The Gluten/malabsobtion theory

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Hello to all of you,

I've been investigated the gluten lead recently and I think there is something :

-First of all, there is different testimony of people flaming that there are pretty much POIS free since they eliminate the gluten from their diet

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1240.0

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=387.msg10629#msg10629


Seth recently :

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.19475

-Some people have been diagnosed with gluten allergy(kurtosis, urano, etc)

-If you read about gluten intolerance/sensitivity, you find out that there is tons of potential symptoms ; it's due to the fact that (i) gluten triggers autoimmune reaction with the typical symptoms of it and that it can cause malabsorption and deficiency(of amino acid/vitamins/minerals) that lead to various symptoms and can explain the fatigue and the cognitive impairments.

-One the promising "cure" some year ago was multivitamin program ; helped a lot ; It's not surprising if we have deficiency and potentially lead to digestion problem.

-Some people I've talked with doesn't get weight easily and I'have read in POIS forum that they have greasy/sticky faeces and digestion problem : it's typical if gluten intolerance is involved ; we don't digest fat.

I believe that Orgasm/sexual activity just trigger/worsen an underlining problem ; It's maybe a mistake to focus on O.

Nevertheless, there is a link between potentially digestion and Orgasm...and this could be the Vagus nerve(object of the ongoing POIS research).

Personally I will verify that lead and going to a strict non gluten diet for at least 2 month

good luck fellow poiser's

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That is interesting too ; the part I like the most is :

"interesting fact that her problems were not constant, indicating that basically her brain was intact but something seemed to be detrimentally influencing her from time to time, causing her to have these significant issues with respect to how her brain functioned. In considering what factors change day to day in terms of someone's exposure, certainly diet is at the top of the list"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-david-perlmutter-md/gluten-impacts-the-brain_b_785901.html

[b_jim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbWqDHuTA90

Interesting part at  2 min and 2"30 : autoimmunes and crossed-allergies/ crossed sensivities.
Pollen ~ gluten

It make me think to POisers with diarrheas after ejaculation.

[LAPOISSE]

Yep, definitly ; I see you've been active on the gluten/digestion lead ; ) The more I read on gluten, the most I'm decided to get it off my diet.

How long did you tried on your last attempt ? Who Else ever tried ?

I frequently have some skin problem on my hands; it come and goes back and I had no idea what it was...reading about Coeliac, I found out that dermatitis herpetiforma was a pretty specify symptoms and it's exactly what I have (without the lesion)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dermatitis_Herpetiforme_5.jpg

[Clycos]

Very interesting post, I also would be really happy to hear fellow POISERS? experiences to pure gluten-free diets!

[jnicolau]

Personally I will verify that lead and going to a strict non gluten diet for at least 2 month

good luck fellow poiser's

I had huge problems gaining weight in the past and I only recovered from it making Paleo diet. But I don't do a normal Paleo diet, I've adjusted the diet many times. The pattern here was to get rid of most bad quality grains and starches. I've tested hundreds of foods one by one to know which ones disturbed my digestion. I don't think the problem to be only with the gluten, I think that it goes much further than that, maybe I was eating too many grains on the overall (and the worst ones) and too little of the good fats. So, one of the problems is that I couldn't eat almost any fat, olive oil was the only one. Then I moved to another country (Ireland) and in here I discovered that I was able to eat 2 things that always reacted very badly: milk and butter. But even the butter had to be from one only source. Now this is the interesting story: the reason that I can eat such diary foods in here is because the cows are mostly grass-fed instead of being grain-fed. And Ireland is one of the few countries that has so many grass. And this butter is the only one totally grass-fed. I never thought that what the animals are eating could have such impact on my health, but that is what my body is saying The same happens with the eggs - I can feel immediately the difference between eggs from chickens that are Free Range or chickens that only eat corn. 
So now that I eat lots of fat, starting in the breakfast (lots of butter, eggs, MCT oil) I recovered a lot of my health and I can see a really huge improvement in my sex drive. I can have Sex 3 times a week (or more if I wanted, even more than one time a day) without such big impact on my health. My skin changed and got smoother. My speech also improved and I feel stronger, more energy. I don't think that I'm cured but my life really got a lot easier.
The bottom line here is that I believe this to be due to the quality of the fat that I'm eating. As I said, if I try to eat any bad quality of fat I or grains get sick immediately.

Regards

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Hey Jnicolau,

I like your story very much, If the problem was gluten, you could'nt digest any bad fat ; when your small intestine is screw up because of gluten, there is many other thing that you cannot digest(even is there are  not causing the problem) top one of this things being lactose.So if you solve the grain/gluten problem first, you solve the diary problem ; This is described everywhere.

the question is do you eat any gluten right now ? What do you call "bad quality grain" , do you eat any "good quality grain" ; I understand the difference you mentioned  for fat but not for grain.

Anybody got it's  IgA anti-transglutaminase tested ?

[LAPOISSE]

On other interesting paper on gluten intolerance and mental issues ; I can't find something better to explain the non constancy of the symptoms ; the timing pattern of crash/recovery match to a food related problem ; I've tried to find an other disease linked to "temporary cognitive disorder" for years and malabosorption due to gluten/grain problem is the first that match that much. Digestion is the base of everything,all the other problem(hormonal, neurotransmitter related, auto immune) are in the upper layer. Difference of symptoms between us could be explained by different deficiency(we all have different genetic background is our own enzymatic weakness and strength).

Nevetheless, i still don't see the link with orgasm...Could be an underlining deficiency that cause an abnormal reaction to O..Chemistry of orgasm is a very subtle balance between notably different hormones/neurotramsitors(dopamine/prolactine/oxitocine etc) ; An preexistant imbalance could lead to a crash(maybe of dopamine)

http://www.celiaccentral.org/mental-health/

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An other one with identified gluten problem :

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.10460;wap2
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.10545;wap2

He is french, I'm waiting for news from him to see how he is doing ; apparently it can take years to take gluten out of the nervous system. I remember habibou had serious D vit deficiency which is an identified associated deficiency with gluten

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To feed in the debates ; must read :

http://chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/gluten-brain_connection_.html

[b_jim]

http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Gluten+Intolerance+-+with+notes+on+vitamin+D

Strong hints of interaction/association of gluten, low vitamin D, low vitamin k2, and low Magnesium

[LegatoMan]

I have eliminated gluten before. It never helped my symptoms one bit!

I do suffer quite a bit with digestion issues, but I've found that it is meat, fish, dairy, and anything cooked that sets me off. So it's only a raw vegan diet that lets me poop normal, haha 

[LAPOISSE]

Hey Legatoman,

thanks for you contribution ; How long have you been on gluten free diet ? Was it strict ? Did you eat milk during this time ?

[LegatoMan]

Hey Legatoman,

thanks for you contribution ; How long have you been on gluten free diet ? Was it strict ? Did you eat milk during this time ?

I think I cut out gluten for about two months. Yes, I did consume dairy during that time.

[LAPOISSE]

You could have gluten problem, you wouldn't not know as 2 month is probably to short to be sure of anything ; i've read in celiac forum that some people need 6 month to get rid of their brain fog/anxiety/etc problem ; Beside as I understand if your small intestin is screwed because of gluten, you wouldn't heal because of casein(very difficult digest with a screwed small intestine) which would potentially delay malabsoption issue.

I'll get tested for celiac ; important to know and pretty cheap even if non celiac intolerant is also possible.

[Daveman]

Tell me, is it easy to distinguish gluten from carbs.

For instance bread is gluten and carbs.

What about potatoes.... only carbs?

Those that eliminate glutens, eat carbs without problems?

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Gluten is a protein basically present in all wheat ans product derived from wheat(pretty much all  industrial food) ; there is also gluten in some other grains.

So potatoes is fine regarding gluten

Carbs are basically sugar ; there is much in pasta, and bread...not that much in potatoes

Yes guys with gluten problem have no problems with carbs

[LegatoMan]

Well, whaddya know... I think I'm going to give "gluten free" another shot.

But doing something a extreme as avoiding all gluten is very hard to do if you don't even feel better the FIRST SIX MONTHS you do it 

[LAPOISSE]

Well, whaddya know... I think I'm going to give "gluten free" another shot.

But doing something a extreme as avoiding all gluten is very hard to do if you don't even feel better the FIRST SIX MONTHS you do it 

I know, that's one of the big problems I have too when trying a long-term cure that takes more than a few months to work. Another thing is that I sometimes get confused if a certain food has gluten or not, and if I'm in a hurry I just eat whatever I feel like (http://fromriversedge.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Cartman.jpg).

If someone is unsure if a certain food has gluten they can check a list from places such as the one at http://www.glutenfreeliving.com/nutrition/the-basic-diet/.

Good luck no-gluteners! I might just have to give this another shot too...eventually.

It could also be much quicker to get reliefs ; especially regarding fatigue and digestion problem.

What I'll do to try confirm the theory is take as a sups what is supposed to be depleted du to malabsoption ( B12/zinc/iron/D vit/Kvit/essential amino acid)
There is also a chance that some of us are celiac ; in this case you just have to be tested for it (EMA - anti-endomysial/TTG - anti-tissue transglutaminase/DGP - Deamidated Gliadin Peptide) ; Could be a quicker way(at least two Poisers in the forum are positive to it)

About the  gluten fee diet, it's much easier than I though ; i just eat no gluten bread today...that taste like bread...: unexpected ; )...

[caveeater]

I've been off gluten for a while and it has helped me feel much better! I felt drugged and foggy when I used to eat it but not anymore.

I also avoid most carbs and high fibre foods now as I feel worse when I eat them. I suspect I have some sort of overgrowth like SIBO, or possibly Candida, that was stealing all the nutrients from my food!

Since I quite carbs in January, I got my Vitamin D test results back and they had returned to normal. Before January however, they were too low. So the low carb diet has definitely helped me assimilate nutrients better.