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Sudden remission, then POIS came back (possible DHT link)
« on: June 15, 2022, 05:35:47 AM »
Hi all,
Back in May I had two weeks of sudden remission of any POIS symtoms.
I don't remember doing anything differently (apart from visitng church and praying and planning to donate sperm for a clinic). In fact out of those two weeks I had orgasms almost every day without any problem. It was AMAZING! :)

For the first time in my life I felt like a normal 100% man. I even imagined how now that POIS is no more I'd be able to maybe find a GF at last and start my own family... I know I would be a great dad... if it wasn't for POIS reducing me to a crying loser.

Women at work and in public seemed to feel it as I attracted them like I've never did before. Too bad it didn't last for long, these last few days have been horrible, I'm literally feeling like crying all the time and women in public transport and at the office are no longer acting as interested/nice. :'( It's weird how the same women would act all interested when I'm fine and have confidence and would avoid me and treat me like a creep when I'm having a POIS depression/anxiety/lack of energy symptoms. It's like I stop producing pheromones or something.

I don't know if karma exists and POIS is a punishement for past-life sins or what but maybe going to the church and planning to donate semen for couples with fertility problems was what caused all of this? I then gave up on this idea and the following day after O my POIS was back full-swing. I think maybe it's worth to get some good karma by really going forward with such a donation, what do you think? Have you ever had sudden remissions like that?

Edit: I think it was boosting my Dihydrotestosterone aka DHT that did the trick! Let me share some subliminals I did it with (believe me it works!). Test them and tell me if you notice any changes please:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCtD2l2fPjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eratqNhyig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eY1W4wG3LA&list=PL0Q7ybtom7BdMDmEzSyckQhnTDTTpG6GF&index=32
« Last Edit: July 09, 2022, 09:03:48 AM by yesyesyes »

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2022, 08:35:44 PM »
People react a lot to our mental and emotional states, and they often do so in an unconscious manner.  Especially people that are sensitive, and women tend to be more sensitive to emotions than men.  So I am not surprised that people react differently to you when in POIS and when not in POIS.
When I was in full POIS my spouse used to run away from me and even was scared of my intensity and negativity and emotional instability. 

Try to find something that, at least, lowers a bit the emotional effect of your POIS.

If you think there is a psychological aspect to your POIS, you could consult a professional psychotherapist and see if you have some guilt or else related to sex, if it turns out that finding an altruist motivation for ejaculation spares you from POIS. 

Personally, before creating my pre-pack, I never had a remission, just maybe a few occasions when POIS had been very mild and hard to notice, but this may have occurred no more than once a year.

You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2022, 07:36:47 AM »
Hi all,
Back in May I had two weeks of sudden remission of any POIS symtoms.
I don't remember doing anything differently (apart from visitng church and praying and planning to donate sperm for a clinic). In fact out of those two weeks I had orgasms almost every day without any problem. It was AMAZING! :)

For the first time in my life I felt like a normal 100% man. I even imagined how now that POIS is no more I'd be able to maybe find a GF at last and start my own family... I know I would be a great dad... if it wasn't for POIS reducing me to a crying loser.

Women at work and in public seemed to feel it as I attracted them like I've never did before. Too bad it didn't last for long, these last few days have been horrible, I'm literally feeling like crying all the time and women in public transport and at the office are no longer acting as interested/nice. :'( It's weird how the same women would act all interested when I'm fine and have confidence and would avoid me and treat me like a creep when I'm having a POIS depression/anxiety/lack of energy symptoms. It's like I stop producing pheromones or something.

I don't know if karma exists and POIS is a punishement for past-life sins or what but maybe going to the church and planning to donate semen for couples with fertility problems was what caused all of this? I then gave up on this idea and the following day after O my POIS was back full-swing. I think maybe it's worth to get some good karma by really going forward with such a donation, what do you think? Have you ever had sudden remissions like that?

I want to suggest that visitng church might be the reason for being POIS free. I know it sounds weird, it's my observation

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2022, 08:09:53 AM »
OK after that I had another remission, Od but felt OK the next day. But before that several days I wanted to craw under a rock and d*e. Felt so bad. Weirdly in such a condition women stop noticing me at all and even avoid me (I guess I stop producing pheromones or start producing repelling ones due to POIS?). They certainly know. When I feel horny and confident suddenly everywhere I go I get looks and those at work act nicer than usual and they even try to make their voices more feminine. ;D The only changes I've noticed is I took a beta-blocker for several months but stopped as it raises cortisol and mine's already high but maybe it reduced my FT4 thyroid hormone as it's known to do that (I have Grave's disease). I also put my hand over my gut/immune system imagining it healing and some of the worse pains there really dissipate (placebo I guess). I also took lots of Humic acid this year, and it's an immune modulator and also Evening Primrose Oil... it could be anything that works...

Oh how I hope to God that one day I will get a permanent remission if at all possible because I want to start a family and have children. I'm 33 so right at the age when I'm starting to think that procreation is the best thing in life and the most important one. ;) I don't want my children to be "Daddy has one of his crises again" lol, I want to feel powerful, healthy and manly enough to protect them and visit their activities, not stay at home crying as I have one of my POIS blues that reduces me to a total crying mess no one wants to be around. :'(

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2022, 12:52:20 PM »
Hi all,
Back in May I had two weeks of sudden remission of any POIS symtoms.
I don't remember doing anything differently (apart from visitng church and praying and planning to donate sperm for a clinic). In fact out of those two weeks I had orgasms almost every day without any problem. It was AMAZING! :)

For the first time in my life I felt like a normal 100% man. I even imagined how now that POIS is no more I'd be able to maybe find a GF at last and start my own family... I know I would be a great dad... if it wasn't for POIS reducing me to a crying loser.

Women at work and in public seemed to feel it as I attracted them like I've never did before. Too bad it didn't last for long, these last few days have been horrible, I'm literally feeling like crying all the time and women in public transport and at the office are no longer acting as interested/nice. :'( It's weird how the same women would act all interested when I'm fine and have confidence and would avoid me and treat me like a creep when I'm having a POIS depression/anxiety/lack of energy symptoms. It's like I stop producing pheromones or something.

I don't know if karma exists and POIS is a punishement for past-life sins or what but maybe going to the church and planning to donate semen for couples with fertility problems was what caused all of this? I then gave up on this idea and the following day after O my POIS was back full-swing. I think maybe it's worth to get some good karma by really going forward with such a donation, what do you think? Have you ever had sudden remissions like that?

I have a theory about that.

When a person masturbates, they often find it a bad thing to do and are ashamed of it. Also, they try to prevent making noises, so they tense up.

Now, in this tensed-up state, they have an orgasm. An orgasm is a reward signal. So basically they are telling themselves: "it is good to feel ashamed and tensed up".

Then, in real life, they become tensed up. More so when they see attractive women (which are part of the association).

Their voice stops working (also tensed up from trying to avoid making noise during masturbation).

So ...

when you decided to donate sperm, you somehow convinced yourself that it is now good to masturbate (how else would you donate sperm)?

This removed all tension.

And that's my theory, I hope it helps.  :)
« Last Edit: June 21, 2022, 12:54:46 PM by dizzy »
Male, INTJ. POIS symptoms: red eyes, ear-pain, anxiety, speech problems, pale/ugly skin, stiff neck, double chin, tinnitus, light sensitivity. POIS even after stimulation without O.

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2022, 04:00:01 AM »
Dizzy : I never felt shame when masturbating BUT I have always felt this massive adrenaline burst. I believe we hacked our bodies to use adrenaline for arousal instead of the normal way when you like a woman - more oxytocine way where you have these pseudo like "love" feelings for the person. I believe there is a way to turn it around. Time will tell

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2022, 10:36:23 PM »
YesYesYes,

I read your post.   Here are my thoughts:

I feel in POIS we have inability to recover from orgasm and whatever effects it has on our bodies (including inflammation).  One effect of an O is to temporarily lower testosterone.  Causes a dip, and the body also use lots of enzymes to replenish sperm. These enzymes are used to manufacture neurotransmitters and a host of other things.  Somehow we are not generating energy in such a way that we recover well.    So the feelings some may have of feeling less masculine after O are most likely because the body is taking longer to bring hormones, neurotransmitters, etc. Back up.  .  Also when we O most males loose energy. Lots of energy.

My first thought is to figure out your O cycle.  How many days it takes to recover after just one O.  When I O again inside my cycle the POIS has a cumulative and compounding effect.  But If I O after the cycle time, then it is not as bad.   

People are able to perceive the state of another persons state of being in multiple ways.  One is just intuitive.  When we are energetic and strong our auras show it and people react to it.  Even just by proximity, without us saying anything, or them even looking.  We give off a harmonious and strong vibe.  When we are  outside of our O cycle, our bodies have recovered  and work better, thus we are more balanced and feel more masculine (testosterone is back).  So first for me,  is to not wear myself  out by Oing sequentially, that is a huge NO NO for me, and to  try not to O inside my recovery cycle.  I feel that we get weaker when that happens because we have not recovered and are compounding the situation. 

Might want to try church again.  Religious practices tend to restore harmony and  rebalance our being.  If you go on remission again from attending church or visiting, or whatever initially worked for you,  do not O every day.  Space thing out, give your body a chance to use its new found strength to maybe heal more.  I think we have an inflammatory reaction that affects our CNS which  in turn affects our whole system.  I would try what calms you.  If putting your hand in your stomach and imagining healing seemed to have done something positive, then try more.  When we put attention in a part of our body we focus our energy and can affect our physiology positively.  Naturally one does this calmly.  In anger would not work. 

 I wish emphasize that managing O frequency (not necessarily going abstinent) helps tremendously.   No need to go to extremes.  Life is all about balance.  If the violin string is too tight or too loose it does not play as beautifully. 

Calm prayer might work for you.  Some people use meditation.  The fact that visiting a church helped you is telling.  We are not alone in this universe, we are loved tenderly with great compassion, and reaching to that ever present Being can have positive effect on us.

I do no believe we have this due to Karma.  But service can give us purpose and fuel for spiritual merit and progress. 

When I have POIS effects I try calming and relaxing activities and avoid hard mental or physical work.  I cycle in 3 days.  So I try to O on Friday night to avoid having a really bad work week.

Also getting good nourishment after O is key.  Not junk food.  I find I crave protein after O. So I provide it.

I like to feel this universe is made of a sea of loving energy that we are all submerged in.  It permeates the space between our atoms.  It is love that engulfs us, adores us, and has compassion, and we can call upon it. 

Mr.  Raba.



Simultaneous onset of CFS and POIS since Feb 1993. Married since 1989.

Helped by Immunocal (I explained how to take in previous posts).  Some relief on day one and day two.  It affects neurotransmitters.

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2022, 09:54:08 AM »
I just remembered - during my remission all I did was listen to T and DHT boosting subliminal videos and exercising more which also boosts them. My T was already above average when I checked it so it must be DHT. Thus, I think my POIS is caused by low DHT, hence my "natural" timidity and why I felt so confident in May. ;) Heck, I got hard by seeing a nude body for the first time since first starting PMO!

Now if only I could find a way to boost my DHT/increase the 5a reductase enzyme or/and increase my adregenic receptors in a safe way basically my POIS will get cured! It's strange but on high DHT days I didn't feel any inflamation and my refractory period was shorter.

I say safe because my prostate for some reason gets enlarged when DHT gets high unfortunately, so I have to take saw palmeto to lower DHT but that makes my POIS symptoms worse. It's a catch 22 really and I hate that!

You bet I miss those 2 weeks in May when I (trigger warning!) could O once every day with no issues! OMG, I finally felt like a real man, like an unbroken one. DHT basically boosts male confidence anyway. And most strangely, my pheromones changed as women acted more submissive and feminine around me, those who usually don't notice me showed flirting and interest in me.  :)

I had to stop the videos as I even had prostate leakage when taking a number 2, sorry for TMI. The other day I started the videos again and voila, today when my intestines are full and I need to go number 2 I feel like I need to cum, my prostate has gotten enlarged again.

Please, if anyone knows how to increase your androgenic receptors and DHT everywhere but in the prostate, tell me! I'm at a loss! I want to feel and act like a man, be able to O almost every day with no issues whatsoever, like I did in May again! I'm starting to think the prostate is a burden as an organ because they say even fish oil can be bad for it. Idk why it's that sensitive to DHT boosts. Do you think one can get their prostate safely removed or shrink it in a way?

The other issue is I sometimes take Metformin as I have IR and feel dizzy after eating sometimes. Metformin lowers Testosterone so I lose benefits from those videos when I take it but I live in a culture where you're force fed bread and carbs. But it's not just carbs, even greasy proteine can cause me to feel bad after eating.

TL;DR Boosting DHT = great for reducing my POIS. In fact I could enjoy daily Os for 1-2 weeks with no repercussions that I remember! But it's bad for my prostate and I have to take Metformin which lowers T (and I guess DHT as well). Once I started taking Saw Palmeto that lowers DHT POIS symtoms came back.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2022, 10:07:05 AM by yesyesyes »

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back (possible DHT link)
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2022, 11:09:37 PM »
Have you looked into berberine and/or DIM-diindolylmethane?  How bout phosphatidylserine? 

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back (possible DHT link)
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2022, 12:31:50 PM »
Hi yesyesyes!

I don't believe that current medicinal knowledge can grant your wish about specific tissue inhibition. However there are other methods to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and 5alpha reductase inhibitors are not the only possibility. Estrogen receptor beta agonists as functional analogs of 3beta-adiol are especially indicated. If you are interested check the next link.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=4061.0
(ctrl+f: BPH)

Also the following review is practically a treatment guide for POISers. I pointed out some noteworthy information that may also put some of ozmoses' recommendations in context.

Excessive 5alpha-reductase (5AR) activity promotes benign prostatic hypertrophy and male pattern baldness; however, under activity of this enzyme can promote prostate cancer since inhibition of 5alpha-DHT production will also inhibit production of its protective metabolite, 3beta-adiol.
Excessive aromatization, in addition to its "feminizing" effects, may increase prostate cancer risk since estradiol can be metabolized to estrone, which can then be converted to either protective 2-hydroxyestrone (2-OH) or Estriol (E3) OR into potentially pro-carcinogenic 16alpha-OH estrone. On the other hand, insufficient aromatization not only promotes bone loss in men since some 16alpha-OH is required for bone remodeling, but has recently been shown to promote prostate cancer by inhibiting the production of 3beta-adiol.
ERbeta is involved in several biological functions in the prostate, including regulation of cell proliferation, apoptosis and differentiation. 3beta-adiol, as an alternative ligand to estradiol of ERbeta (the concentration of 3beta-adiol in prostate is 100-fold higher than that of estradiol), mediates the majority of these effects. ERbeta expression has been revealed to be greatly decreased in malignant prostate tissue, reaching nearly undetectable levels with tumor progression in more than 75% of cases. Reintroduction of ERbeta triggers apoptosis, and decreases proliferation and invasiveness of malignant cells. In addition, prostate hyperplasia has also been described in mice lacking ERbeta, and 3beta-adiol has been shown to more potently induce expression of ERbeta in the rat prostate than estradiol or 5alpha-DHT.
3beta-adiol has lately also been revealed to be a key means through which the neuroendocrine response to stress is modulated in males. 3beta-adiol suppresses excessive hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis activation, which would otherwise promote depression and neurodegeneration.
In sum, the research suggests that testosterone replacement promotes normalization of 5alpha-reductase activity, 5alpha-DHT levels and its metabolism to 3beta-adiol.
Elevated total estrogens in men may be due to excessive testosterone supplementation (?75 mg/day) or excessive aromatase activity, which is nearly always associated with insulin resistance.
Progesterone is an aromatase inhibitor, so may be useful for treating benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).
Dysbiosis:
Conjugated estrogens can be re-activated in the intestines and returned to circulation via the action of beta-glucuronidase enzymes, which are produced by E. coli, Clostridum and Bacteroides; thus intestinal dysbiosis may increase a man’s circulating levels of active estrogens. This would be seen as a decrease in the testosterone : estradiol ratio.
Supplementation with Calcium D-glucarate supports proper elimination of estrogen by inhibiting beta-glucuronidase, an enzyme produced by colonic microflora (e.g., E.coli) that hydrolyzes glucuronide conjugates, thus returning estrogen into circulation.
Imbalanced 2/16alpha ratio:
While conversion of some estrone to 16alpha is required for bone health, high levels of 16alpha, which promote prostate cancer, are caused by obesity, hypothyroidism, pesticides, alcohol and cimetidine.
Estrone's conversion to (cancer preventive) 2-OH estrone is promoted by indole-3-carbinol (I3C), 3.3- diindoylmethane (DIM), flax, soy, omega-3 fatty acids and exercise.
Levels of 16a-OH E1 can also be lowered by increasing its conversion to estriol. This conversion is stimulated by iodine and iodide. Also estriol stimulates ERbeta and has anti-proliferative effects in estrogen sensitive prostatic tissues.

5alpha-Reductase Inhibitors:
- Finasteride (Proscar, Propecia)
- Dutasteride (Avodart)
- Serenoa repens (Saw palmetto)
- Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA)
- Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA)
- Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA),
- Alpha-linoleic acid (ALA)
- Oleic acid (olive oil)
- Progesterone
- Green tea extract
- Zinc
- Heavy metals, e.g., cadmium and arsenic (not a recommendation!)

5alpha-Reductase Agonists:
- DHEA
- Free testosterone
- Exercise

Aromatase inhibition:
- vitamin D
- chromium
- biotin
- berberine
- Myomin
- Chrysin
- Progesterone

https://lmreview.com/bio-identical-hormone-replacement-selecting-the-right-hormone-tests-for-your-male-patient/
The cause is probably the senescence of sexual organs and resultant inducible SASP, which also acts as a kind of non-diabetic metabolic syndrome.

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Re: Sudden remission, then POIS came back (possible DHT link)
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2022, 11:26:26 PM »
Have you looked into berberine and/or DIM-diindolylmethane?  How bout phosphatidylserine?
Ther is somehting about DHT. It is in spanish but maybe has english subtitles

https://youtu.be/zTO6pZjItRM