled couldnt really get up, for some reason I was hesitant to move and my nerves were very sensitive, It wasnt physically painful to move but it was very difficult. My groin area was also very sensitive. I dont feel that it helped my POIS although near a week after I do feel more completely recovered than usual.

Can anybody relate on any level?

Thanks,

Jon.

Hi Jon, Many Thanks for posting your results here. It is VERY important to identify cases like yours, and determine why Niacin may not be working for you.

"Afterwards I felt kind of crippled couldnt really get up, for some reason I was hesitant to move and my nerves were very sensitive, It wasnt physically painful to move but it was very difficult. My groin area was also very sensitive. "...


This is definitely new to me. This doesn't happen to me, nor have I read this happen to others. This sounds a little concerning actually, and it would be best to seek some Professional advice on this. Niacin is a supplement and also acts as a Vasolidator - So if you have any pre-existing conditions it may exaserbate the problem - Which may also explain why it is not as effective in combating POIS for you.

Of course we need to explore other things that others have posted...Was the Niacin you took 'Non-Flush' etc..

"I dont feel that it helped my POIS although near a week after I do feel more completely recovered than usual."

It may be that Niacin is still working in reducing your POIS time. I recently had my POIS reduced down to 1 day which is amazing (although my POIS seemed a little higher for that one day than usual on Niacin), but this does seem to vary - so I am still experimenting with it.

Please Keep us posted on how you go.

JT

[jivetalk]

Thank you for your advice  ! 6 Hours after the O, i have a very heavy head, everything seems locked inside the brain +nose+throat. I will try to split one pill and see when i start to get the flush (100 mg, 200 mg...) and will wait until it is totally finished, will update.

Hi Habibou,

Thanks for posting your results here. Yes 500mg is a HUGE amount for a first try - But I don't think it should affect the POIS results in any way. The Flush will just feel a LOT more unpleasant than it should. Soreness around skin and face etc...
Observer is using the same brand but the 100mg Gram version and seem to be getting reasonable result.

I have checked out this site.....
http://www.solgar.co.uk/product/niacin-100-mg-tablets-vitamin-b3-100-E1860.html
http://www.solgar.co.uk/product/niacin-500-mg-vegetable-capsules-vitamin-b3-100-E1851.html

Check out the Supplement Facts for each

556 <- Recommended Daily intake for 100mg Version
3125 <- Recommended Daily intake for 500mg Version

These figures suggest that the 500mg Version may a Slow Release Type...or might not be a PURE version of Nictonic Acid/Niacin.....Or at least that the Two versions of Niacin from the Same Company are different in Chemical Structure somehow.
If it is Slow Release, breaking up the 500mg probably won't do too much.

I have just ordered some Xan-Pro which comes from the UK. It is the only form of Pill based Xanthinol Nicotinate I could find - I think Starsky is taking this and getting reasonable results. IF you're in the UK it might even be more accessible to you and cheaper (due to shipping etc..). Either that or maybe try the 100mg version that Observer is using.

JT

[B_Daniel]

You have to be a damn detective to figure out if these Vitamins are flush-free or not.. it's damn ridiculous!

We have now had SO many instances of people buying 500mg, 750mg, and 1000mg Niacin pills and not getting good results.

I think it is a fair rule of thumb, that if your niacin comes in pills of over 250mg, you have the slow-release, or some other format, regardless of what the label on the bottle does or doesn't say.  So if you're using a 500mg Niacin and it's not working, go find a 100mg pill and try again!

[victor.kons]

You have to be a damn detective to figure out if these Vitamins are flush-free or not.. it's damn ridiculous!

We have now had SO many instances of people buying 500mg, 750mg, and 1000mg Niacin pills and not getting good results.

I think it is a fair rule of thumb, that if your niacin comes in pills of over 250mg, you have the slow-release, or some other format, regardless of what the label on the bottle does or doesn't say.  So if you're using a 500mg Niacin and it's not working, go find a 100mg pill and try again!

I think you are right here B_Daniel. These pills seem to vary very much. And we need somehow distinguish the good fast release Niacin. My Niacin tablets come in doses of 50mg. But here is a funny thing. I've bought the tablets of the different producer and they seems working far much worser. They even smell different. The "good" Niacin tablets have specific smell that is pretty strong. The "bad" Niacin tablets of other producer smell much weaker. So... seems its a task in itself to find good Niacin supplier. Sigh...

Victor

[Habibou]

You have to be a damn detective to figure out if these Vitamins are flush-free or not.. it's damn ridiculous!

We have now had SO many instances of people buying 500mg, 750mg, and 1000mg Niacin pills and not getting good results.

I think it is a fair rule of thumb, that if your niacin comes in pills of over 250mg, you have the slow-release, or some other format, regardless of what the label on the bottle does or doesn't say.  So if you're using a 500mg Niacin and it's not working, go find a 100mg pill and try again!

I totally agree with you  and thank you also Quasar for the 100 mg/500 mg components research. I live in France so I will have to order it (been to London exceptionally to see Dr Goldmeier) and thank you for the link !

[silverandcol]

Wow great to hear about your success Observer.  This gives me confidence that if I do get into POIS mode, there is still hope left.  But yeah, I have been having pretty good results with Puritan's Pride premium niacin 250mg.  It says Niacin in the amount per servings.  I think it is important to pick a supplement that has mostly pure niacin without any sort of fancy stuff.  I have been getting constant flush about 50 minutes after taking it.  I try to keep empty stomach, but it is not always that way I think.  It is also interesting to note that I have been getting constant flush without needing to take more niacin.  I usually use it about once a week, so that may be the reason.  
Good luck to all!


O also, I am getting more flush with just niacin over the xan-pro. I am not sure which one gives better results though.  The niacin does tell me when the medicine has kicked in though.

[victor.kons]

The people living in Ukraine, please be careful with buying Niacin Acid tablets produced by VAT "Vitaminy". Something wrong with the tablets, they don't smell so strong as they should and they inefficient against POIS. Maybe I've got somehow damaged tablets, but maybe there is something wrong with the producer.

Victor