Author Topic: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy  (Read 35392 times)

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #200 on: June 08, 2021, 04:56:25 PM »
I think there is so much mystery in our Immune system the way it behaves as it does.  While I love nanna1's theory and certain parts of it are baseline critical to our health, though I feel we have defects in most of our immune cells to begin with, so I question (in my head) whether boosting innate immune cells vs adaptive immune cells (Th1, Th2, Th17 etc) or even vice versa, is in our body's interest.  I do am increasingly appreciating nanna1's suggestion of Tri-Methyl-Glycine and SamE, I think they play a vital role in our health state - in my head I call it as 'frozen' state. 

That said, my experience with Moderna vaccine has been mixed/positive - I am still debating.  It jolted me like I have never experienced my entire life.  I had GI symptoms from hell for one day.  It certainly indicated to me that something extremely weird is going on in my tummie or intestines.  And now I am currently fighting a fungal or psoriasis infection.  Dermatologist thought its Tinea, though I think it could be psoriasis.  Anyone else experienced it?

getting vaccinated by such a vaccine can increase the innate immunity of POISers ( at least those who think they have an innate immunity deficiency) so that there is a theoretical possibility for improving the transient immune deficiency condition during ejaculation?...
« Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 09:07:10 PM by swell »
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Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #201 on: June 09, 2021, 01:35:24 AM »
And now I am currently fighting a fungal or psoriasis infection.  Dermatologist thought its Tinea, though I think it could be psoriasis.  Anyone else experienced it?

Not sure if relevant, but I gradually got a large number of red, itchy, scaly skin lesions at one point a while back when I changed my diet to incorporate a bunch of prebiotic (not probiotic) foods among other things. The lesions were misdiagnosed as a fungal infection, then a bacterial infection. In the end it seems like it was just some sort of inflammation with no infection trigger. They've gradually been receding over the last year as I've been trying out various measures, and are almost gone now.

Not saying you don't have a fungal infection, but thought I'd let you know my experience. :) Good luck!

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #202 on: June 19, 2021, 06:21:25 PM »
Few things:
a) My lesion is indeed Fungi - Tinea (Ring-worm) confirmed.  And I think it is expanding even.
b) Ironically vaccination should have benefited Fungi species.
c) Scary part, assuming the research is credible:
"Although the concentrations of IFN-α were below the detection limit of the assay for most of the stimuli, we observed a significant reduction in the production if IFN-α secreted ...This may hamper the initial innate immune response against the virus, as defects in TLR7 have been shown to result in and increased susceptibility".

So if we have a TLR7 mutation, then essentially we can be sitting ducks to catch a virus (and not mount an effective 1st line response)?

Action item (at least for those that are vaccinated with Pfizer/Moderna, I think): Find which gene(s) codes for TLR7 or Type1 IFN's, then see if we have a mutation(s).

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1
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Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #203 on: November 17, 2021, 10:41:29 AM »
@Nanna1 Thank you so much for this miracle of a stack!

I tried everything and this is the only stack that's given me 100% relief.

I wrote about my experience here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3793.msg42904#msg42904.

But for those having problems with sourcing the products.

Here's the stack I ran:

1. Take the following 15-20 mins before food, 3X day. You will cycle this stack 6 days on, 4 days off, for 5 months:
 1. QOL Immuno Complex: https://qualityoflife.net/products/immuno-complex
-If not available, then use the following (this is what I used):
   1. AHCC (1 cap): https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Kinoko-Platinum-AHCC-Supplement/dp/B00HG0YZMG
   2. Zinc (1 cap): https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Supports-Antioxidant-Protection/dp/B0001VKDDM/
   3. Vitamin D3 (1 cap of 5000 IU): Any brand does.
   4. Andrographis (1 cap): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Andrographis-Extract-450mg-Capsules/dp/B09B2QJBDS/
   5. Copper gluconate (1 cap empty stomach): https://www.amazon.com/GNC-Copper-100-Vegetarian-Tablets/dp/B084KJNQHZ/
 2. Vitamin C (2 caps): https://www.amazon.com/DACHA-Nutrition-Natural-Liposomal-Vitamin/dp/B07DR13XSX
 3. Beta-glucan (2 scoops - 1g): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Glucan-Powder-Grams-Servings/dp/B07YCT9CZB/
 4. Folate: < 200mcg (1X, every OTHER day): https://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Best-Active-Quatrefolic-Non-GMO/dp/B005CD33GI

2. Take 5g Vitamin C IV over 4 days. I spent over $350 for all 4 injections from a local IV therapy near me. I had to split the 4 Vitamin C IVs over 2 weeks (M, W). Take 1 cap copper 3 hrs prior on an empty stomach before IV.

3. Take pre-pack 90 minutes before orgasm. I orgasmed once a week:
   1. Caffeine (1-2 caps): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Caffeine-Pills-Serving-Capsules/dp/B01MY5CW7S
   2. Citrulline Malate (1 scoop): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-L-Citrulline-Malate-Powder-Grams/dp/B00N1A2JM8/
   3. Alpha GPC (2 caps): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Alpha-300mg-Veggie-Capsules/dp/B076XNXLR2
   4. L-Theanine (2 caps): https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Pure-L-Theanine-Powder-Grams/dp/B01AAVGK70/
   5. NALT (1 cap): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079NQ1XXW

In total, I spent $725 for this stack for a 5 month period. It's the best $725 I spent in my life.
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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #204 on: November 27, 2021, 11:03:28 AM »
Thank Nana1 and others who are helping!

I really want to try the full process but I'm struggling to find and understand all the stuff that I need to take.
I'm leaving in Belgium, does some one by any chance know a place to order immuno complex?

Also I have some question about my pois : First when I'm taking a shower( hot or cold) I'm getting sick right after(not during the shower but when I'm drying my self) it's kinda the same effect I'm having when I'm sick from pois but a bit less stronger and it last 2 ord 3 days insteed or 5 or 6 days. I had Pois for like 4 or 5 years now and I never had problem with shower but it's started about 8 months ago. As you can imagine it's very ennoying not to take shower without getting sick...

I also have the same problem when I 'm eating brocoli, I know it's weird but as soon as I'm eating brocoli (even just a little ) I'm getting instantly sick (I think it's a immune reaction, but I'm really not a specialist).

I read all the post and I tried to understand your theory, I didn't understand too  well (just the basic) but does my problem with shower and brocoli can have a link with your theory!

Anyway thank you again Nana1 and congratulations to have find a way to heal your pois! And thank you other people who are helping as well and good luck to everyone who will try this method!

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #205 on: November 27, 2021, 03:05:03 PM »
Hi Hakira117

I also have the shower triggered pois.  Also shaving the face or head gives me symptoms which are more worse than those caused by pois.  The skin mast cell activation mostly is the cause and this is very difficult to manage than pois, which atleast can be prevented by abstinence.
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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #206 on: November 28, 2021, 06:06:26 AM »
Hi aswinpras06

Yes my solution is to do the same as I do with pois : abstinence, so I only taking a shower every 3 week or month, ofc I'm washing important part as much as I can but if I'm having a full shower I will get sick for few days, maybe it's sound  disgusting for some of you but I think that if you had the same symptoms of pois after taking a shower or a bath you will do the same.

Fortunately I'm a freelancer and I don't need to meet people or even talk to other people to do my job, so as result I'm not or very rarely going outside anymore, that plus the depression that I'm having because of this sickness make me stay locked at home more and more(wich doesn't help my depression for sure. Any way I still try to stay possitive and will do my best to try to cure my illness or at least make it more sustainable.
This kind of post help a lot to stay positive!


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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #207 on: November 28, 2021, 01:07:10 PM »
Thanks Hakira117

You are only one apart from me having shower or bath causing pois like symptoms. A headbath will cause me chest congestion,sinus pain and bad digestion for a week. Very very difficult problem I have tried so many remedies but nothing works.  Now with a failed lung and bedridden condition at age 44 I feel very sad that after taking bed bath, just wiping my body with warm water and soap also causes problem but much milder than shower or bath.

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #208 on: December 02, 2021, 11:02:53 PM »
Thanks Hakira117

You are only one apart from me having shower or bath causing pois like symptoms. A headbath will cause me chest congestion,sinus pain and bad digestion for a week. Very very difficult problem I have tried so many remedies but nothing works.  Now with a failed lung and bedridden condition at age 44 I feel very sad that after taking bed bath, just wiping my body with warm water and soap also causes problem but much milder than shower or bath.

Hi aswin & Hakira :)

I too have experienced difficulties with POIS symptoms following showers. My own POIS-like symptoms are triggered when I wash my hair with hot/cold water. My solution was to avoid getting my hair wet until the end of the shower, and then only using luke-warm water. Our friendly mod demografx had a similar issue, which he found some relief from by not using high-pressure water on his head, if I remember correctly.

POIS and showers is a topic that has come up several times over the years, you can have a look at our previous discussions by using this search:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=site%3Apoiscenter.com+shower

Here's a thread that got several replies that mentions mine and Demo's issues:

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2209.0

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #209 on: December 03, 2021, 12:12:59 AM »

…Our friendly mod demografx had a similar issue, which he found some relief from by not using high-pressure water on his head, if I remember correctly.


I thought I would reward myself after “cautious showering” for at least a year. So, the other day I threw out all my “rules” and simply hot-showered ‘my brains out’. At length.

I paid for that DEARLY with terrible symptoms for the next 2 days.
:( :(
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Transiently Induced Immune Deficiency and Therapy
« Reply #210 on: December 03, 2021, 05:38:06 AM »
Thanks Hurray.  I didn't see that thread.