My personal thoughts and experiences so far
Catecholamine depletion has been already discussed as a possible cause of POIS. My recent experiences also seem to comply. However the cause and effect relationship is not necessarily straightforward. Bloodshot eyes tend to emerge most rapidly and robustly about an hour after ejaculation, though the issue can be present even before that. The ocular hyperemia is caused by vasodilation and this may indicate an insufficiency in norepinephrine (NE) activity. Interestingly NE has an immunosuppressive and anti-inflammatory effect as well, by reducing the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. This places NE besides estrogen receptor beta and sigma-1 agonists that have a similar function. It is worth mentioning that acetylcholine also seems to have a similar role. Interestingly all four of these upregulate BDNF as well, which has a controversial role in immunosupression. Nevertheless NE appears to be particularly effective as an anti-depressant. A new study also shows that NE has a crucial role in removing waste from the brain during sleep and this could inhibit neurodegeneration.
On a recent trial, I have found naphazoline eye drops to have a very significant benefit. Only 1 drop in each eye reduced bloodshot eyes one degree and afterwards it had such a prolonged anti-depressive effect, that I couldn’t even sleep. It was quite amazing really! Of course it will probably not work so well on the long run, but it surely indicates a positive role for norepinephrine/noradrenaline.
I have to note that on this day I also took bupropion in the morning and one capsule of yohimbine about 4 hours before applying the naphazoline drops. This may have resulted in some synergism.
Even more recently I found a combined yohimbine/rauwolscine supplement to have a marked positive effect on my POIS symptoms as well. I also had a positive experience with venlafaxine in the past, though bupropion does not seem to do anything individually even after 4 months of continuous taking. I also tried phenylephrine nasal drops that can help with nasal congestion, but besides that it was practically useless against POIS symptoms. Interestingly I also found butcher’s broom to be a little useful, though I can’t say it did particularly much when I was taking it continuously.
Quotes from other members involving the benefits of norepinephrine
There is indication that a combination of norepinephrine boosters and sigma-1 agonists could be useful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/zrs9qo/related_to_allergic_rhinitis_nasal_drops/
"I took Refenax nasal drops (which have Diphenhydramine hydrochloride, and Naphazoline hydrochloride) and started to feel better from POIS."
Over-the-Counter Ocular Decongestants in the United States – Mechanisms of Action and Clinical Utility for Management of Ocular Redness
Nasal congestion
Red eyes
Naphazoline eye drops for neurosomatic disorders/neural network disorders are being used but higher concentration like 0.1%, 1 drop in each eye.
Milnacipran could be really useful, but unfortunately it has not been introduced in our country yet.
I've been suffering from POIS since 2000, posting on POIS forums since 2009 (Naked Scientist Forum) and more recently on here (since 2011), and I've finally found something that has consistently worked for me.
For the last 6 weeks, I've been taking milnacipran (Savella) before O. After O, there has been no brain fog - every time. My physical symptoms (dry hair, dry forehead, clicking knees) have also gone.
The milnacipran has an unusual side-effect - my Os feel much more intense, and last much longer. This hasn't happened with any other medicines I have tried, and I have tested many different medicines over the years. Again, this happens every time.
I have been taking one dose of 25mg approximately 1 to 1.5 hours before O. Initially I combined it with fenugreek, but now I take it on its own. The result has been 0% brain fog every time.
Milnacipran is an SNRI that inhibits norepinephrine reuptake even at low doses - other popular SNRIs venlafaxine and duloxetine (which I have tried) need much higher doses before there is any significant inhibition of norepinephrine reuptake. I believe that it is the norepinephrine action of milnacipran which is somehow preventing my post-O brain fog.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2938282/
It is early days now, but I sincerely hope that milnacipran will continue to work for me in the long-term. If it becomes less effective or stops working, I will come back to this thread and update it.
I would be happy to answer any questions.
CFS members also benefit from milnacipran.
The most effective drug I've ever taken is Nortriptyline, so I'm really sorry that I can't take it. The next most effective drug is milnacipran.https://www.reddit.com/r/cfs/comments/1hzo3rv/norepinephrine_enhances_all_my_brain_functions/POIS members also benefit from nortriptyline.
Hello. I have a pois for 5 years. I tried many herbal and chemical drugs. My pois is treated by eating honey+5mg nortriptyline!!!
I've recently taken Nortriptyline which reduce my symptoms and recovery days from 7 days to three days but it stopped working after 5 months although i increased the dosage. And then i decided to cut out antidepressants gradually because i think my memory is not as sharp as the past but now i consume low dosage of Nortriptyline my nocturnal emission start to increase. My symptoms take 7 days to fade if i masturbate and 3 days if i have a wet dream.
Prostatitis may be also treated with norepinephrine:
I'm on an anti-depressant called effexor (venlafaxine). Currently its helping my mood, BUT it also treats neuropathic pain because it has a 3:1 affinity for Norepinephrine over serotonin in the brain. This means it will make norepinephrine more available in the brain, and this can actually act as a nerve pain block. Some kid on an online forum said his urethral pain/uncomfortable urine feeling went away in a month on the antidepressant.https://www.reddit.com/r/Prostatitis/comments/8dnn2d/is_there_an_way_out_except_suicide/If this is so then ejaculation can certainly lower NE.
The old link is dead. Use this instead:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1439-0272.2001.00461.xHigh concentration of catecholamines is present in sperm :
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1439-0272.2001.00461.x
"In conclusion, noradrenaline and DOPA are present in human semen at concentrations that are much higher than maximal normal values in plasma."
Noradrenaline : 19 times more than concentration in plasma
Dopa : 2 times
This thread could be potentially be a deeper investigation to Catecholamines deficiency theory.
I'll start the first topic with this article: Are you suffering from The Blahs?
This article is well written and articulates many observable phenomena that have been discovered in this forum.
"Dopamine, Epinephrine (adrenaline) and Norepinephrine (noradrenaline) are the primary catecholamines or ‘cats’, as they are known. Catecholamines function both as hormones and neurotransmitters."
"If you have adequate cats, you feel energized, upbeat, alert and focused and you don’t crave caffeine or sugar for a pick-me-up.
If your cats are low, you may feel the kind of depression that lands you curled up in the bed all day with extremely low motivation."
If you ask me I have strong cravings for coffee and sugar when I'm in POIS which could be an indication of low dopamine, it can also explain what it actually helps with POIS.
Many POISers benefit from cold showers and this could be one of the reasons.
thanks hurray , i will give it a try .
My pois symptoms get reduced by cold showers , and i read in some google search that the ‘Cold Shocking the Body’ increase the release of norepinephrine , and some norepinephrine deficiency cognitive symptoms are the same symptoms of pois .
so i suspect that my pois was due to a lack of norepinephrine .
Research quotes to show how NE may affect POIS:See in the attached document!