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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2012, 06:27:19 AM »

I've read that taurine can be useful for those who are hyper sensitive to mono sodium glutamate in foods. The idea is that MSG affects the body's ability to produce taurine which may lead to digestive, heart, nervous and vision problems. It's interesting just how many things can create a smorgasbord of similar problems in people.

Hello kurtosis, I think there are some people(including me) who react very strongly to MSG while in POIS. Taking MSG while in POIS makes me to experience an horrible increase in POIS symptoms. I recall to experience this worsening some times just after eating Chinese food or some hot sausages. The good thing is that, I don't experience any symptoms if I don't have POIS.

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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2012, 08:15:28 AM »

I've read that taurine can be useful for those who are hyper sensitive to mono sodium glutamate in foods. The idea is that MSG affects the body's ability to produce taurine which may lead to digestive, heart, nervous and vision problems. It's interesting just how many things can create a smorgasbord of similar problems in people.

Hello kurtosis, I think there are some people(including me) who react very strongly to MSG while in POIS. Taking MSG while in POIS makes me to experience an horrible increase in POIS symptoms. I recall to experience this worsening some times just after eating Chinese food or some hot sausages. The good thing is that, I don't experience any symptoms if I don't have POIS.

Me too!

And there's so much MSG in anything packaged... even if it is in a disguised form!!

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« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2012, 02:16:46 PM »
I have tried Hidroxil. took it for 10 days and the had an O but same symptoms as ever 
in the same time I had been taking Gingko biloba, vitamin C, and Omega3 fish oil
i didn't even feel more energized during these 10 days.
maybe the conzimated ones are actually more effective, but I don't feel for a while I will try anything more

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« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2012, 08:09:05 PM »
Me too!
And there's so much MSG in anything packaged... even if it is in a disguised form!!
Exactly, some of them are in disguised form that makes it harder for us to avoid the 'trap'.
It started ever since my first orgasm. It lasts exactly for 7 days. Symptoms mainly in the brain: extreme mental  fatigue, difficulty concentrating, inability to comprehend/retain what is read,shortened attention span, loss of speech fluency, cloudy mindedness, mild headache, and anxiousness

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« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2012, 03:45:45 AM »
I have tried Hidroxil. took it for 10 days and the had an O but same symptoms as ever 
in the same time I had been taking Gingko biloba, vitamin C, and Omega3 fish oil
i didn't even feel more energized during these 10 days.
maybe the conzimated ones are actually more effective, but I don't feel for a while I will try anything more

There's no niacin in hidroxil it appears. Having said that I'm very surprised that all that didn't make you feel energised. It does for me so I don't know what to say.

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« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2012, 05:38:04 AM »
Kurtosis, lmk if u disagree w this, but for ppl trying your method, perhaps it's best if we only take the B Vitamins, Zinc + Magnesium - as these are the supplements that treat the pois. The huperzine and ginkgo biloba are used to enhance/restore cognitive function only AFTER the pois is at bay. People seem to be getting confused that the huperzine and ginkgo are pois treatments in and of themselves.

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« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2012, 07:35:45 AM »
I have tried Hidroxil. took it for 10 days and the had an O but same symptoms as ever 
in the same time I had been taking Gingko biloba, vitamin C, and Omega3 fish oil
i didn't even feel more energized during these 10 days.
maybe the conzimated ones are actually more effective, but I don't feel for a while I will try anything more

There's no niacin in hidroxil it appears. Having said that I'm very surprised that all that didn't make you feel energised. It does for me so I don't know what to say.

man, i can only be grateful to you for sharing your recepy with us. if it doesn't work for me it's not your fault.
we are all different. i hope to find something that works for me soon

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Re: Vitamin supplementation WORKS - start taking them!
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2012, 09:09:13 AM »
Kurtosis, lmk if u disagree w this, but for ppl trying your method, perhaps it's best if we only take the B Vitamins, Zinc + Magnesium - as these are the supplements that treat the pois. The huperzine and ginkgo biloba are used to enhance/restore cognitive function only AFTER the pois is at bay. People seem to be getting confused that the huperzine and ginkgo are pois treatments in and of themselves.

It's getting confusing alright, particularly with discussions on 2 websites.
The huperzine is optional. I've cut down dramatically. I've found that acetyl l-carnitine gives me the same memory boost while improving my energy levels and mood. It might have been useful to take some huperzine initially but it's not actually treating POIS. Taking it by itself does not improve my POIS symptoms dramatically.

If I just wanted to treat POIS and not try to repair, I'd take the b-complex (which has other ingredients too) and zinc at night. If your POIS symptoms are primarily cognitive (or stomach) then try ginkgo also. Ginkgo has anti-inflammatory and neuro-protective effects. It also dilates blood vessels and can help treating hypertensive anxiety.

So the minimum is b coenzymes (with niacin, ALA & CoQ10 in the "famous" Now complex I'm using), zinc & ginkgo. If you try these and it doesn't work then it's not working for you unless you have a diet which is conspicuously low in protein.

My other experience is that I seem to need a lot of protein. As I've said before, I'm lactose intolerant so I try to get my protein from meat and spirulina. I've also noticed that taurine and acetyl l-carnitine (which it's difficult to get in large quantities) give me focus and energy.
As I've said lots of times and discussed on the NSF and here, there are lots of possible hypothesis as to why this may work for me but my gut feeling is that POIS is a problem in the gut that's affecting the synthesis of everything from neurotransmitters to hormones (they're often inter-related) and it just gets worse when we O because the levels of some neurotransmitters change too quickly and we can't seem to balance. This balancing is called homeostasis and well known homeostatic illnesses include diabetes.

If this was the cause there may be multiple medical conditions that could lead to POIS like symptoms and we may not even all be suffering from the same thing but could have the same symptoms. 

The POIS diet and supplementation I'm following is similar to what I've read other people following for testosterone / oestrogen imbalances and hartnup disease. http://rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseasesh/a/hartnup.htm
This could be pure coincidence but I've read stories of people giving up vegetarianism and veganism because of fatigue, cognitive issues and other symptoms which clearly don't affect all vegetarians but do impact on some.

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« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2012, 12:33:44 PM »
Quoted:

"It's getting confusing alright, particularly with discussions on 2 websites. "

That's the reason for concentrating it into only ONE.

THIS one. it's OURs. Our software, OUR owners who dedicate ONLY to POIS and aren't interested in ANY other monetary / commercial
priorities.

THIS ONE, that let's us publicize our cause.

Why divide the energy? Why complicate the discussions, why repeat, and why resist?

The movement started there, but it has outgrown the medium.

NSF may be a great science forum, but we can do everything that can be done over there (for POIS) and more. LOTs more.

« Last Edit: August 11, 2012, 12:36:02 PM by Daveman »
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Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
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« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2012, 04:20:41 PM »
Quoted:

"It's getting confusing alright, particularly with discussions on 2 websites. "

That's the reason for concentrating it into only ONE.

THIS one. it's OURs. Our software, OUR owners who dedicate ONLY to POIS and aren't interested in ANY other monetary / commercial
priorities.

THIS ONE, that let's us publicize our cause.

Why divide the energy? Why complicate the discussions, why repeat, and why resist?

The movement started there, but it has outgrown the medium.

NSF may be a great science forum, but we can do everything that can be done over there (for POIS) and more. LOTs more.



I know what you mean Dave but people are still discovering the Naked Science Forum & need to be gently encouraged to move over to poiscenter. 

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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2012, 04:42:52 PM »
That's fine Kurtosis. You are doing a wonderful job.

I think that just you alone have helped to advance our cause by months and months, if not years.

And I know we don't do it for praise or gain...

but because this thing is awful and has to be beat. And not tomorrow but yesterday!

I get frustrated sometimes!  :P :-[

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Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
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« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2012, 03:56:24 AM »
That's fine Kurtosis. You are doing a wonderful job.

I think that just you alone have helped to advance our cause by months and months, if not years.

And I know we don't do it for praise or gain...

but because this thing is awful and has to be beat. And not tomorrow but yesterday!

I get frustrated sometimes!  :P :-[


Me too. Thanks for the praise anyway :)

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« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2012, 04:21:49 AM »
Kurtosis, do you think I can take the C-Enzyme B-Complex http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Vitamins/Vitamin-B/M046554.htm
together with the daily multivitamin I'm taking? It's GNC Mega Men Sport http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4033437&cp=3593185.12961109

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« Reply #94 on: August 13, 2012, 07:18:12 AM »
I tried for the first time real niacin yesterday before O and so far, it don't work...I'm about 100% POIS.

I took this niacin  :

http://www.leaderpharma.co.uk/niacine-500-mg.html

I took about 300mg had a flush and waited for 1 hour

I've also been taking  this B complex for 5 days

http://www.leaderpharma.com/vitamine-b-complex-50mg.html

I had a good result one time with niaciniamide (1,5g)

Is there something wrong in the product i choosed ?
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« Reply #95 on: August 13, 2012, 07:44:06 AM »
I tried for the first time real niacin yesterday before O and so far, it don't work...I'm about 100% POIS.

I took this niacin  :

http://www.leaderpharma.co.uk/niacine-500-mg.html

I took about 300mg had a flush and waited for 1 hour

I've also been taking  this B complex for 5 days

http://www.leaderpharma.com/vitamine-b-complex-50mg.html

I had a good result one time with niaciniamide (1,5g)

Is there something wrong in the product i choosed ?


The product looks fine. Pure Niacin.

I bought a 500mg capsule from amazon (different brand), but it didn't work for me. Don't know why, but the Nature's Way 100mg capsule works very well.

Very important not to eat before, at least 3 hrs hopefully more. But your procedure sounds like it was properly executed.


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Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
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« Reply #96 on: August 13, 2012, 07:52:22 AM »
I ate pizza 1 hour before...could be linked ?

I'll try to get nature's way

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« Reply #97 on: August 13, 2012, 08:25:09 AM »
Normally eating a pizza 1 hr before wouldn´t let you have a flush. But the flush isn't ALWAYS the indicator. With heavy food in the system, the liver doesn't process the niacin as well, and may take longer.

I have had positive results with heavy food maybe 3 hours before and 400mg niacin, but the effect is less.

Give it a try in the morning after 8 or more hours of fasting and be careful, only take 100mg to start and another 50mg if you don't get a flush.

I don't like to do it in the morning, because even with niacin, I get light POIS later in the day, But NONE more from there on in.

It's better in the evening because you can sleep of the first little bit (if any). But it's real difficult to fast for 8 hours before, if you take it in the evening.
WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #98 on: August 13, 2012, 08:27:55 AM »
I tried for the first time real niacin yesterday before O and so far, it don't work...I'm about 100% POIS.

I took this niacin  :

http://www.leaderpharma.co.uk/niacine-500-mg.html

I took about 300mg had a flush and waited for 1 hour

I've also been taking  this B complex for 5 days

http://www.leaderpharma.com/vitamine-b-complex-50mg.html

I had a good result one time with niaciniamide (1,5g)

Is there something wrong in the product i choosed ?


The product looks fine. Pure Niacin.

I bought a 500mg capsule from amazon (different brand), but it didn't work for me. Don't know why, but the Nature's Way 100mg capsule works very well.

Very important not to eat before, at least 3 hrs hopefully more. But your procedure sounds like it was properly executed.



I've only ever seen 500mg as niacinamide or sloniacin which is a special formulation where the niacin is encased in a polymer gel which is gradually digested. The end result is that it doesn't trigger the same flush that a 100mg of straightforward niacin would. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to take 500mg of pure niacin as the instantaneous release and subsequent flush could be very painful but it's possible that a smaller amount (100 mg) of pure niacin which produces the flush (via prostaglandin release) is actually more beneficial than a larger amount of niacin with less flush.

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« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2012, 08:55:11 AM »
Kurtosis, do you think I can take the C-Enzyme B-Complex http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Vitamins/Vitamin-B/M046554.htm
together with the daily multivitamin I'm taking? It's GNC Mega Men Sport http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4033437&cp=3593185.12961109

I went ahead and took them today. Let's see...