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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #210 on: June 08, 2021, 10:20:53 PM »
I didn't have to explain anything beyond what I did already. It's certainly possibly to get very deep into specialized intricate questions... but that doesn't solve the problem for me.
Lots of medical cures have been discovered without fully understanding causality, or where it's understood later.

I was able to isolate the cause for my POIS, and implement an effective solution. It took me years to do it in various stages of surgeries, and it wasn't cheap either...
But I don't want to assume the role of laboratory researcher here.  My theory is very basic, and plain-spoken.  My solution is also very very simple, and effective. Of course it can be refined to a greater degree...

 
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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #211 on: June 08, 2021, 10:24:33 PM »
PS. I think you're on to some interesting things, Disaster..  so far all your self observations sound classic POIS to me, and your questions are valid. I shared many of the same issues you have.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #212 on: June 09, 2021, 02:42:00 AM »
Animus, thank you greatly for your historical POIS pioneering work! When the book on POIS is finally written, you’ll be a major figure.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #213 on: June 10, 2021, 07:48:29 AM »
I didn't have to explain anything beyond what I did already. It's certainly possibly to get very deep into specialized intricate questions... but that doesn't solve the problem for me.
Lots of medical cures have been discovered without fully understanding causality, or where it's understood later.

I was able to isolate the cause for my POIS, and implement an effective solution. It took me years to do it in various stages of surgeries, and it wasn't cheap either...
But I don't want to assume the role of laboratory researcher here.  My theory is very basic, and plain-spoken.  My solution is also very very simple, and effective. Of course it can be refined to a greater degree...

I understand, but to me your surgeries proved without a doubt that all 3 organs are involved not just just one. The medication and supplements helps to prove that a reduction in the prostate helps, but this is not as concrete of a proof in which way it helps. Why do you think that you need the supplement if you have medication to reduce it? Why isn?t the supplement enough. With the prostate that was surgically reduced why wasn?t the surgery enough? Could there be other elements to the medication or the supplements besides reduction.

As you said multiple times, the surgery is an expensive and very invasive solution. Also because the forum has been able to unearth seemingly multiple sub-types, it is difficult to know if the surgery would help everyone. For example some have been greatly helped by testosterone therapy. Would surgery make that worse? Maybe not but maybe. So I do think we need a 100% greater target if we hope to avoid surgery.

Looking at other people?s experiments over the years, to me I see most people being helped with vasodilation before orgasm. So if regeneration is the issue, how is that helping? I don?t see anything wrong with members experimenting with regeneration and semen volume reduction if we could find doctors whiling to prescribe and monitor us. In Dysautonomia we have such a doctor. Dysautonomia is basically a Peripheral Nervous system disease so if should fall under neurology but it can affect heart rate and blood pressure so this Cardiologist got involved with it (his daughter has it) and he basically sees hundreds of patients and virtually tested dozens of off label medications for it. Literally no other doctor in the world tested so many different meds and treatments of dysautonomia patients. So we really just need a few of these doctors. I tried to contact a few but the ones somewhat interested have their own theories on what causes POIS and I didn?t find that they were open for such experiments. It would help if we could have an animal model but there isn?t a way to do that yet since we have no tests to ensure a mouse would have POIS..
POIS sufferer for over 3 decades. Has progressively gotten worse over the years and I became completely disabled around 2011. My case of POIS is very severe.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #214 on: June 10, 2021, 02:21:04 PM »

I understand, but to me your surgeries proved without a doubt that all 3 organs are involved not just just one. The medication and supplements helps to prove that a reduction in the prostate helps, but this is not as concrete of a proof in which way it helps. Why do you think that you need the supplement if you have medication to reduce it? Why isn?t the supplement enough. With the prostate that was surgically reduced why wasn?t the surgery enough? Could there be other elements to the medication or the supplements besides reduction.

As you said multiple times, the surgery is an expensive and very invasive solution. Also because the forum has been able to unearth seemingly multiple sub-types, it is difficult to know if the surgery would help everyone. For example some have been greatly helped by testosterone therapy. Would surgery make that worse? Maybe not but maybe. So I do think we need a 100% greater target if we hope to avoid surgery.

Looking at other people?s experiments over the years, to me I see most people being helped with vasodilation before orgasm. So if regeneration is the issue, how is that helping? I don?t see anything wrong with members experimenting with regeneration and semen volume reduction if we could find doctors whiling to prescribe and monitor us. In Dysautonomia we have such a doctor. Dysautonomia is basically a Peripheral Nervous system disease so if should fall under neurology but it can affect heart rate and blood pressure so this Cardiologist got involved with it (his daughter has it) and he basically sees hundreds of patients and virtually tested dozens of off label medications for it. Literally no other doctor in the world tested so many different meds and treatments of dysautonomia patients. So we really just need a few of these doctors. I tried to contact a few but the ones somewhat interested have their own theories on what causes POIS and I didn?t find that they were open for such experiments. It would help if we could have an animal model but there isn?t a way to do that yet since we have no tests to ensure a mouse would have POIS..


Disaster,
I'm excited that you are in agreement about the 3 organs contributing to POIS. That is a major point I was trying to communicate, and it's very gratifying to hear that you agree...
Thank you again for reviving this thread. I'll always respond to enquiries here.

The Surgeries actually were not that expensive, now that I think of it in the scheme of things.
They cost about the price of a cheap used car!.,..  and if you consider the lifetime benefits I've received as a result, it's practically nothing.  I think I spent a total of $5,000-7,000 on the surgeries.  And that's incredibly cheap considering medical costs these days.

So I don't think COST is the major barrier, really... What is really really important is to go about it properly, with patience, and with trusted consultation, to Minimize any RISKS, and never rush. I took 3-4 years chipping away at this process, and took baby steps all along the way.

I think for those who are really suffering Debilitating life threatening POIS symptoms, and really are looking at an end to their lives, careers, relationships, and happiness as they know it.... surgery may be a really good alternative.  It might just give you a Second Lease on Life, as it did for me.  Now, I've never said that before on this site, because we're not supposed to endorse any invasive medical solutions, that are "unapproved"... but I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that:  I Promise, I will do everything I can to help anyone interested in pursuing the same course of action that I took 10 years ago.

I took copious notes, and documented my journey, and still have all my records, (mostly) and medical contacts.  All of them.  Most importantly, I Know the Dangers, Pitfalls, and RISKS to WATCH OUT FOR.  And they do exist. The surgeries need to be done in a particular order, and also not all at once. Very very important.

Just let me know, and I can send you more info as to how to go about doing it...

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #215 on: June 10, 2021, 03:15:47 PM »
The medication and supplements helps to prove that a reduction in the prostate helps, but this is not as concrete of a proof in which way it helps. Why do you think that you need the supplement if you have medication to reduce it? Why isn?t the supplement enough. With the prostate that was surgically reduced why wasn?t the surgery enough? Could there be other elements to the medication or the supplements besides reduction.

To answer this question:
It's actually very simple:
It's too risky to remove the entire prostate. So the smart alternative is to make it smaller, and minimise it as much as possible.
I researched options, and found that the TURP is a very common procedure used to treat an enlarged Prostate gland.  What it does is it keeps the Prostate intact, and simply removes some of the tissue of it. It's all done through the urethrea, so it's non -invasive and very safe. Keeping the Prostate is very important- because the Prostate also Regulates Urine Flow.  And without it, you risk Incontinence. 

re. the supplements, Prostate meds:
Medications can only do a fraction of what the surgery does... a TURP physically removes tissue, whereas the meds mostly relax the tissue.  Also, a Prostate naturally GROWS over time. So the meds are a counter to that growth. The goal is Zero Ejaculation. Dry Ejaculation.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #216 on: June 10, 2021, 04:00:09 PM »
Hi guys, here is one exepmple of desparate man:

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3551.msg40839#msg40839
Dr-pois.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #217 on: June 10, 2021, 04:26:41 PM »
Generally I'd advise this:
Separate the Oriechtomy from the TURP, and the Seminal vesicle removal.
Oriectomy is the "Castration" part of it- removing the testicles.
Here are some things to consider.
1. You can bank your semen.
2. If you already have children, and not planning on having more.
3. You can fully maintain your Testosterone levels for the rest of your life with TRT.
I do a weekly self-injection.
4. This operation can be done locally, in the USA, in a clinic setting. There are doctors who do this for people to Sex-change.  I found one in Philadelphia, who did exactly that. He was a respected Urologist.  You can walk out of the clinic the same day. I think it cost me $2,000.
5. Very important to MEASURE your T Levels Before you do any surgery. Find out what your baseline Testosterone is. 
6. After surgery, you will need Testosterone-replacement Therapy. (TRT).  IT IS CRITICAL that you get used to this, and find your baseline T again. With an EndoCrinologist.  Testosterone is very important.  After my Surgery I went on the wrong dose of T, and it really messed with me for a while. I end up taking now less than HALF of what I was initially prescribed. And it works GREAT.
Once you have adjusted to this, you can go on to the second and Third operation.
7. I think the main question to ask yourself is: What is more important to my quality of life?
Would I like a chance at a normal, healthy life, and POIS free future?  Or would I rather keep my testicles?
I have no judgment either way. And I was in no way seeking to diminish MYSELF as a MAN.  In fact, the experience has vastly strengthened me as  a man. I am more self reliant, strong, happy, and capable than was before.  Sure, I don't like the feeling of not having balls there. But they do make prosthetics, if you really want to go that route. Honestly, after a while, you really don't think about it. I have NO REGRETS.
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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #218 on: June 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM »
Hi Animus, but question is , is it nessesery removing testicles at all?
Even turp too, because ,someone do not hawe enlarged prostate, like me for exemple...

For exemple, i did some science tests on myself:
When i hawe full prostate from sexual arousal,
i did successfuly ("eyaculate") prostate fluid
(semen) by masaging and no sperm from testicles,
and i do not hawe 2% pois from this.

Another exemple, as i did read in past , Daveman
claims that he got pois form vasectomy.
On other hand, several poiser did vasectomy and
pois is still there...

Further, i did seweral science test on me ,
after long period of absitnence, 3-5-6 moonths.
I did high viusal sexual arousal on purpose.
15min long, 30min long , no mastrubation,
no eyaculation.
That give me 50% pois-and last 2-3 days..
eyaculation on that, pois will be 100%.
...
Dr-pois.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #219 on: June 10, 2021, 05:30:41 PM »
Hi Animus, but question is , is it nessesery removing testicles at all?
Even turp too, because ,someone do not hawe enlarged prostate, like me for exemple...

For exemple, i did some science tests on myself:
When i hawe full prostate from sexual arousal,
i did successfuly ("eyaculate") prostate fluid
(semen) by masaging and no sperm from testicles,
and i do not hawe 2% pois from this.

Another exemple, as i did read in past , Daveman
claims that he got pois form vasectomy.
On other hand, several poiser did vasectomy and
pois is still there...

Further, i did seweral science test on me ,
after long period of absitnence, 3-5-6 moonths.
I did high viusal sexual arousal on purpose.
15min long, 30min long , no mastrubation,
no eyaculation.
That give me 50% pois-and last 2-3 days..
eyaculation on that, pois will be 100%.
...

Hi Hopeoneday,
Thanks... I can't really answer your question.
All I can do is offer help to those who are seeking this method.
I simply cannot hope to field all the questions regarding this from 100s of people on the forum. I don't deny the validity of your questions.

You have to decide for yourself, I am not going to convince you.
All I can offer is my experience, methodology, and guidance.
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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #220 on: June 10, 2021, 06:08:02 PM »
Dont wory Animus, thanks, you are pure gold here , with yours pois exemples
and solution.
You are writing clearly about yours case ,
and you do not convince enyone here ,
you are yust helping from yours expirience.

Me , trying to thing logicly and do practical science on the mater...
And i tryng to save some mans ball..testicles here   ;D ;D
Dr-pois.

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #221 on: June 10, 2021, 06:23:56 PM »
Dont wory Animus, thanks, you are pure gold here , with yours pois exemples
and solution.
You are writing clearly about yours case ,
and you do not convince enyone here ,
you are yust helping from yours expirience.

Me , trying to thing logicly and do practical science on the mater...
And i tryng to save some mans ball..testicles here   ;D ;D

;D ;D

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Re: Castration, why did it work
« Reply #222 on: June 10, 2021, 10:31:50 PM »
Incredible conversation!

Thank you, gentlemen.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business