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Re: The Taurine laboratory
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 10:12:08 PM »
I just ordered 250 1000mg capsules today. I sure hope this taurine thing works. I've found a lot of benefit from energy drinks, so I'm hopeful.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2015, 02:30:59 AM »
Yes it's a good hope. I wish you the best improvement. It would be nice if a group of Poisers have success with taurine. Like niacine group.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 09:01:00 PM »
How does taurine work on cognitive/emotional symptoms during POIS?
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2015, 04:05:08 AM »
Day 2 on Taurine/POIS. Took three 1g capsules today, (Taurine is not known to have any negative effects at these levels) and felt much better than usual. Emotionally and cognitively, I felt better than I usually do, though I couldn't socialize as well as I do off POIS. I personally get a bit of restless leg feeling on POIS, but that was significantly better. Though I usually feel cold all the time on POIS, this was significantly reduced for a few hours after taking the taurine.
I think Taurine works best on the physical symptoms of POIS, as opposed to the emotional and cognitive ones.

I'll follow up on this after my POIS ends. For now, I would recommend taurine for others.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2015, 03:25:27 PM »
I believe POIS is all interconnected in the body, physical and cognitive caused by the same reaction.  So if you feel better in one way you probably are feeling better in the other.  Anyways, I ordered some taurine and its supposed to come in 12 days.  I'll update on my trials.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2015, 04:01:46 AM »
It's hard to say how taurine work. It's not a 100% cure. The night following ejaculation I still have some small insomnias. The serotonin and serotonin family's hormones in semen might be the cause.

Anyway, I saw a huge difference with and without taurine. I didn't increase the dose of 500mg but I took it every day since several months.

I really wonder if I'm deficient in taurine from my birth. (?!?)
There are few documents about taurine deficiency or deficiency of enzymes linked to its synthesis. I have ask to a doctor but it's a not a very well studied subject.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2015, 05:28:31 AM »
b jim, from what I understand and read previously if I remember you have mainly physical symptoms right.  For now, I can almost be certain my POIS is a brain allergy to one of the hormones released upon orgasm, just by the severe nature of my POIS and to be honest I don't know what else would cause such a horrible feeling.  Brain inflammation at site of orgasm, elimination with antihistamines blah blah blah.  I was just wondering because I really how it will affect a mainly cognitive POIS.

Also b jim,  all you've been taking is taurine to stop POIS or are you taking that along with another POIS regimen (niacin, etc.)?

And scary sheep from right now I understand you took taurine during POIS and not before?  Just curious. 

*I'm also excited because the right amount of taurine is supposed to help calm inflammation, help you sleep, help you recover from exercise, better brain function, raise testosterone and provide somewhat of a stress-relieving action.  I also read deep into one site where it said taurine interferes with the inflammatory pathway and can reduce histamine levels, but we'll see in my case.

Than again I've taken many supplements that weren't "right" for me but anything is worth a try against the level 50 POIS Boss.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2015, 05:54:36 AM by Going less Crazy »
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 05:02:49 AM »
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b jim, from what I understand and read previously if I remember you have mainly physical symptoms right.
I have both. Mental confusion, muscle weakness...

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For now, I can almost be certain my POIS is a brain allergy to one of the hormones released upon orgasm, just by the severe nature of my POIS and to be honest I don't know what else would cause such a horrible feeling.  Brain inflammation at site of orgasm, elimination with antihistamines blah blah blah.  I was just wondering because I really how it will affect a mainly cognitive POIS.
I don't follow this schema anymore. It's more easy with taurine. After ejaculation, we "regenerate" something (semen? hormones?) and this something is linked to taurine.

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Also b jim,  all you've been taking is taurine to stop POIS or are you taking that along with another POIS regimen (niacin, etc.)?
Taurine and magnesium + low sugar diet. But i'm less sensible to sugar with taurine.

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And scary sheep from right now I understand you took taurine during POIS and not before?  Just curious. 
It doen'st make any difference. It's a cure in time. I took 500mg each morning. But if i took it evening, before or after O, it's the same thing. Taurine is stocked.

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*I'm also excited because the right amount of taurine is supposed to help calm inflammation, help you sleep, help you recover from exercise, better brain function, raise testosterone and provide somewhat of a stress-relieving action.  I also read deep into one site where it said taurine interferes with the inflammatory pathway and can reduce histamine levels, but we'll see in my case.
Maybe but maybe not. Maybe there is no inflammation and no allergy. Just metabolsim.


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Than again I've taken many supplements that weren't "right" for me but anything is worth a try against the level 50 POIS Boss.
Me too. I have tested dizains of supplmenents including niacine. Taurine is my number 1 and magnesuim the number 2.
Glutamine, nicaine, curcumine, astaxhantine, aginine, enzymes, coconut oil and other oils, st john 's wort, anti-hista, vitamin B5 in mega-dose, harpagophytum and other plants, paracetamol/ibuprofen.... and lot of others i forgot  have no or very few effects on my Pois.

I don't recommand somebody to buy energy drinks. And you can start taurine cure without supplement. During 2 weeks, you eat lot of fish or seafoods (salmon, maquerels, mussles, pecten maximum " coquille Saint-Jacques"...).
This food is excellent, natural and it's a good way to reload taurine.



« Last Edit: January 31, 2015, 05:19:27 AM by b_jim »
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Re: The Taurine laboratory
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 08:10:18 AM »
I've been taking the taurine during POIS for the last few days. I can say for sure it helps, for me to relieve the weakness. in all my muscles. One strange thing did happen today. I woke up this morning and all my back, leg and neck muscles ached like crazy. I don't know if this was related, but I like to take note of everything.

As a side note, reading up on energy drinks and taurine content, Wikipedia says that the amount (1000mg) contained in the average energy drink has not been proven to have positive or negative effects on the body. This is why I take 3000mg, triple the amount in an energy drink. From what I've read, heart patients are frequently given 6-7g daily without side effects, so since  I'm at about half of that, I know I'm taking a safe amount.

Also, I read that the human body is about %0.01 Taurine, which adds up to just over 7g in a 160lb person. Mostly irrelevant, but I wanted to do the math, so there it is.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2015, 07:52:01 AM »
This website explains very well he properties of  taurine:

http://examine.com/supplements/Taurine/

very useful also for understending the effectiveness of any other supplement

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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2015, 12:40:08 PM »
This website explains very well he properties of  taurine:

http://examine.com/supplements/Taurine/

very useful also for understending the effectiveness of any other supplement

Thanks for the link, Poisioq , didn't know about this site, and it seems to be well documented, about many supplements.


And Thanks to jim_b for his good work about taurine - your structured way in experimenting with it is an example in how to really discern what a given supplement can do.  Although I do not have muscular problems, I am glad taurine works great for these symptoms. I may try it anyway, in particular post-exercise context.

You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2015, 09:38:38 PM »
Well I received my Taurine supplement early and today begins my own taurine experiment.  I can say my POIS is all cognitive/emotional, I don't have physical symptoms just mental confusion, brain fog, pain, and a severe craving for relief (all mental).  I had a pretty bad nights sleep from taking different medication last night that actually hurt my sleep, so today I wasn't in the best mood. This morning I took a pill of 500 mg taurine just as b_jim has tried.  No immediate positive or negative affect on my bad mood from lack of sleep.  If anything it would be slightly positive.  Again this is just after the first pill and I will be trying it every morning.  I could use the benefit of added weight and increased testosterone as I am a slightly skinny POISer.  I will update after continuing the daily 500 mg taurine supplement.  So no immediate effect as of yet but it is only the first pill.  Will update when I actually have real results.
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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2015, 01:38:57 AM »
Well I received my Taurine supplement early and today begins my own taurine experiment.  I can say my POIS is all cognitive/emotional, I don't have physical symptoms just mental confusion, brain fog, pain, and a severe craving for relief (all mental).  I had a pretty bad nights sleep from taking different medication last night that actually hurt my sleep, so today I wasn't in the best mood. This morning I took a pill of 500 mg taurine just as b_jim has tried.  No immediate positive or negative affect on my bad mood from lack of sleep.  If anything it would be slightly positive.  Again this is just after the first pill and I will be trying it every morning.  I could use the benefit of added weight and increased testosterone as I am a slightly skinny POISer.  I will update after continuing the daily 500 mg taurine supplement.  So no immediate effect as of yet but it is only the first pill.  Will update when I actually have real results.

Very nice! Plz tell us how the taurine suppy works for you; I'm very interested in hearing if it helps, thanks.

It's worth trying it out to potentially weaken or defeat the epic LVL-90 POIS Boss (at least until a possible cure is discovered).   


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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2015, 10:54:51 AM »
I wish you the best. My improvement was very quick (1 week).
2 ejaculations yesterday .... and I feel good.

Thanks for link.
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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2015, 11:57:31 PM »
Second day on taurine.  Honestly I don't think it is helping me that much and my sleep is affected negatively to a degree.  I feel slightly anxious a lot of the time on it.  I don't think this is really that helpful to my type of POIS which is all mental.  I really don't think I will be trying it anymore as I really can't sleep while on it and during the day I feel anxious.  Also my skin is greasy from it.  I am also taking currently a half pill of vitamin b complex as well as a half pill of calcium, magnesium and zinc and a little bit of vitamin c(enough so it doesn't effect my sleep).  But I really believe taurine has been the cause for my insomnia, even though it is not supposed to keep you up, this is just my reaction to it.  I have been sleeping fine without the taurine and with just the b complex and calcium, magnesium and zinc half pills and a little bit of vitamin c.  This is another indication that we all don't have the same exact things wrong with us in accordance to POIS.  B_jim as your pois is mostly physical and some mental confusion, mine is all mental and I do not just have confusion but feel a deep craving for relief mentally as if I am stressed to the highest degree in addition to confusion and brain fog and just feeling utterly like hell mentally until the POIS feeling is over.  Is your mental feeling just mental confusion b_jim? because mine is a heck of a lot worse than that to where I cannot function at all.

Just because it didn't work for me doesn't make it not suitable for others to try.  And I also realize that I only took it for 2 days and should continue for the week but I really really cannot not have a good nights sleep because I will end up missing class and cannot take that risk.  I also did not test it with in accordance with an ejaculation, who knows it might be helpful that way.  But I am happy for you and glad you found something and good luck to your continued success.  For now I think I will have to give up on the taurine treatment.  Good luck to others.
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2015, 03:40:38 AM »
That's an evidence than you can have a normal life after 20 years of Pois and then I suffer of a generalized anxiety too. But now my Pois is very reduced and my anxiety start to reduce too. When my life will be 100% normal, anxiety will stop.
Mental confusion is (was) my strongest symptoms and it started immediately after my Pois beggining. But I have insomnia day 0. There is serotonin in semen. No need to search more. If you have a anxious behaviour, your normal level of sertonin is low and then ejaculation increase the deficiency. Post-coital tristesse.  
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2015, 12:51:02 PM »
Second day on taurine.  Honestly I don't think it is helping me that much and my sleep is affected negatively to a degree.  I feel slightly anxious a lot of the time on it.  I don't think this is really that helpful to my type of POIS which is all mental.  I really don't think I will be trying it anymore as I really can't sleep while on it and during the day I feel anxious.  Also my skin is greasy from it.  I am also taking currently a half pill of vitamin b complex as well as a half pill of calcium, magnesium and zinc and a little bit of vitamin c(enough so it doesn't effect my sleep).  But I really believe taurine has been the cause for my insomnia, even though it is not supposed to keep you up, this is just my reaction to it.  I have been sleeping fine without the taurine and with just the b complex and calcium, magnesium and zinc half pills and a little bit of vitamin c.  This is another indication that we all don't have the same exact things wrong with us in accordance to POIS.  B_jim as your pois is mostly physical and some mental confusion, mine is all mental and I do not just have confusion but feel a deep craving for relief mentally as if I am stressed to the highest degree in addition to confusion and brain fog and just feeling utterly like hell mentally until the POIS feeling is over.  Is your mental feeling just mental confusion b_jim? because mine is a heck of a lot worse than that to where I cannot function at all.

Just because it didn't work for me doesn't make it not suitable for others to try.  And I also realize that I only took it for 2 days and should continue for the week but I really really cannot not have a good nights sleep because I will end up missing class and cannot take that risk.  I also did not test it with in accordance with an ejaculation, who knows it might be helpful that way.  But I am happy for you and glad you found something and good luck to your continued success.  For now I think I will have to give up on the taurine treatment.  Good luck to others.

Taurine makes up such a large amount of our body that I'm not convinced 500mg will make much difference in anybody. Have you considered upping your dosage to 1000mg daily or more. (1000mg is standard for 1 energy drink). Taurine is actually commonly taken for it's anti-anxiety effects and can actually help maintain mental processes in sleep-deprived situations. Here is a well-cited article discussing these benefits: http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/782/Ten_Benefits_of_Taurine.aspx

Best of luck, and stay strong!
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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2015, 05:49:28 PM »
Yeah @GoingLessCrazy, sorry to hear about your bad taurine experience. I notice that supplements don't help me very much, including taurine. I've tried many different supplements and have found very little benefit. The only real things that help me are sleep, time, no orgasm, mental organization. However, drinking a red bull does seem to help, but I don't think it's the taurine in my case. I think it's the caffeine since other types of drinks with caffeine also help a bit. The downside is that it can give me insomnia so I don't use it often. So for me, a red bull only when I really need to focus on something. It's okay that the taurine didn't help you. There are plenty of other things to try. Everything will be okay.

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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2015, 11:49:20 PM »
Second day on taurine.  Honestly I don't think it is helping me that much and my sleep is affected negatively to a degree.  I feel slightly anxious a lot of the time on it.  I don't think this is really that helpful to my type of POIS which is all mental.  I really don't think I will be trying it anymore as I really can't sleep while on it and during the day I feel anxious.  Also my skin is greasy from it.  I am also taking currently a half pill of vitamin b complex as well as a half pill of calcium, magnesium and zinc and a little bit of vitamin c(enough so it doesn't effect my sleep).  But I really believe taurine has been the cause for my insomnia, even though it is not supposed to keep you up, this is just my reaction to it.  I have been sleeping fine without the taurine and with just the b complex and calcium, magnesium and zinc half pills and a little bit of vitamin c.  This is another indication that we all don't have the same exact things wrong with us in accordance to POIS.  B_jim as your pois is mostly physical and some mental confusion, mine is all mental and I do not just have confusion but feel a deep craving for relief mentally as if I am stressed to the highest degree in addition to confusion and brain fog and just feeling utterly like hell mentally until the POIS feeling is over.  Is your mental feeling just mental confusion b_jim? because mine is a heck of a lot worse than that to where I cannot function at all.

Just because it didn't work for me doesn't make it not suitable for others to try.  And I also realize that I only took it for 2 days and should continue for the week but I really really cannot not have a good nights sleep because I will end up missing class and cannot take that risk.  I also did not test it with in accordance with an ejaculation, who knows it might be helpful that way.  But I am happy for you and glad you found something and good luck to your continued success.  For now I think I will have to give up on the taurine treatment.  Good luck to others.

Taurine makes up such a large amount of our body that I'm not convinced 500mg will make much difference in anybody. Have you considered upping your dosage to 1000mg daily or more. (1000mg is standard for 1 energy drink). Taurine is actually commonly taken for it's anti-anxiety effects and can actually help maintain mental processes in sleep-deprived situations. Here is a well-cited article discussing these benefits: http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/782/Ten_Benefits_of_Taurine.aspx

Best of luck, and stay strong!

I have quite a history of extreme sensitivity to certain medications.  A little amount can really set me off.  Just recently I had to give up on the vitamin b complex as well.  It was working well for a week and than it started bringing about some insomnia.  I also did reduce it to half a pill than quarter of a pill etcetera.  Still felt it.  I think I will stick to the minimum amount of vitamin c in the morning and possibly calcium magnesium at night.  Their is a slight possibility the vitamin b + taurine was making me feel worse than just taurine but I seriously doubt it.

As Prancer said the best treatment is sleep, time, no orgasm (for me planned "O" once a week), and just general maintenance of POIS.  My body seems to reject daily treatments so I will likely have to treat myself only for the day of the planned "O".

Just recently I introduced niacin to my pre-O routine and it seems to work greatly.. niacin flush followed by OLE and Benadryl.
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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2015, 09:41:41 AM »
Re-started my taurine lab rat exp again today - whoa, what a difference this makes!

I've been taking 0.5g in around 200mL water. I took the first glass, small but noticable effect. After 2x more this morning, felt a bit more "here", a little bit of depression lifted and muscles felt less wired up and tense.

I went out and packed around 1.2g in a small ziplock bag, when I emptied the bag into a water bottle I kinda spilled half the powder all over myself in public. That was a bit embarrasing! More over, it was around 0.6g dissolved in 500-600mL, after drinking that I really didn't feel much effect on my general POIS symptoms (Pain/depression/distant/scared/stiffness/blankness/etc).

Got more and more depressed as the day progressed, it was a really rough day. When I returned home I drank another 0.6g in 200mL small glass of water with my 300mg B6 and 1000mcg Biotin (regular pyroluria vitamins). Wow, what a difference that makes. I just wrote out everything I need to do tomorrow, its like I have it all worked out.

You know, normally I wouldn't be here typing all this. I'd be lurking and battling my symptoms in solitude.

The last time I remember feeling like this was when I ate macdonalds twice a day every day for a month (only mcdouble and filet-o-fish burgers w/ OJ). And sushi train every second night. That was six years ago. Was it a high taurine diet?

Thanks b_jim. How is your job going? Is the taurine still helping you being productive and constructive in the garden?
To me, going to work is one of the hardest things to do when suffering from POIS. My POIS is worst on days 3-4 but I have terrible general symptoms possibly due to combination of POIS and zinc/b6 defficiency (pyroluria).

Hi 5 to all those going to work on POIS. To those who can't work, I totally understand, this illness is debilitating and disabling. Try a few 100mg of taurine powder dissolved in a small glass of water, repeat every 15 mins until you find your effective dose.

Peace