Clomid instead of TRT

[Hopeoneday]

Almost cured posts lately???

[Muon]

For what reason did they prescribe this to you?

[POISed2cure]

I bought Clomid today. 50 mg tablets. Will break into 2. Have not decided how I will approach it, probably 25 mg every other day, or maybe 4-5 days a week, or 5 days on, 5 days off. Different studies have used different approaches. My body and testes are quite a lot smaller than average so I will go easy on the dose, and watch out for side effects. Will report back. I suspect my body has trouble making up semen at the normal rate after O due to size.

[POISed2cure]

Ansom - what do you mean "almost cured". Can you please be more specific, in order to help others here. I will begin taking it this week. What dose/frequency are you on? When did you start taking it?

[anson123]

Hey, sorry I have not read much posts lately in this forum, but I knew this forum since more than 8 years ago. So I will try to give my best to share my experience. Feel free to ask.

After I married last year, my wife ecouraged me to let me test my testosterone level, after I
founded journals of people being cured from POIS. They had low level of testosterone.

My testosterone level was similar like theirs before cured. It was low.

So I decided to tell my mother in law that I had a rare disorder maybe because my low Testos.level. Thanks God she know people like that. So she recommended me to visit an andrologist. Thanks God he is a good senior one, also has a good reputation among his youngster.

He gave me options: 70dollar/shot HCG or less than 1 dollar half of clomid tablet / day.

I started to take 4 January every two days. After 25 days my testos.level rised high, he lowered it to every three days.

Until now the symptomps are much milder on the second day. On the third day it is 99.5% normal.

[POISed2cure]

Anson, thank you for taking the time to write back. I really appreciate it.

- Can I ask what dose you took? Was it 25 mg every 2 days to start, or 50 mg every 2 days?

-  Do you still experience bad POIS on the first day? Have you (and your doctor) considered increasing the dose to see what happens to your symptoms?

I have low testosterone, and will begin taking Clomid tomorrow, so your experience is helpful!

Thanks again.

[Lihua]

hello POISed2cure, looking forward to your positive result!

[POISed2cure]

Thank you Lihua 😊 I wish you well too, and will report back soon within about 3 weeks of testing.

[anson123]

Hi POISed2cure,

- Can I ask what dose you took? Was it 25 mg every 2 days to start, or 50 mg every 2 days?
always 25mg, start with every 2 days, after the testos.level high enough every 3 days

-  Do you still experience bad POIS on the first day? Have you (and your doctor) considered increasing the dose to see what happens to your symptoms? it is around 92% healthy within 24hours. I can still work, drive, walk on the street. Not very bad, but not perfect. Before clomid/low testos.level I was oftenly hidding in my bedroom for around 3 days.

I have low testosterone, and will begin taking Clomid tomorrow, so your experience is helpful! good luck! Thanks I am glad can help

[anson123]

Few days ago I was finish with the examination of the tiny symptomps. I will check my testos.level again if still in the normal range & maybe visit the Doctor. He refused to publish my result at the beginning, a weird good one.   

[POISed2cure]

Wonderful. So glad you have relief, and hope it lasts the rest of your life. I also "hide in my bedroom" for about 2-3 days. Thank you for answering those questions. I have no expectations, but will share my results soon. If you have time, I had just a few more questions... 😊

- Do you take your pill in the morning or evening, with food or without?
- How often are you able to O now?
- Do you notice any other physical or mental changes?
- What were your Testosterone levels before the 25 days of Clomid, and after the 25 days? (Approximately)

Thank you... 😊

[POISed2cure]

Hi folks, one of the posts below has a member (Ansom) that has been treated successfully (90%+) for several months now using an alternative to TRT - Clomid, an easy, relatively cheap fertility drug that boosts T levels. This was prescribed to him by his doctor and his treatment is summarised in the Clomid post. He has been on it Since January. His testosterone levels were low and after 25 days on Clomid his T levels were much higher.
Just thought we may wish to add that for other members... I recall reading other positive stories/comments for Clomid. Thanks.

[Quantum]

Hi folks, one of the posts below has a member (Ansom) that has been treated successfully (90%+) for several months now using an alternative to TRT - Clomid, an easy, relatively cheap fertility drug that boosts T levels. This was prescribed to him by his doctor and his treatment is summarised in the Clomid post. He has been on it Since January. His testosterone levels were low and after 25 days on Clomid his T levels were much higher.
Just thought we may wish to add that for other members... I recall reading other positive stories/comments for Clomid. Thanks.

Hi POISed2cure,
Thanks for your comment. Yes, it would be possible to add a Clomid section in my POIS type chart.  I would like to have a little more information from Ansom ( see my questions to him lower in this thread)
However, Clomid has some drawbacks.  For example, it is hard on the liver, and can have other side effects.  That is why it is available on prescription only.

If you stumble upon one of those other positive feedbacks about Clomid, let me know.  I read about the partial success of member david, but he also takes Androgel along with Clomid.  I also saw some comments by user ramore, but it looks like he stopped Clomid now, not specifying the reason ( no follow-up). 

[Quantum]

Hi POISed2cure,

- Can I ask what dose you took? Was it 25 mg every 2 days to start, or 50 mg every 2 days?
always 25mg, start with every 2 days, after the testos.level high enough every 3 days

-  Do you still experience bad POIS on the first day? Have you (and your doctor) considered increasing the dose to see what happens to your symptoms? it is around 92% healthy within 24hours. I can still work, drive, walk on the street. Not very bad, but not perfect. Before clomid/low testos.level I was oftenly hidding in my bedroom for around 3 days.

I have low testosterone, and will begin taking Clomid tomorrow, so your experience is helpful! good luck! Thanks I am glad can help

Hi Anson,

I am considering adding a section about Clomid in my POIS Types Chart, where I list the effective methods of relief found by members (Your success with Clomid for over 3 months now was brought to my attention by POISed2cure).
To have a more complete section,  I would like to have a little more information from you. 

What were your usual POIS symptoms before treatment, and what symptoms are disappearing with Clomid, and what symptoms remain despite Clomid ?

Also, do you have side effects with Clomid ?  Did your doctor check your liver enzymes ( Clomid is hard on the liver) ?

I understand that you started at 25mg of Clomid every other day until Testosterone got to a normal level, and after 25mg once every 3 days. Is that correct?

It looks that your (almost) complete relief comes at day 3 at around 90%, so what percentage of relief do you have on day 1, and what percentage of relief on day 2?   

Do you have to limit your Os, like, no more than once a week, for this method to stay effective ?

Thanks for the details!

[POISed2cure]

Thanks for the follow up Quantum... Much appreciated. Glad you pointed out the liver issue - I would not even consider that until first finding out if it works. Even if it is hard on the liver, it still may serve as a cheap, easy, and effective way to test the testosterone option for anyone with below-normal-to-borderline T levels - one may switch to a different T option later. TRT can be a tough sell to a doctor, especially one not familiar with POIS. I recall demo not having low-enough T levels for his specialist to approve TRT but he somehow managed to find a doctor to approve. I am on my third day of testing Clomid - my T-levels are borderline, so we'll see if it helps. Like you I prefer natural options and will always focus more on finding natural ways but if the issue is related to hypogonadism or abnormally low T levels, it may be necessary.

Ansom wrote that on the first day he can live quite normally without severe symptoms (90% fine) whereas before that he was hiding in his room for 3 days. To me that is an enormous shift, as somebody who falls in the "hiding in his bedroom" category myself.

Hopefully he returns soon to answer both our questions.

[anson123]

Wonderful. So glad you have relief, and hope it lasts the rest of your life. thanks..I hope also, someday..I also "hide in my bedroom" for about 2-3 days. I really understand, very bad conditions, hope your treatment will workThank you for answering those questions. I have no expectations, but will share my results soon. If you have time, I had just a few more questions... 😊very sorry for the late reply

- Do you take your pill in the morning or evening, with food or without? evening I guess, after dinner, I have also problem memorizing details by the way   
- How often are you able to O now? after some trials I realize it is better not to have orgasm if not neccesary. Because 90% within 24hours is also risky, luckily I could handle it to get deals with clients, but risky
- Do you notice any other physical or mental changes? in the first day after I took the pill, my head was getting warm. After some weeks I think my body was getting stronger, faster regeneration after physical exercises, can run like I was in the high school, better stamina. I can work also better, less coffee. Longer time to have orgasm, difficult to have short orgasm during sex
- What were your Testosterone levels before the 25 days of Clomid, and after the 25 days? (Approximately) ok I will write in the next reply

[anson123]

These are the results of my T tests, before treatment & after I felt my body was too warm (before I reduced to every 3 days)

[anson123]

Hi Quantum, sorry for the late reply

What were your usual POIS symptoms before treatment, and what symptoms are disappearing with Clomid, and what symptoms remain despite Clomid ? my symtomps were: memory loss, problem to talk with more than 1 person, less concentration, difficult to understand example reading books/watching movies, weird body sweating, stamina drop, body getting weak, less concentration while walking on the street. It needed around 7-10days to be cured. After treatment it all still remain, but it much less, see the percentages below

Also, do you have side effects with Clomid ?  Did your doctor check your liver enzymes ( Clomid is hard on the liver) ? I just felt my upper body temperature was getting warm, that's all. I didn't check, maybe because I think it was just 25days of treatment. Now after 5 months since treatment started, I feel ok

I understand that you started at 25mg of Clomid every other day until Testosterone got to a normal level, and after 25mg once every 3 days. Is that correct? yes

It looks that your (almost) complete relief comes at day 3 at around 90%, so what percentage of relief do you have on day 1, and what percentage of relief on day 2?   day 1 around 90%, day 2 99%, (almost normal), day 3 99,5% (better than 99% or day two, but not perfect normal)

Do you have to limit your Os, like, no more than once a week, for this method to stay effective ? please see my previous reply

Thanks for the details! glad to share

[POISed2cure]

Thank you Ansom!! So much appreciated. Glad you are still having a high percentage of relief. I have been on Clomid for 2 weeks already - same as you - 25 mg every second day.

Will report back in a few weeks.

[anson123]

Hey, my best wishes, hope you succeed also! My last O was on Friday, we tried to have a baby. Saturday I still had a interview meeting, etc. Saturday night I didn't have the second O, because on Sunday I drove a car around  9 hours..

Before, I can't drive after O at all.. just sharing my condition. Glad to share, thanks