Colm's 28 Month Trial with Vagus Nerve Stimulation

[demografx]

...an interesting question would be: "Could we have these ‘Good’ O’s [such as with Observer’s and others’ good niacin results - Demo] if we control our vagus nerve?"

COLM? Can anyone else venture a guess?

[demografx]

COLM, the question has come up: why raise $3,000 when there are tVNS devices available at 1/10th the cost? My impression is that the higher price might help us zero in better on more accurate ***POIS-specific settings***. If that is true in your opinion, can you please help elaborate? (I don’t understand at all how “settings” work).

Thank you,
Demo

[demografx]

ps - I do understand that we would need to hire a technician to help us find the ideal tVNS “POIS settings”. That would be part of the funding to explore.

[demografx]

Just to explain my tVNS thinking a little more, I am not even remotely considering that we rush into this therapy exploration. This forum already committed our own hard-earned, significant funds ($30,000 was subsequently refunded) to explore this, with inconclusive results. But the tVNS-for-POIS hypothesis was formulated by one of the most brilliant minds in Orgasm Science, and vetted favorably by NORD’s large & stellar MAC (Scientific & Medical Advisory Committee):
https://tinyurl.com/y86fwt4t
so I would hate to see it entirely abandoned without some further exploration. And we have seen some possibly positive signs, albeit anecdotally and not scientifically. I see absolutely no harm. Extensive trial to date shows only “minor side effects”. But caution suggests that perhaps we need medical supervision? e.g., Professor Amarenco, (or an experienced tVNS therapist)  plus our own MD primary care provider.

[pharayema]

ps - I do understand that we would need to hire a technician to help us find the ideal tVNS “POIS settings”. That would be part of the funding to explore.

i've been instructed by Professor Amarenco in Paris how to use the Tens Eco 2 to therapy my POIS.

what other information do you need for?

Merci bien,
pharayema

[demografx]

Professor Amarenco’s assistance is WONDERFUL!

Perhaps he can also help with the NEMOS device, which has even more settings than the TENS machine?

pharayema, please note I made an edit/addition of Professor Amarenco’s potential further involvement to my post from yesterday (above).

Thank you to all who are interested and have continued this path of exploration!

I think that this dual path (UNL/NORD Research + possible NEMOS trial continuation) is exciting!

I also encourage all other carefully MD-supervised potentially beneficial exploratory tests: niacin, TRT, fenugreek,
Animus-solution-related-implications, etc. !

[demografx]

NEMOS tVNS device

[pharayema]

Professor Pierre Amarenco, MD
Paris, France
https://tinyurl.com/y22fjx5u

I can confirm you IT IS the venerable Professor Amarenco ;-)

[pharayema]

Professor Amarenco’s assistance is WONDERFUL!

Perhaps he can also help with the NEMOS device, which has even more settings than the TENS machine?

pharayema, please note I made an edit/addition of Professor Amarenco’s potential further involvement to my post from yesterday (above).

Thank you to all who are interested and have continued this path of exploration!

I think that this dual path (UNL/NORD Research + possible NEMOS trial continuation) is exciting!

I also encourage all other carefully MD-supervised potentially beneficial exploratory tests: niacin, TRT, fenugreek,
Animus-solution-related-implications, etc. !

Why do you think the nemos device ist better than the tens eco2?

Thx. ;-)

[demografx]

You are correct.

We *don’t* know if it is better. Yet.

But I would like our forum to find out!

At this time, I only know that it has many fine-tuned possible settings. Since POIS is such an *unknown* in relation to tVNS, I would like us to see as many device choices as is reasonably possible within our time & budget constraints.

NEMOS is the unit of choice of laboratories which are at the forefront of scientifically dedicated research on orgasm and other medical disorders worldwide.

If it is *not* better, we will find out. At one time it would have cost us $30,000 in sophisticated lab studies. Now, $3,000 will tell us if it is “the best”. In a slower and less sophisticated manner.

But you’re right, pharayema, we do not know yet if it is better.

Thanks, pharayema, to you and COLM for your “leadership role” in continuing this line of tVNS exploration! We do not yet have the $3,000 to spend, so your TENS eco2, and COLM’s Nervana devices, and other similar tVNS units, are what we can afford. Today.

[demografx]

I can confirm to you that IT IS the venerable Professor Amarenco ;-)

Thank you, pharayema, for confirming the photograph!
Best,
Demo

[lw]

Vagus nerve is connected to IBS.
Please, read this.
https://pearceonearth.com/how-i-cured-my-irritable-bowel-syndrome/
I have started gargling/gagging routine and I'm noticing changes already.

[fernab]

Yes, it's connected to IBS... and to inmune system inflammatory moduation.....  And of course, hormonal system....

[demografx]

Interesting, lw. Dr K. who hypothesized a tVNS-for-POIS solution, based much of his theory on how much the “gut” is involved in POIS.

[demografx]

Yes, it's connected to IBS... and to inmune system inflammatory moduation.....  And of course, hormonal system....

I agree. That leaves IBS correlation as only a partial POIS explanation.

[COLM_2]

...an interesting question would be: "Could we have these ‘Good’ O’s [such as with Observer’s and others’ good niacin results - Demo] if we control our vagus nerve?"

COLM? Can anyone else venture a guess?

Hi Demo,

In answer to observer's thoughtful question, and your request for me to respond, I am not an expert on all tVNS devices, nor do I know the potential for what a specifically tailored tVNS device could potentially do. That is if it was addressing post O cascading symptoms, or targeting the markers for various POIS types.

It is a big question. For me, using the general tVNS device for a long time has certainly helped in the symptoms I experienced previously, post orgasm, as well as with the other benefits seen. It has not prevented those symptoms completely. Also, this for me was a cumulative effect of working on my general health and as I keep calling it the DISease / homeostasis effect, that in my experience is a component of some chronic conditions/syndromes like POIS. 

Other individuals like Pharayema seem to be having some (tVNS) positive effect, but his use of a specific tVNS targeted tens product under his knowledgeable french doctor's care, may not be long enough in duration for us to jump to specific conclusions on a targeted tVNS yet, but it is interesting.

We have nothing scientifically proven to work on here, but of course we do have much that some good people have done here, and also the hope that Dr. K saw it (Vagal dystonia theory) worth investigating.

I will write some further thoughts on the tVNS possibility to the mods soon.
Regards,
Colm

[demografx]

MANY THANKS, COLM!
Demo

[pharayema]

Hello,

I've received following information for the tens eco2: Following your request, we inform you that we deliver anywhere in the world (delivery times are increased depending on the destination + shipping).
In order to answer your question regarding a quotation, please tell us the details of the order and the country of destination.

Is someone interested in this device?
Please tell me if you want further information or directly acquire the tens.

I can tell you that in my case after 8 weeks of use I feel a clear improvement of my symptoms including brain fog and nervousness in general.

I hope also you understand my poor english. ;-)

Many thanks,
Pharayema :-)

[demografx]

pharayema, very interesting. Thank you for posting.

[demografx]

Nas, this tVNS thread is another reason (main reason?) my curiosity was re-awakened. Recently, as you correctly indicated.