Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Hormonal Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: Vandemolen on October 24, 2018, 12:07:52 PM

Title: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 24, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.
There is an interesting alternative to traditional TRT injections/gels called clomiphene (Clomid). According to the second link below, it does not have a negative effect on male fertility:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5508437/

https://www.dontcookyourballs.com/can-clomid-treat-male-infertility/

Here's a quote from another paper regarding TRT and fertility:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854084/

Quote
"Alternatively, CC (clomiphene citrate) is commonly used as an alternative to TRT to treat hypogonadism in men wishing to preserve spermatogenesis. The ability to take an oral medicine that is relatively inexpensive and has good long-term safety data and is clinically efficacious at ameliorating hypogonadal symptoms is clearly advantageous."
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 24, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
Thanks Vander
We looking forward for positive results.

This look realy promising.

Heh like you took words from my mouth, couse thouse days i traying to resarch
naturall wey on how to incriese LH hormone and FSH.

I made comon patern and posible comon patern from poiser medical data.
(wery small amount of test result awalyable from poises)

But from those samall amount of results, a wery big amount of them
hawe a patern low testosterone hi estradiol.
See- https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2695.60
THIS LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY LOCKED OUR RECEPTORS AND TROW THE KEY
FAR FAR OWEY.

Is Clomid KEY for our relefe?


Clomid works by blocking estrogen receptors in the brain, which can increase the production of testosterone and sperm for men. Your body has a complex system for controlling its natural production of testosterone. The pituitary gland works a bit like a thermostat. When estrogen levels are low, it turns on and starts producing luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). As estrogen levels increase, the pituitary gland shuts down. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the brain and tricks it into thinking estrogen levels are low. In response, the pituitary gland continues to produce LH and FSH.


Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 24, 2018, 01:59:32 PM
Thanks Vander
We looking forward for positive results.

This look realy promising.

Heh like you took words from my mouth, couse thouse days i traying to resarch
naturall wey on how to incriese LH hormone and FSH.

I made comon patern and posible comon patern from poiser medical data.
(wery small amount of test result awalyable from poises)

But from those samall amount of results, a wery big amount of them
hawe a patern low testosterone hi estradiol.
See- https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2695.60
THIS LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY LOCKED OUR RECEPTORS AND TROW THE KEY
FAR FAR OWEY.

Is Clomid KEY for our relefe?


Clomid works by blocking estrogen receptors in the brain, which can increase the production of testosterone and sperm for men. Your body has a complex system for controlling its natural production of testosterone. The pituitary gland works a bit like a thermostat. When estrogen levels are low, it turns on and starts producing luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). As estrogen levels increase, the pituitary gland shuts down. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the brain and tricks it into thinking estrogen levels are low. In response, the pituitary gland continues to produce LH and FSH.

Yes at the medical results topic I saw that I am not the only one that has low testosterone (TRT) level. I think low TRT was one the many triggers why I got POIS. Few months before I noticed that I have POiS I gained 20 kilo (44 lbs) in a few months. I stopped with soccer and had a job inside. So my vitamin D must have dropped. And with the gained weight my testosterone dropped. Because of POIS I don’t excercise. That’s also a reason for low TRT. And I am only once a month sexually active. That’s not good for TRT.

But I don’t expect the same results as Demo and Green. Because they take directly TRT before sexual activity. And Green also takes Tramadol. That’s a heavy medicine. I got that after my tonsils operation. I slept more than 15 hours a day because of the Tramadol.
If Clomid helps me 25% I will be happy. And for me relief from prostitis is more important than POIS.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 24, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
Well if you ask me, cronic prostatitis could easly produce pois in some of us.
So if raising tst give some relefe or cure, that will be heudge.

Yeah, low wit d is also comon patern for poisers.

You wright about exercise, i remeber some nice results for owerall health
in times when i did do some body weight execcises.

That help a lot for pots(postural orto...)
I am also wrigt now exersise intolerant.
Because pois damage me so hard, and nerwes do not fire as it should be
ewan out of pois, breathing isues like astma, bloating-romheld syndrome(unable to burp)
and that put preshure on heart(wagus nerwe).....POTS...etc

But i am somehow in recowering lately by my will power and trying some kind of
diets that feet me.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 24, 2018, 03:26:29 PM
Well if you ask me, cronic prostatitis could easly produce pois in some of us.
So if raising tst give some relefe or cure, that will be heudge.

Yeah, low wit d is also comon patern for poisers.

You wright about exercise, i remeber some nice results for owerall health
in times when i did do some body weight execcises.

That help a lot for pots(postural orto...)
I am also wrigt now exersise intolerant.
Because pois damage me so hard, and nerwes do not fire as it should be
ewan out of pois, breathing isues like astma, bloating-romheld syndrome(unable to burp)
and that put preshure on heart(wagus nerwe).....POTS...etc

But i am somehow in recowering lately by my will power and trying some kind of
diets that feet me.
Excercise makes me sick. I get a runny nose, eyes are irritated. So I don’t go the gym anymore. Now I just walk for two hours. I try to do these walks at least twice a week. Maybe when my testosterone level goes up I can start doing sports again.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Scrub on October 24, 2018, 03:52:04 PM
Follow your doctor's advice. I'm interested to see how it goes for you.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 24, 2018, 03:57:54 PM
Yeah , i been in a fases when i coldnt get up from bed on my feet an ddo 10m walk to
fazes of 5km yoging, an then again exercise intorlerance( as soon as i started , get dizzy, pois like
symptomes, heating a body make this all worse, extreme temeratue outside 10time worse
(its like i am dehidrated but drinking water), all folowed by hert palpilations,
itss fell like all body nerwes do not work properly, then folow muscule stiffnes ,
endles , endles -you give all your self to get body and mind in balance but noo,
as i trayning more the condition is worse.

hmmmm wery wery nasty conditions.



Rasing T could be solution for relefe all of those symptomes.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 24, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
Follow your doctor's advice. I'm interested to see how it goes for you.
Yes I will report here how it goes. I have an appointment before Christmas. I think my testestorone will be checked after 3 months. They say the TRT level will double. That would be great. For now I have two bloodtests for my liver, as Quantum said in another topic Clomid is not so good for the liver. But I hope the side effects will not be worse because I only take 25 mg a day. Women normally take 50 mg a day.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 25, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
I am on day 2. The Clomid gives me hot flushes and I am a bit dizzy. It’s a known side effect of Clomid. Beside that I have no side effects. It’s normal because Clomid blocks estrogen. And estrogen helps against hot flushes. Beacuse the blokkage of estrogen my testosterone will go up.

I want to do this for at least 3 months and tops 6 months. Normally after 4 weeks my testosterone level must have go up.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: hurray on October 25, 2018, 02:34:28 PM
My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.


That's great news Vandemolen. I really hope that Clomid can help you with POIS and your prostatitis.

Your POIS doctor sounds like a very helpful and understanding person.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 25, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
Now I don’t use Nanna’s stack anymore I am also back on Taurine. I read that taurine is good for testosterone. I also use 50.000IE vitamin D once a week.

I will ask my POIS doctor if it’s a good idea to take an extra 25mg of Clomid just before or just after sexual activity. And also extra vitamin D, taurine and Niacin.

Thanks Hurray.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Nas on October 26, 2018, 03:38:57 PM
So if we would take testosterone into consideration when we're talking about POIS. One explanation that I have for this, is perhaps testosterone plays a role in the immune reaction that we suffer from. As you know testosterone is a type of steroid and what doctors usually prescribe for cases of chronic inflammation and auto-immune diseases are chorticosteroids, as they inhibit the immune system through and increase of the production of steroids in the body. Thus, the correlation I'm trying to make here is that perhaps low testosterone plays a role in the hyper reaction we experience in POIS. Thus increasing testosterone could have the same effect as when we take a chotricosteroid drug. I'm not sure about the medical validity of this hypothesis so I would appreciate if anyone can confirm it.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 26, 2018, 04:33:09 PM
So if we would take testosterone into consideration when we're talking about POIS. One explanation that I have for this, is perhaps testosterone plays a role in the immune reaction that we suffer from. As you know testosterone is a type of steroid and what doctors usually prescribe for cases of chronic inflammation and auto-immune diseases are chorticosteroids, as they inhibit the immune system through and increase of the production of steroids in the body. Thus, the correlation I'm trying to make here is that perhaps low testosterone plays a role in the hyper reaction we experience in POIS. Thus increasing testosterone could have the same effect as when we take a chotricosteroid drug. I'm not sure about the medical validity of this hypothesis so I would appreciate if anyone can confirm it.
I don’t think so. Because by using corticosteroids like Prednisone your testosterone level will go down.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7809437

In the medical results topic I saw that a few POIS-patients have low testosterone. And because Demo and Green have benefits from TRT I also want to raise my testosterone level. But I don’t want to use TRT for the rest of my life. So that’s why I use Clomid. Even after I stop with Clomid I will still will able to produce testosterone.

Beside POIS prostatis is my main problem. What kind of men have problems with their prostate? Eldery men. The main reason is that their prostate becomes bigger every year. And it becomes bigger because the testosterone level drops down. So when my testosterone level goes up I hope that I will have less prostatis and UTI. And when I have less prostatis my POIS will also not be so heavy. Because normally I only have 1 day of POIS. But when I am sexually active while my prostate is infected I will be sick for a week.

But I don’t think Clomid will have the same effect as testosterone therapy. Because Demo and Green get the testosterone directly. Clomid only blocks estrogen. So my body will start to produce more testosterone. Some people say that after sexual activity the testosterone level drops ans stays low. At men without POIS your body produces more testosterone after sex. I don’t know it this is true. Anyway I hope that when my testosterone level is higher I will feel beter on non POIS days. And when it also will help me in POIS that would be great.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 26, 2018, 05:07:48 PM
Yes Nas, this exectly.

As you can read about testasterone , it is involwed in meny proceses in men, from spermatogenesis to
antiinflamatory, muscule bulding-musculinity, libido,  anti-anxiety.

"In man, ewrything is about testosterone"

But acording to our resarch data from medical test results, it can be visible that comon patern in
big mayority of poisers is low testosterone and probbly hi estradiol.

So big question is- What is locked receptors in thouse people?

Thie simple ansver to this is hi estrogen, and hi estrogen in brain receptors always keap
pituitary gland low, so no signaling testicles to produce testosterone.


Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 26, 2018, 05:21:21 PM
I found nice link and here explanation on estrogen influce- neurotransmitesrs-
especially serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine

https://www.hotzehwc.com/2017/06/the-brain-and-estrogen-dominance/

Can induce hypothayroism, low gaba, panic atac seizures.


Because estrogen is womans dominance hormone.

Is it posible that in our brains estrogen make all this mees?
Vasodilation in pois and migrains?=estrogen couse? =low T


Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Nas on October 26, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
I don’t think so. Because by using corticosteroids like Prednisone your testosterone level will go down.

True but that's because of the abundance of steroid levels in the blood already, it's similar to when the body starts producing steroids less as you continue taking chorticosteroid medications. Right?
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Nas on October 26, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
I found nice link and here explanation on estrogen influce- neurotransmitesrs-
especially serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine

https://www.hotzehwc.com/2017/06/the-brain-and-estrogen-dominance/

Can induce hypothayroism, low gaba, panic atac seizures.


Because estrogen is womans dominance hormone.

Is it posible that in our brains estrogen make all this mees?
Vasodilation in pois and migrains?=estrogen couse? =low T

If this theory holds true then Clomid should help Vandermolen alot with his brain symptoms. Since it blocks estrogen.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on October 26, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
I don’t know the answer of your question Nas.

Well, I will test it abouth a month. After 4 weeks the testosterone level must already go up. But the full effect is after 3 months.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 27, 2018, 08:05:51 AM
Nas, i can tell you one thing for shoure , is  that low or lower range testasterone in man is not
normal, espesualy if it hawe hi estrogen.

Evan in womans who hawe elewated estrogen then normal, could hawe meny helt isues in long term.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 27, 2018, 10:24:43 AM
My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.


That's great news Vandemolen. I really hope that Clomid can help you with POIS and your prostatitis.

Your POIS doctor sounds like a very helpful and understanding person.

Hurray , thanks for sugestion.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on November 03, 2018, 08:27:32 AM
i did
but before i tried cabergoline i did my bloodwork
so my prolactin was 275 mkME/ml  ref(86-324)
i consider it is high and so after one week of taking just 25mg of cabergoline i did my bloodwork again
and my prolactin became just 56 mkME/ml
so far i have no sideeffects except i can fuck right after 10 minutes past former ejaculation
i believe it helps my pois for about 35-45% the rest is that i eat natural ginger every day at least 5 grams
and two weeks ago i started taking clomid - after clomid i started to feel much more desire but not too much
i believe i steel need to rise my test which was 330 ng/dl ref(250-836) before starting clomid
in several days i will get by free testosterone bloodwork and i'm sure it is still less than 600
cus in about 5 days after starting to take each day 12.5mg of clomid(1/4 of standart tablete) i felt like a Real Man
jeesus it was awesome !
my mood was like a concretesteel hard my diq was as hard as it was never before
unfortunately that state was not for long= it was like a one day wave
so at that time i believe i had my "normal" testo level which i had not for years and developed pois

by the way i found the perfect forum for trt : it is peaktestosterone just google it highly recommended

p.s. english isnt my born language
So I am not the only member who started with Clomid. We almost started at te same day. In the first days my sex drive went up. But now it’s normal. Because I am ill because of Candida and that’s caused by antibiotics. I am curious about your side effects. I have hot flushes. Was it your idea to take Clomid or your doctor’s idea? And if Clomid helped you? I didn’t have sexual activity because being sick. I want to do a test about a month or maybe two months. After a month the testosterone should already be a bit higher. But the full effect is after 3 months. Some men take it for 6 months. But I think I will stop after 3 months. Because also Estriodol will rise.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on November 14, 2018, 09:33:38 AM
I asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. In my latetst blood test I saw that amalyse was too high: 111. It should be below 99. I read a paper were it’s described that people who are using Clomid can get acute pancreatitis. Also since a few weeks my pelvis and my flanks hurt. I think it’s because prostatitis. Because I have candida I stopped with antibiotics. But after a week I felt really bad. Fever and cold legs. So I started antobiotics again, but after a few days I only get more sick. So i don’t want to take any risks and asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. I still believe Clomid can help a bit against POIS and prostatitis. So about a few months when I feel better I want to test it again with my doctor’s permission.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: hurray on November 18, 2018, 04:53:22 PM
I asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. In my latetst blood test I saw that amalyse was too high: 111. It should be below 99. I read a paper were it’s described that people who are using Clomid can get acute pancreatitis. Also since a few weeks my pelvis and my flanks hurt. I think it’s because prostatitis. Because I have candida I stopped with antibiotics. But after a week I felt really bad. Fever and cold legs. So I started antobiotics again, but after a few days I only get more sick. So i don’t want to take any risks and asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. I still believe Clomid can help a bit against POIS and prostatitis. So about a few months when I feel better I want to test it again with my doctor’s permission.

Sorry to hear the Clomid didn't work out for you, Vandemolen. You are quite right not to want to take any risks.

If you do decide to try it again in a few months, it might be worth considering asking your doctor about lowering your initial dosage. I understand you were taking 25mg/day, which seems to be the most common dosage for men. However, some studies suggest a dose of 25mg once every 2 days:

http://www.ajandrology.com/article.asp?issn=1008-682X;year=2016;volume=18;issue=3;spage=357;epage=363;aulast=Ring

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/clomiphene-citrate-effectively-increases-testosterone-in-obese-young-hypogonadal-men-2161-038X-1000155.php?aid=63661

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044663
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on November 18, 2018, 05:16:51 PM
I asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. In my latetst blood test I saw that amalyse was too high: 111. It should be below 99. I read a paper were it’s described that people who are using Clomid can get acute pancreatitis. Also since a few weeks my pelvis and my flanks hurt. I think it’s because prostatitis. Because I have candida I stopped with antibiotics. But after a week I felt really bad. Fever and cold legs. So I started antobiotics again, but after a few days I only get more sick. So i don’t want to take any risks and asked my doctor if I can stop with Clomid. I still believe Clomid can help a bit against POIS and prostatitis. So about a few months when I feel better I want to test it again with my doctor’s permission.

Sorry to hear the Clomid didn't work out for you, Vandemolen. You are quite right not to want to take any risks.

If you do decide to try it again in a few months, it might be worth considering asking your doctor about lowering your initial dosage. I understand you were taking 25mg/day, which seems to be the most common dosage for men. However, some studies suggest a dose of 25mg once every 2 days:

http://www.ajandrology.com/article.asp?issn=1008-682X;year=2016;volume=18;issue=3;spage=357;epage=363;aulast=Ring

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/clomiphene-citrate-effectively-increases-testosterone-in-obese-young-hypogonadal-men-2161-038X-1000155.php?aid=63661

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044663
Yes if give Clomid another try I will take 25 mg 3 times a week for the first month. If the side effects are not too bad I will go to 25 mg everyday or 50 mg 3 times a week. And that for another 2 months. 3 months of Clomid must do the trick. I don’t want to use Androgel. I am afraid that even you use Clomid beside it that when you stop with Androgel the testosterone will drop even more. And it’s not good to mess up with your hormones.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: demografx on November 18, 2018, 05:38:22 PM
All very interesting.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on December 25, 2018, 07:17:43 PM
I used Clomid for 3 weeks. I am researching what the cause of my hives is. Back then I did not read all the side effects. But now I see that Clomid can cause hives. I was also on antibiotics and that can cause hives too. I am also on Amitryptyline in the side effects is also hives written. Maybe it is a combination of those 3 medicines.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on December 31, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
I used Clomid for 3 weeks. I am researching what the cause of my hives is. Back then I did not read all the side effects. But now I see that Clomid can cause hives. I was also on antibiotics and that can cause hives too. I am also on Amitryptyline in the side effects is also hives written. Maybe it is a combination of those 3 medicines.
I am sick for two months now. Maybe it is the Clomid. I can not fall in sleep. And when I do sleep I wake up a few times during the night. Even if I am more than 8 hours in bed when I get out I am tired and feeling cold all day. I read that women get sleep problems by Clomid. I am off Clomid now for more than 6 weeks. I wonder when this side effect will go away. Because it makes me sick. I do not think that I will give Clomid another try.

I am in POIS state but I have not had any sexual activity in 10 weeks. Because of the Clomid maybe my hormones are messed up. After sex a lot of POIS patients can not sleep. The next day we wake up tired and feeling cold. Maybe because of POIS our hormones are also messed up. But the hormone level recovers after a few days. Until you have sex and then the whole starts again. Insomia after sex, wake up tired and feeling cold.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: david on January 17, 2019, 08:13:10 AM
I used Clomid for 3 weeks. I am researching what the cause of my hives is. Back then I did not read all the side effects. But now I see that Clomid can cause hives. I was also on antibiotics and that can cause hives too. I am also on Amitryptyline in the side effects is also hives written. Maybe it is a combination of those 3 medicines.
I am sick for two months now. Maybe it is the Clomid. I can not fall in sleep. And when I do sleep I wake up a few times during the night. Even if I am more than 8 hours in bed when I get out I am tired and feeling cold all day. I read that women get sleep problems by Clomid. I am off Clomid now for more than 6 weeks. I wonder when this side effect will go away. Because it makes me sick. I do not think that I will give Clomid another try.

I am in POIS state but I have not had any sexual activity in 10 weeks. Because of the Clomid maybe my hormones are messed up. After sex a lot of POIS patients can not sleep. The next day we wake up tired and feeling cold. Maybe because of POIS our hormones are also messed up. But the hormone level recovers after a few days. Until you have sex and then the whole starts again. Insomia after sex, wake up tired and feeling cold.


very much probably clomid had its adverse effect:
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Clomid_Risk.aspx
 yesterday i' made a new blood tests
i esspecially didnt apply androgel 35 hours before test but i was on clomid constantly since october 20
so my tests showed no improvement ! i have the same level of T !
and at the same time i got  collateral adverse effects:
1.floaters !!
2.less libido and shorter orgasms

but nethertheless i got  rid of pois

i guess when i started androgel with clomid since 19 november my body was not accustomed to this two substances and i got real boost for my T  level
and the very first in my life i got proper T level
but it was lasting only for one week
 but that was really awesome experience so as i had read at reddit that some guys use clomid for years  and read some clinical trials at pubmed that effect of clomid go stronger with time so i proceed to use clomid and androgel until yesterday

clomid consist of two substances: Enclomiphene and Zuclomiphene
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Clomid_Half_Life.aspx

what we need is the Enclomiphene but not the Zuclomiphene with is really an estrogen receptors agonist = it will work just like the estrogen !!!
also Zu has dramatically long half life  = 14 days ! while En t/2=3 days

so i stopped clomid but i'm still on androgel and hope i will get rid of those nasty sideeffects in about a week or two

also i'm moving to real TRT i just ordered Testosteron cypionat 10ml ....

i can say during my whole life i was truly alive for just one that week when i got my proper T level - that was awesome and there is no way back for me since then
i need that again and i want live like that for as long as i can
so i'm on trt for life :)
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on January 17, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
David, I am happy for you that androgel works for you. But you should know that when you take androgel and other TRT for a few weeks you probably have to take it your whole life. Your body propably can not make testosterone anymore. Maybe ask your doctor to be sure.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: demografx on January 17, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
David, will you be injecting? (That didn’t work for me).
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: david on January 17, 2019, 01:11:57 PM
David, will you be injecting? (That didn’t work for me).

yes i will definitely do it for the sake of true life !
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: david on January 17, 2019, 01:18:15 PM
David, I am happy for you that androgel works for you. But you should know that when you take androgel and other TRT for a few weeks you probably have to take it your whole life. Your body propably can not make testosterone anymore. Maybe ask your doctor to be sure.

i knew that long before i started my jorney

that is why i started to administer clomid to support my own production of T
and it did help
my balls became bigger by 25% at the end of first week i started clomid and my Luteinizing hormone rised by 50%
but clomid as i made sure personally has bad sideeffects also so i stopped clomid

and as you may already know i'm 41 and have 2 kids so i will sacrifice my balls for the better life :)
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: Vandemolen on January 17, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
OK if you already knew it then there is no problem.
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: demografx on January 17, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
David, will you be injecting? (That didn’t work for me).

yes i will definitely do it for the sake of true life !

David, my endocrinologist told me that injections didn’t work for me because the testosterone “spikes” in and out of the body. He said testosterone gel or patches mimic the more even natural flow of the body’s own testosterone throughout the body. He was right, injections failed me but patches worked well. They still do, 10 years later.


Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: david on January 18, 2019, 05:12:11 AM
David, will you be injecting? (That didn’t work for me).

yes i will definitely do it for the sake of true life !

David, my endocrinologist told me that injections didn’t work for me because the testosterone “spikes” in and out of the body. He said testosterone gel or patches mimic the more even natural flow of the body’s own testosterone throughout the body. He was right, injections failed me but patches worked well. They still do, 10 years later.

well Demo i guess you found not the best doctor
please read this and you will understand how to properly use injections to not have testo/estrogen levels roller-coaster and avoid high T aromatization:
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Cypionate_Weekly_Two_Weeks.aspx

as far as i know the best way to inject is 0.1ml(250mg/ml) every week or even 2 times a week subcutaneously
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Best_HRT_SubQ_Cypionate.aspx

doing injections this way will keep your T level almost flat and with very little aromatization so you wont need to use anastrozol
and additional benefit is that subQ injections are much less even not painful at all in comparison to intramuscular

and this:
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Androgel.aspx
i think this is what i got - my T level almost didnt rised or get rised insufficiently with androgel
cuz as you remember i had good t level only for the very first week and then as i can feel it was not so high enough
may be you are luckier then me and it is enough for you to just use regular dose of androgel but for me there is only one way now it is to start real and the most effective trt = test cyp subq injections

and another benefit is that injections are around 10 times cheaper then androgel
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: demografx on January 18, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
well Demo i guess you found not the best doctor
I totally disagree with you. I’m very happy with my choice.

Best wishes to you and your approach. We are all different.

ps - I hate injections :)


Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: david on January 18, 2019, 08:40:05 PM
well Demo i guess you found not the best doctor
I totally disagree with you. I’m very happy with my choice.

Best wishes to you and your approach. We are all different.

ps - I hate injections :)

sorry i'm glad i'm wrong
that is all my bad  experience with doctors in my small town, although we have our own medicine academy here
i'm lucky to meet only proud and at the same time ignorant docs
 even at the very recent appointment doc tried to impose me some useless dropper before trt and at the same time he didnt know clomid helps to increase LH and by that own production of T ...
medicine presented by local docs are no more a hope for cure it is a business only


I am not excited with injections too
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: hurray on March 03, 2019, 07:05:28 AM
Bizarrely, clomiphene is in the news today. The world's number one bridge player has been banned for a year for "doping" with clomiphene.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/47420065
Title: Re: Clomid instead of TRT
Post by: berlin1984 on November 08, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Heh like you took words from my mouth, couse thouse days i traying to resarch
naturall wey on how to incriese LH hormone and FSH.

Please consider investigating Tribulus terrestris (https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3371.msg37418#msg37418) (let's discuss it there if you find out anything or gave it a trial)