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Zinc deficiency
« on: October 07, 2021, 04:16:33 PM »
Hello everyone,

I was in this forum since 2013 (maybe before that, with a different account). I had a lot of problems after each ejaculation, i had a treatment-resistant anemia, brainfog and social-phobia, depression and anxiety. I tried a lot of supplements to cure myself, and i learned a lot from this forum, thank you by the way .

I don't enter this forum since i don't have those problems anymore.

But I have to tell you that the root cause of my problems wasn't iron deficiency like i believed, but zinc deficiency (zinc is essential for iron absorbtion), since i took the two supplements in the same period along with other supplements.

I took 30 mg of zinc every night, i needed at least 2 monthes to feel a difference. But the difference was huge.

Take into account that blood zinc content doesn't correlate with intracellular zinc levels. So your bloodwork may show normal zinc levels while you are actually very deficient.

Zinc is an important cofactor for testosterone production, low zinc = low testosterone, and low testosterone leads to depression, anxiety and other brain issues.

Each time you ejaculate, you are getting rid of a lot of zinc (one study shows that 1 ejaculation takes all the zinc you consumed in your day "that's about 13 mg" not 1 mg like other studies suggest, since zinc isn't easy to mesure in sperm) 

I know that this treatment may not work for everyone, but it is easy to try and you have nothing to lose.

Sorry for my bad english, i will come back in few days to check if there is questions to answer.

Have a nice day.



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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 04:51:30 PM »
Hi Youcef, and thanks for sharing your success story.
Have you been POIS-free for more than 3 months, now, with your method?  If so, I would like to include you in my "POIS types chart and their relief methods", if you don't mind.

Also, can you be more specific about the kind of zinc supplement you use?  Which salt, for example, zinc picolinate, zinc gluconate, or another one?  The dosage in mg of Zn salt, and/or in elemental Zn, would be fine to know too.  Same kind of details for Iron would be appreciated as well.

Zinc tends to give nausea - did you have any side effects with it ? 


I will put in the chart all the details you will give me, like, how many tablets did you take a day, etc..., and, did you have blood tests before, and after, even if, as you say, it does not reflect the intracellular values?  All these details may help other members,

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 05:29:10 PM »
Good morning Quantum,

I'm Pois-free for more than a year.

I used 240 mg of zinc gluconate, the equivalent of 30 mg of zinc element.

For iron, i took 600 mg of ferrous fumarate (200 mg of iron element per day)

I wasn't monitoring my zinc, since my target was to correct my anemia. Wich was corrected ( i wasn't able to raise my hemoglobin before taking zinc) my hemoglobin then started to raise to reach 11,3 g/dl then 11,9 g/dl, since then i continued using iron for a year since i was afraid to go back to anemia again.

Zinc made me a little sleepy, that's why i took it at night, i didn't have nausea or other side effects from it.

Iron was giving me constipation, but i was using lactulose at the same time to manage that side effect.

I didn't take the two supplements at the same time (i was taking iron during the day with vit C, and zinc at night)

i stopped iron last month. I'll do a bloodwork in few weeks and share the results with you.

I don't mind sharing my story to help the others, this is why i'm here.



« Last Edit: October 07, 2021, 05:32:11 PM by youcefrouiba »

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2021, 02:27:56 AM »
Tried Zinc, did nothing, evem the opposite I felt somehow anxious after it.
But I am glad to hear that it helped you of course.
no sugar diet helps me a tiny bit, also makes my mind much calmer in general. Sugar is definitely something my body does not handle well. Also I noticed that other inflammations like a hangover are better since I quit sugar. I avoid sweet fruits as well.

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2021, 05:21:23 AM »
Hi
I somewhat agree with this, our body loses something after ejaculation that it takes between seven to twenty days to make up for it, the interesting thing is that I have also seen this disease in some women. In my opinion, after ejaculation, something in our body decreases

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2021, 07:31:26 AM »

I'm Pois-free for more than a year.


Congratulations, youcefrouiba!
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2021, 07:37:02 AM »

In my opinion, after ejaculation, something in our body decreases


Very reasonable!

In at least part of my own POIS, that “something” is testosterone.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2021, 07:56:07 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2021, 07:25:31 PM »
Hi Youcef,

I have added your method in the POIS Types Chart, see at number 18:  https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448

I would like a few more details to make your section more complete:

- Do you still take zinc to this day ?  If not, for how many months did you take it?


- It would be interesting to add some more of the usual symptoms you had when in POIS, apart from brain fog.  I will add them if you give me a brief list.

- Also, do you have a list of supplements and methods that you tried, but that did not work for you?

Thank you for sharing your experience!
« Last Edit: October 09, 2021, 07:32:09 PM by Quantum »
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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2021, 01:50:40 AM »
Good morning Quantum,

I'm Pois-free for more than a year.

I used 240 mg of zinc gluconate, the equivalent of 30 mg of zinc element.

For iron, i took 600 mg of ferrous fumarate (200 mg of iron element per day)

I wasn't monitoring my zinc, since my target was to correct my anemia. Wich was corrected ( i wasn't able to raise my hemoglobin before taking zinc) my hemoglobin then started to raise to reach 11,3 g/dl then 11,9 g/dl, since then i continued using iron for a year since i was afraid to go back to anemia again.

Zinc made me a little sleepy, that's why i took it at night, i didn't have nausea or other side effects from it.

Iron was giving me constipation, but i was using lactulose at the same time to manage that side effect.

I didn't take the two supplements at the same time (i was taking iron during the day with vit C, and zinc at night)

i stopped iron last month. I'll do a bloodwork in few weeks and share the results with you.

I don't mind sharing my story to help the others, this is why i'm here.

That seems like a rather high dose of iron. How did you decide on that level?

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2021, 04:49:52 PM »
Hello everyone,

@Hapl : I started by a low dose of iron,and because i wasn't absorbing it very well,i decided to raise the dose by myself.

@Quantum : I'm still supplementing Zinc,but i plan to reduce the dose to 15 mg for 90 days then 5 mg ,then stop it later and replace it with food (i stopped it before for about 20 days and symptoms didn't reappear ).

Other symptoms i had : Digestive problems (bloating),low concentration,low self-esteem,personality changes,depression for several days,acne,inability to gain weight,hair dandruff.all those symptoms are gone.

Things i tried and gave me a short term relief in the beginning,then didn't work after multiple use :

- Prifinium bromide 30 mg (was effectif for several monthes,i had to rise the dose to have the same effect,was giving me euphoria)
-Natural supplements :Thym,curcumin,flaxseed,fenugreek,oregano,cinnamon,ginger,fish oil,boswellia,Apple Cider Vinegar,ginkgo biloba,st john's wort,boswellia,garlic,cocoa(each time one supplement work but the others don't,it was random)
-No lactose,No gluten,No fructose,no salicylates,No sugar,No legumes diets.(diets was effectif just for several days,giving me false hope,then no effect at all when i continue with them)
-Massage,Breathing exercice (sometimes little relief for about 3 hours,sometimes no relief at all)
-Ciproheptadine 4 mg (i had to take it after each meal since its effectiveness go away after eating,even if i eat a small bite of food )
-O once a week or less,no PMO for several days.
-Fexofenadine 180 mg
-Supplements : B1,B2,B3,B9,B12,C,E,D,Selenium,Magnesium,Calcium,Omega 3,Progesterone 200 mg.

What helped me the most (before zinc) :

Progesterone,St john's wort,Ciproheptadine,Prifinium bromide 30 mg.

Didn't help :

-Testosterone capsules for one month
-Chamomille oil
-Lavender oil
-Rosmarin
-Betahistine
-Ginseng
-Sulpiride
-Licorice
-Coconut oil
-Glutamine powder
-Aspartam
-Gelatin
-H pylori overgrowth treatment : amoxicilline clarithromycine,omeprazole and metronidazole for 14 days + saccharomyces boulardii
-Ampicilline for 28 days (i though i had sibo that caused leaky gut)
-Candida treatment : fluconazole 150 mg
-Sulfur bacteria treatment : no thiol no sulfur diet,taking oregano powder.

What was worsening my POIS :

-Sleeping for more than 7 hours
-Eating (except if i eat high protein food,like a piece of meat alone without anything else)
-Dairy products,coffee.


Well,i tried other supplements/methods that didn't work but i don't remember all of them since each time i was trying different things.

I add this : I read that Zinc + iron + b9 + b12 + Magnesium are crucial for ADN synthesis ,that's why i supplemented all of them for more than 2 months.





« Last Edit: October 10, 2021, 05:30:11 PM by youcefrouiba »

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2021, 05:11:56 PM »
Thanks, youcefrouiba!
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2021, 01:15:42 AM »
I have started taking Zinc Plus and Selenium Plus supplements under the supervision of a doctor and I hope to achieve results

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2021, 01:17:04 AM »
The doctor did not recommend iron tablets for me and told me to continue the supplements for six months

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2021, 09:19:20 AM »
I have started taking Zinc Plus and Selenium Plus supplements under the supervision of a doctor and I hope to achieve results
Keep us updated on your results, whatever they are, hosien !
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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2021, 02:22:27 PM »
-No lactose,No gluten,No fructose,no salicylates,No sugar,No legumes diets.(diets was effectif just for several days,giving me false hope,then no effect at all when i continue with them)

Just a thought: Were you (unintentionally) avoiding foods high in zinc before?

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2021, 11:32:23 PM »

I add this : I read that Zinc + iron + b9 + b12 + Magnesium are crucial for ADN synthesis ,that's why i supplemented all of them for more than 2 months.

Is there a reason you believe it was a zinc deficiency and not a magnesium or B vitamin deficiency?

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2021, 02:15:12 PM »
Hello friends, after taking 12 azirocin 500 tablets a day and of course taking the supplement for 3 or 4 days, I do not have any symptoms after ejaculation. Of course, today when I did the crp test, the result was normal, but before taking the antibiotic, my crp was higher than normal.

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2021, 06:48:01 PM »
Hello friends, after taking 12 azirocin 500 tablets a day and of course taking the supplement for 3 or 4 days, I do not have any symptoms after ejaculation. Of course, today when I did the crp test, the result was normal, but before taking the antibiotic, my crp was higher than normal.
Hi hosien,
Who told you to take such a high and dangerous dosage of azithromycin ( azirocin) ?  The maximum dosage is 1 gram ( 2 tablets of 500mg) in one single dose, and no other dose after that.  So you had 6 times the maximum dose ! 

( 2 grams in a single dose , so 4 tablets, is possible in very severe infection, but again, in one single dose.  You still are 3 times that dosage )

With this kind of overdosage, you should call right away your  healthcare provider or local Poison Control Center.
Azithromycin has a very long half-life, so it will stay high in your body for over 2 to 3 weeks.  Since it affects the QT interval ( a heart problem when it gets too long), consult a health professional and avoid any other drug that affects the QT interval ( like anti-histaminics and others - ask your health professional for more details).
Also, this treatment puts you at risk for Clostridium Difficile diarrhea - again, check with a health professional.
Obviously, do not take any other azithromycin tablets.
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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2021, 06:55:10 PM »

Hi hosien,
…With this kind of overdosage, you should call right away

• your healthcare provider

• or local
Poison Control Center.




call 1.800.222.1222 <<<click here
(Re-routes to your LOCAL e.g, your State’s, Poison Control Center,  I think - - I just called and was connected to California Poison Control).

https://www.poison.org/

Or call 911

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« Last Edit: October 12, 2021, 07:49:56 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Zinc deficiency
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2021, 10:35:02 PM »
Probably mistranslated, I mean one pill a day under a doctor's supervision