Animus Solution

[valtak]

I'd like to start a new treatment topic - which is the solution pursued by Animus (TLC et al..)
I realize that this solution may not be practical for the younger POIS sufferers. However,
for those who are 50+, this may be a viable option.
It may be that for the current moment this solution falls outside the normal
medical prescribed space.
But if we view this procedure as being somewhat the male equivalent to hysterectomies in women,
then coming up with the means to eradicate semen / sperm production in its entirety can
be regarded as a logical solution.

Perhaps we should reach out to doctors that specialize in transgender procedures.

[b_jim]

Hi Valtak and welcome. I think it's not a bad idea. But you must be sure the sperm/semen is the cause, compared to your symptoms.
For younger Pois sufferers this is probably not the best way to follow.

[Daveman]

In Animus' case, I wonder if sperm was the culprit?. It seems he removed the sperm component, and even more and still had POIS. Although he finally was able to stop POIS. So it may not matter if sperm IS the culprit.

However, even if we duplicate Animus's procedure, can we assure that POIS is eliminated?

A very good point you make valtak, is the similarity of his solution to a hysterectomy for women. And those are commonly exercised!

I wonder how much of the male ego is involved in the decisions?

If we can come to some consensus, I could open a an isolated workshop where we could dedicate to moving forward on this for male hysterectomy cases.

They practice vasectomies even on young people (although it IS reversible). However I think there could be new evidence arising that certain combinations of vasectomy/reversal can be dangerous.

Obviously, the "male hysterectomy" is more final, and should exercised very carefully.

[sameer7777]

what i have researched it is the lack of serotonin in brain , because of our masterbation/sex .... we get this symptoms , esp brain fog , kindly guide me....

[Willem]

It would be nice to know, even for us young guys, what options are out there.  I don't mind living with POIS while I'm young and having kids, but it would definitely be nice to know there are several "final" options out there. 

[Animus]

I agree that it's a good analogy to call it a male hysterectomy.  Maybe how I can help is to explain exactly what I did...

I'm in the camp that the ejaculation of semen causes POIS. I think that premise also has been taken by Dr. Waldinger, and others on the forum.  I didn't necessarily know if it was an allergic reaction, or if it was something else.  I actually thought that my body was unable to comfortably produce the amount of semen that I was ejaculating and would take it as biological priority to replenish semen after it was released, thereby robbing the rest of my body of certain essential ingredients, thereby causing the POIS reaction. I know this theory might sound wacky to some people.

Initially I sought to reduce the amount of semen my body produced, while leaving the responsible organs intact/ in place. However, I wasn't able to do that. And eventually turned toward total dry ejaculation and stopping semen production as the solution. In a way that I could still have erections, have orgasms, and still enjoy sex.
 
In any case, my solution worked, which was to surgically achieve dry ejaculation, by removing the organs that produce all the components of semen- Minus the prostate- which instead of removing,  was shrunk.

It's still consistent with Dr. Waldinger's theory of semen allergy. It's possible I could have developed a semen allergy, and broken the blood/ semen barrier when I took the enlargement pills, which stretched out and expanded my organs.

[Daveman]

Animus, do you know what effect the operations you had, have on upper system activity, the pituitary, production of LH/FSH etc.?

[Willem]

I actually thought that my body was unable to comfortably produce the amount of semen that I was ejaculating and would take it as biological priority to replenish semen after it was released, thereby robbing the rest of my body of certain essential ingredients, thereby causing the POIS reaction. I know this theory might sound wacky to some people.

I had the same theory for years, thinking that my body was "drained" while it produced more semen, and then after the production ceased I would start to feel better.  However, my theory never accounted for the immediate muscle soreness I felt (type I reaction) within minutes of O. 

Anyway, I found this article on the properties of semen that confirmed that its nutritional value is quite small.  For most electrolytes it's <1% of your recommended daily allowance of Ca, Na, K, etc.
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/full/26/4/459

[Daveman]

Demo's pet theory was similar in that he thought that the production phase is what knocked him out. And there's a striking coincidence between the POIS cycle length and the sperm recuperation cycle length.

It may not necesarily be due to a particular drain caused by vitamin or other element difficiencies during the cycle but one where the whole hormone chain is interacting in some negative way with the various systems.

I guess Demo feels that this theory has been shot down in the findings related to his last test with progestins in combination with testosterone, but I wouldn't necesarily be so quick to make that intepretation.

The fact is, that we still don't have strong enough real proof for anything at this moment, that said, we're probably closer than ever.

Animus' case seems to indicate that the elimination of semen eliminates POIS..... but would there have been some effect over the upper "control system", involving the LH/FSH or other pituitary interactions?

To tell you the truth Willem, I tend heavily for the auto-immune theory, particularly in my case. A lot of things point to this, and even IF POIS appears to be related to the sperm production cycle I wonder if there still isn't some form of blood barrier infringement related to this that's causing POIS.

But I think we are lacking now more detailed testing in more specific areas to isolate our doubts. That's one of my goals for this forum, positive movement!

[Willem]

It may not necesarily be due to a particular drain caused by vitamin or other element difficiencies during the cycle but one where the whole hormone chain is interacting in some negative way with the various systems.

I agree.  It was mainly helpful for me to eliminate the nutritional component.  Hormonal is not ruled out though. 

[Animus]

Animus, do you know what effect the operations you had, have on upper system activity, the pituitary, production of LH/FSH etc.?

I'll have to check into that Dave- I assume by that you mean hormonal measurements. I was very hormonally out of whack before the operations. And now I've stabilized.

My symptoms were:
Extreme fatigue,  Social anxiety/ withdrawal,  depression,  cognitive problems,  dizziness ,,weight gain,  joint problems,  high heart rate,  incontinence,  belligerency,  tendency to get sick easily,  frequent emergency room visits

I was taking so many medications to try to stamp out the symptoms- without addressing the cause. And now I don't need half of them anymore. I can exercise again, and I am healthy again. I would say it was life-threatening, also because my despair was increasing to a great degree. And I no longer have that either.

[Animus]

In Animus' case, I wonder if sperm was the culprit?. It seems he removed the sperm component, and even more and still had POIS. Although he finally was able to stop POIS. So it may not matter if sperm IS the culprit.

However, even if we duplicate Animus's procedure, can we assure that POIS is eliminated?

A very good point you make valtak, is the similarity of his solution to a hysterectomy for women. And those are commonly exercised!

I wonder how much of the male ego is involved in the decisions?

If we can come to some consensus, I could open a an isolated workshop where we could dedicate to moving forward on this for male hysterectomy cases.

They practice vasectomies even on young people (although it IS reversible). However I think there could be new evidence arising that certain combinations of vasectomy/reversal can be dangerous.

Obviously, the "male hysterectomy" is more final, and should exercised very carefully.

I speculate that sperm is one of the contributing culprits- based on the observation that my POIS improved by a factor of 20% after I eliminated sperm production.
My POIS went away 100% after I eliminated all Semen production.
It has been over 2 years since the surgery, and holding steady. I can have an O, and completely forget about it the next day.

I think it would work on other people.
However, I don't know if it would be possible to retain the testicles, and remove the other organs, and get the same results.

I agree male hysterectomy should be exercised very carefully. It was life-threatening for me but that's a personal decision. If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.

[Vincent M]

 If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.

I agree with this. However the surgery is so expensive. Animus, you said it cost you $10,000 right?

[Animus]

 If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.

I agree with this. However the surgery is so expensive. Animus, you said it cost you $10,000 right?

No it can be done for less. Mine cost more, because I split up the procedures. But it could be done for much less.
I had my oriectomy in USA in 2 separate operations. That was expensive. It would be much less in India.
The combination TURP for prostate reduction, seminal vesicle removal, and cauterization of ejaculatory ducts was about $4000.
Airfare to India to get the surgeries done was about $1,500.
I would say you could do it for $6,000.

But you can also factor in recovery expenses, doctor visits, and any necessary medication, optional semen banking.
Once it's done, the only 2 other medications I need to continue on are Avodart- to keep the prostate small. And Testosterone to replace the hormone created by the testicles. A relatively low monthly expense. Especially if you have insurance.

[valtak]

I looked up TURP (http://men.webmd.com/prostate-enlargement-bph/transurethral-resection-of-the-prostate-turp-for-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia)
It is described as a risky procedure - at least for the target audience.
Was the TURP procedure you describe the same as that in the webmd website - or is it
a variant?

[Animus]

I looked up TURP (http://men.webmd.com/prostate-enlargement-bph/transurethral-resection-of-the-prostate-turp-for-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia)
It is described as a risky procedure - at least for the target audience.
Was the TURP procedure you describe the same as that in the webmd website - or is it
a variant?

I had the same TURP described in the above article. And what I experienced is very similar to what they report there.
Before I go into it, I should say that I had symptoms of BPH also, which were aggravated during POIS. Please look up the symptoms of BPH-- see if you have any of them.

The TURP is a fairly common procedure for reduction of the prostate. It is much less risky than removal of the prostate. Incontinence is a very low risk (1%). Loss of ability to get an erection is a little greater but still low. The risk I believe is in possible nerve damage. Overall the procedure is fairly low-risk.  I think if you're trying to get dry ejaculation and produce as little semen as possible, you're going to have to reduce the prostate somehow.

First line of defense in BPH is medication: Flomax, Avodart, Saw Palmetto. These all are routinely prescribed for BPH. And it is fairly easy to get the prescription if you complain of symptoms esp if over 40. All these drugs act to shrink and relax the prostate. The prostate encircles the Urethra, and as it enlarges, makes it difficult to pass urine. The prostate also produces 20-30% of the volume of semen.

[Stef]

Animus--

Bravo!!!!!  Bravissimo!!!!

This will DEFINITELY pave the way for more awareness-raising.  Perhaps the TLC producer can now help you (and/or) the forum to get in contact with other producers or reporters. :-)  Strike while the iron is hot! (Speaking to everyone, not just Animus.)

FYI, Animus--you do not look like an "Animus!"  MUCH handsomer. :-)

[demografx]

FYI, Animus--you do not look like an "Animus!"  MUCH handsomer. :-)

Hey! Whoa! I'm getting jealous!

[demografx]

Animus/Frank, FANTASTIC show! You have put POIS on the map!

You are now the POIS equivalent of the first astronaut to set foot on the Moon!

Thank you for your enormous courage and great effect on the entire future of POIS!

[demografx]

Animus, if I may ask...

1. How long did your brutal POIS episodes last in their 'heyday'?

2. Is POIS 'absolutely zero' now for you? (This is part of a larger question that I have of non-POISers, i.e., "Is there truly a 100% Zero-negative-aftereffect possible with orgasm? Or are there SOME - perhaps lasting very briefly - mild postorgasmic symptoms that EVERYONE experiences?")

3. Do you need to moderate your sexual frequency?

4. Were you prepared for the possibility that your POIS was caused by something ELSE and that the surgeries wouldn't cure your POIS? Or were you rock-solid-confident of semen-causation?