Sleep tracking app shows difference in sleep pattern

[JayDeeSee]

Just as the title says. Ive used a sleep tracking app on and off over the years and have really started to pay attention to differences in sleep patterns while in and out of POIS state.

While out of POIS the app shows a normal sleep pattern, meaning I go down into deep sleep then up to REM sleep and then up to light sleep, and this pattern repeats 3-4 times through the night. While in POIS I go into deep sleep and stay there all night. It seems like I completely skip over REM sleep. I've tested this out several times and it's always the same. I can't help but wonder if this disturbance in sleep patterns is a contributor of a lot of our physical symptoms. What would cause such a noticeable difference in sleep patterns?

Anybody else have any experience with these apps?

[Quantum]

Just as the title says. Ive used a sleep tracking app on and off over the years and have really started to pay attention to differences in sleep patterns while in and out of POIS state.

While out of POIS the app shows a normal sleep pattern, meaning I go down into deep sleep then up to REM sleep and then up to being nearly awake, and this pattern repeats 3-4 times through the night. While in POIS I go into deep sleep and stay there all night. It seems like I completely skip over REM sleep. I've tested this out several times and it's always the same. I can't help but wonder if this disturbance in sleep patterns is a contributor of a lot of our physical symptoms. What would cause such a noticeable difference in sleep patterns?

Anybody else have any experience with these apps?

Very interesting observation, JayDeeSee.  I hope we will receive more feedback from those who will test their sleep patterns, in and out of POIS.

[ThisType]

This in an area I've poked at a small amount from a different angle and your findings above are really interesting.

- choline helps you get into REM sleep (see the section on choline below)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3026477/

- a number of us find choline supplementation is needed to improve pois (e.g our intake or uptake isn't sufficient for some reason otherwise)

So if you aren't going into REM sleep, maybe REM sleep is not being triggered because something like choline is lacking?

[JayDeeSee]

This in an area I've poked at a small amount from a different angle and your findings above are really interesting.

- choline helps you get into REM sleep (see the section on choline below)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3026477/

- a number of us find choline supplementation is needed to improve pois (e.g our intake or uptake isn't sufficient for some reason otherwise)

So if you aren't going into REM sleep, maybe REM sleep is not being triggered because something like choline is lacking?

This is a suspicion I've been having too. I just started experimenting with Alpha-GPC and acetyl L Carnitine. I will report back after a while.

I just cannot shake the idea that there's something wrong with our neurotransmitters and that is the core of this curse.

[marrtintintin]

Hey man, i feel the same about the neurotransmitters

I have realised through this post on X https://x.com/noahryanco/status/1915127032486506804?s=61&t=a7rzZyUTo-DGJc9NXL_BiA
that it is actually also a problem in the nervous system and how we breathe. The psoas and the diaphragm are connected. There’s actually a guy who supposedly had pois who now claims that through proper deep breathing every day, making sure he is breathing fully, he is pois free. I can send you his message.
I’ve realised i have a trauma and whenever i have a conflict/discussion, my nervous system can't handle it. And i guess that an ejaculation is also super intense dor the nervous system, so it gets stuck in sympathetic.
I have been observing that when in pois i don’t have deep sleep and my frontal lobe feels frozen. So, i am trying to fix my sleep.

[Papika]

Great Observation. I have the same feeling. Although I don't have exact data, in my memory, I don't dream after sleeping after O. (Dreaming occurs during REM phase).