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« : August 25, 2018, 06:21:04 AM »

I know there are a lot of topics about Candida. I know POIS and Candida are two different things. But what if an ejaculation triggers Candida? After an O. a lot of us have bowel problems. My stoma h makes sounds like when you are very hungry. So because it’s late and because I already had my daily portion of fruit I eat a bar of chocolate. And you know Candida likes sugar. One synptom of Candida is feeling cold. But it’s also a symptom for POIS and for an UTI. So when I am feeling cold for a few days and my scrotum hurts I will take antibiotics. But with the antibiotics I am helping the Candida. But in the first week the pain int he scrotum and the cold goes away so the antibiotics did it’s work. After two weeks of antibiotics the Candida hits in. I can see it beacause I get acne on my arms, chest and back. And even without sexual activity I get the symptoms of a bladder infection. I saw that Candida also causes UTI. So I am in a vicious circle. You can say: get rid of the antibiotics. But the pain really gets worse. I can bare the pain for 1 or 2 weeks, but not longer.

My theory is: what if something after an O. triggers Candida? The things that help against POIS are also being used against Candida. Like garlic and Niacin.

Just a thought.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #1 : August 25, 2018, 07:25:55 AM »

In my opinion POIS makes you temporarily more susceptible for candida. The reason I say this: Look at file Muon 2-1, 2-2 and 2-3. Interferon gamma which is important for battling Candida species goes down after orgasm (orgasm between 2-1 and 2-2). At the same time IL-17 drops down which is important for host (mucosal) defense against candida (it plays also an important role in neutrophil-mediated inflammation but that's another story).

So my take on it is that when you orgasm you temporarily drop your host defense against candida and your tools to battle it at that time window becomes impaired. You are giving Candida and probably other opportunistic strains an opportunity to infect you by POIS. This has been measured after desensitzation and wonder if those values are low for a longer time window prior to that treatment. I think so because my candida was more frequent and more aggressive prior to that (especially the inside of my mouth). I can also feel that I'm more susceptible to candida/fungal infection when I'm in POIS, especially at the feet where it is harder to contain during relatively longer and more frequent POIS episodes.

Btw Candida is able to downregulate IL-17 by altering tryptophan metabolism. My brother has low IL-17 and an abnormal tryptophan level. http://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2010/07/12/jimmunol.1000756.short
Perhaps it's also of interest to measure different subsets of IL-17 or measuring IL-17 and tryptophan both vs time.

Oral trush and IL-17:
"In previous work, we found the cytokine interleukin-17 (IL-17), a protein involved in immune regulation, must be present to prevent the development of thrush,"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-09-unusual-immune-cell-oral-thrush.html?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=MedicalXpress_TrendMD_1
« : August 25, 2018, 08:26:29 AM Muon »
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« #2 : August 25, 2018, 10:35:27 AM »

Two days ago I stopped antiobiotics after 2 weeks. Normal it’s for 3 weeks. I told my doctor by the way that I want to shorten the time of taking antiobiotics because in the 3th week I get Candida. But now I got Candida just after 1 week. I saw that because of the acne on my arms. Today I have joint pain. I don’t know is it because of the antiobiotics? Or is it from the Candida, that caused a bladder infection? So when I start another antibioitics cycle my Candida gets worse. And Candida causes bladder infection. So I don’t know what to do. Doing a few days nothing that probably will worsen my joint pain. But that’s the only option. In the mean time I eat 2 cloves of garlic every day. And drinking fermented milk and yoghurt. And I am on a pill with Pau d’ Arco, Grapefruit seed and Capryl acid.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #3 : August 25, 2018, 10:41:16 AM »

You say you got Candida but how do you know this?
« : August 25, 2018, 10:48:48 AM Muon »
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« #4 : August 25, 2018, 11:52:37 AM »

My POIS doctor said that I don’t have acne but candida. I didn’t do any other checks. But I am planning to go to the Dutch National Candida Centre.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #5 : August 25, 2018, 12:02:19 PM »

Vhat about prebskribtion probiotic vsl-3 after antibiotic use?

Dr-pois.
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« #6 : August 25, 2018, 12:11:09 PM »

I went to Kullberg who contributed to the first article I posted above but he couldn't do anything for me. They said it wasn't systemic candida, that has been ruled out. The parameters that were abnormal could be anything.

Where is this Dutch National Candida Centre located? I never heard of it.
« : August 25, 2018, 12:20:47 PM Muon »
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« #7 : August 25, 2018, 12:33:47 PM »

Vhat about prebskribtion probiotic vsl-3 after antibiotic use?
I already take a lot of probiotics.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #8 : August 25, 2018, 12:35:08 PM »

I went to Kullberg who contributed to the first article I posted above but he couldn't do anything for me. They said it wasn't systemic candida, that has been ruled out. The parameters that were abnormal could be anything.

Where is this Dutch National Candida Centre located? I never heard of it.
Too bad that doctor Kullberg couldn’t help you.

It is in Nijmegen at the Radboud Medical Centre.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #9 : August 25, 2018, 12:58:51 PM »

I think that after I took too much pure cbd oil the cbd also triggers candida. After taking cbd I get a form of POIS even without sexual activity. I get gery tired, feeling sick and get infection on tongue and troath.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #10 : August 25, 2018, 01:20:46 PM »

Ah you mean the candida expertise centre. Yes I went there. I saw the head of that department at that time, Kullberg. The problem is that they investigate invasive or systemic candida cases which I don't think that is the case in POIS. They will ask you the same question like I did before; how do you know have a (systemic) candida infection? I haven't heard a good argument yet. They probably will not measure your Th1/Th2/Th17 status, you may ask for it though and can show some data from this forum.

I don't think they can help you because they treat an entirely different kind of patient, patients who got their whole leg infected or have a persistent mouth infection which will not go away. They treat patients with very aggressive Candida infections. If you can't answer me about why you think you got candida then you can't answer them. And you cannot come up to them and tell them CBD triggered your candida, you will not be taken serious if you tell them this.
« : August 25, 2018, 02:15:50 PM Muon »
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« #11 : August 25, 2018, 01:38:36 PM »

Well, then maybe I have to go to a specialist at the local hospital first. What kind of specialist? Microbiology?

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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« #12 : August 25, 2018, 02:14:34 PM »

They told me to take cultures when another infection popped up, but that did not happen yet. That's a thing you don't know if it's candida in your case, it could be some obscure local inflammatory process. That's why I think you should test some parameters shown on this forum to find out. Perhaps what you proposed, a microbiologist would be something you could try. Maybe that specialist could take some cultures from your ejaculate or urine and investigate that. If you have results then I would go to places like Radboud as a next step.
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« #13 : August 25, 2018, 03:32:03 PM »

Vsl-3 is his strenth preksribtion probiotic, me olso took ordinry witouth eny benefit for now.

Dr-pois.
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« #14 : August 25, 2018, 05:22:15 PM »

They told me to take cultures when another infection popped up, but that did not happen yet. That's a thing you don't know if it's candida in your case, it could be some obscure local inflammatory process. That's why I think you should test some parameters shown on this forum to find out. Perhaps what you proposed, a microbiologist would be something you could try. Maybe that specialist could take some cultures from your ejaculate or urine and investigate that. If you have results then I would go to places like Radboud as a next step.
One guy had succes with prostaris that was caused by candida. He took Itraconazole and Terbinafine for 3 months.

My POIS doctor is willing to listen about candida but a lot of other doctors they don’t acknowledge candida as a disease. I will ask him what kind of specialist I should go.

Now I take probiotics, garlic and niacin for a few days. And I stopped antiobiotics since a few days. Today I feel nauseous, I feel cold and I have joint pain. I don’t know if this is a UTI. Or it’s Candida Hersheimer reaction (Candida Die off reaction)? So the question is should I go with the detox or should I take antibiotics if it’s UTI.

POIS since 2000. Very bad since 2008. I knew that I have POIS since June 2010. Desensitization since March 2011. I stopped with desens in July 2016. I have 50% less POIS. And only 1 day of POIS. Purified CBD works for me, but I am allergic for CBD.
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