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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2014, 01:20:47 AM »
I  have the feeling gluten reduce my magnesium absorbtion. I stopped gluten since 1 month and I have a real reduction of fasciculation symptom. Placebo ?

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2014, 08:21:26 AM »
I've been off gluten for a while and it has helped me feel much better! I felt drugged and foggy when I used to eat it but not anymore.

I also avoid most carbs and high fibre foods now as I feel worse when I eat them. I suspect I have some sort of overgrowth like SIBO, or possibly Candida, that was stealing all the nutrients from my food!

Since I quite carbs in January, I got my Vitamin D test results back and they had returned to normal. Before January however, they were too low. So the low carb diet has definitely helped me assimilate nutrients better.


my vitamin D is very low ..... is this bad ......could this contribute in POIS pls guide
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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2014, 02:40:43 AM »
My body fat percentage is < 5%  :-[
I need 5 kilos more.

http://leos0.chez-alice.fr/graisse.html

Even with gluten free diet my weight can't increase.


Zinc :

For the moment, the gluten free diet is a failure for me. I can't say my Pois symptoms are reduced and I lost weight.  I feel my general energy is too low. I need to increase carbs or I will stop it next days or next weeks.

Anyway I have a little hope with zinc. I have taken several times zinc supplementation. But there is a possibility zinc is not well absorbed cause of gluten. It seems lot of celiac sufferers may have zinc deficiency.

EDIT : source this pdf

Zinc is a super cofactor linked to lot of things : dopamine, melatonin, adhd, fatty acids , insuline, acn?, vitamin D, sperm, testosterone...

There is a last point I have found very very interesting !
I have big problems with saccharose (white sugar). Saccharose clearly give me diarrheas especially during the hours following ejaculation. Suppresion of sugar is the best thing I have found to reduce my Pois last 6 years. I'm not alone, at least 10-15 sufferers have the same problem.

Zinc is linked to saccharase activity !
study on chickens : zinc supplement increases saccharase activity and improves absorbtion.
study on rats same effect and role of zinc on differents factors (glycemia, hormones)




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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014, 04:38:15 AM »
I?ve been gluten-free for 17 days. So far it doesn?t seem to be helping my POIS (though I haven?t tested with orgasm, only with some stimulation). It does seem to be changing my digestion though. I had fatty/sticky stools for a long time (requiring lots of wipes with toilet paper  afterward (sorry to be graphic). After just 3 or 4 days of gluten free that issue had gone - just one wipe, maybe two, infact I almost didn?t need any). So something changed. I am also finding it easier to get up in the morning in general. However, since its well into Spring and the sunrises are getting progressively earlier that could also be a contributing.

I do think there is something in these malabsorption of minerals theories. A hair test showed I was at the very low end in several minerals. Like b_jim I have been exploring zinc and magnesium for a while. I had a bout of low energy for a couple of months, possibly after contracting giardia during  some remote travelling. I tried a few things but magnesium was the only thing that seemed to bring my energy back up. I?m not sure if its an issue for POIS but I do think at some point I wasn?t absorbing enough magnesium. Zinc definitely seems to give my sex drive a slight boost (or at least brings back ?morning wood? which I hadn?t had for a while). Perhaps the zinc  could be slightly increasing testosterone I don?t know - thats pure speculation.

Its early days. I plan to continue gluten-free for a while longer. At some point I?ll stop, go back to a normal diet and try to notice any differences.

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2014, 04:14:25 PM »
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After just 3 or 4 days of gluten free that issue had gone - just one wipe, maybe two, infact I almost didn?t need any). So something changed.

Agree.  :)
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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 05:51:04 AM »
Hey Guys,

Please don't make conclusion that fast ; If we have a malabsorption problem it will take at least a month to provide benefits ; first your digestion will improve, then your small intestine will slowly heal..and then you will start reabsorbing minerals/vit/amino acid that was deficient which could lead to reliefs with cognitive/fatigue/etc symptoms ; it could take up to 6 month.

Frankly after 17 days as well, I dont see a big difference but my digestion is better and symptoms after O are probably less intense ; My problem is I know crave for sugar and milk which I believe have a direct effect on my digestion.

I believe that if we have a digestion problem we should - for a while - be as much gentle as possible with our digestive system meaning eating only vegetable and meat at lunch and a veggie meal at dinner ; I'll stay away as much as possible from diary and sugar for a while.

Regarding supps and especially Zinc, I've had a year ago an amazing reduction of my symptoms with Zinc; I took 60mg of Zinc per day ; If we are deficient, recommended daily dose does't apply ; but we need to take care of copper/zinc/iron balance

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2014, 03:49:49 PM »
I think we are close. I will buy zinc next days. Mellirova is right : something has changed, I saw exactly the same thing.
For the fist time of my life, i really saw the huge difference of energy when my weight is 63,....to 59. Below 60 I can't work very well and I feel depressed. I need more fats, proteins and good carbs. I'm more and more confident.

edit : good energy today.
 Eat, eat, eat, 5 times a day. A lot of proteins, lot of (good) carbs and lot of fats.  I have zinc gluconate 15mg for 30 days. I hope it will help.

edit 2 : Hmmm. It will not be so easy to improve Pois. After a week of zinc gluconate and 5-6 weeks without gluten, I don't feel a real improvement on my Pois.


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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2014, 02:09:03 AM »
Update on my experience :

After 5 weeks without gluten, so say it frankly, no change at all ; even my digestion is now back to what to was before.

I had to compensate the lack of carbs(pasts bread) by sugar and diary product as I was craving for them.A lot of diary = diarrhea ; sugar probably contribute to it either.

I still believe that we have a malabsoborbtion problem, it's too obvious, our body and brain runs out of something , but it's maybe not gluten or not gluten only that cause it even if its way to fast to have this conclusion(small intestine can take months to heal).

I'll continu the experience and will try to stay out of milk and sugar so basicly go paleo diet

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2014, 04:11:59 AM »
Still on gluten free diet too + zinc gluconate. No miracle but some positive effect like intestine perfect works. The last time I had an orgasm, I had no symptoms. I worked 24 hours after in normal state. I ate a lot of fats (meat, sausage, olive oil). Im' trying to gain weight, without succes for the moment.  For a non-celiac person, anti-gliadin in blood are reduce after 6 months of gluten free diet (I imagine this is the time to rebuild intestine structure). So, we should finish 2014 before have a definitive opinion.
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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2014, 12:11:15 PM »
Thank you so much Lapoisse & b_jim

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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 01:47:03 PM »
Thanks guys, keep us posted with your latest results. . Gluten free diet is someting I am really considering for the near future

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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2014, 11:04:21 PM »
it's too obvious, our body and brain runs out of something

I totally agree that it feels like the body/brain runs out of something. The malabsorption problem is interesting to think about. Assuming malabsorption is the problem, I just hope someone finds out a good way to fix it that doesn't involve any pseudo science like hair analysis.

It would be awesome if we didn't have to undergo a permanent diet change too. I know it might sound superficial, but I really enjoy eating certain foods. If I were with some friends watching a basketball game or something, and they were eating yummy chicken wings or chip tacos, and I had to chow down on a salad, that would be bizarre, and I'd be sad & jealousy slightly of their party-food eating frenzy. Changing my diet permanently is a big deal to me!

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2014, 02:35:01 PM »
I'm more and more confident about gluten. No more pains, 0 diarrheas and other things.


About what Lapoisse wrote on the tns forum :

Serotonin and most of neurotransmitters are synthetized ... in the intestine. intestine = the 2nd brain
So we need a good working intestine. Gluten may be a culprit.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 03:16:03 PM »
Having invested in an expensive blood analysis test for food intolerances recently, that showed I have a major intolerance to Cow's milk and Goats milk, with less severe intolerances to Soya Milk and Wheat. I have NO intolerance to Gluten.

I am being disciplined and am on a 12 week elimination of these substances.

Am noticing some improvements now after 4 weeks and I will update in another four weeks, for those of you interested in the malabsorption and gut theories.

As I am unfortunately still in the mindset of avoidance of O, due to the negative impacts on working, I will be testing that later.

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2014, 11:13:00 AM »
I'm close to the end of my zinc glucoante supplementation. It's a mistake, zinc don't help my Pois.
Anyway I still have a good opinion about gluten free diet because my intestine works perfectly and stools are different. Maybe fats absorbtion is improved.

So I hava a new idea : gluten free diet + DHA supplementation. DHA is an ingredient of semen and I still convinced something in salmon reduce Pois.

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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2014, 12:16:55 PM »
Hey guys, hows it going with your gluten diets? I?m really considering of eliminating gluten for about 6 months and see how my body reacts to it!

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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2014, 01:14:35 PM »
After 2 months, good for intestine problems. But nothing for Pois.

My hope is to repair Intestinal villus after 6 months and then gain weight and have a good absorbtion of something involved in Pois. Like fats.
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2014, 02:03:19 AM »
Thanks for update b_jim.

Am trying also a 3 month elimination of some dairy (cow's milk, goat's milk, sheep's milk, soya milk, butter, cheese) and also wheat.

This is because they came up in a food intolerances blood test as items to which I have significant intolerances. These tests are sold and positioned as validated, but I don't know 100 per cent about their scientific nature. People can research by googling Igg food intolerance or Igg blood test. Like anything, please be sure it is a credible and qualified organisation that you deal with. Unfortunately the better ones do have a price. Cheaper ones like muscle testing for intolerances may be less accurate or reliable.

There is also a clear distinction between food allergy and food intolerance, as intolerances are very hard to identify, because something that you have eaten two or three days earlier, could be having a knock on effect now, but it's a challenge to know what the offending items actually are. It may be a benefit of a valid blood test.

I am 10 weeks into this complete elimination, and am noticing some positive improvements in general health, but not testing pois yet !

Note, some people can be ok (as I am) with gluten, but can be intolerant to wheat.

Also, please note, for anyone who is eliminating something from your diet, make sure you get nutritional advice, as you may need to replace the eliminated item, with something else that contains the right nutrients, vitamins or minerals.

PS. I am also trying to slow down my eating pattern and how stressed I am when I eat, as I think the absorption issue of nutrients is also relevant.

I will update on this after another month or so in regard to impact on POIS.
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Re: The Gluten/malabsobtion theory
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2014, 03:16:14 AM »
For the gluten, I made the choice to try 6 months for 2 reaons : Seth testimony which appears too much optimistic for my Pois and my underweight problem.
But I have few hopes it will cure Pois.

About milk and other allergen :
I don't think about food like allergen or intestine problem (yeast). Dispite sugar and gluten clearly give me diarrheas.

I prefer to think food about its influence on hormonal/nervous systems.
Sugar is an important co-factor of my Pois. After ejaculation I'm very sensible to carbs especially sugar. If I take a lots, I have hot flashes 30 minutes after meals. And my Pois will be stronger and longer.
About milk, it seems it never influence my Pois. But I just find an article from 2013 :
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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2014, 05:19:39 PM »
Could a hidden allergy be causing your migraines?

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2013/could-a-hidden-allergy-be-causing-your-migraines/

"Do you get headaches often? Do they interfere with your life? Repeated headaches and migraines have a significant effect on quality-of-life and productivity at the personal level. Collectively migraines and other associated symptoms cost the US economy over ten billion dollars per year [1], with an estimated 10% to 15% of the population, mostly women, suffering from repeated migraines [2]. If you?ve ever tried to see a doctor about repeated migraines, you?ll know that the condition is poorly understood. Medications are available, but prevention is another matter entirely since it is extremely difficult to determine the primary underlying causes in any given individual. Stress levels, hormones, sleep patterns, and even the weather are listed as culprits [3]. Obviously, all of these factors can be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to control without making major life-style changes [3]. On the other hand, specific food triggers are rarely mentioned, despite the fact that 50% of migraine sufferers avoid specific foods [2]. Arguably, eliminating a few foods from your diet could potentially be much easier to manage, but scientists are only just beginning to find concrete evidence for the role of food in migraines, and as a result the approach is not standard practice with most doctors.

In fact, in western medicine, dietary migraine triggers are a controversial topic. A few foods like wine and aged cheese are known to contain specific chemical components that can trigger blood vessel dilation or constriction, and these foods commonly trigger headaches in many individuals who don?t otherwise suffer from migraines. Foods high in fat can also trigger headaches [4], but, to many migraine sufferers, supposedly healthy foods such as wheat (gluten), dairy and bananas, are also problems. However, there is currently no accepted consensus among scientists on how so many innocuous foods could induce migraines.

Scientists have long wondered whether some form of food allergy could be the root of the problem. These and other negative reactions to food, such as lactose intolerance, are not uncommon. Approximately 20% of the population in industrialized nations is affected by some form of food intolerance, and 1-4% of adults have food allergies [5]. Traditional food allergies are, in many cases, hard to miss. Onset of the allergic reaction is quite rapid after a food allergen exposure, which can even occur through skin contact. The reaction usually affects the airways, the skin, or the cardiovascular system, and in severe cases, it can cause anaphylaxis and death.  These immediate reactions involve recognition of the allergen by an IgE antibody, subsequent activation of the immune system, and inflammation. In fact, in allergy tests, doctors specifically look for elevated levels of IgE antibodies in response to a supposed allergen [8]. On the other hand, consistent reactions to food that involve migraines or some general digestive problems, are not usually diagnosed as being allergic reactions and are often considered psychosomatic, or are labeled as Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) when the symptoms are mostly related to digestion [6]. IBS, like repeated migraines, is a health condition that is defined by a set of symptoms as opposed to an understood root cause, and interestingly, IBS sufferers are statistically more likely to suffer from migraines too [7].

However, research is providing increasing evidence that there can be immune responses to food that don?t work through the same mechanisms as standard allergies, and therefore don?t have the same symptoms, and don?t get picked up by standard allergy tests. Scientists are now discovering that immune responses can also be initiated in predisposed individuals when improperly digested food allergens pass through the intestinal lining along with properly digested nutrients. The intestinal immune system, which is geared towards recognizing ingested bacteria, can start to recognize these food fragments too. The onset of symptoms is delayed, ranging from anywhere between 1-120 hours, which is why it can be extremely difficult for anyone with distressing symptoms to realize that a specific food is triggering them. On top of that, if the primary problem is headaches and not a gastrointestinal problem, it isn?t obvious that a food could be triggering them. It is important to note, however, that while symptoms such as migraines, chronic fatigue, and behavioral changes are considered to be potential manifestations of this type of reaction to food, it has yet to be firmly established [5]."

"Our current ability to clinically test for this type of allergy is seriously limited. While the allergen recognition mechanism can involve IgE antibodies, which many tests can detect, clinical studies suggest that these are produced locally in the intestines, and therefore don?t reach detectable levels in the serum or the skin. Instead, the few available diagnostic tests look for the presence of food-specific IgG antibodies in the patient?s blood. IgG antibodies don?t trigger allergic reactions like IgE antibodies do; they are only indicators that the immune system might be recognizing the food. Their presence is actually linked to helping the immune system tolerate the food. Thus, as the presence of IgG antibodies is only an indirect indicator that the immune system might be activated, and the link is not fully understood, the validity of these diagnostic tests is questioned [9]. In addition, when tested for IgG production in response to a variety of foods, individuals without any noticeable symptoms may test positive to a few foods, but the average number of foods is less than in individuals who do have negative reactions to foods [10]. However, it is also hard to know for sure whether food intolerances always cause noticeable symptoms. In any case, the absence of IgG antibodies should signify no immune recognition of the food whatsoever.

Despite the lack of well-established diagnostic tests, and solid mechanistic data to support the link between migraines and food intolerance, some studies have shown that migraine symptoms are alleviated when test subjects avoid the foods to which they have developed IgG antibodies [7,10]. In these studies, researchers first checked the test subjects? blood for the presence of food-specific IgG antibodies to over one hundred foods. Based on the results of these initial blood tests, the subjects were given an elimination diet, in which all the foods towards which they had IgG antibodies were removed, and a challenge diet, which encouraged the consumption of these same foods. The subjects were then asked to record the number, duration, and intensity of migraines that they had during each diet phase. In order to rule out the placebo effect, the subjects were not told which diet was the elimination diet, and which one was the challenge diet. With this approach, Carlos Arroyave Hernandez and his colleagues found that migraine sufferers had a significant reduction in the frequency and intensity of their migraines on the elimination diet compared to their regular diet or their challenge diet [10]. A second study by a different group looked at patients who suffered both from migraines and IBS, and also found that symptoms from both disorders were alleviated with the elimination diet [7]. While this data might sound quite conclusive, there is some question about whether researchers tested enough people to fully validate the results; a similar study did not get the same positive effect [3]. More research will have to be done, but the inherent difficulty with all these studies is that the test subjects are in charge of their diets. While the researchers did ask the subjects to keep food diaries, they did not know whether they were accurate, and they had no way of fully determining the level of compliance.

So what?s the take-home message? Migraine-causing reactions to food are not fully understood from a scientific perspective, and are hard to test for conclusively. Self-diagnosis is also difficult since the symptoms of food intolerance can take up to a few days to appear. It can be very hard to pinpoint the problem without actually looking for it, particularly since foods such as wheat and dairy, which many North Americans eat on a daily basis, are also some of the most common foods to which people are intolerant. Researchers and doctors are only just beginning to look at food intolerance seriously. A better understanding of this phenomenon may someday lead to increased public awareness, more reliable diagnostic tests, and even improved treatments for migraines and many other ailments."