Testosterone

[Prancer]

Glad to read you were able to resolve that, demografx, and continue the TRT. Happy Holidays!!

[Going less Crazy]

Demo and all others possibly using trt... Or just POIS sufferers.

I wonder if vitamin D supplementation could also help you.  Since it is known as a "steroid hormone" and calms the immune system while supposedly boosting testosterone (which also lowers immunity).

I was looking at my lab tests from 6 months ago and noticed a deficient vitamin D level ( it was 21 on a scale of 30-100 or something).  So I started D supplementation yesterday and had a lot of good energy... And my dreams last night were so vivid and alive like I haven't slept that good in a while... I hope it continues tonight.  My eyes did not have bags and looked really clear.

I also O'd 3 times today without problems, but that could also be from my diet.  I did not take claritin d or any supplements beforehand.  I will continue the vitamin D supplementation.  All I do is take 400 ius in the morning which is 1 measily pill.  Crazy it could have that much of an effect on me, but I am sensitive to certain vitamins and medications.  Wonder if it could also have an affect on my food sensitivities which involve the immune system.  ( I tried GF cheerios 2 days ago and immediately got mouth ulcers...this happens to me when I eat something I'm either allergic or sensitive to)

Wonder if anyone else had this experience with vitamin D.

* lol well I just looked and seems people discussed vitamin D before but whatever I'll leave this post.

[demografx]

...I wonder if vitamin D supplementation could also help you...

Thanks. I was put on vitamin D supplementation by my surgeon after my recent procedure. TRT is so powerful, I doubt I will see much of a difference. But I'm open to it.

[demografx]

Glad to read you were able to resolve that, demografx, and continue the TRT. Happy Holidays!!

Thanks, Prancer.

Happy Holidays to you and yours as well!

[Quantum]

Demo and all others possibly using trt... Or just POIS sufferers.

I wonder if vitamin D supplementation could also help you.  Since it is known as a "steroid hormone" and calms the immune system while supposedly boosting testosterone (which also lowers immunity).

I was looking at my lab tests from 6 months ago and noticed a deficient vitamin D level ( it was 21 on a scale of 30-100 or something).  So I started D supplementation yesterday and had a lot of good energy... And my dreams last night were so vivid and alive like I haven't slept that good in a while... I hope it continues tonight.  My eyes did not have bags and looked really clear.

I also O'd 3 times today without problems, but that could also be from my diet.  I did not take claritin d or any supplements beforehand.  I will continue the vitamin D supplementation.  All I do is take 400 ius in the morning which is 1 measily pill.  Crazy it could have that much of an effect on me, but I am sensitive to certain vitamins and medications.  Wonder if it could also have an affect on my food sensitivities which involve the immune system.  ( I tried GF cheerios 2 days ago and immediately got mouth ulcers...this happens to me when I eat something I'm either allergic or sensitive to)

Wonder if anyone else had this experience with vitamin D.

* lol well I just looked and seems people discussed vitamin D before but whatever I'll leave this post.

Hi GLC,

A few days ago, a new member, Username, have mentioned he had a positive effect from col liver oil, which is, among other thing, an excellent source of virtamin D  ( and also, of vitamin A).  You can read his post at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2086.msg17645#msg17645 .

I take vitamin D during winter.  I live in Canada, quite north, and days are very short in winter, and vitamin D is produced by getting sunlight directly on your skin.  We have only part of the face left to receive sunlight, when we go out skiing or playing in the snow.  Vit D helps me avoid the bad effects of vit D deficiency, on immunity, on bones, and on general health.  It may contributes to my overall control of POIS symptoms, but wasn't the main goal for taking it.

Traditionally , in Canada, people used to take cod liver oil in winter, and give CLO to their children, in order to stay healthy and avoid cold and flu.

[demografx]

Glad to read you were able to resolve that, demografx, and continue the TRT. Happy Holidays!!

Thanks, Prancer.

Happy Holidays to you and yours as well!

I just applied 2 patches to my arms -- feels good. Also nice to stare at 3 boxes' new supply!



Because Androderm is so expensive ($480/box*), for the last 7-8 years of my POIS treatment the insurance co-payment has always been a nervous, touch-and-go dark cloud!

I tried to elicit Watson Pharma's (Androderm mfr. - now Actavis Allergan) cooperation with a POIS-TRT clinical study but was not successful. Possibly because of the relatively small number of POISers worldwide -- compared to millions worldwide with hypogonadism (that's my official 'syndrome' to not rattle any medical establishment, i.e., hospitals, labs, insurance). Last thing I need is another conference call with the agenda: "POIS? What the hell is THAT???"




*Hopefully the new generic version that just came out will be cheaper. But for some mysterious insurance reason, I don't qualify.

[COLM_2]

Sounds like the generic version has come to your rescue or whatever gods there are, were smiling down on you.

Glad you're well Demo.

Colm

[demografx]

Thank you, Colm!!

[Going less Crazy]

I may have been exaggerating the effects of vitamin D for me.  It was simply not sustainable.  I felt anxiety after a couple days on it.  For some reason I am very sensitive to vitamins I don't know why.  Just one measily pill of vitamin D 400 ius was enough to mess with me after taking it a few days.  Even a little of vitamin c will mess with me.  I wonder why that is.

[Prancer]

Prancer since we have similar symptoms I wonder if vitamin D could help you... Look at my recent post in "testosterone"

So, I take vitamin D as part of my normal, daily vitamin supplementation (2,000 IU). For me, the effect on my symptoms is just "meh", if anything. It's an easy pill to take.
I continue taking it because it's a very important nutrient, but it has little to no effect on my POIS symptoms. Still a great suggestion though, thnx! Maybe others will benefit more than I am from it.

Did you get the mouth ulcers from eating chex too or just the cheerios? Were you allergic/food sensitive long before pois, or did this happen after as a result of pois? Thnx, just curious, and hope it's better fast. - Prancer

(Cheerios, I don't mess with those; those can drop a 900kg bison...saw it with my own eyes. I'm jk! lol) 3..2..1 Happy New Year!

[demografx]

3..2..1 Happy New


Year!

Thanks, Prancer!

[Ccconfucius]

Prancer since we have similar symptoms I wonder if vitamin D could help you... Look at my recent post in "testosterone"

So, I take vitamin D as part of my normal, daily vitamin supplementation (2,000 IU). For me, the effect on my symptoms is just "meh", if anything. It's an easy pill to take.
I continue taking it because it's a very important nutrient, but it has little to no effect on my POIS symptoms. Still a great suggestion though, thnx! Maybe others will benefit more than I am from it.

Did you get the mouth ulcers from eating chex too or just the cheerios? Were you allergic/food sensitive long before pois, or did this happen after as a result of pois? Thnx, just curious, and hope it's better fast. - Prancer

(Cheerios, I don't mess with those; those can drop a 900kg bison...saw it with my own eyes. I'm jk! lol) 3..2..1 Happy New Year!

Are you sure your supplementation is actually increasing your vitd levels. I used 2000iu for about a year but when i did my test i was still extremely deficient. I got prescription for vitd2 50000 ius per week and that brought me up to normal range within three months. Doctor put me back on 2000iu vitd3 every day again, i redid the test within 6months and my levels had dropped again. So now i just use vitd2.

[Prancer]

Are you sure your supplementation is actually increasing your vitd levels. I used 2000iu for about a year but when i did my test i was still extremely deficient. I got prescription for vitd2 50000 ius per week and that brought me up to normal range within three months. Doctor put me back on 2000iu vitd3 every day again, i redid the test within 6months and my levels had dropped again. So now i just use vitd2.

Hello CertainlyPOIS, so the direct answer to your question is "no", I don't know that for sure. It's something I'll think about though. I haven't had a vitamin D test recently, but it wasn't something I was extremely eager about for many reasons. Without going into all of them and making the post too long, in general it's because I'm just not convinced enough it will make much of a difference in my case. Could I still be D deficient? Yes, but even then I don't expect to have any overall POIS symptom relief. But I might not be deficient in the first place. Also, the testing for vitamin D isn't really necessary for most people (I know as POISers, we might not be "most people") [the source at bottom]. POIS itself might cause our levels to fall, rather than being the result of a low level, and taking vitamin D might be beneficial. The situation is complex, and not black & white, but I will definitely keep your situation/note in mind and possibly put a deeper focus into it. Thanks!!

Again, we probably don't fit into the "most people" category as POISers, but here is the link I mentioned earlier:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-testing-recommended-people-201411267547

[joelawerence]

Hi guys, I am a newbie here although have been a silent spectator here for over an year. I am 30 years old, live in the UK and have been suffering from POIS for the past 8 years or so.

It is good to be able to put a name to the suffering we are going through, although the medical world is yet to come to acknowledge it.

I strongly believe that POIS is caused by a massive drop in testosterone level after orgasm. I had a blood profile test on day 2 of POIS which included checking my testosterone level and my testosterone level were way too low even for someone double my age. My testosterone count was 3.0 where the normal range should be within 7.6 - 31.4, no wonder I feel like crap during POIS. The 7.6 end of the range is for old men, so 3.0 is too low even for an old man let alone a 30 year old.

This may or may not have to do anything with the vagus nerve as suggested by the Rutgers study. But from my research it suggests that vagus nerve helps control the level of testosterone. The following website although not a medical website suggests: ?The vagus nerve is important for releasing testosterone.  If it?s not working well, it could be a reason for low testosterone?
Link: http://selfhacked.com/2015/07/30/28-ways-to-stimulate-your-vagus-nerve-and-all-you-need-to-know-about-it/

So it could be the case that we have a weak vagus nerve and so the testosterone is decreased way too much than for a normal person.

I would suggest that you guys also measure your testosterone levels on day 2 or so of your POIS, it would be a great way to find if this is a common theme. I know that Demografix has already benefited from TRT for his POIS.

[G-man]

Hi guys, I am a newbie here although have been a silent spectator here for over an year. I am 30 years old, live in the UK and have been suffering from POIS for the past 8 years or so.

It is good to be able to put a name to the suffering we are going through, although the medical world is yet to come to acknowledge it.

I strongly believe that POIS is caused by a massive drop in testosterone level after orgasm. I had a blood profile test on day 2 of POIS which included checking my testosterone level and my testosterone level were way too low even for someone double my age. My testosterone count was 3.0 where the normal range should be within 7.6 - 31.4, no wonder I feel like crap during POIS. The 7.6 end of the range is for old men, so 3.0 is too low even for an old man let alone a 30 year old.

This may or may not have to do anything with the vagus nerve as suggested by the Rutgers study. But from my research it suggests that vagus nerve helps control the level of testosterone. The following website although not a medical website suggests: ?The vagus nerve is important for releasing testosterone.  If it?s not working well, it could be a reason for low testosterone?
Link: http://selfhacked.com/2015/07/30/28-ways-to-stimulate-your-vagus-nerve-and-all-you-need-to-know-about-it/

So it could be the case that we have a weak vagus nerve and so the testosterone is decreased way too much than for a normal person.

I would suggest that you guys also measure your testosterone levels on day 2 or so of your POIS, it would be a great way to find if this is a common theme. I know that Demografix has already benefited from TRT for his POIS.

Have you had your testosterone measured when you were symptom free? For me personally, my testosterone level was that of an old man while in the POIS state and it was even lower than that when symptom free.

[joelawerence]

That?s interesting. For me, it was at the lower end of normal when not in POIS (8.1). When I took this reading I was relatively POIS free at one week after ejaculation. I have not managed to avoid ejaculation for more than a week or 10 days. It would be interesting to see if an extended abstinence will affect the reading in any way.
 
My guess is that we POISers already have reduced testosterone due to years of POIS, and ejaculation gets it even lower making us feel crap. I have never been totally POIS free for the last 4 or 5 years because as I said I have never staying away from ejaculation for more than a week or so.

When you did your POIS free reading, how many days passed since your ejaculation and were you totally POIS free symptomatically?

[demografx]

You are a firm believer, just like my sexual research advisor, Dr Petr Weiss from the Czech Republic. He told me testosterone was the key to my POIS. I thought he was crazy but now I believe him

[demografx]

petr.weiss@vfn.cz

Edit: I haven't spoken to him in years, I just found this @ http://www.sexuologickaspolecnost.cz/kontakt

vedecký sekretár:
Prof. PhDr. Petr Weiss, Ph.D.
Psychiatrická klinika 1.LF UK a VFN
Ke Karlovu 11, 12801 Praha 2
tel: 224-965344,5
raboch@cesnet.cz

[G-man]

I had my total testosterone checked about five hours post O, and it came back low at 320. I had the same test done when I was symptom free eleven days post O, and it was even lower at 260. What this all means, I am not sure yet.

I couldn't find the results for the symptom free test, then I realized I posted it a while back

[joelawerence]

You are a firm believer, just like my sexual research advisor, Dr Petr Weiss from the Czech Republic. He told me testosterone was the key to my POIS. I thought he was crazy but now I believe him

Hi Demografx, good to know that there are some researchers who believe in that as well. In your experience in this forum or elsewhere, do you know of any POISer who has had high testosterone measured or atleast in the mid-range? I know a few here have reported low testosterone, so want to know if there are any exceptions.

I suppose testosterone cause most of the symptoms we have, but the actual cause of lowered testosterone could be something else like the vagus nerve not functioning properly or high prolactin being produced by the body post-ejaculation. Hope the Rutgers research team look into the testosterone levels as well and find the root cause for it if it is low than control subjects.