Free Flow Discussion about POIS

[Daveman]

The only time I have sucess with niacin I didn't have the flush. So, I think it's not the flush that help POIS, but the niacin itself...

Yes, I agree completely. It's sort of complicated to explain, but it seems that the flush, most times, is just "THE INDICATOR", that you have had enough niacin.

If the timing and conditions are more or less like we have established, then the flush usually indicates that you have taken the required quantity of niacin to be protected. However if for instance you have eaten soon before taking the niacin, you must take more, and the niacin delays in entering the system. Under those conditions I have been "protected" even though I ddin't get a flush. Also if you take a lot of niacin on a completely empty stomach, the flush comes fast and strong. If yo have the orgasm too quickly, you'll probably find that the  niacin hasn't had time to do it's magic, and even though you had a good flush, you are not "protected".

So there are exceptions, and clearly  it ISN'T the flush that protects, but the niacin.

That too goes against what the allergist thinks.

[demografx]

Does anyone take Niaspan? I do, daily. It's 500 mg niacin extended release tablets. But my testosterone regimen works very well for my POIS, so my niacin is taken for other conditions. Just thought I'd post it for others to know about niacin-extended-release availability.

[rock27]

Hi again, 

Don't know if you guys remember me (hope you do). I posted a short while back on nsf a message talking about my constant pois and the horrible symptoms it's accompanied with. During the past few months in which time I have learned about pois and the triggers to it, I've stopped masturbating. Going celibate wasn't enough to stop the symptoms though. I would have pois symptoms constantly. I've realized the constant pois was being caused by physical contact to the penis. Any simple and light touch including the rubbing of my boxers can trigger it. The worst symptoms it causes is awful cognitive disfunction and immediate physical fatigue that can actually put me to sleep. The moment this happens I also have the urgent need to pee which ends up all foamy in the toilet. I went to a urologist who had no idea what i was talking about. Although in the end he did give me a valuable piece Of information which is the reason behind the foamy urine. It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough. 
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I can't take feeling like this every day anymore! 
Help regarding treatment would be most welcome.

My shutter is weak as well. I have posted this before and got replies that I was not the only one, i don't know how to fix it though. Try antihistamine to relieve symptoms, though some sites claim that antihistamines weaken the shutter.

[Ccconfucius]

could the weak shutter be from overmasturbation.  I think i have week shutter to. when i pee i see clear oily liquid in water, it looks like putting oil in water.

This problem gradually happend to me, it is not something i started out with having.

[Observer]

It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough.
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I wonder if this is the reason of some POISers getting mild POIS from arousal or having symptoms that don´t go away . This just makes a lot of sense.

[Daveman]

It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough.
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I wonder if this is the reason of some POISers getting mild POIS from arousal or having symptoms that don´t go away . This just makes a lot of sense.

As you know, I don't have much POIS now, but I DO notice, that if I go for a little more than 10 days, that some symptoms start coming back. I attribute this to simple assimilation of sperm by the body, which has been building up, with no place to go.

The body starts to dispose of it, and I start to get more symptoms. If I take niacin and have sex, everything resets to "hunky dorry"

[demografx]

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[Stef]

Hi again, 

Don't know if you guys remember me (hope you do). I posted a short while back on nsf a message talking about my constant pois and the horrible symptoms it's accompanied with. During the past few months in which time I have learned about pois and the triggers to it, I've stopped masturbating. Going celibate wasn't enough to stop the symptoms though. I would have pois symptoms constantly. I've realized the constant pois was being caused by physical contact to the penis. Any simple and light touch including the rubbing of my boxers can trigger it. The worst symptoms it causes is awful cognitive disfunction and immediate physical fatigue that can actually put me to sleep. The moment this happens I also have the urgent need to pee which ends up all foamy in the toilet. I went to a urologist who had no idea what i was talking about. Although in the end he did give me a valuable piece Of information which is the reason behind the foamy urine. It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough. 
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I can't take feeling like this every day anymore! 
Help regarding treatment would be most welcome.

Amigoro --

Has your physician made any suggestions about retrograde ejaculation??

Stef

[Daveman]

Hi again, 

Don't know if you guys remember me (hope you do). I posted a short while back on nsf a message talking about my constant pois and the horrible symptoms it's accompanied with. During the past few months in which time I have learned about pois and the triggers to it, I've stopped masturbating. Going celibate wasn't enough to stop the symptoms though. I would have pois symptoms constantly. I've realized the constant pois was being caused by physical contact to the penis. Any simple and light touch including the rubbing of my boxers can trigger it. The worst symptoms it causes is awful cognitive disfunction and immediate physical fatigue that can actually put me to sleep. The moment this happens I also have the urgent need to pee which ends up all foamy in the toilet. I went to a urologist who had no idea what i was talking about. Although in the end he did give me a valuable piece Of information which is the reason behind the foamy urine. It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough. 
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I can't take feeling like this every day anymore! 
Help regarding treatment would be most welcome.

Amigoro --

Has your physician made any suggestions about retrograde ejaculation??

Stef

Sounds almost operable

[amijgoro]

The discussion with my urologyst about retrograde ejaculation was pretty blunt. When he mentioned the possibility of semen escaping into the bladder I immidiatley tried to get more information out of him but the kind doc didn't want to go off topic and there wasn't much time left so it ended there. When I got home I imidiatly started researching about it and this is mainly what I've found:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/retrograde-ejaculation/DS00913/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

This website shared with us info about possible treatment for retrograde ejaculation. After reading it I went straight to my local pharmacy to buy medication in order to help with the problem. One of the meds I baught was sudafed which is a decongestant medication that contains Psuedoephedrine, a component which will tighten the sphincter. Once taking it I had very bad brain fog and depression that went away after a few hours. Not pleasant (which is why I posted this in the first place). But most importantly, the effect of the Psuedoephedrine worked and made the non stop problem magically go away for a short while. I stopped taking it the next day because the brain fog repeated it's self. I went back to the pharmacy and got a drug called paramol That contains Psuedoephedrine in a lower dasage and chlorpheneramine. This seems to be working for me for the time being (a few days but does not get rid of the problem completely) and I have to take it 4 times a day.

From my undersatanding of what I have, semen is definitely the culprit here. It's the semen in the bladder that's causing the symptomes. So my guess is I'm creating semen that's harmful to my body that can be contained in the bladder and/ or maybe be alergic to it. It's a good guess to me.
I'm going to make another apointment with a urologyst to discuss the matter in depth. In the meantime I'm gonna do more research on it. God willing we will all find relief and self peace.

[demografx]

amijgoro, thank you for sharing your detailed experience about this. I never had good luck with urologists. Maybe I expected too much from them. I assumed they were experts about anything going on "down there."

My cure eventually came through working with an endocrinologist.

[kurtosis]

amijgoro, thank you for sharing your detailed experience about this. I never had good luck with urologists. Maybe I expected too much from them. I assumed they were experts about anything going on "down there."

My cure eventually came through working with an endocrinologist.

Endocrinologists are much more holistic in their thinking than most other doctors as diseases related to the over or underproduction of hormones, for whatever reason, can have symptoms that appear anywhere. You've got to remember that a doctor only knows how to treat certain things. If a disease is outside their understanding or treatment capabilities then they're unlikely to be interested. If you can get your doctor to refer you to an endocrinologist for your POIS symptoms it's a lot better than being referred to a shrink

[demografx]

kurtosis, as soon as you said "refer to shrink" I went "ouch!!!"

[demografx]

I didn't wait to get referred to an endocrinogist. I barged right in!

30+ years of POIS agony, I had zero patience .

[kurtosis]

I didn't wait to get referred to an endocrinogist. I barged right in!

30+ years of POIS agony, I had zero patience .

In some countries you can't do that Demo. Seriously, you cannot see a specialist without an explicit referral (in writing with paper trail) from a "family doctor". That might sound like nuts but the end result is that it makes POIS almost impossible to discuss with any doctor. I've been referred to shrinks 3 times for suggesting I might have POIS. Different doctors of course! I've come to the conclusion that these doctors need to be referred to psychiatrists themselves to deal with their delusions of infallibility

[aalkaff]

I didn't wait to get referred to an endocrinogist. I barged right in!

30+ years of POIS agony, I had zero patience .

In some countries you can't do that Demo. Seriously, you cannot see a specialist without an explicit referral (in writing with paper trail) from a "family doctor". That might sound like nuts but the end result is that it makes POIS almost impossible to discuss with any doctor. I've been referred to shrinks 3 times for suggesting I might have POIS. Different doctors of course! I've come to the conclusion that these doctors need to be referred to psychiatrists themselves to deal with their delusions of infallibility

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKKKKKKKKK POIS!!!

There, just wanted to get that off my chest.

A few months ago, I went on a search for an endocrinologist who'd be willing to work with me and supervise my treatment attempts. I was a bit surprised to discover that we've got a whole lot of jerks in Dubai with 'Dr.' before their names. The areas of government health and government education are perhaps the worst over here, with private institutions being about average. We spent money on a lot of things but missed the mark in those two critical areas. Anyway, governement/society problems aside, I don't want to give up, and I'll restart the search, especially because I don't know when my employer's patience will run out, what with the weekly one-to-two sick days off I keep taking.

So, is an endocrinologist the best doc for the job? And have you guys explored online correspondence with one? For a fee even? (A great business idea for doctors )

[aalkaff]

It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough.
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I wonder if this is the reason of some POISers getting mild POIS from arousal or having symptoms that don´t go away . This just makes a lot of sense.

As you know, I don't have much POIS now, but I DO notice, that if I go for a little more than 10 days, that some symptoms start coming back. I attribute this to simple assimilation of sperm by the body, which has been building up, with no place to go.

The body starts to dispose of it, and I start to get more symptoms. If I take niacin and have sex, everything resets to "hunky dorry"

I'm not sure if I've got the same cause(s), but I get POIS or at least POIS-like symptoms when I feel I'm 'loaded'. For me, that's usually on the third or fourth day since the last O. Yeah, I know--I've got problems abstaining from any sexual activity for more than a couple of days. A lot of will power and self-trickery is required, which are scarce in my case, because of POIS--Catch-22.

Hmm, I should probably search for posts on how to reduce libido and/or sperm production. Without surgery. I hope.

[demografx]

I didn't wait to get referred to an endocrinogist. I barged right in!

30+ years of POIS agony, I had zero patience .

In some countries you can't do that Demo. Seriously, you cannot see a specialist without an explicit referral (in writing with paper trail) from a "family doctor". That might sound like nuts but the end result is that it makes POIS almost impossible to discuss with any doctor. I've been referred to shrinks 3 times for suggesting I might have POIS. Different doctors of course! I've come to the conclusion that these doctors need to be referred to psychiatrists themselves to deal with their delusions of infallibility

That's horrible!

Thanks for reminding me that I'm LUCKY that I could "just barge in" to a specialist's office. Here where I live you can do that but you might pay astronomical "out of network" charges!

The referral system in some locales is terrible.

[demografx]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKKKKKKKKK POIS!!!

I CONCUR!!!

[demografx]

The above is an example of freedom of speech that relieves some of my tension as well as Ali's.

Prohibited at the other forum.