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« Reply #240 on: September 12, 2011, 10:23:45 AM »
Yeah, You are right. They are definatley more restrictive to the selection of mg dosages. I went to the the pharmacist and talked to him about the effects, and made sure I got one that was flush. He said that ones that are flush free aren't as good as a vasodialatior and if you can feel the flush, you know in turn that it is working and reacting properly. Ill go to a local drug store and see if I can pick up 150 or 100 mg Niacin. However :P after spending a few bucks on the 500mg it dosent hurt to try. Im going to keep a log book to record how I feel at the time and I'll post the results for everyone (:

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« Reply #241 on: September 12, 2011, 10:25:56 AM »
Just a question as well.. If you take Niacin after O, does it still have an effect, and if so, IS the effect as strong as if you take it before having an orgasm? If anyone has had any experience with this, I would lovee to hear :D

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« Reply #242 on: September 12, 2011, 11:17:04 AM »
Just a question as well.. If you take Niacin after O, does it still have an effect, and if so, IS the effect as strong as if you take it before having an orgasm? If anyone has had any experience with this, I would lovee to hear :D

I have had 4 Orgasms more after taking the niacin:

First: 200 mg Niacin - weak flush- waited 1 hour to orgasm : NO POIS symptoms.
Second: 100mg + 200 mg - Did not feel the flush after the first dose(i ate so much) so decided to jump - moderate flush waited 1 hour: NO POIS symptoms again!!!
Third: 200 mg - weak flush - Had the orgasm a little after the flush: Some POIS symptoms developed, mild brainfog.
Fourth: The next day , and with some POIS, i had another orgasm: 200 mg - intense flush(empty stomach) : NO POIS symptoms, maybe i feel a little tired during the morning, but on the afternoon i was 100% again.

I suggest you to have another orgasm if you already have POIS symptoms (but with the niacin flush). That would wippe of the previous POIS symptoms, it has happened to me twice!!!. Niacin is the right option!! :)

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« Reply #243 on: September 12, 2011, 12:01:23 PM »
(: thats really incrediable :D its amazing that we have found something that can help us all in this struggle (:

Thank you so much Observer for posting your experience :D makes me feel a lot more comfortable :p

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« Reply #244 on: September 13, 2011, 03:10:45 AM »
The skin reaction to semen comes back to "normal" after 6 h after intake of XN.

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« Reply #245 on: September 13, 2011, 07:21:55 AM »
The skin reaction to semen comes back to "normal" after 6 h after intake of XN.
Starsky, according to your results it looks like XN/Niacin works as anti-allergen/anti-histamine drug for preventing POIS-allergy symptoms. But I wonder why other anti-allergen's/anti-histamines seem not have such a strong effect?

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« Reply #246 on: September 13, 2011, 07:06:59 PM »
I think that niacin works by providing the building blocks for histamines. These same building blocks are also used for serotonine and dopamine. We require a lot of histamines because of our POIS, which consumes the building blocks normally used to make the serotonine and dopamine. So we end up with low levels of those two importent components. Thus brain-fog and general myalgia.

The niacin makes sure we have a good supply available.

I think that's what's happening.

« Last Edit: September 14, 2011, 10:08:25 AM by Daveman »
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Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
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« Reply #247 on: September 14, 2011, 07:04:57 AM »
Just a question as well.. If you take Niacin after O, does it still have an effect, and if so, IS the effect as strong as if you take it before having an orgasm? If anyone has had any experience with this, I would lovee to hear :D

I have had 4 Orgasms more after taking the niacin:

First: 200 mg Niacin - weak flush- waited 1 hour to orgasm : NO POIS symptoms.
Second: 100mg + 200 mg - Did not feel the flush after the first dose(i ate so much) so decided to jump - moderate flush waited 1 hour: NO POIS symptoms again!!!
Third: 200 mg - weak flush - Had the orgasm a little after the flush: Some POIS symptoms developed, mild brainfog.
Fourth: The next day , and with some POIS, i had another orgasm: 200 mg - intense flush(empty stomach) : NO POIS symptoms, maybe i feel a little tired during the morning, but on the afternoon i was 100% again.

I suggest you to have another orgasm if you already have POIS symptoms (but with the niacin flush). That would wippe of the previous POIS symptoms, it has happened to me twice!!!. Niacin is the right option!! :)


It is great to hear your continued success with Niacin Observer!

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« Reply #248 on: September 14, 2011, 01:22:06 PM »

It is great to hear your continued success with Niacin Observer!

Thank you very much jivetalk!! I am sure that 200 mg Niacin is the right option, maybe a little less, because with 100 mg Niacin i still got some very minor symptoms during 1-2 days, (still a very big improvement). I am always getting the flush( and an intense one) since i crush the niacin(3 days ago) and i take in the powder form... 100% effective, absolutely no POIS, always flush, no stomach problems... This is wonderful!!!
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« Reply #249 on: September 14, 2011, 02:05:11 PM »

It is great to hear your continued success with Niacin Observer!

Thank you very much jivetalk!! I am sure that 200 mg Niacin is the right option, maybe a little less, because with 100 mg Niacin i still got some very minor symptoms during 1-2 days, (still a very big improvement). I am always getting the flush( and an intense one) since i crush the niacin(3 days ago) and i take in the powder form... 100% effective, absolutely no POIS, always flush, no stomach problems... This is wonderful!!!
Thank you for your report Observer! Your results support the idea that powdered form is better, wonderful.

Victor
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« Reply #250 on: September 14, 2011, 03:10:05 PM »
When you take niacin in powdered form do you just swallow the powder with water like you would with a pill?
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« Reply #251 on: September 14, 2011, 07:16:37 PM »
Yes! im pretty interested in powdered form too! I think itd be alot easier for me to take

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« Reply #252 on: September 14, 2011, 09:14:03 PM »
When you take niacin in powdered form do you just swallow the powder with water like you would with a pill?
Yes, exactly.

Victor
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« Reply #253 on: September 16, 2011, 05:36:05 PM »
When you take niacin in powdered form do you just swallow the powder with water like you would with a pill?

Yes Vincent. I crush the two niacin tablets between two spoons as much as i can. Then you should get the flush more faster and in a more intense way than the flush of non-powdered niacin. I continue to be impressed by the results of Niacin, and i suggest you to combine the use of niacin with less orgasms(This week i have had one orgasm/eyaculation every day and the results have been incredible.), and you will realize the difference. This is the biggest step i have made since i am participating actively on this forum. You should find your dose, taking into consideration that too much niacin could cause damage to your liver!!

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« Reply #254 on: September 16, 2011, 08:45:16 PM »
Hey guys, How long does niacin last in your system to have sex? Also, does anyone know if taking niacin with cialis?

My cognition is extremely bad, I hope I am not the only one with a a low libido. It has deminished with POIS and I hardly get aroused anymore.

Does anyone else feel like an orgasm can shift your cognition...Not meaning better or worse cuz its always worse but I mean different functions shifting ? Maybe this time you can focus better than last or maybe this time you can move to a beat better than last. And it remains like this till the next orgasm shifts it again. Overall for worse though thats how I got this bad.

My issue is constant.

I am seeing a NeuroPsychiatrist at one of the best hospitals in the world in October. I will be letting everyone know how that goes.

Thanks,

Jon.
My cognitive symptoms started suddenly during an orgasm when I was 16. I then developed my POIS and cognitive/physical symptoms became very severe. Had to leave work and school. This year I had 60% success with regimen. Recently the symptoms have gotten worse again. Let's help each other.

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« Reply #255 on: September 18, 2011, 07:02:09 AM »
As I understand it, niacin is good for about 5 hrs. That is you can have an orgasm up to 5 hours after taking it. I don't know, but I would guess that the effects would be reduced in the later hours of taking it though.

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Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #256 on: September 18, 2011, 07:55:46 AM »
I don't know Daveman. I looked up a study on some antihistamines (of course may work different than XN, but just for some comparison).

 http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?dv08157.  When you look at the bottom of page 362 they are most effective between 3 - 6 hours (that's when they reduce wheal size most). So they need some time to fully kick in. This might be true for XN as well. Would be very interesting to know these data of XN to wheal size as well.
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« Reply #257 on: September 18, 2011, 12:44:33 PM »
Hi all, an update on my experiences with niacin.  When I first took the niacin (about a month and a half ago), I did so with 300 mg, and had a flush that lasted about one hour.  The next day, my POIS was reduced to about 15-20%.  So that was promising. 

But, I thought that a one-hour flush seemed a little bit long.  So, in subsequent attempts, I only took 100 mg or 200 mg.  This still produced a full flush, but one that didn't last as long.  However, with these, I found that my POIS-reduction was not as significant.  So that made me think that maybe the niacin wasn't working for me.

But then, on Friday night, I decided to try 300 mg again.  This time, I had an O about 2 hours after taking the niacin, and then the next day, my POIS was reduced to about 15-20% again. 

This makes me think that perhaps simply 'experiencing the flush' may not be the sole factor to consider -- one can achieve the flush with lower doses (100 mg/200 mg), but it may be that that the higher (300 mg) dose may be doing other things as well.  (E.g., perhaps, using up greater stores of histamine, so that one has a less-strong histamine reaction in response to O.) 

So, I think this could be an important thing to consider: 'achieving a flush vs. not achieving a flush' is not the only thing going on, and so we should not focus just on that.  Rather, a flush could simply be an outward sign of something else that the niacin is doing, and while a lower dose may still achieve the flush, it may not be as effective at doing that 'something else.' 

And, it could be the case that if that 'something else' is something like using histamine stores (or something similar), it could be that the niacin could still have that same effect, even if one built up a tolerance to the flush-effect.  In this case, it might be possible that taking niacin every day could be helpful for POIS, even if that lessened the effect of the flush in particular.

What do others think? 
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« Reply #258 on: September 18, 2011, 01:47:59 PM »
Guthrie, I agree that with niacin the more intense the flush the greater the POIS symptom reduction seems to be. I'm not sure whether building a resistance to the flush would lessen the effect on POIS or not, but I doubt you'd want to take 200 to 300mg of niacin daily due to possible liver damage. I'm not sure what the safe amount is to take daily.
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« Reply #259 on: September 18, 2011, 02:31:46 PM »
I doubt you'd want to take 200 to 300mg of niacin daily due to possible liver damage. I'm not sure what the safe amount is to take daily.

Actually, I don't think this is necessarily true.  Obviously, it is important to be cautious in taking any supplement.  However, in pretty much all the different sources I've looked at, the 'liver-risky' dosage is often listed at 3 g (= 3000 mg) per day.  The lowest number that I've seen anywhere for a 'liver-risky' dosage is 1 g (= 1000 mg) per day.  On top of that, it is specifically the slow-release form of niacin that has the most risks for the liver.  As such, from what I've read, it seems that taking up to 1000 mg per day of the 'regular' (i.e. 'flushing') variety of niacin does not appear to be dangerous for the liver.  And so 300 mg per day would certainly seem to fall well within this non-risk range.

If I'm wrong about this, please correct me -- we shouldn't gloss over risks, but we also should avoid over-stating them.
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