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Animus Solution
« on: May 06, 2011, 08:07:04 PM »
I'd like to start a new treatment topic - which is the solution pursued by Animus (TLC et al..)
I realize that this solution may not be practical for the younger POIS sufferers. However,
for those who are 50+, this may be a viable option.
It may be that for the current moment this solution falls outside the normal
medical prescribed space.
But if we view this procedure as being somewhat the male equivalent to hysterectomies in women,
then coming up with the means to eradicate semen / sperm production in its entirety can
be regarded as a logical solution.

Perhaps we should reach out to doctors that specialize in transgender procedures.

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2011, 12:46:51 AM »
Hi Valtak and welcome. I think it's not a bad idea. But you must be sure the sperm/semen is the cause, compared to your symptoms.
For younger Pois sufferers this is probably not the best way to follow.
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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2011, 08:24:57 AM »
In Animus' case, I wonder if sperm was the culprit?. It seems he removed the sperm component, and even more and still had POIS. Although he finally was able to stop POIS. So it may not matter if sperm IS the culprit.

However, even if we duplicate Animus's procedure, can we assure that POIS is eliminated?

A very good point you make valtak, is the similarity of his solution to a hysterectomy for women. And those are commonly exercised!

I wonder how much of the male ego is involved in the decisions?

If we can come to some consensus, I could open a an isolated workshop where we could dedicate to moving forward on this for male hysterectomy cases.

They practice vasectomies even on young people (although it IS reversible). However I think there could be new evidence arising that certain combinations of vasectomy/reversal can be dangerous.

Obviously, the "male hysterectomy" is more final, and should exercised very carefully.

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2011, 08:48:39 PM »
what i have researched it is the lack of serotonin in brain , because of our masterbation/sex .... we get this symptoms , esp brain fog , kindly guide me....
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 11:54:02 PM »
It would be nice to know, even for us young guys, what options are out there.  I don't mind living with POIS while I'm young and having kids, but it would definitely be nice to know there are several "final" options out there. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 12:39:07 AM »
I agree that it's a good analogy to call it a male hysterectomy.  Maybe how I can help is to explain exactly what I did...

I'm in the camp that the ejaculation of semen causes POIS. I think that premise also has been taken by Dr. Waldinger, and others on the forum.  I didn't necessarily know if it was an allergic reaction, or if it was something else.  I actually thought that my body was unable to comfortably produce the amount of semen that I was ejaculating and would take it as biological priority to replenish semen after it was released, thereby robbing the rest of my body of certain essential ingredients, thereby causing the POIS reaction. I know this theory might sound wacky to some people.

Initially I sought to reduce the amount of semen my body produced, while leaving the responsible organs intact/ in place. However, I wasn't able to do that. And eventually turned toward total dry ejaculation and stopping semen production as the solution. In a way that I could still have erections, have orgasms, and still enjoy sex.
 
In any case, my solution worked, which was to surgically achieve dry ejaculation, by removing the organs that produce all the components of semen- Minus the prostate- which instead of removing,  was shrunk.

It's still consistent with Dr. Waldinger's theory of semen allergy. It's possible I could have developed a semen allergy, and broken the blood/ semen barrier when I took the enlargement pills, which stretched out and expanded my organs.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2011, 12:50:42 AM by Animus »

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 08:46:52 AM »
Animus, do you know what effect the operations you had, have on upper system activity, the pituitary, production of LH/FSH etc.?

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 05:48:24 PM »
I actually thought that my body was unable to comfortably produce the amount of semen that I was ejaculating and would take it as biological priority to replenish semen after it was released, thereby robbing the rest of my body of certain essential ingredients, thereby causing the POIS reaction. I know this theory might sound wacky to some people.


I had the same theory for years, thinking that my body was "drained" while it produced more semen, and then after the production ceased I would start to feel better.  However, my theory never accounted for the immediate muscle soreness I felt (type I reaction) within minutes of O. 

Anyway, I found this article on the properties of semen that confirmed that its nutritional value is quite small.  For most electrolytes it's <1% of your recommended daily allowance of Ca, Na, K, etc.
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/full/26/4/459

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 11:02:06 AM »
Demo's pet theory was similar in that he thought that the production phase is what knocked him out. And there's a striking coincidence between the POIS cycle length and the sperm recuperation cycle length.

It may not necesarily be due to a particular drain caused by vitamin or other element difficiencies during the cycle but one where the whole hormone chain is interacting in some negative way with the various systems.

I guess Demo feels that this theory has been shot down in the findings related to his last test with progestins in combination with testosterone, but I wouldn't necesarily be so quick to make that intepretation.

The fact is, that we still don't have strong enough real proof for anything at this moment, that said, we're probably closer than ever.

Animus' case seems to indicate that the elimination of semen eliminates POIS..... but would there have been some effect over the upper "control system", involving the LH/FSH or other pituitary interactions?

To tell you the truth Willem, I tend heavily for the auto-immune theory, particularly in my case. A lot of things point to this, and even IF POIS appears to be related to the sperm production cycle I wonder if there still isn't some form of blood barrier infringement related to this that's causing POIS.

But I think we are lacking now more detailed testing in more specific areas to isolate our doubts. That's one of my goals for this forum, positive movement!



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Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 05:25:58 PM »

It may not necesarily be due to a particular drain caused by vitamin or other element difficiencies during the cycle but one where the whole hormone chain is interacting in some negative way with the various systems.


I agree.  It was mainly helpful for me to eliminate the nutritional component.  Hormonal is not ruled out though. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 10:37:33 PM »
Animus, do you know what effect the operations you had, have on upper system activity, the pituitary, production of LH/FSH etc.?



I'll have to check into that Dave- I assume by that you mean hormonal measurements. I was very hormonally out of whack before the operations. And now I've stabilized.

My symptoms were:
Extreme fatigue,  Social anxiety/ withdrawal,  depression,  cognitive problems,  dizziness ,,weight gain,  joint problems,  high heart rate,  incontinence,  belligerency,  tendency to get sick easily,  frequent emergency room visits

I was taking so many medications to try to stamp out the symptoms- without addressing the cause. And now I don't need half of them anymore. I can exercise again, and I am healthy again. I would say it was life-threatening, also because my despair was increasing to a great degree. And I no longer have that either.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 02:59:15 PM by Animus »

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2011, 02:36:20 PM »
In Animus' case, I wonder if sperm was the culprit?. It seems he removed the sperm component, and even more and still had POIS. Although he finally was able to stop POIS. So it may not matter if sperm IS the culprit.

However, even if we duplicate Animus's procedure, can we assure that POIS is eliminated?

A very good point you make valtak, is the similarity of his solution to a hysterectomy for women. And those are commonly exercised!

I wonder how much of the male ego is involved in the decisions?

If we can come to some consensus, I could open a an isolated workshop where we could dedicate to moving forward on this for male hysterectomy cases.

They practice vasectomies even on young people (although it IS reversible). However I think there could be new evidence arising that certain combinations of vasectomy/reversal can be dangerous.

Obviously, the "male hysterectomy" is more final, and should exercised very carefully.



I speculate that sperm is one of the contributing culprits- based on the observation that my POIS improved by a factor of 20% after I eliminated sperm production.
My POIS went away 100% after I eliminated all Semen production.
It has been over 2 years since the surgery, and holding steady. I can have an O, and completely forget about it the next day.

I think it would work on other people.
However, I don't know if it would be possible to retain the testicles, and remove the other organs, and get the same results.

I agree male hysterectomy should be exercised very carefully. It was life-threatening for me but that's a personal decision. If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 02:47:41 PM by Animus »

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2011, 11:19:27 PM »

 If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.

I agree with this. However the surgery is so expensive. Animus, you said it cost you $10,000 right?
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2011, 11:53:48 PM »

 If you can't function normally anymore, and the illness eclipses everything in your life- I think it's something to consider- even if you are younger.

I agree with this. However the surgery is so expensive. Animus, you said it cost you $10,000 right?

No it can be done for less. Mine cost more, because I split up the procedures. But it could be done for much less.
I had my oriectomy in USA in 2 separate operations. That was expensive. It would be much less in India.
The combination TURP for prostate reduction, seminal vesicle removal, and cauterization of ejaculatory ducts was about $4000.
Airfare to India to get the surgeries done was about $1,500.
I would say you could do it for $6,000.

But you can also factor in recovery expenses, doctor visits, and any necessary medication, optional semen banking.
Once it's done, the only 2 other medications I need to continue on are Avodart- to keep the prostate small. And Testosterone to replace the hormone created by the testicles. A relatively low monthly expense. Especially if you have insurance.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 12:10:56 AM by Animus »

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Re: Animus Solution
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 12:44:41 AM »
I looked up TURP (http://men.webmd.com/prostate-enlargement-bph/transurethral-resection-of-the-prostate-turp-for-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia)
It is described as a risky procedure - at least for the target audience.
Was the TURP procedure you describe the same as that in the webmd website - or is it
a variant?